William Cooper's Mystery Babylon: Part 18 - Lucifer Worship (aired May 12th, 199

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**FINAL TRANSCRIPTION**
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Reference link: [i]The New World Order[/i], written by A. Ralph Epperson: http:/
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Welcome once again, folks, to the Hour of the Time. I'm your host, William Coope
r. We'll start off tonight's show with the Socialist national anthem.
(opening music: [i]Born Under A Bad Sign[/i], sung by Homer Simpson of [i]The Si
mpsons[/i])
(laughing) Oh, I love it! The Socialist national anthem: "Born Under A Bad Sign"
.
Folks, tonight's episode of Mystery Babylon, the 18th hour. I'm going to take di
rectly verbatim from chapter nine of A. Ralph Epperson's book, called [i]The New
World Order[/i]. He's going to be a guest on the show soon, and you'll know why
once you hear what...what we got to say tonight. So pay attention, and remember
, as always, as always, just because I'm giving you this series of Mystery Babyl
on doesn't mean that you're supposed to believe what I'm telling you blindly. Th
at's why I gave you the bibliography last night. You've got to go out and find t
he truth from your own research, and I'm the only one who ever tells you that. E
verybody else wants you to believe verbatim what they say because they're saying
it and who they are. And I'm tell you not to believe anybody, not even me -- no
t even your own mother -- unless you can verify it in your own work, your own re
search. Make sure that you do it, too.

[reading from [i]The New World Order[/i], written by A. Ralph Epperson]:

"[Now] the Bible[, folks,] discusses of a being called Lucifer in both the Old a
nd New Testaments..."
[William Cooper]: And we're going to be talking a lot about the Bible tonight be
cause we have to look at this from every point of view. We've looked at it from
the Mystery Schools. We've looked at it logically, we've looked at it historical
ly. Now we're going to look at it from the Bible's point of view, but not strict
ly from the Bible's point of view. But you need to know this.
"The Bible discusses a being called Lucifer in both the Old and New Testaments.
Other names for this creature are Satan, and the Devil.
"One of the first explanations of just who this being known as Lucifer is, is fo
und in the Old Testament in a book written by the prophet Isaiah, who wrote arou
nd 740 B.C. He wrote that Lucifer was created 'full of wisdom,' and was 'perfect
.' He was created the 'anointed cherub that covereth the throne of God,' and tha
t he actually was 'upon the holy mountain of God.' He later 'corrupted [his] wis
dom by reason of [his] brightness.' The Bible then records that God 'cast [him]
to the ground.'
"Isaiah wrote this in Isaiah [chapter 14, verse 12]: 'How art thou fallen from h
eaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground which
didst weaken the nations!'"
[William Cooper]: And, folks, this was the very first, very first recorded UFO s
ighting. If, indeed, it was a sighting at all.
"'For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt my
throne above the stars of God; I will sit also up on the mount of the congregati
on in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I w
ill be like The Most High.'
"Luke, a writer in the New Testament, records in Luke [chapter 10, verse 18], th
at Jesus said that he beheld 'Satan...as lightning fall from heaven.' Peter reco
rds in II Peter [chapter 2, verse 4] that God has 'spared not the angels...that
sinned, but cast them down' as well.
"Paul, another New Testament writer, wrote this about Lucifer in II Corinthians
[chapter 11, verse 14], in about 57 A.D.: 'And no marvel, for Satan [has] transf
ormed into an angel of light.' And in II Thessalonians [chapter 2, verse 9], Pau
l wrote that Satan was capable of working 'lying wonders.'
"[At] around 90 A.D., John, the author of the book known as Revelation, wrote in
Revelation [chapter 12, verse 9], that Satan was a 'dragon.'
"Lucifer shows up in the original site of human habitation on earth, called the
Garden of Eden. The creator God placed Adam, the first man (and later Eve, the f
irst woman) in this garden, but told them that there were certain rules that the
y had to abide by. [And] these are spelled out in Genesis [chapter 2, verses 16
and 17]: 'And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree in the garde
n thou mayst freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely
die.'
"Later, Lucifer spoke through a serpent to Eve, but in reality to both men and w
omen: 'Yea, hath God said: Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the
woman said unto the serpent: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden
: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden [the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil] God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, lest ye d
ie.
"'And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. For God doth kno
w that the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be a
s gods, knowing good and evil.'
"So, from the above information, it's possible to glean a little knowledge about
the nature of Lucifer:
"1. He was cast down from heaven, because he desired to ascend directly into the
seat of heavenly power, the throne of God.
"2. He is referred to as the 'son of the morning.' This appears to be a referenc
e to Lucifer being similar to the sun, which also rises every morning.
"[3.] His desire [number three, his desire] is to sit on the north side of the m
ountain of God.
"[4.] Lucifer can deceive the world, [this is number four. Lucifer can deceive t
he world,] because he has been transformed into an 'angel of light.'
"[5.] [And five,] Lucifer can work 'lying wonders.'
"Now, with those basic understandings[, folks,] of Lucifer in place, it will be
possible to examine the views of others about this fallen entity. However, not a
ll agree with the picture of Lucifer being evil. [For] Albert Pike wrote [this]:
'...there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness and in etern
al controversy with God.'
"In fact, Mr. Pike believes that Lucifer was not a force of evil, but could be a
force for good [and] he wrote this in [i]Morals and Dogma[/i]:"
[William Cooper]: Which I forgot to give you yesterday in the bibliography. That
's another one folks, write it down: [i]Morals and Dogma[/i], by Albert Pike. [i
]Morals and Dogma[/i], by Albert Pike. He wrote this in [i]Morals and Dogma[/i]:
"'For the Initiates [those initiated into the true secrets of Masonry] this is n
ot a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil.'
"To further amplify that belief of Mr. Pike's, it becomes important to quote a l
etter that he wrote on July the 14th, 1889 to the 23 Supreme Councils of the wor
ld. Judging from the contents of this letter, it appears that Mr. Pike was attem
pting to tell the leaders of the various Supreme Councils all over the world tha
t they were to know that Lucifer was the secret god of the Masons. This letter c
learly indicates that he believed the position that Lucifer was a god who had co
me to earth for the good of mankind. [And] he wrote this:
"'That which we must say to the crowd is [presumably, Mr. Pike meant that the 'c
rowd' was all of the non-Masons, [and] the public at large...[William Cooper: th
at which we must say to the crowd is]] We worship a God, but it is the God that
one adores without superstition.'
"[So] it appears that on the purposes of this letter was to advise all of the to
p ranking Masons that they were to concoct a story that the Masons worshiped the
'traditional' God, so that none could ever accuse them of worshiping a cherub,
a non-god, by the name of Lucifer. In other words, they were to deny that Lucife
r was their god whenever an outsider was smart enough to break through all of th
e secrets and figure it out."
[William Cooper]: Well, of course, folks, they were sworn to secrecy! They would
have to deny anything about the true secrets of their order. I mean, what kind
of logic is this? That's plain as the nose on your face. You must understand tha
t when you ask a Mason a question about Freemasonry, he's going to tell you a li
e because he is sworn to secrecy. And he is sworn by blood oaths. And I know tha
t, by the time they reach the 32nd degree, they taken at least 32 different oath
s swearing them to secrecy. Minimum. So, you should know this already.
[William Cooper]: Now, let's continue, but I'm going to go back and read that pa
rt over.
"It appears that one of the purposes of this letter was to advise all of the top
ranking Masons that they were to concoct a story that the Masons worshiped the
'traditional' God, so that none could ever accuse them of worshiping a cherub, a
non-God' by the name of Lucifer. [William Cooper: It's very important.] In othe
r words, they were to deny that Lucifer was their god whenever an outsider was s
mart enough to break through all of the secrets and figure it out."
[William Cooper]: As I, and many others, have done. As A. Ralph Epperson has don
e.
"So the secret inside the Masonic order is that Lucifer is their secret god. Any
non-Mason today who attempts to explain any of their Masonic friends or relativ
es that this is the secret inside the Lodge, will be met with an instantaneous d
enial. Every Mason, whether they know the secret of the Lodge or not, will obvio
usly deny the accusation [because they must].
"Mr. Pike continued: 'You may repeat it to the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees -- Th
e Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, mainta
ined in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.'"
[William Cooper]: You see, Albert Pike at that time was at the head of all the l
odges of Freemasonry of the world, and at the head of the Scottish Rite of Freem
asonry in the United States of America.
"Here, Mr. Pike seems to indicate that it is the 30th, 31st and 32nd degrees tha
t are to be taught the 'Luciferian doctrine.' The direct evidence that the honor
ary 33rd degree is formally taught that Lucifer is the Great Architect of the Un
iverse will be presented later. But, here Pike seems to say that that lesson is
to be taught at an earlier degree. 'If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay [the G
od of the Christians and the Jews] and his priests calumniate [which is] [define
d as spreading false and harmful statements about or to slander] him?'"
[William Cooper]: Would they calumniate him?
"Pike makes two incredible statements about Lucifer:
"1. He is considered to be a god! and
"2. The priests, and the rabbis, have it all backwards, and are all slandering h
is name.
"As has been illustrated, the Bible states that Lucifer is nothing more than a f
allen cherub. He's not a god. Yet Mr. Pike clearly states that Lucifer is a god!
[William Cooper: Now, how can that be?]
"And secondly, those who claim that he is the 'wicked one' are 'slandering' him.
Those individuals have it all wrong!
"Mr. Pike continued: '...the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief
in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay;'
"Adonay, also spelled [William Cooper: well, in the first place here, it's spell
ed A-D-O-N-A-Y, then he says 'Adonai,' also spelled A-D-O-N-A-I], is the Hebrew
word for God. To show that Pike was referring to the God of the Bible, he wrote
this in his book entitled [i]Morals and Dogma[/i]: '...Adonai, the rival of Bal
and Osiris.'
[William Cooper]: In other words, Adonay is Typhon. That's an aside from me, fol
ks, that's not written in this book. But as you been listening to this series I'
ve given you, you know that Adonay, if this is true, if he's the rival of Baal a
nd Osiris, then he is Typhon.
"As has been illustrated, Osiris is the sun-god, as the sun has been shown as a
symbol of Lucifer. Adonai is the 'rival' of Lucifer, both in the Bible, and in t
he writings of Albert Pike. 'But Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is strug
gling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.'
"[And] here once again Mr. Pike writes that Lucifer and Adonay are rivals, and t
hat the religious world has it all backwards: Lucifer is the 'good [guy],' and A
donay is the God of 'evil and darkness.'
"(The author would like to interrupt the narrative to make an observation...)"
[William Cooper]: And this observation is being made by A. Ralph Epperson, not m
e. He wrote this book.
"(That authenticity of that letter by Albert Pike that was just quoted has been
questioned by a variety of writers. It has been reported that Mr. Pike made thes
e comments in an 'encyclical' hand carried to a meeting of [the] 23 Supreme Coun
cils of the world on July 14th, 1889 in Paris, France.
"This author [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] is willing to concede that the only evi
dence for the contents of this 'encyclical' consists of it being quoted in a boo
k written by Frenchman named A. C. de la Rive entitled [i]La Femme et l' Enfant
dans la Ranc-Maconnerie Universelle[/i].)"
[William Cooper]: I'm not a French speaker, folks, so that's the best I could do
. My tongue doesn't do those things, or at least I haven't practiced to make my
tongue do those things.
"(That title, translated from French to English means 'The Woman and Child in Un
iversal French Masonry.' A copy of that page that contains that quote, and the c
over of the book has been supplied to this author [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] by
a concerned researcher who had someone locate the book in France for him and ma
ke copies of the pertinent pages.
"The author has read another book that contains the English translation of that
'encyclical.' That book is entitled [i]Occult Theocracy[/i] and was written in 1
933 by Edith Starr Miller. She cites the book by Mr. De La Rive as her source.
"She obviously believed that the letter was true and contained the actual though
ts of Mr. Albert Pike.)"
[William Cooper]: He said it in so many other places, including his own book, [i
]Morals and Dogma[/i], that I also believe that the letter is true. And now I'm
speaking as myself, William Cooper.
"(In other words, [going back to A. Ralph Epperson's words, in other words,] the
only source of the letter is a Frenchman who quotes it in his book and not Mr.
Albert Pike himself. It must be assumed that Mr. Pike, if we were alive today an
d was asked whether the letter was his, would deny that he ever wrote such an 'e
ncyclical,' whether or not he not he had written it [William Cooper: because he
must be sworn to maintain the secrets]. But, the reader is admonished to remembe
r that if he did indeed worship Lucifer, and wrote the 'encyclical,' he would ce
rtainly have to deny it.' So that answer would tell the researcher nothing.
"It is the contention of this writer, [A. Ralph Epperson,] and others who are at
tempting to decipher the secret symbols of the Masonic Order, that a small perce
ntage of the Masons know that all of the symbols inside the Lodge refer to Lucif
er.)"
[William Cooper]: And I am one of those who believe this, folks. My research has
shown it to be absolutely true, and I can prove it. And I've already, I've alre
ady, given you direct quotes from many Freemasons that already prove it.
"(And it must remembered that these Masons must of necessity do all that they ca
n to deny any [any revelation of any of the secrets of the Lodge].
"And certainly anyone today who believes that the contents of the letter are a f
raud would do all that they could to discredit anyone who said that the thoughts
were the actual thoughts of Pike.
"However, this writer [meaning A. Ralph Epperson] is of the opinion that Mr. Pik
e did indeed worship Lucifer, and is not basing that conclusion on just this one
letter. Notice that Mr. Pike has written elsewhere that he considered Lucifer t
o be the secret god of the Masonic Lodge.)"
[William Cooper]: And I, William Cooper, also found that to be true. Not only in
one or two letters, but in many instances.
"(So, it is not essential to this writer [A. Ralph Epperson's position] that thi
s 'encyclical' be proven to be valid. It is the author's contention that there i
s ample evidence from other sources, including from Masons other than Mr. Pike,
that the secret god inside the Masonic lodges is Lucifer [William Cooper: and I
wholeheartedly concur with Mr. Epperson]. That evidence is available to anyone w
ho cares to locate it.)
"But there is another Mason who knows that Lucifer is the 'good god' of a partic
ular segment of the Masons. Pike's fellow 33rd degree Mason, Manly P. Hall, also
felt that this 'god' was a 'god of good.' He wrote in his book entitled [i]The
Secret Teachings of All Ages[/i]:
"'Sun worship played an important part in nearly all the early pagan Mysteries.
The Solar Deity...was slain by wicked ruffians, who personified the evil princip
le of the universe. By means of certain rituals and ceremonies, symbolic of puri
fication and regeneration, this wonderful [i]god of good[/i] was brought back to
life and became the savior of His people.' [(emphasis by Epperson)]
"This 'god' who came back to life is not the Jesus of the Bible, because Mr. Hal
l refers to him as 'The Solar Deity.' He is referring to the death and resurrect
ion of Osiris, covered in detail in the Masonic rituals."
[William Cooper]: And I've already, I've already relayed to you who Osiris reall
y is. In fact, in this series of the Mystery Religion, I've proven it time and t
ime and time again.
"[But] Manly P. Hall has further identified Lucifer as the god of some of his fe
llow Masons. He has written this in his book entitled [i]The Lost of Keys of Fre
emasonry[/i] [It's one of the books that I gave you last night, folks]:
"'When the Mason learns the key to the warrior of the block is the proper applic
ation of the dynamo of the living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft
. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwar
d and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.'
"Mikhail Bakunin, the Russian anarchist, also addressed this question of evil an
d good gods. He wrote: 'The Evil One is the satanic revolt against divine author
ity, revolt in which we see the fecund [defined as being fertile] germ of all hu
man emancipations, the revolution.
"'Socialists recognize each other by the words "In the name of the one to whom t
he great wrong has been done."
"'Satan[, folks, is] the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipato
r of worlds. He makes men ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he ema
ncipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging h
im to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.'
[William Cooper]: You see, I've been telling you all along that Socialists and t
he Mystery Religion of Babylon are the same, the same, the same, and now in his
book A. Ralph Epperson has proven it.
"That thought that Lucifer was a 'good spirit, to whom a great wrong' has been d
one, is the basic thought that holds the New Age together, according to Texe Mar
rs, the author of two major books on the subject. [And] he has written: 'Many Ne
w Agers commend Lucifer because by tempting Eve he enabled man to evolve toward
enlightened knowledge and godhood.'"
[William Cooper]: Remember, I told you that, with the gift of intellect, man wil
l develop technology that will make him God? They're working feverishly in labor
atories now to uncover the secret of immortal life.
"Mr. Marrs discusses the thoughts of a leader in a mystical organization called
the Stelle Group [William Cooper: How many times have I mentioned that? The Stel
le Group.], named Eklal Kueshana. He writes...this New Age leader says that:
"'Lucifer is the head of a secret Brotherhood of Spirits...the Brotherhood is na
med after Lucifer because the great Angel Lucifer has been responsible for the a
bolishment of Eden in order that men could begin on the road to spiritual advanc
ement.'"
[William Cooper]: Lars Hanson was reared in The Stelle Group. Lars Hanson was re
ared in The Stelle Group. Tom Valentine was a member of The Stelle Group. Tom Va
lentine wrote a book called [i]The Life and Death of Planet Earth[/i]. Get it, r
ead it, folks.
[William Cooper]: Tom Valentine was associated with the Communist party. Now he'
s a member of the Liberty Lobby, which came right out of the old German Nazi Bun
d. They used to sing the Horst Wessel song at the beginning of their meetings. W
ake up! Wake up! Wake up! Why do you think every time somebody calls Tom Valenti
ne to ask him about Freemasonry and their complicity in the conspiracy? He cover
s it up and hangs up on the person as quickly as possible and denies that there'
s any complicity of Freemasonry.
[William Cooper]: Now, this makes me a little hot under the collar. I've got to
cool down a little bit, so we're going to take a break. Folks, don't go away, I'
ll be right back after this very short pause.

(break music: none)

Well, folks, I needed that little break. I will tell you right now, Tom Valentin
e has been attacking me for years because he knows that I know who he is and wha
t he's about, that I know the origins of the Liberty Lobby, that I know their me
ssage is that our government is no good. It doesn't work, that it's turned again
st us and it's all lies. Where it's the people who are in these secret societies
who have turned against us who are delivering that message to us to get us to v
oluntarily overthrow or get rid of our own government, the only government in th
e history of the world that is ever set man free! And I'm the only one who let's
you know this. It's not our government, it's not the Constitution, it's not the
Bill of Rights, it's not the structure. It's the secret societies. It's the Tom
Valentines. It's the Bo Gritzes. It's all of these people who belong to Freemas
onry and the Ancient Order of the Rose and Cross, and the Knights Templar, and t
he sovereign and military Order of the Knights of Malta, and the order of St. Jo
hn of Jerusalem and many more. Many more. Socialists, international socialism un
der many, many different names. You see, folks, you see? (laughs)
The senator was right. Senator McCarthy was absolutely right, he was correct. He
just didn't know the proper name. He thought he was ferreting out Communism...h
e wasn't. You see, if he understood that what I understand, then he would have s
urvived the attacks of the very people he was trying to ferret out, who owned th
e media that turned against him and destroyed him. Hollywood, who turned against
him, destroyed him through manipulating the opinion of the public. See, Communi
sm, folks, is just a word. It's another bugaboo enemy. (laughs) The real enemy,
folks, is Mystery Babylon. I could never say what I said tonight before, because
if I had, it would have been misinterpreted. I had to have independent verifica
tion that The Stelle Group worshiped Lucifer before I could reply legitimately t
o attacks upon me by Tom Valentine. Because if I had told you what I know withou
t independent verification, all of you would have turned against me as being a p
oor sport or some other bullshit. It's a real load off my chest to be able to de
liver that message to you. I can tell you that right now. Real load off my chest
.
Let me continue, and remember, this is chapter nine of A. Ralph Epperson's book,
The New World Order.

[continuing reading from [i]The New World Order[/i]]:

"So there's a basic disagreement about the nature of Lucifer, also known as Sata
n or the devil. The Bible depicts him as a force for evil, and Mr. Pike, and oth
ers, picture him as a force for good.
"But the connection between Lucifer and the Ancient Mysteries needs to be furthe
r amplified. The Mysteries had a purpose: to create a super man..."
[William Cooper]: Where have you heard that before? Hitler said it, and they're
working in secret laboratories right now toward the same goal.
"The Mysteries had a purpose: to create a super man, one capable of understandin
g the true nature of the universe, and to worship the 'true' god. W. L. Wilmshur
st, a Mason, wrote these thoughts in his book entitled [i]The Meaning of Masonry
[/i]:
"'This -- the evolution of man into supermen -- was always the purpose of the an
cient Mysteries, and the real purpose of modern Masonry is, not the social and c
haritable purposes to which so much attention is paid, but the evolution of thos
e who aspire to perfect their own nature, and transform it into more god-like qu
ality.'"
[William Cooper]: Indeed, I say as an aside here what a Freemason said to a frie
nd of mine who was his son. He said, Son, if you are not one of us, you are nothi
ng. And, of course, the son was not one of them, and to his great credit, has nev
er become one of them.
"[W. L. Wilmshurst] amplified this thought a little later in his book: 'Man who
has sprung from the earth [meaning that he was not created by a creator God] and
developed through the lower kingdoms of nature to his present rational state, h
as yet to complete his evolution by becoming a god-like being and unifying his c
onsciousness with the Omniscient ~ to promote which is and always has been the s
ole aim and purpose of all Initiation.'
"[And he goes on:] 'No higher level of attainment is possible than that in which
 the human merges in the Divine consciousness and know as God knows.'"
[William Cooper]: (laughs) What have I been telling you all this time, folks?
"So, just as Satan tempted mankind with the ability to know good and evil themse
lves just like God, without His assistance, now the Masons are teaching that the
y too could become a god through an initiation into the Ancient Mysteries.
"John Anthony West, in his book [i]Serpent in the Sky[/i], wrote this in support
of Mr. Wilmshurst's statement:
"'Egypt started with the concept of divine attributes within man. The gods are n
ot brought down to earth; rather man is raised to the gods.'
"Others besides the above mentioned Masons, like Louis Feuerbach, have joined th
e discussion with similar thoughts. He was a nineteenth century philosopher and
a hero of the Communists like Karl Marx. In fact, Frederick Engels, the co-worke
r with Karl Marx during the time Marx wrote [i]The Communist Manifesto[/i] [Will
iam Cooper: as a hired writer hack], wrote this about his friend:
"'All the Communists of 1845 were followers of [Louis] Feuerbach...'
"The reason the Communists supported the ideas of Feuerbach is apparent when the
student reads his writings. [For] he wrote: 'Man alone is our God, our father,
our judge, our redeemer, our true home, our law and our rule, the Alpha and the
Omega of our life and our political, moral, public and domestic activity. There
is no salvation, save through the medium of man.'
"John Denver, the well known popular singer, has adopted this same philosophy ab
out his divinity. He has been quoted as saying this after his new conversion: 'I
t's the single, most important experience of my life -- I can do anything. One o
f these days, I'll be so complete I won't be human; I'll be a god.'"
[William Cooper]: It's the same thing that's taught in the Mormon church. If a m
arried couple produced many children and conformed to the teachings of the churc
h, then when they die, they will be gods and they will be given a planet of thei
r own, and they will continue their reproduction, only they will be souls and th
ey will populate the planet and will be the gods of the planet.
[William Cooper]: What crap! What absolute crap! Where do these people get their
egos? "I'll be a god!" Yeah, sure you will. (laughs) If you guys are all gods,
then how come you still got to pay your bills? How come you get sick? And how co
me you got to go to the doctor? And if you go to the doctor, what does that make
the doctor if you're god? Huh?
[William Cooper]: You're a bunch of fools. You're blithering idiots. You've lost
your mind, your egos have run away with the rest of you and you're going to die
like everyone else. And you're going to find, like everyone else, what really h
appens when people die. And as far as I know, no one on this Earth really knows,
or is likely to know, 'til it happens to them. Put that in your pipe and smoke
it.
"Mr. Hall, the Mason, stated a similar thought when he wrote this in his book en
titled [i]Lectures on Ancient Philosophy[/i]:
"'We may study the star intellectually, but we have never attained consciousness
until we are the star.'
"But this idea that man could become a god is not new. The Bible anticipated it,
and Isaiah wrote about it back in 741 B.C. This is what he wrote in Isaiah [cha
pter 43, verse 10]: 'Thus saith the Lord...understand that I am He: before me th
ere was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.'
"And once again, in Isaiah [chapter 45, verse 5]: 'I am the Lord, and there is n
one else, there is no God beside me...'
[William Cooper]: And remember, all the Roman emperors declared themselves god,
and they all died like every other man, and died (some of them) by the assassin
's sword or knife. God, yeah, mm-hmm. Boy, you guys just take the cake, I'll tel
l you. How you can meet and throw that bologna around at each other and swallow
it and pump each other up. To believe that you're gods or going to be gods is be
yond my understanding.
"The Bible teaches that there is but one God, and that mankind has no possibilit
y of sharing His godhead.
"One who apparently has not believed those statements in the Bible is Shirley Ma
cLaine, who has become a spokesman for the position that man can become a god. S
he has written several books on the subject of her support of the New Age. (News
week magazine described her as 'The New Age evangelist.') [And] she wrote the fo
llowing statement in her book entitled [i]Dancing in the Light[/i]: '...we are
part of God...' and this elsewhere in the same book: '...if one says audibly I a
m God, the sound vibrations literally align the energies of the body to a higher
attunement.'"
[William Cooper]: Yeah, I bet it does. Yep, yep, I bet the insanity molecules ta
ke over every portion of the body, and you really all feel great until you have
to go pay your rent, or you catch the flu, or somebody just knocks the crap out
of you to bring you back to reality. Which is exactly what should happen when yo
u do those kinds of things. What's wrong with just living life peacefully with o
ther people and enjoying what we have? What's the big thing that you have to bec
ome God? And I'll tell ya right now, you never will. You might as well just....w
ell, never mind. If you want to be God, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're dec
eiving yourself, and that's OK as long as you don't hurt anyone else.
"If each man is a god, mankind is capable of making decisions for their own welf
are. Each man has complete control of his decision-making, according to Miss Mac
Laine. In fact, man's control is extended into areas few have ever claimed for m
ankind. [And] these are the thoughts of Miss MacLaine:
"'I think we choose to be together...We choose our parents, and I think the pare
nts choose the children they want to have before they ever come into an incarnat
ion.'"
[William Cooper]: Tell that to an abused child. Tell that to a child who's raise
d by drunken, miserable, stinking parents who don't give a damn about the child.
Tell that to all those people who know that that's total false, irresponsible,
ramblings of an insane maniac. And you know what they say when they're confronte
d with this? They say you agreed to it in a previous life, and that you're, you'
re paying off your karmic debt. You see, they have a rationalization for everyth
ing, and it's just more bullshit. More lies, more crap.
"She went further to record another strange thought, when she wrote this: '...th
ere is no such thing as reality, only perception.'"
[William Cooper]: Well, Shirley, let me tap you on the jaw with my fist, and the
n you tell me that there's no reality. Of course, I don't really want to do that
, folks, but that's just a way to bring her to her senses. If it were legal, I m
ight try it. Might try it. Might wake her up. Might show her that her perception
is only reality. (laughs)
"One can only wonder where Miss MacLaine got these bizarre thoughts from. Severa
l clues that can assist the student in understanding her have been given by eith
er her own revelations or some articles that have appeared about her in the medi
a.
"In her book entitled [i]Out on a Limb[/i], she wrote about her meetings with he
r married lover in her apartment."
[William Cooper]: (laughs) This god is breaking up somebody's marriage, and she'
s meeting with her married lover in her apartment.
"She commented that he looked at her shelf of books on, amongst other subjects:
'Marxists theory,' including a 'biography of Karl Marx.'"
[William Cooper]: It was wrong with that [sic], I have those books in my library
and many more. Many more. But knowing, knowing Shirley MacLaine, and folks, I d
o, knowing this scatterbrained twit, when she has books on Marxists theory, incl
uding a barred biography on Karl Marx, you can bet that she's a Socialist. And o
f course, she is.
"[i]Parade[/i] magazine of December 18th, 1988 had an article on Miss MacLaine w
hich it revealed that her den had 'lots of framed pictures: Shirley with...Fidel
Castro, and with [Communist] Nikita Khrushchev [amongst others.]' The magazine
reported how Shirley and her lover: 'talked about Democratic-Socialist principle
s and how it was possible to have them both at the same time if the rich would o
nly share their wealth more.'
"Elsewhere in her book, she wrote about how much of a hypocrite she was when she
added this contradictory statement [and they all do]: '...wanted to talk to him
...about how I had made a lot of money and that it made me feel elite in a world
that was broke to know I could buy just about anything I wished for.'"
[William Cooper]: Just like Jane Fonda, who's been pushing for gun control for y
ears, who was stopped by law enforcement officers on the freeway and her car was
found to contain many pistols and weapons, firearms. Hypocrites and liars.
"However, nowhere in her book did she say that she had freely donated any of her
own wealth to the relief of the poor. Apparently she believes that the Communis
t ideas about wealth sharing are acceptable only [if] she does not have to share
her wealth like she wants the other rich to do."
[William Cooper]: You see, most rich purport to be Socialist but, in actual prac
tice, none of them really are. None of them would give away their wealth to the
poor, ever. Yet, they pretend to be liberal, Socialist, Marxist. In reality, the
y demonstrate exactly the opposite. They're liars and hypocrites. For the whole
Communist, Socialist idea is for the little people, you and I, who are to be the
ir slaves in the New World Order.
"Miss MacLaine has since gone on a nationwide tour promoting her newfound religi
ous views to the public. [i]Newsweek[/i] magazine reported in 1987 that she had
made a great deal of money explaining her new thoughts to others: 'Since MacLain
e began her tour in...[1987,] more than 10,000 people in 15 cities have paid $30
0 admission fee.'"
[William Cooper]: Well, you know me, folks. I have absolutely nothing against th
at. If she could have got $1000 a head admission fee, that would be OK with me.
"[Now,] 10,000 times $300 equals 3 million dollars."
[William Cooper]: I still have no complaint with that. This is the United States
of America. If somebody wants it, give it to them. If they want to pay it, if t
hey're that stupid, that's fine with me. I believe that people should be giving
somebody something though, but I also believe that if they're stupid enough to p
ay it, then they should be taken. That's how you learn. And a lot of people woul
d disagree with me, but I'm sorry folks, I'm sorry. That's what I believe.
"Obviously, Shirley's tours have proven to be both popular and lucrative. The [i
]Newsweek[/i] article on her seminar mentioned a little of what she teaches in t
hem. The following are a few of her comments:
"'The Earth is moving off its axis,' she says, and only the 'collective consciou
sness' of mankind can right it. For the spiritually inclined, 'a window of light
' will appear on those days [August 16th and 17th, 1987] that MacLaine says will
'allow us to rise to a higher plain of cosmic understanding.'"
[William Cooper]: Pure bullshit. Pure crap. Pure New Age mesmerism, if you will,
for nothing happened on those dates.
"'Evangelist' MacLaine became 'Doctor' MacLaine when she reported some of her ne
w cures for two of the world's most serious problems: AIDS and cancer of the abd
omen. According to the [i]Newsweek[/i] article, she told her audience:
"'They [or] [those who paid to hear her in the 15 cities of the tour] all got to
hear MacLaine's pronouncements on such subjects as AIDS (she thinks sufferers a
re sick because they have been "bereft of love necessary to sustain the balance"
of health); and cancer (for cancer of the abdomen, she advises "putting patient
s in a yellow room because yellow is the color 'frequency' of that part of the b
ody.")'"
[William Cooper]: More New Age mesmerism bullshit crap.
"And to think her 'patients' only have to pay $300 for such wisdom!
"But 'Doctor' MacLaine is not as dumb as one might think. The [i]Newsweek[/i] ar
ticle reported: '...everyone who attended had to sign waivers absolving the semi
nar's organizers from responsibility [from] psychological injury.' [William Coop
er: How clever! How clever of Ms. MacLaine!]
"So someone in charge of arranging her seminars is aware that her ideas might ca
use psychological damage to those attending, and they have moved to protect her
from malpractice lawsuits.
"Not not only was this 'New Age evangelist' making money on her personal lecture
tours, she was also making money on her best selling books."
[William Cooper]: Now, I don't know what's wrong with A. Ralph Epperson. I don't
know why he's saying this because he purports to believe in the Constitution an
d the principles and ideals upon which this country was based. And there is noth
ing wrong with making money on anyone's personal lecture tours or on their books
. And I can tell you right now, that A. Ralph Epperson makes money on his lectur
e tours and on his books and that's how he makes his living. So as far as I'm co
ncerned, that is a partial discreditation of A. Ralph Epperson.
"As of July, 1987, her book entitled [i]Out on a Limb[/i], had sold 3 million co
pies, and her other major seller, [i]Dancing in the Light[/i], had sold 2.2 mill
ion."
[William Cooper]: Could he be jealous? Is it possible that A. Ralph Epperson is
jealous of Shirley MacLaine's ability to sell books?
"[i]Time[/i] magazine reported that her 'five books on self-exploration and self
-promotion have run to more than 8 million copies.'"
[William Cooper]: Now, to me that's admirable. If someone can write something th
at is so desirable by 8 million people that it sells 8 million copies, I don't c
are what they're writing about. That's admirable. She's providing an income for
herself, her family and people are obviously buying her books because they want
them. Therefore, she's supplying them with a service, whether it's bullshit or n
ot, it doesn't matter. That's the American way, folks. That's what it's all abou
t. There was a lot of people back in the early part of the century who hated aut
omobiles, and therefore, Henry Ford was the devil. But he sold an awful lot of t
hem, and when [sic] he came under the criticism of a lot of people for doing it.

[William Cooper]: Sorry folks, that's the American way. As far as I'm concerned,
what A. Ralph Epperson is spouting in these few sentences here is Socialism. An
d I admire him for his research and what he's done, and I know that he makes his
living selling books and lecturing. And for him to spout the Socialist attitude
when he is doing the same thing is not acceptable. And he is a friend of mine a
nd I will certainly bring this to his attention. You know, I read this book a lo
ng time ago and I had forgotten that he had said these things, but I will certai
nly bring this to his attention. In fact, we may talk about it on the air when h
e's a guest of the show, and he will be a guest of the show very shortly. So, yo
u can look forward to some kind of explanation of this.
"[He says] it appears that selling the New Age religion can be very profitable!"
[William Cooper]: Well, Barnum and Bailey was very profitable and it was all an
illusion, just like the New Age religion.
"But, in summary, perhaps the most cogent comment on the battle between the New
[Agers] and the Christians was made by Nesta Webster in her book entitled [i]Sec
ret Societies[/i]:
"'The war now begins between the two contending principles: the Christian concep
tion of man reaching up to God, and the secret society...conception of man as Go
d, needing no revelation from on high, and no guidance but the law of his own na
ture.
"'And since that nature is in itself divine, all that springs from it is praisew
orthy, and those acts usually regarded as sins are not to be condemned.'
[William Cooper]: You heard me say before that in the New World Order the law wi
ll be: Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. And it will.
"The battle lines are drawn between those who believe in a creator God, and thos
e who believe than man can become god. These are the two opposing positions. And
the battle between them[, dear listeners,] has [most certainly] begun."
[William Cooper]: Now, don't get too upset for my criticism of the few paragraph
s that A. Ralph Epperson wrote condemning Shirley MacLaine's ability to write bo
oks and lecture and bring in a lot of money. For I am sure that in his zeal, whi
ch many of us get carried away with, in his zeal to condemn the worship of Lucif
er and the secret societies, he carried it a little too far. We'll bring it up w
hen he's a guest on the show, for I am a little curious about it myself. But I h
aven't jumped off the edge...let's put it that way.
Good night, and may God bless you all.
(closing music: [i]Walk on the Water[/i], performed by Credence Clearwater Reviv
al)