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Some of you might recall that I went after NUR when he was hammering you Baha'is
some time ago. I subsequently got into a dialogue with him in email, at first
heated, and realized that what he is saying about some of you Baha'is might
actually be true after all. I came to this realization by watching your behavior
with other people once NUR left. I still remain to be convinced about everything
he says, but the utter malice and hatred that emanates out your message here
caught my eye so I decided to respond.
NUR is more a Sufi than many of you could ever realize. He is certainly no fluff
and love wimp, if that is your idea of Sufis and Sufism. But he certainly isn't
the deranged fundamentalist that you definitely are. Consider that he is "a fire
to his enemies and a river of life eternal to his loved ones" to quote
Baha'u'llah, and that is definitely a Sufi in the best tradition of a Bayazid or
Sahl Tustari. He certainly has proven that to me.
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You may be all kinds of anything
by Yazdgerd (not verified) on Fri May 15, 2009 10:11 PM PDT
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About Israfil
by NUR on Thu May 07, 2009 08:43 PM PDT
http://badivillarcardenas.blogspot.com/
Cyber-Criminal and Baha'i Terrorist Badi Villar
In his various capacities in the Peruvian Haifan Baha'i community, Badi Villar
Cardenas serves as consultant to several Haifan Baha'i owned agribusiness
contractors in the Amazon, one of which is owned by Costa Rica (cosa nostra)
based Iranian Baha'i Hozhabr Yazdani. These are (Haifan Baha'i) companies who
are responsible for logging and destruction of the Amazon rainforests and
contributing to the genocide against the native Amerindian peoples living along
the river -- monies which they then send to their cult headquarters in Haifa,
occupied Palestine. As such Badi Villar Cardenas is an accomplice in the war and
genocide against the indigenous Quechua peoples and, along with his Baha'i cosa
nostra masters, a war criminal who should be hauled before a human rights
commission at the Hague
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The Ayahuasca does not cure the narcissism
by Israfil (not verified) on Thu May 07, 2009 01:39 PM PDT
Nima regards himself as superior to just about everyone. He's a better scholar
than anyone else, even though he never finished his degree, nor has he published
in academic journals. He certainly regards himself as spiritually superior to
everyone else, at times even making claims to divine status. But he has never
managed to accomplish anything; as far as I know, he's being financially
supported by his parents and doesn't even have a job. That's one reason he has
so much time to post on trb.
2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love
Nima certainly regards himself as powerful, even claiming credit for unfortunate
events that happen to his enemies.
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood
by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or
institutions)
Certainly true -- although he doesn't so much associate himself with "special"
people; he just makes claims that anyone he associates with is special in some
way.
(4) requires excessive admiration
He certainly needs a lot of attention.
5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially
favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Nima gets very angry if people don't do things his way, or disagree with him at
all -- that's the main reason he broke with his Baha'i liberal friends, starting
with Juan Cole.
6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve
his or her own ends
For Nima, people only exist to serve his needs; if they fail to do that, then
they are dropped and denounced. I've seen that happen over and over again.
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and
needs of others
Nima is one of the most vicious people I have ever known; he has no sympathy for
anyone's feelings at all. He uses his friends, and sets out to deliberately
destroy his enemies without mercy.
8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
I haven't noticed Nima being envious, but he certainly believes that others are
obsessed with him. This kind of paranoia is very characteristic of a narcissist.
After all, only a very important person would be persecuted by so many people.
This is one reason why I recommend that Nima be completely ignored. Any kind of
attention, whether positive or negative, only reinforces his belief in his own
importance.
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Nima is extremely arrogant, as I'm sure all you know.
Some other common characteristics of narcissists, that don't appear on the
diagnostic are:
a) They lie -- constantly and blatantly, and with full knowledge of what they
are doing. They are so arrogant that they expect they will be believed, no
matter how outrageous the falsehood. I think Nima knows exactly what he is
doing; he's not "crazy" in the sense that he cannot tell the difference between
fantasy and reality. He deliberately lies.
b) The narcissists thrives on chaos; they're always in the middle of a fight.
One reason that Nima broke with other Baha'i dissidents is because he wanted a
more intense "war" than they were willing to engage in. Things were starting to
calm down, compared to the late '90s. Nima needs the excitement of conflict.
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This is very interesting. I
by PT (not verified) on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
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double post
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:41 PM PDT
delete
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Oh and one more small thing
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:29 PM PDT
Thought you might be interested in these.
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-roxy-roshan/sufism-some-things-are-sacred
http://www.iranian.com/main/news/2009/02/24/iranian-authorities-destroy-sufi-holy-
site-isfahan
They're not informative for you. Just thought you'd like to see that they were
posted here. But bear in mind that the only place onsite where I can write at
full capacity of the level of my discourse is on the political threads (and then
only if I keep very strictly within the boundaries of syllogistic argumentation
and don't bring in any other fields whatsoever). When I write things that aren't
political, I write them with the general reader in mind. And the general reader
of this site is...well...general...
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Nur, it's going to take me quite a bit of time to process PS
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:04 PM PDT
all this, especially with the links, which seem to be extremely important. But
honestly I can't think of a more pleasant way of spending Easter Sunday. Just
please don't give me any more information, not even poems. This is more than
enough to chew on for one day.
I'd also make a little suggestion, at risk of bringing up the bugerboo, but I
think it would be a good idea if you removed the little statement about
deletions at the bottom of your post. Along with the numbering. You don't need
to number your posts for yourself, do you? As regards the statement itself, I
think if you let it go you'd feel safer here, and really you are safe here.
Jahanshah won't delete you. He won't. Trust me. So why keep having to look at
that thing and number things, which will only reinforce in your mind the idea
that he will persecute you when he won't?
And I also think it would be a good way for you to have a smoother dynamic with
the publisher. Even though he won't delete you, you should be aware that he
announced recently that unlike the usual, when he works with a moderation team,
he's doing all the moderation himself. TEMPORARILY. This means that he combsall
the threads to make sure there's nothing blatantly offensive to delete. (His
standards are quite liberal, as witnessed by his non-deletion of posts on your
recent threads, but from time to time deletion is necessary).
Now, given the terrible way you two get along, and the history you have
together, if I were Jahanshah and I were combing the threads, and I saw that
statement at the bottom of all your posts, it would irritate me. It really
would.
And frankly the two of you irritate each other enough already without adding
fuel to the fire. :op
Oh yeah and ps, don't think you have to supply me with any more information,
opinions and/or history regarding Jahanshah. You don't.
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Theosophia,
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT
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Thanks
by NUR on Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:29 PM PDT
For my true, underlying religion, let me quote one of my favourite poems by the
Andalusian Sufi master Ibn 'Arabi:
Wonder,
A Garden amongst the flames!
My heart is capable of taking on any form
A meadow for gazelles
For the idols sacred ground
A cloister for monks
The pilgrim's Ka'aba
The tablets of the Torah
The scrolls of the Qur'an!
My religion is love
And wherever its caravan turns along the way
That is my creed, my belief, my faith!
That said, for purposes of taxonomy you can call me also a Fatimi, i.e. an
Islamo-Bayani completely devoted to the People of the House (ahl al-bayt) and
their esoteric teachings. Withal, 'irfan is 'irfan whatever its outward forms
and trappings, and in its specifically Iranian Shi'ite setting its fundamental
reality on many levels is the same whether you be a Sufi, a non-Sufi Shi'a 'arif
(gnostic) or a Bayani. I am, however, besides a confessed Bayani also an
initiated Sufi in the Qadiri-Safialishahi sub-branch of the Ni'matullahi Sufi
Order (this is a branch not associated with Javad or Alireza Nurbakhsh) and in
it I bear the tariqati name of Vahdatalishah (meaning, the King of the Unity of
'Ali/the High). Given my initiatic name, you can see why I can walk in the
singular but outwardly diverse streams of Iranian Shi'ite gnosis ('irfan) with
some ease simultaneously as a Sufi and a Bayani - or, rather, a Fatimi!
There is presently no recognized Mirror (mirat) or head of the Bayani community.
Subh-i-Azal had initially nominally appointed Hajji Mirza Muhammad Hadi
Dawlatabadi to succeed him, but the latter died just a few short years before
Subh-i-Azal's own ascension in 1912. Presently the leadership of the Bayani
community is collective.
As to why I oppose Haifan Bahaism: although I wanted to leave aside any
discussion of these people here, I will say I publicly oppose them because they
are an extremely dangerous Stalinist and totalitarian New World Order cult with
some extremely troubling pretensions and goals to theocracy and world
domination. Also, they have lied and whitewashed history about themselves and
demonized us Bayanis and our sacred figures for 100+ years now, and they have an
agenda for Iran that if implemented would make what has happened to Iraq as of
2003 look like nothing by comparison! They also lie and regularly exagerrate
regarding the human rights violations they claim in Iran, not to mention they
are attempting to monopolize the whole human rights and persecution issue in
Iran exclusively for themselves. To them, it is as if no one else but them has
been legitimately persecuted and only they rightfully deserve the epithet of
victim. Plus they have assaulted and abused the integrity of myself and my
family many, many times and engaged in some incredibly criminal, but
underhanded, things against myself over the years. They also have no real
esoteric spirituality to speak of, and everything that they claim in terms of a
spirituality is taken/stolen from elsewhere from others and throughly sanitized
- particularly from Sufism and the Bayan. They are what French esotericist Rene
Guenon would call a counter-tradition.
Scholar Abbas Amanat has claimed that the Nuri family as a whole prior to their
adherence to Babism in the mid 1840s were associated with the Ni'matullahi Sufi
Order in Tehran during the 1830s and early 1840s. He adduces this given that
most court notables and the Qajar aristocracy where affiliated with Sufism of
one variety during this period. I am not dismissing what Amanat says, and do
wholeheartedly agree with the general observation (because it is true), but I
would also like to see more evidence for the specific Ni'matullahi affiliation
he claims. That said, although he tried to carve himself into the mold of a
wandering dervish during his sojourn in Iraqi Kurdistan in the late 1850s (while
bearing the name Darvish Muhammad Irani), there is no evidence that Mirza Husayn
'Ali Baha' was a practicing Sufi or an initiate of any sort. He is, on the other
hand, what some would pejoratively call mutasawwif.
William McElwee Miller's The Baha'i Faith: It's History and Teachings is in my
opinion one of the best introductory textbooks in any language on Bahaism. For
more contemporary events, look at Juan Cole's The Baha'i Faith in America as
Panopticon.
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I'll comment on this tomorrow, Nur
by rosie is roxy is roshan on Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT
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The medicinal use of psychoactive plants
by NUR on Sat Apr 11, 2009 08:22 PM PDT
You raise a very good question. But the Traditional shamanic physician or
occultist would also disagree with the foundational etiologies of mental illness
as well as both theoretical and empirical bases of diagnoses to begin with. The
science of the West is obviously to some degree at a serious handicap in the
area of the human psyche, and even many mental health researchers would agree
here. So the question you ask is decidedly in the negative: absolutely not, the
battle is not lost by a long shot!
You might note that in the past 20-30 years there has been an upsurge of
interest and usage in the West amongst those seeking alternative remedies with
psychoactive plant medicines deriving from the indigenous cultures of the
Americas, such as the tryptamine containing Ayahuasca tea or the mescaline
derived from the San Pedro and Peyote cactuses. There is presently an entire
industry of Ayahuasca tourism in Peru and Ecuador which is helping people seek
alternative healing therapies, and you have two psychedelic Christian Churches
(and various spin-offs) based in Brazil using Ayahuasca for both healing and
sacramental purposes, i.e. Santo Daime and UdV. Jacques Mabit, a former
head-honcho of Doctors Without Borders, left his position in the 1980s to found
a research institute in Peru known as Takiwasi where serious drug addicts and
schizophrenic patients have apparently been treated successfully over a
relatively short period of time by native Amerindian shamans of the Ayahuasca.
In Mexico there are several outfits utilizing the African Ibogaine to the same
end - and apparently, some claim, with more success than the Ayahuasca. If you
are a psychologist, psychiatrist or mental health professional I seriously
recommend you get a copy of Benny Shanon's book THE ANTIPODES OF THE MIND:
Charting the Phemomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience.
That said, as I mentioned elsewhere to someone else here earlier, in Iran the
use of the Esphand (i.e. Syrian Rue) extends well beyond just purposes of
incense. I know from first hand personal experience that occultists in Iran make
a tea from the seeds of the Esphand not too dissimilar to the Ayahuasca
(incidentally the chemistry of the Syrian Rue is identical to one of the two
lead ingredients in Ayahuasca, i.e. harmaline). The occult properties of the
Esphand are known amongst practitioners to repel various types of insanity,
depression, and obviously entity possession (from which we believe these things
usually initiate), and its regular use is known to strengthen mental acuity and
the general mental constitution and well-being.
Unfortunately governments, university and private foundations (except for one)
in the West are totally resistant to funding research into this area of the
healing properties of plant medicines, and the pharmaceutical companies are
making sure that it stays that way. Albert Hoffman was getting quite far in the
supervised psychiatric use of the ergot based LSD with patients in the 1960s,
but was shut down. The last US government funded research project into a
psychoactive substance was Rick Strassman's investigation into DMT (i.e. the
other lead component of Ayahuasca) in the early 1990s. Since then virtually
nothing has happened other than a small private outfit in New Mexico who is
funding the projects of various ethnobotanists and ethnopharmacologists on
Ayahuasca. Apparently one research project involves specifically the scientific
investigation and lengthy taxonomization of the treatement of schizophrenia and
multiple personality disorders with Ayahuasca.
Hope this answers your question. And, again let me underscore, no the war is not
lost!
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Hunted by superstitions and personality disorders
by Theosophia (not verified) on Sat Apr 11, 2009 07:28 AM PDT
Mr/Ms;
There are volumes of scientific books on the subject of mental disorders,
evidenced based science.
According to medical science, ultimately the manifestations of psychotic and
affective disorders are the imbalance in the neuro-electro-chemistry of the
brain and the etiology could be Organic brain disease, drug induced, trauma... .
Some of the manifestations of these drug induced mental/personality/affective
disorders are the result of an inappropriate and immature encounters of an
egocentric or defensive soul with the Ether which would become exceedingly
difficult to treat. There are powerful anti psychotics that can restore order in
the functions of the brain and bring emotional and mental normalcy but have many
side effects.
Does chamanism and sihr o jadoo of any color use any kind of plant derived
medicine that can bring rational thoughts back or is it a lost war.
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Very Interesting
by Anonymous99 (not verified) on Sat Apr 11, 2009 02:43 AM PDT
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