While We Were Yet Sinners- Part 2

Watchman Dean
Dean(c)2018

I've given this much prayer and contemplation. It was asked how I came about
this revelation. I can tell you the moment it started. It began when I questioned
the doctrine that babies die because they are born sinners. That didn't sit right
with me. In fact scripture says "where there is no law sin is not imputed."

Christians teach that Christ died to "pay the penalty" (the wages) of sin. So why
do Christians die after believing. Shouldn't they be immortal from that day
forward, being their sins are no longer imputed?

Furthermore, all we would have to do is destroy the law. Get rid of it and sin is
no longer imputed. But you cannot "unring the bell." The bell of the law has rung
and it cannot be unrung.

So, Christians say that babies die because they are sinners (even though sin is
not imputed because they as yet have no law).

Christians have a myriad of doctrinal explanations for how this makes sense
(even though it absolutely can never make sense that God considers someone a
sinner and sends death their way even though "sin is not imputed" to them,
especially when the reason Christians say they will live forever is because their
sin is no longer imputed).

What settled it for me was that the animals die. Animals have no sin. They are
without guile. Even if you could find sin in an animal, again it's not imputed for
they cannot comprehend law. They can comprehend boundaries, and rules, and
can be trained against certain behaviors, but they do not comprehend the stakes,
that there is a God who is a demanding God and who will not allow them to
continue unless they obey him. That is far beyond them.

When I took the question to the clergy the answer I received was just a man
made philosophy that, to me, sounded almost gnostic. I was told that when man
sinned the "curse" extended to all the animal kingdom. In other words, death
didn't just pass to Adam's children because of his sin but to the animals and
animals die because of Adam's sin too.

This answer was not acceptable. It can be found nowhere in scripture nor the
New Testament.

When I pressed them for the scripture proofs the response was always they
same, they ended the conversation and told me that I would understand it all
some day.

There is no scripture that says that the animals were meant to live forever and
only started dying and eating each other because of Adam's sin. It's utterly
preposterous. Any biologist will tell you that tigers and lions and other meat
eaters have always eaten meat. They will also tell you how many years it would
take for the earth to overpopulate with animals if there was no death.

It is obvious that death is a part of life in the animal kingdom. In fact, wildlife
managers count on death to keep the populations from becoming unsustainable.
Great misery befalls the animals when this happens. It's a fable and a fantasy
that the earth was somehow "corrupted with death and decay" just because of
one man's disobedience to God.

Death and decay is a part of the natural order of things. The earth was designed
with it as a integral part. Anyone who has actually studied the earth even a little
will quickly reach that conclusion.

So, either God created a new earth immediately after Adam sinned, an earth that
was completely designed differently than the one Adam lived in before, or death
existed before Adam sinned.

Consider this, if death didn't exist before Adam sinned, how could he
comprehend death?

If Adam had never seen anything die, how would he ever know what it meant
when God said "in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die?" At best he
would have said "I don't know what that is, but it doesn't sound good."

This was the turning point for me on the journey to this revelation.

Death is Adam's wage for sin. Death came on all men just like it did on Adam,
when they sin. It might not get you right away, (Adam lived almost another 1000
years) but death will come to you if you are a sinner.

"The soul that sinneth it shall die." (Ezekiel 18)

Yet, Adam rolled the dice when he sinned and wagered his own life and the life of
his children. They all had immortality before then, having access to the tree of
life which could heal all manner of diseases and repair all manner of injury and
grant them to live forever. Adam gambled that for a piece of fruit and he lost, and
as a result, people die just like animals.

In Ecclesiastes it says it all:

Chapter 3:

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might
manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For
that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth
them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that
a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one
place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

People die now because man no longer has access to the tree of life. It's just
how it is. Even if you stop sinning and never sin again... you are going to die
eventually. Nearly 2000 years of Christianity is our proof of this (assuming you
believe that your sins are no longer counted and are covered by the blood). You
die because you are an human being and human beings, like animals, die.

It wasn't always that way and it shall not remain that way. For there comes a day
when those who conquer their sin will be "changed" and given immortal
incorruptible bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be
changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall
sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on
immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall
have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus
Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always

abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not
in vain in the Lord.
Our "labor" (to cease from sin and walk as Christ) is "not in vain" for we know that
we have a prize awaiting us at the end of our life, or when the Lord returns
(whichever comes first). Is this "salvation by works?" Absolutely not, for we only
reach that prize because Christ died for us, and he died for us "while we were yet
sinners."

There's no room to brag if you become exactly like Christ, for you did so by dying
of self and letting him take over and manage your affairs. There's no danger of
this.

So those who conclude they "cannot stop sinning" or they cancel out grace are
those of which Paul spoke...

Romans 6:

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was
raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk
in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be
also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might
be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

We are free from sin, but that doesn't mean we won't die in this physical body.
(We might not die, for not all shall sleep). But one thing we know, we shall all (all
believers) be changed into immortal creatures and death will be swallowed in
sweet victory all we have to do is "labor" not in vain.

So, while it is true that people who sin will die, it is not true that if someone dies it
means he's a sinner.

That is fallacy in logic akin to saying that since people who drink poison die,
therefore everyone who dies must have drank poison.

See you there, or in the air.

Watchman Dean

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