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MOI: When it comes to equity analysis, how do you assess the rarely discover anything new. In fact, it may corrupt your
quality and incentives of management? Which CEOs do you thought process.
admire most? We are a fact-based fund. We like to check their actions, and if
Estebaranz: We like to look at what managements do instead we like what we see, we invest with them. We may ask them
of what they say they are going to do. If they are active in specific questions about the business, accounts or the sector,
M&A, we track what multiples they paid and how the but this is different from going to them to hear about a bright
acquisitions have performed. We check if they have future or a pitch.
accomplished previous goals and strategic plans. Sometimes We don’t attend brokers’ events. Usually, the best companies
you find a CEO telling you how cheap the stock is, but they don’t do these kind of roadshows. If your business is great, you
don’t conduct buybacks. We don’t like that type of behavior. don’t need to promote it.
We like prudent and honest CEOs. We prefer them to have low MOI: How do you strike the right balance between being
public profiles. If we see a company presentation where they concentrated in your best ideas while remaining sufficiently
show trading multiples of their stock, that stock becomes un- diversified to keep downside risks under control?
investible. That kind of behavior creates short-term focus.
Estebaranz: We are a long-only fund. We don’t use leverage.
We also hate stock options. It is very simple structure.
Mark Leonard from Constellation Software is the prototype of Spanish law forces us to hold at least 20-30 holdings. We
the perfect CEO (leaving aside Warren Buffett). Leonard has currently have 40 holdings, plus some exiting/starting
created an amazing culture. They have one the most creative positions. The top ten positions are around 50% of the fund.
incentive systems I have ever seen. It is a system that makes
You have to very careful about concentrating a lot in small-
people think long-term, act like owners, and rewards best
caps. Bad news always happens, and if you own a lot of stock,
performers.
you are going to suffer. We have taken big
Luc de Chammard at Neurones is also positions in small-caps, but only when the
exceptional (see our related presentation at
“Sometimes you find a margin of safety was huge.
European Investing Summit).
CEO telling you how MOI: What are you observations on the
Angus Kelly at AerCap is a very smart guy competitiveness of Spanish businesses on a
cheap the stock is, but
who has created a lot of value for European or global stage? What changes
shareholders.
they don’t conduct
would you like to see to improve
buybacks. We don’t like
Stanley Ma of MTY Food Group is another competitiveness?
prototype of a perfect CEO. They don’t give
that type of behavior.”
Estebaranz: Spain has become very
guidance, don’t use stock options, have —ALEJANDRO ESTEBARANZ competitive inside Europe, after the recent
modest salaries, don’t attend analyst reforms. Labor is cheap, competitive, and
conferences, and don’t conduct quarterly flexible compared to the rest Europe. We
conference calls. The business has compounded value at 20% have a lot of skilled people. We have maybe one the best
for decades, and I expect they will compound at high rates in infrastructures in Europe after the housing boom of the early
the future. Your capital is invested better with this kind of guy 2000s.
than in ten-year bond.
Real estate costs have come down a lot, reducing costs for new
In Asia, it is harder to find good management, but we admire companies.
Hong Tianzhu from Texhong Textile (Hong Kong: 2678).
The main problem is politics. Populism is rising, and that is
This CEO has built a $1 billion business from scratch over
dangerous, in my view.
twenty years in the textile sector. He is always thinking,
always improving, a very smart capital allocator. The business I would like to see the government investing into improving
has multiplied sales and profits by 10x over the last decade. the quality of education, technology, and R&D.
They are the largest player in a very fragmented market, and MOI: Which one or two recent books have given you new
they can continue to compound value at 20%. The market insights into the art of investing?
offers you this great business and management team at a P/E of Estebaranz: 100 Baggers is a good read in you want to invest
5x (based on 2017 estimates). in truly great companies. You can learn what has worked in the
MOI: Do you typically seek dialogue with the management past and try to find similar stocks.
teams of your investee companies? The Outsiders is a great book on how to find good
Estebaranz: We don’t like to talk with managers before management teams and what they have in common.
investing. When you hear their “story” — they have already MOI: Alejandro, thank you very much for your insights.
told the same story to dozens of funds bigger than you. You
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