Professional Documents
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Written by
Michael Albert
Written by
Michael Albert
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Mr. President...
CELIA CURIE
Call him Malcolm. I do, we all do.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But Madame Vice President...
CELIA CURIE
Miguel, please, call me Celia.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Well, okay...
(turns to Malcolm)
What a pleasure to celebrate victory.
How do you feel?
MALCOLM KING
Eager. Cautious. Ideas won.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Yes, but you traversed the country. You
campaigned. You won...
CELIA CURIE
No. Millions of volunteers and 100
million voters won.
INT. CONVENTION HALL - EVENING
MALCOLM KING
Twenty five years ago, 2019. Someone
running for President with my views. An
impossible dream. Then hope grew.
Activism flourished.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Celia, your first reactions to the Oval
Office?
CELIA CURIE
(points at portraits, laughs)
We need to redecorate.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
And immediate program?
CELIA CURIE
Hold a constitutional convention to
revamp government. Enlarge the Supreme
Court to reflect society. Build
community housing, schools, and clinics.
Drastically down-size the military.
Deliver prison pardons. Renovate
judicial procedures.
MALCOLM KING
Further innovate energy for ecological
balance. Support workplace take-overs.
Empower neighborhood assemblies. Pursue
equitable economics to demolish income
and wealth inequity. Institute more
workers self management. Initiate more
participatory planning.
CELIA CURIE
We have waged a quarter century journey
of ceaseless struggle, but there is much
more to come.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Do you feel pressure? Fear?
CELIA CURIE
I feel tense and excited for the impact
we can have.
MALCOLM KING
Ignorant choices could impede change. I
fear that.
CELIA CURIE
Like the doctor’s “do no harm,” or the
ecologist’s “precautionary principle,” we
have to do good but avoid damage.
-- Occupied factory.
BILL HAMPTON
Politics used to be a competitive,
elitest, money grubbing, bureaucratic
producer of hypocrisy. Now, politics is
you!
BILL HAMPTON
I woke up. We woke up. Celebrate. Then
carry on.
MALCOLM KING
Inauguration Day approached. Rebels and
rakes, outcasts, the gentle, the kind,
poets and painters, bricklayers and truck
drivers, saints and sinners. All sought
a moment’s celebration on the road to
greater victories.
CELIA CURIE
History had shackled society so long that
many millions wanted to dance in the
streets.
MALCOLM KING
To accommodate, we held events in
hundreds of counties. Danced to decades
of struggle. Danced preparatory to
battling on.
EXT. CENTRAL PARK - DAY
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Juliet, do you remember first becoming
radical?
JULIET BERKMAN
In 2016, horrified at Trump's election I
drank myself sick. What had happened?
It seemed like Hell made real. Earth
would burn. Friends roused me.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But why become radical? Why not pursue
conventional success?
JULIET BERKMAN
I feared fascism but I despised
conventional success. To me the dinner
parties, stretch limos, and mansions were
morally repulsive. I preferred love and
dignity to money and power.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I became a dissident rather than a
mainstream journalist with the same
feelings. What were some key RPS events
for you?
JULIET BERKMAN
The first two RPS conventions woke me.
The campaign for balanced jobs in 2024
inspired me. The campaign for the thirty-
hour work week in 2025 steeled me. But
even earlier I particularly remember a
meeting arranged with workers at a
defense plant connected with a university
where students were opposing military
research. I spoke to an assembly of
protesting students and defense-involved
employees.
JULIET BERKMAN
They were right. I had much to learn.
It wasn’t easy.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Was there a second personal event?
DETROIT SPEAKER
Raise wages! End police violence! Wage
peace! Win the world!
MIGUEL GUEVARA
(looks at soccer players)
I was in college, headed, I thought, for
a soccer future. Olympics and all. But
the competitiveness and macho behaviors
of coaches and players alike drove me
away from soccer. The eye-opening
revelations of those time and the
readings I followed up with took me into
activism. But, back to you. Many
pinpoint the 2021 march of a half million
protestors on Wall Street as their RPS
start. Were you there?
JULIET BERKMAN
Yes, and as nervous as I was, I even gave
a speech.
JULIET BERKMAN
If you told me in 2019 that twenty-five
years later we would witness society
fundamentally transforming, I would have
laughed. A hundred years, maybe. Twenty-
five? No way. But it turned out that
people only needed hope.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Anger roused me. But you are right, hope
gave me direction.
(MORE)
MIGUEL GUEVARA (CONT'D)
You focused on workers’ lives. What were
early turning points in battling economic
injustice?
JULIET BERKMAN
The Amazonia strike was one. We had all
bought from Amazonia just by clicking
links. Suddenly 300,000 Amazonia workers
sat down and became visible. They sat
down to stand tall.
AMAZONIA WORKER mechanically does her task. Camera pans to more and
more similar workers, then to plant after plant, then to workers
sitting, striking.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Can you recall another turning
point for you?
JULIET BERKMAN
Yes, a second turning point was a
campaign to raise Harvard's kitchen and
custodial workers‘ wages. Activists
sought improved work conditions and
higher wages, but also envisioned optimal
conditions and incomes for the future.
STUDENT DEMONSTRATOR
Why do those who clean classrooms earn
less than those who lecture students? Do
they work less hard? Is the cleaning they
do less onerous? Do they work fewer
hours?
LAW STUDENT
We harbor bad habits of entitlement that
operate obstructively.
(MORE)
LAW STUDENT (CONT'D)
We face intense resistance from many
classmates, faculty, and media.
Nonetheless, we seek to be lawyers for
people not for corporations!
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
In college, I memorized equations. I
worshipped supply and demand. I
ridiculed government spending. I learned
lots about inflation and tax rates but
nothing about corporate process. Me and
my mates were ignorant self-important
wannabe wonks swimming blindly with other
ignorant self-important wannabe wonks.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What were some pivotal events for you?
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
The 2021 Schools for the People campaign
and the 2029 Olympia Refinery takeover
come immediately to mind.
INT. HIGH SCHOOL - NIGHT
MALE PARENT
We want education not warehousing for our
children. We want a community center
where we can all learn.
FEMALE PARENT
Teachers want better wages. We want
better access. Principal Chambers, we
want a second home, right here.
OWNER
My workers. My company. My machines.
My product. You earn what I pay you.
You produce what I tell you. That's how
it works. Now move your asses out of my
way.
STRIKER
We work for our families, our community,
and ourselves, not for you. We will get
worthy pay. We will get respect and a
say. That's how it will be. We will not
violate nature and threaten survival any
longer. We will NOT move. NOT you, your
scabs, or anyone else will refine oil
here again.
(looks skyward)
Your drones don’t intimidate us. Your
commands don’t move us. Your wealth
doesn’t scare us. Your time is over. It
is you who will move. Henceforth we are
converting this plant to Solar Panel
production. We have had enough of your
authority. We have had enough of global
warming. Stay on and work for society
like us, or get the hell out.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I reported on the refinery take-over.
How they redefined their lives so
inspired me that I joined RPS. What was
your path?
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
Back at school, I was a young man
studying abysmal economics. Then the
Wall Street Rally proposed an arms
boycott.
RALLY SPEAKER
All of us, our families, our friends, and
everyone we can reach must stop buying
products from the hate-mongering
producers of the high-velocity weapons
fueling mass shootings. Boycott gun
manufacturers. Make them retool or fail.
Make the NRA relent or die.
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
The boycott built on the 2018 high school
demonstrations that began the rollback of
gun culture and propelled many young
people into their first activism. But to
build a meaningful weapons boycott,
activists had to convince gun buyers who
disagreed with us. At MIT, we went from
opposing gun violence to resisting
militarizing campus police to opposing
all campus complicity with war. Not
easy. Some students believed U.S.
intervention was selfless. Other
students said MIT ending war research
would be budgetary suicide.
-- Northeastern strike.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What lessons did you take?
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
I learned how much confidence matters. I
also learned why good people often accept
horrible injustices.
STUDENT 1
American weapons aren't for offense.
They preserve peace.
YOUNG ANDREJ GOLDMAN
Not for offense? Preserve peace? Are
you blind or just heartless?
STUDENT 2
Okay, perhaps you make a good moral case,
but even if you are ethically right, you
can’t win.
STUDENT 2
Maybe not, but eliminate war research
here, and war profiteers will do it
elsewhere. Organize resistance in many
places, and war profiteers will bring it
back somewhere and eventually everywhere.
You can't stop war. Human nature sucks.
We have to play along and get what we
can. I will not be Don Quixote pushing
for peace against intractable war just to
feel moral.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I remember being radical to like myself,
to be liked by my friends, but not to
win. Doubt about winning didn’t only
restrain conservatives.
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
Yes, and while we easily addressed
morals, the hard obstacle was cynicism.
Sometimes college felt like a jaded old
folks home...
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Were there other lessons?
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
When we forced universities to stop
supporting military agendas they
spun off labs as private corporate firms.
That taught us to transcend campuses and
take on private corporations. First MIT,
Stanford, and the University of Michigan.
Then the spinoffs, NSA, and huge arms
manufacturers.
WEAPONS WORKER
After you put us out of work, how do I
feed my kids? Answer me that!
WEAPONS WORKER
You expect me to believe war spending
trumps social spending because building
hi-tech weapons employs fewer people and
avoids empowering workers?
WEAPONS WORKER
But owners are in charge...
YOUNG ANDREJ GOLDMAN
For now, yes they are, but not forever.
GUN ADVOCATE
You are so damn naive. So damn ignorant.
So damn Pollyanna. Escalations happen.
Gun control will bring more deaths.
Killing killers here and abroad is the
only solution. The blood of innocents
will be on your hands.
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
NRA profiteers drove gun policy, but many
grassroots gun and war advocates just
felt social corruption was irreversible.
Violence was unavoidable. The only
defense they saw was a gun of one's own.
We had to establish that society did not
have to be a shooting gallery.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
It reminds me of advocates of coal and
oil. I had to address my papers’
readers’ thoughtfully, not just shout my
feelings and call them fools.
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
Yes, some of the coal and oil advocates
likely felt doom was inevitable so why
not profit now, but those people
literally knew there were alternatives to
pursue. They lacked any remotely ethical
excuse no matter how confused they were.
I am not sure history has any group as
monstrous, risking as much mayhem for
others just to personally frolic in their
private, walled off estates, while the
rest of us suffer the flooded ruins
beyond. Of course we had to stop that.
The RPS task was to prevent global
ecological disasters while winning social
gains as well. At first that meant
seeking a Green and just new deal.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Mayor Hampton, you became an anti-racist
activist, joined RPS, and later Mayor of
New York City. What got you going?
EXT. CHURCH - DA
PASTOR
To take our immigrant families, you will
have to go through our extended family.
Come ahead if you must. Brutalize our
limbs. Shove our beaten bodies aside.
You will not break our spirit.
Pastor and congregants lock arms. Church doors open revealing rows of
congregants who also lock arms. At the pulpit, sheltered families
stand resolute.
CHURCH CHOIR
We shall not be moved, we shall not be
moved...
Two minutes pass. Sheriff and deputies march into the human barrier
striking viciously. Blood flows. Damage spreads. No one runs.
PASTOR
Leave your baton and gun with your fellow
officers outside. Do that, and you are
welcome to talk to the immigrant
families, to me, and to others in our
space of peace and worship within.
SHERIFF
I will no longer recognize federal
orders, or any orders at all, to arrest
immigrants.
Interview continues.
BILL HAMPTON
It was the shortest, longest press
conference ever. Fierce conflict.
Horrible losses in prior years.
(MORE)
BILL HAMPTON (CONT'D)
Other Sheriffs who didn’t budge. Kids
who were separated from parents and
violated. Activists who were beaten and
jailed. Epithets and fear. But San
Antonio Sunday broke the pattern and
brought an end to the blame the
immigrant, beat the immigrant, cage the
immigrant, expel the immigrant era. San
Antonio’s sheriff may or may not have
found his humanity, but either way,
activism won.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I interviewed that sheriff years later
for a retrospective. He cried,
remembering. He had become an RPS
member. But what was your view of cops
back then?
BILL HAMPTON
Before San Antonio, I hated cops. To me,
my family, and my friends, cops spelled
danger, even death. Our way to deal with
cops was to imagine fighting fire with
fire, eye to eye, toe to toe. Call them
pigs, throw a rock, day dream beating
them, but then run like hell. The
sanctuary didn't make me a pacifist, but
I saw nonviolence plus compassion disarm
what would have totally demolished any
attempt to fight back. Divide the
police, defuse the police, finally make
the police allies, and their powerful
paymasters become weak.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about cursing cops?
BILL HAMPTON
It may feel good. But it puts emotion in
command. It angers them. Addressing
cops as fellow citizens puts strategy in
command. It disarms them.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
How did RPS program first emerge?
BILL HAMPTON
A few years earlier, the Bernie Sanders
campaign had program. Black Lives
Matter at first ignored program, but then
brilliantly offered it. Massive women's
marches offered program. Those tried
but, still, dozens of essays addressed
Trump's idiot vile Tweets for every essay
that addressed what to do. But then
activists created local sanctuaries in
churches and universities and even in
some private homes, and program emerged.
INT. CAMPUS CENTER - DAY
STUDENT ACTIVIST
Our sanctuaries teach and celebrate. To
take our friends, you have to take us.
Neither we nor they are going easily.
DEMONSTRATOR ONE
We demand community oversight.
DEMONSTRATOR TWO
Come to our neighborhood meetings to
discuss how to create safer communities
and end racist policing. We want
prisoners to build low-income housing.
We want to fund it with refocussed
military and police budgets.
BILL HAMPTON
Still, most people's responses to program
remained disjointed. A project would
aggressively adopt one aim. Another
project would equally aggressively adopt
a different aim. Few strayed from narrow
priorities to embrace full program.
Activism occurred in isolated silos. You
did this, I did that. We needed
overarching unity.
Interview continues.
BILL HAMPTON
RPS wanted those who focused most on war
to aid those who focused most on
immigration to aid those who focused most
on global warming, resource depletion,
toxic clean-up, tax reform, improving
public spaces, distributing food and
medicine, sexual harassment, police
violence, worker safety, and income
redistribution.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Bill, what do you think hindered greater
activist success before RPS?
Young Bill Hampton and YOUNG CYNTHIA PARKS, 28, housing organizer,
stand together and emotionally address a large student audience. RPS
flag with date drapes the lectern.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I remember getting angry at messengers
reporting movement faults to spur
improvement, but eventually I understood
finding flaws to overcome them and became
just that kind of messenger.
BILL HAMPTON
RPS had to give collective attention to
previously bemoaned but untreated
personal baggage. For that, we allotted
time for everyone to tell their stories.
People were heard. Tears flowed. We
admitted and addressed problems. We felt
less needy and more present. We felt
compassion for each other and realized
our fears weren't ours alone.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
You were in a confrontation at the second
convention, am I right?
BILL HAMPTON
Yes, a group of ex-military proposed we
should arm and train to battle directly
with police.
Seven ex-SOLDIERS in RPS hats and military jerseys occupy the stage
beneath an RPS flag.
WHITE SOLDIER
Rejecting weapons is cowardly. Did Luke
and Han leaflet the Empire? They blew it
up! Overcoming their violence requires
our violence. If we reject weapons, the
uniformed thugs win.
Young Bill Hampton stands, gathers a group, walks up onto the stage -
addresses the SOLDIERS.
YOUNG BILL HAMPTON
Violence would distort our ability to
think straight and is the one contest the
state always wins. To overcome state
violence we must make it ineffective. We
must ensure that their violence
strengthens us. We clearly aren't
cowardly and phony. We clearly aren't on
the side of prosecutors. Are you going
to shoot us because we reject your
argument? Shoot us, or let's go talk
further.
WHITE SOLDIER
The issue isn't just the police. In a
group, one person with a club is a big
problem. Five people with guns are a
huge problem.
WHITE SOLDIER
Maybe you can do that, but you can’t make
violence counterproductive for those
doing it if they are trying to damage RPS
from within. If we were enemies of RPS
things could have gone really badly.
Hell, we could have shot you.
BLACK SOLDIER
What if it is impossible non violently?
Do you then just give up and let crazies
mow you down?
Interview continues.
BILL HAMPTON
We were wise to be cautious. We had a
plan ready for wide discussion and vote,
but we held off until practical evidence
suggested we couldn't do without it.
Meanwhile, I and others quietly worked
with folks on how to deal with local
intruders, drunks, infiltrators, and the
like. State violence, however, we
thwarted the only way possible, by
organizing.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Cynthia, you watched your family lose
their modest home due to unemployment.
Do you remember first becoming radical?
Interview continues.
CYNTHIA PARKS
I watched my father sink into alcohol
soaked depression. I watched my mother
protect the family from poverty and from
my father's illness.
(MORE)
CYNTHIA PARKS (CONT'D)
I remember ice covering the insides of
our windows. I remember resistant mites
and vicious lice. I can still see sewage
backing up in our toilets in my dreams.
Survival was on our minds, not a better
world. But by age twelve, my life was
mapped out though it was years till I
knew who I had become.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Do you remember the start of RPS?
CYNTHIA PARKS
I remember when RPS lacked confidence.
Who were we to undertake such tasks?
Nights of sleepless doubt followed days
of stumbling error. Too few people had
too much work.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Was recruiting hard at first?
NEIGHBOR
Why? You don't stand a chance.
Injustice always wins. Anyhow, what
could I do? How could I matter? Maybe I
can make my family more healthy and
fulfilled, but the whole building? The
whole country? To deny my kids, my
family, just to lose? Not me.
Interview continues.
CYNTHIA PARKS
For my neighbor to be so defeatist... I
felt it was my fault for not conveying
hope. But how could I? Did I even hope?
MIGUEL GUEVARA
(turns to Harriet)
Harriet, how did you get involved in
housing issues?
HARRIET LENNON
In school I met with friends to discuss
ideas. We visited tenants' rights groups
and met many RPS members. I liked them
so I joined. We had two plans.
(MORE)
HARRIET LENNON (CONT'D)
The first was to visit an apartment
complex, hear about issues and problems,
make tentative suggestions, and help
implement modest gains.
YOUNG HARRIET LENNON, 20, housing organizer, talks with tenants, the
POSNERS in their living room.
MRS. POSNER
For two years climbing the stairs has
devastated my husband and hurt me too.
He worked assembly and his
legs are bad. I have tired lungs. It
never occurred to me to ask anyone to
switch, and no one offered.
Interview continues.
HARRIET LENNON
We reached out to student tenants in
buildings where one or more residents
were already in RPS. Next, we approached
families. We were modest but eager. We
listened.
Interview continues.
HARRIET LENNON
We next wondered how to provide housing
for the homeless. Who would build it?
Why would they build it? With what
financing?
SOLDIER
(Incredulous)
You want military bases and prisons to
construct housing?
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Going a step back, when did you become
radical? What caused it?
HARRIET LENNON
At nineteen, in community college, I
heard progressive talks about racism,
sexism, and global warming. I was
sympathetic, but more into music, movies,
and social media. One night I was
talking with a friend who turned out, to
my surprise, to be very radical.
Young Harriet Lennon and COLLEGE FRIEND sit. Beyonce and Angela Davis
posters look on from above.
COLLEGE FRIEND
The Wall Street march was great but we
obviously need more, including on our
campus.
COLLEGE FRIEND
Why not? Why assume indignity? Why
endure harsh circumstances? Why not seek
change?
COLLEGE FRIEND
As a biologist would you assume cancer
was incurable at the outset of seeking
health? As an engineer would you assume
a bridge couldn't span a river at the
outset of trying to connect cities on
either side? Why do you assume
oppression is forever? Why do you favor
failure? Do you fear success?
Interview continues.
HARRIET LENNON
Was I jaded? Did I always see the social
glass half empty? In a semester my
roommate turned me from aggressive cynic
to cautious optimist. I joined RPS.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
(turns to Cynthia)
Cynthia, what drew you to RPS?
CYNTHIA PARKS
My family lost its home when I was eight.
People I knew lost theirs too.
MONTAGE - LIFE
Interview continues.
CYNTHIA PARKS
At times I had rats for roommates. I
felt incredible tension and saw
unforgettable violence. Life was
seriously harsh, but as I got older, I
met folks devoted to preventing evictions
or helping evicted families find new
homes. Experiencing housing activists
helping people and real estate developers
and bankers evicting people decided my
life.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
And turning toward RPS...
CYNTHIA PARKS
Housing organizing required empathy. We
had to be aware. We had to be confident.
We had to utilize means at hand to seek
attainable ends. We had to be patient
with people but impatient with
institutions. it was a good fit...
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about personal difficulties joining
RPS?
CYNTHIA PARKS
Activists I first encountered had lots of
education and were comfortable and
appeared confident. They expected rural
folks who looked, dressed, and talked
like me to defer to them. That made me
unsure, hurt, but also angry. Luckily
some folks tried to not just welcome me
but to learn from my ways of relating.
My redneck activist friends who used gun
culture to reach into rural communities
horrified some lefties but taught others
new ways to reach out. Seeing that made
me realize I could and should contribute.
(MORE)
CYNTHIA PARKS (CONT'D)
The hardest part was always getting from
others, and even my having own allegiance
to something larger and beyond the
immediate moment.
Miguel Guevara queries MARK FEYNMAN 52, in nurse's outfit and BARBARA
BETHUNE, 50, in doctor's gown. Medical poster on wall features quote,
“Do No Harm.”
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Mark, can you tell us how you first got
heavily involved?
MARK FEYNMAN
I went to the first RPS convention as a
working class nurse hostile to doctors’
elitism. I doubted the convention would
even address my concerns, much less
elevate them.
Interview continues.
MARK FEYNMAN
At the convention we celebrated our
emergent program and formed Health Care
Workers United to organize medical
workplaces and win broader health policy
reforms. We investigated and learned
about hospital finances. We attracted
support and initiated positive campaigns.
But before all that, we held some
sessions and invited doctors to one.
Speech continues.
ROTUND DOCTOR
(calls out from audience)
If you are right, why don't more nurses
say so?
SHORT DOCTOR
(calls out from audience)
I read progressive media. I don't see
this concern. Is it just you?
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Mark, what pushed you to ever broader
radicalism?
MARK FEYNMAN
General class anger and also insights
about race and gender played a big role.
But so did my daily circumstances. How
often could I silently see the effects of
pollution, monopoly-priced care,
paternalistic doctoring, and bullet
wounds? How often could I timidly
address overdoses, obesity, hunger, and
addiction? How often could I abet
overuse of antibiotics and rampant
hospital and pharmaceutical profiteering
and not become activist?
Young Mark Feynman and YOUNG LYDIA LUXEMBURG, 73, dressed like 40,
walk, in 2020. Child with red wagon goes by.
YOUNGEST LYDIA LUXEMBURG, 29, and FRIENDS chat. Revolutionary art and
posters overhead.
MALE FRIEND
Sure, go ahead. As long as we can be
done before lunch!
FEMALE FRIEND
Sounds a bit like Dylan...
MALE FRIEND
Great, but how about the enemies we face?
Conversation continues.
MARK FEYNMAN
That is what Lydia could feel in the
sixties and through the seventies.
(MORE)
MARK FEYNMAN (CONT'D)
Looking back, I can see it was RPS
sentiments taking shape. But in the
eighties and nineties, and nearly twenty
years into this century, too, few people
understood such feelings, so she buried
them. For her, the birth of RPS ended a
long emotional coma. She belatedly
became myself again. Do you remember
when the Swedish 16 year old Greta
Thunberg told off the U.S. Congress. I
think in some ways that spurred lots of
emotional awakening.
Interview continues.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Can you tell us of a personally pivotal
event in your RPS days?
PSYCHIATRIST
I don't have to take this from you! You
are purely mental! You have no feelings!
You are uncaring! You are manipulative!
You are controlling! You think you are
so smart, but I am a doctor of the mind!
I am smarter!
Interview continues.
MARK FEYNMAN
How could a trained psychiatrist who
routinely had to maintain his calm in
difficult situations get so hostile over
such an indirect affront? It made me
think about how to communicate about
issues of coordinator class dominance
over workers without polarizing folks.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I often felt the butt end of similar
anger. What did you conclude?
MARK FEYNMAN
I saw the intense emotional insecurity
that drove coordinator class folks to
defend their views of themselves, and I
saw the potential of that inclination to
subvert reason and personal connection.
I saw a person more aware than most about
coordinator class and working class
relations become more polarized and
hostile than people whose views were much
further away from mine. I questioned my
approach.
(MORE)
MARK FEYNMAN (CONT'D)
I suspect a lot of people in RPS had
similar experiences, and our history
suggests we learned from them.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
(Turns to Barbara)
Indeed, I certainly did. Barbara, as a
doctor, were you like that psychiatrist?
How did you feel about nurses?
BARBARA BETHUNE
I disdained. I dismissed. I gave their
concerns lip service and even tried to
support nurses, but I ultimately saw them
as wannabe doctors who couldn't make the
grade. I said I have nurse friends, not
unlike during Jim Crow racism white folks
said they had black friends. I thought
nurses should feel thankful that I
administered them. Yes, I could have
attacked someone like Mark for
challenging me. At the first RPS
convention, I struggled to register
Mark's message. I saw how many notions
he challenged and felt how radicalizing
his words were.
Young Mark Feynman addresses nurses and doctors in meeting room. RPS
flag and sign welcome all to first RPS convention.
Interview continues.
BARBARA BETHUNE
I had heard RPS economic ideas earlier
and deemed them ridiculous. Balance jobs
for empowerment? Give income for
duration, intensity, and onerousness of
work? Self-manage? RPS said those
things, and I thought, Come on. Get
serious. It’s stupidity on steroids. My
view was remove owners, sure, but leave
people like me in charge. But I vividly
remember a moment in the first convention
after the meeting with nurses that so
challenged me. There was a talk about
RPS-type economics and after it ended, I
spoke to the speaker.
YOUNG BARBARA BETHUNE, 29, doctor, walks up to the speaker, Young Lydia
Luxembourg, wearing RPS hat.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Mark, your speech at the convention
occurred not long after Trump’s exit.
Was it connected?
MARK FEYNMAN
The anger of a good part of Trump's
supporters was hostility to a perceived
class enemy. But the class they most
viscerally hated was not capitalists.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Workers didn’t hate capitalists?
MARK FEYNMAN
You have to realize that we workers
rarely if ever personally encounter
owners. On the other hand, we often
encounter doctors, lawyers, accountants,
engineers, and others with highly
empowering jobs, elevated status, and
great wealth. We daily encounter and
obey what we came to call coordinators.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
And that's who you hated?
MARK FEYNMAN
Why not? They routinely treated us like
children. They dressed and talked
differently than us. They enjoyed
different movies and TV. They expected
us to stay out of their way and to follow
their instructions. Everyone hates being
rendered powerless, considered inferior,
and paternalized.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But you had to get essential aid from
coordinators. You had to accept their
arrogance to get the services they offer.
MARK FEYNMAN
Exactly, while our hostility for
managers, doctors, lawyers, and the rest
was warranted, on average we workers
depended on and obeyed coordinators and
humiliatingly even wanted our kids to
become them.
AUDIENCE MEMBER
What's complicated? Racism and sexism
overrode reason. The fault was the
voters warped beliefs.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Barbara, how did you become doctor?
BARBARA BETHUNE
I went to medical school but became
frustrated. After medical school, an
internship pressured me to jump
ridiculous hurdles and accept that I
shouldn't fight the system. I could
whine to friends away from work, we all
did, but I shouldn't challenge employers.
Obeying let me graduate but it also
prepared me to impose similar insanity on
those who came after. Don’t get me
wrong. I cared about patients. I had a
soul. But hospital roles undercut my
intentions.
(MORE)
BARBARA BETHUNE (CONT'D)
To become a doctor I had to fulfill
doctor rituals and defend doctor
privileges. I accepted restraints. I
bludgeoned those below. I sought growing
income.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But then you resisted?
BARBARA BETHUNE
Yes, I began to see interning as
sophisticated hazing. To test my
impression I even visited a military boot
camp and watched new soldiers undergo
training.
Interview continues.
BARBARA BETHUNE
Boot camp includes learning to shoot, to
work together, to handle danger, just
like interning includes useful medical
learning, but boot camp mainly produces
soldiers ready, willing, and sometimes
even eager to kill on command. Boot camp
educates recruits to ask no questions.
It removes social and moral resistance.
Boot camp graduates unquestioningly
fulfill their roles.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
And that reminded you of interning?
BARBARA BETHUNE
Interning creates doctors who defend huge
salaries against any challenge regardless
of the health implications for patients
and society. Doctors who abet
pharmaceutical profit-seeking by
promoting excessive opioid use. Doctors
who denigrate nurses and exclude them
from medical decisions at the expense of
patient well being. Doctors who defend
incredibly inflated incomes by using
excessively exclusionary medical school
practices to keep down the number of
doctors. I became curious so I looked
and found similar dynamics for lawyers...
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Becoming a lawyer was also like basic
training? You could have looked at
journalism.
BARBARA BETHUNE
Yes, training for all empowered
professions conveys skills, knowledge,
and confidence, but it also trains
recipients to use their knowledge on
behalf of themselves and those above at
the expense of those below.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But surely doctors, lawyers, and
journalists try to be ethical?
BARBARA BETHUNE
Yes, but without challenging their role
assignments because we believe
challenging our roles would change
nothing and incur personal loss. We
doctors deliver medicine to the sick if
treating them won’t disrupt hospital
hierarchies. We don’t address the
underlying causes of sickness. Role
structures in hospitals, like in
churches, law firms, corporate board
rooms, TV networks, and political parties
induce going along to get along.
Rejecting one's role seems impossible.
Complying with one's role morphs from
something we do under duress to who we
are. We don’t see ourselves as hijacking
our skills. We see ourselves as innately
better. Someone who retains sufficient
humanity to resist seems saint-like or
crazy. And the same class logic holds
for lawyers, journalists, and all
empowered workers.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
So what changed?
BARBARA BETHUNE
When we went to the convention, we met
other medical workers from around the
country and realized we had fewer
differences than we feared. We shared
stories and discussed changes to fight
for. Habit and fear gave way to
innovation and hope.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What plans emerged?
BARBARA BETHUNE
Seeking comprehensive single payer health
care, fighting misuse of medicines,
bringing doctors to poor locales,
empowering nurses, changing the income
and decision-making structure of the
profession, and agitating for more
responsible food policies and more
healthful ecological policies and
work conditions.
Interview continues.
BARBARA BETHUNE
The practices we unearthed were
nauseating, but we were even more shocked
to discover that most people found
grotesque medical malfeasance
unsurprising.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Everybody knew?
BARBARA BETHUNE
Not the details but, yes, everybody knew
so we realized we mainly needed to
convince people medical malfeasance
wasn’t inevitable. We brought class
action suits wherein young claimants
fought misuse of mood-altering
medications. Elderly claimants fought
companies trying to grab all their
savings by entrapping them in fruitless
and often horribly harmful and useless
life extending therapies. Those addicted
to opioids fought pharmaceutical drug
dealing. Everyone fought the overuse of
antibiotics that risked pandemics.
EXT. RALLY AT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY - DAY
BARBARA BETHUNE
My other focus was challenging elitist
dynamics inside hospitals and health care
generally. Workplace racism and sexism
had been addressed with considerable
progress, particularly by the then recent
#MeToo and Black Lives Matter movements,
but workplace class division had barely
been addressed at all. We got people to
talk at meetings. We sought greater
income, more influence, and access to
more skills for nurses. The trick was to
fight for immediate gains in ways
developing commitment to a larger vision
for the future.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Celia Curie, can you tell us how you
first became radical?
CELIA CURIE
My father's brother raped me when I was
fifteen. I didn't tell anyone. I was
afraid and thought it was my fault. The
fallout of me speaking up would have been
horrendous for my dad and for my uncle's
family. Afterward, I did research on the
internet, alone, to learn more about
rape. I became indebted to many feminist
writers who opened my door to radicalism.
(MORE)
CELIA CURIE (CONT'D)
Horrors like being raped, watching a
loved one killed, having a parent jailed
or ravaged by unemployment, alcohol, or
drugs dominates many peoples' early
memories. Such harms can cripple but
also educate and inspire.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Just ten years later RPS was percolating,
and Hollywood RPS got going. Do you
remember how it started?
CELIA CURIE
The first Hollywood chapter got going
when some actors met to discuss how they
might relate to RPS. It was shortly
after the first convention and we took a
few meetings to settle on joining.
YOUNG CELIA CURIE, 27, Hollywood actress, meets with group of actors in
an enormous, ornate living room. One wall is all window overlooking a
massive deck with a huge pool. Beyond that floats the Pacific. Fancy
artwork adorns all walls.
Interview continues.
CELIA CURIE
It started with eleven people. Seven were
women who had been active in #MeToo.
Joining RPS was a little like deciding to
relate to a film. We read a text. We
assessed participants. We evaluated
aims. We joined. We began reaching out
to others in Hollywood to join RPS.
Young Celia Curie walks and talks with ACTOR. HAPPY CHILD crosses
their path. SAD DRUNK slumps on bench.
ACTOR
Why should I address what I would rather
ignore? It would cost time.
(MORE)
ACTOR (CONT'D)
It would alienate producers. And what
would I do, other than talk?
Interview continues.
CELIA CURIE
Like everyone, the roles I occupied in
society largely determined who I was by
the requirements they imposed on me.
However, after joining RPS, though
Hollywood’s daily pressures, contracts,
media machinations, and expectations
still pushed and pulled me, RPS became
who I was at a more basic level than the
rest.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Didn't obstacles intimidate you? I
remember fearing for my career as a
journalist when I started supporting RPS,
and at the same time doubting our
potential, wondering if I was risking all
for nothing.
CELIA CURIE
I don't know how to explain our reaction
to obstacles other than to say it wasn't
a time to hesitate. We had to agitate to
make the change we wanted. We feared
high water everywhere. But I suspect the
earlier rise of feminist and anti-racist
demands among actors and their successes
spurred our can-do mindset.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
So what emerged?
CELIA CURIE
First, we assembled courses about current
society, better society, and
possibilities of the film industry. As
actors we were used to studying a lot
before performing, so this step came
easily. Second, we uncovered and
publicized the pay rates of everyone in
Hollywood and then agitated for more
equitable relations. You can imagine how
hard doing that was and how it went over,
but with informed persistence we went
from our appearing crazy to those
defending old ways appearing greedy.
(MORE)
CELIA CURIE (CONT'D)
Third, we pressured local media producers
to give space and tools to grassroots
participants and we created short films
and later some full-length ones promoting
RPS ideas and program. This was in our
wheelhouse.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Do you remember the meeting where you
first got together?
CURIE
I remember we met at a famous actor's
house. The setting was a bit
intimidating.
HOST ACTOR
We should do as we have done, publicly
favor candidates, hold funding events for
candidates. Give the candidates money.
Help them win. For us to do less is not
enough.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What opposition did you face?
CELIA CURIE
The biggest obstacle was artists'
incredible elitism.
Young Celia Curie talks with TALL ACTOR, walking past a setting for a
military scene.
TALL ACTOR
We are unlike other workers. We should
enjoy incomes commensurate to our talent.
Having to do any shit work, like you
favor with your nonsense about balancing
empowering work, would sap our focus. We
are special.
YOUNG CELIA CURIE
Artists are creative, of course, but so
are scientists, doctors, designers, and
builders, and with training and new jobs,
everyone could be creative for part of
their work. Saying actors, directors, or
other art workers shouldn't do a fair
share of rote work implies others who do
creative tasks also shouldn't. It says
twenty percent of all those who work
should do only empowering work and eighty
percent should do only disempowering
work.
TALL ACTOR
Yes, and why not? Doing rote work would
cut into our creativity. Why lose
creativity for some kind of needless
correctness?
TALL ACTOR
Even if that was true, it's insane to
think the public should plan art. We
plan it. The public likes it or not. We
know what’s creative, what we can do, how
we can do it. Negotiating art as part of
an economic plan, the RPS way, would mean
I do what others decide. That would end
art.
TALL ACTOR
What if they don't want what we do? No
more films?
TALL ACTOR
But not everyone is equally creative,
writes equally, can equally convey
emotions and passion on screen, or in
text, or music, or a painting. Not
everyone is equally smart, fast, or
strong either. We are born different.
TALL ACTOR
Of course education and training matter.
But even if you had way more of each, you
wouldn't be the actor I am.
TALL ACTOR
If you celebrate differences, why in its
vision does RPS try to level us by having
everyone do a fair share of rote tasks?
TALL ACTOR
But we contribute more. People love our
product. It brightens lives. It enriches
souls. We should earn more.
YOUNG CELIA CURIE
First, current differences in income
don’t mainly reflect different talent but
past power and luck. More, providing
rewards for excelling is neither
necessary nor just. Celebrate
excellence, sure but also advance
material equity and social solidarity.
Admire genius but also foster
participation.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I want to get into the details of RPS
aims soon, but even now, can you tell us
how RPS success would alter future
artistry?
CELIA CURIE
The audience for artistic work will grow
due to people having more time for
enjoyment, appreciation, and
inspiration, but artistic workers, like
all others, will receive equitable
incomes and enjoy a fair mix of tasks in
industries that relate to the will of
both workers and consumers. Society will
celebrate great artists, but it will not
excessively enrich them.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Will creativity decline?
CELIA CURIE
I would guess we will have fewer special
effects, less emphasis on the psyches and
mayhem of murderers, and more creativity.
However, high levels of excellent art
will not be our only criteria of
judgement. Miguel, no doubt you have
encountered similar issues in journalism.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Almost identical.
YOUNG MARK FEYNMAN, 29, in jeans, teaching ACTORS at actors RPS School.
RPS flag hangs above.
BALD ACTOR
Okay, no. I would take into account
those working, the environment, those
receiving product, and those not
receiving other products that could have
been produced instead. I get that.
BALD ACTOR
I still worry the lost contribution from
highly talented folks doing some rote
tasks won't be offset by previously rote
workers doing some creative tasks. Rote
workers lack the needed talent.
BALD ACTOR
How can you be so sure those now doing
only rote work could do empowering work
successfully? It sounds like wishful
thinking. You want it. You assert it.
You’re deluding yourself.
YOUNG MARK FEYNMAN
Whatever our inborn differences, the
overriding fact is that society represses
eighty percent of the population into
seeming ill-equipped for empowering
involvement. We don’t genetically lack
sufficient creativity to participate.
Society's pliers crush it out of us.
BALD ACTOR
Saying that is so doesn’t make it so. I
want to fly, but I don't say I can. I
would like to be a composer, but wanting
that doesn’t cause it.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
When you attended your first Hollywood
meeting, you weren't yet revolutionary.
What brought you the rest of the way?
CELIA CURIE
The literature I was reading taught me a
lot, but we all tend to become what we do
so when our group got revolutionary, I
did too. But I think the main thing was
that folks in RPS learned to disagree
without taking for granted they were
right. Our emphasis became learning
something new, not defending what we
previously said. Instead of taking
pleasure in calling someone wrong and
dismissing her by angry assertion, RPS
folks learned to want to find what was
right even when it meant we were wrong.
(MORE)
CELIA CURIE (CONT'D)
We based our image of ourselves on our
readiness to change, not on staying
unchanged. Conversations happened.
Accommodations occurred. Truth trumped
oneupmanship. That, for me, was being
revolutionary.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
When did you begin to feel the struggle
was assured of victory?
CELIA CURIE
When we made our first RPS movie. It was
way more radical than most films. It was
not a technical extravaganza, not a
thriller, not a mystery, not an
exploration of murder and mayhem, not a
celebration of psychosis, not a requited
or unrequited love story, not a cartoon,
not a comedy. It wasn't horror,
dystopian, or utopian. It wasn't about
aliens coming to us or our visiting them.
It wasn't a coming of age or a becoming
senile story. It had no overgrown
animals, super heroes, or pathological
villains, no trial, no crime. No one
dying. No one being saved. It wasn’t a
remake, a sequel or prequel. It fit no
template. It had no big star overcoming
personal trauma and deadly danger. It
featured a task: to win a new society.
It had obstacles to overcome: systemic
power and prejudiced habits from the
past. But it was idea-driven. The
process was protagonist. The star was
future history. Imagine giving an Oscar
to future history.
(pauses in thought)
Yet, first two and then more Hollywood a-
listers took a risky step away from
established conventions to sign on and
make it happen and this told me the film
industry was broadening out. We offered
social substance and out-of-the-box
structure and Hollywood signed on and
gave the screenplay’s participants
distinctive voices and personalities that
the initial screenplay lacked. After our
movie, the subsequent Hollywood marches
sealed my confidence of winning.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I hope it’s okay if I ask you a personal
question about acting. You have been
considered beautiful all your life. What
place do you think beauty had in
Hollywood’s past and should have in its
future?
CELIA CURIE
Growing up, I was considered beautiful.
None of us can easily see that in
ourselves, but we can see it in others.
Sometimes a person's beauty can mesmerize
and even addict. But in a horribly
sexist society, there is more to it.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What does beauty do to a person?
CELIA CURIE
Very young I learned behaviors that got
me things I wanted. I didn't understand
why, but I noticed how smiling and being
flirty affected people. The behaviors
became part of who I was. I got
confidence but my personality warped and
I got mired in feelings of entitlement
and suffered guilt.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
And later?
CELIA CURIE
There was harassment and violation and
Hollywood exaggerated such dynamics.
Beauty has been bankable for women, and
for men too. And what has been bankable
has been cultivated and sought, but also
discarded when it fades. Beautiful women
and men were hired and, if you could
perform reasonably well and didn't
alienate producers, you could have a
career, at least until your looks faded.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
So, how do you judge it?
CELIA CURIE
I was eyeballed, hit on, and sexually
fantasized in many people's daily lives.
Producers fostered it. Even aside from
being harassed, think about knowing that
thousands and maybe even millions imagine
doing things with or to you. You know
everyone undervalues everything else you
are. Getting beyond that requires help
but who can you trust? We should
eliminate beauty-based objectification,
but also beauty-based reward.
(pauses, thinking)
Suppose someone is born stupendously
strong, fantastically fast, ridiculously
reflexed, or brilliantly brainy. RPS
says she should not be able to turn her
genetic luck into wealth, power, or
unfair circumstances. But we still
admire great reflexes and fast, clear
thinking, and we know that having those
attributes means we can do some things
which, without them, we could not do.
So, though it makes me nervous, shouldn't
that also apply to appearance? In
existing societies, special traits,
features, qualities, or talents all
convey both benefits and debits. The sex
overlay gives appearance an added
dimension, but any special quality
conveys advantages, pressures, options,
rewards, and costs. So I think in a new
society being lucky in the genetic
lottery should not convey material
advantage, greater say in society, or
freedom from responsibility. Nor should
it impose denials or abuse.
Miguel Guevara queries LYDIA LUXEMBURG, 93, still dressed like 40, life-
long feminist activist. Poster of Noam Chomsky giving a talk and one
of Bob Dylan and Joan Baez singing together at Woodstock look on.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Lydia, how did you become radical?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
(pensive, wistful)
In college in the 1960s, I got caught up
in the politics of the times. I hated
violence in Indochina. I hated sexism in
society and in the Left itself. I
rejected women being targets to bomb,
icons to rape, ornaments to parade, or
servants to do tasks men wished to avoid.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But you were in position to be a
beneficiary of wealth and power, not a
victim. Why didn’t you grab what you
could?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
I am not the best self-analyst around but
I would say it was partly moral outrage
and partly a sense of solidarity with
others. I remember feeling more at one
with the Vietnamese and with Mississippi
Blacks than with the New York jet set.
The sixties birthed a set of communal
rather than loner attitudes and desires.
The wealth and power we were supposed to
sell out for repulsed me. Activism
attracted me. Imagine a vegetarian
offered a year’s supply of steaks to
ignore the hunger others were suffering.
The bribe would be no bribe at all. The
truth is, I did grab what I wanted, self
respect.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
When RPS was emerging, you were fifty
years into a lifetime of activism. Did
you feel vindicated?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
I felt some of us knew what was needed 50
years earlier. I was ecstatic it was
happening but I was tormented by how many
lives were diminished by my not
communicating better earlier.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What ideas attracted you to RPS?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Before RPS I looked at the world through
a filter that highlighted certain
relations but blurred others. I saw
gender permeating workplaces but didn't
see class and race permeating families.
RPS's holistic demand to equally
highlight all of life’s defining parts
felt false. I feared if we didn't
elevate kinship above the rest, sexist
men would peripheralize women. Later I
realized RPS was adding more focuses
without diminishing mine.
AUDIENCE MEMBER
Come on. We can tell what's more or less
important...
AUDIENCE MEMBER
Surely we can avoid that.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What was the second RPS innovation that
attracted you?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
To be in an economy, you have to work,
buy, and sell. To be in a religion, you
have to relate to its church or other
structures. To be in a family, you have
to be a mother, father, brother, or
sister. In other words, to benefit from
any institution, you have to comply with
whatever roles define that institution.
If you are a nurse, a congressperson, a
priest, a bricklayer, a short-order cook,
a teacher, a journalist, or a mayor,
(MORE)
LYDIA LUXEMBURG (CONT'D)
to gain benefits you have to behave
consistent with your role in the
institutions you navigate. Oppressive
institutions oppress. Corrupt
institutions corrupt. To get along, we
do what our situations require and then
most often become what we do. This is
true in family, mall, church, prison,
government, corporation, military, media,
or criminal cartel.
Interview continues.
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Early in RPS I visited a worker-run glass
factory in Cleveland. Workers bemoaned
their new circumstances deteriorating
back toward what they earlier knew.
Interview continues.
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Activists didn't need years of study to
see the situation but its very simplicity
ran afoul of Left academics.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Come on. They didn't like that it was
simple? That’s sad, but familiar.
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
For RPS members to speak plainly and
advocate simple insights upset left
academics who routinely worked hard to
use long sentences and obscure words. It
may sound perverse, but after a time we
realized that when your status, income,
and power spring from having a monopoly
on empowering circumstances,
(MORE)
LYDIA LUXEMBURG (CONT'D)
defending your status, income, and power
depends on making sure your information
and skills remain inaccessible to people
beneath you.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Academics didn't like spreading skills?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
They didn't like us criticizing their
monopolizing empowering work
which included not liking our
demystifying the verbal gibber jabber
that justified their doing so.
Nonetheless, regardless of academics
attacking us, our simple ideas were not
only accessible, they were intensely
practical. It was a long battle with
earlier origins, but a simple lesson
gained ground. If you don't pay close
attention to choices about institutions
and roles, some seemingly inevitable
choice you take for granted can subvert
your best intentions. Retaining the old
division of labor was just such a choice.
That lesson forever affected me.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Peter, do you remember your
radicalization?
PETER CABRAL
As a boy, I lived with needles and guns.
Gangs promised income and protected. A
drive-by shooting killed a friend of
mine. After that, I visited relatives in
jail, witnessed a few trials, and saw an
incarceration parade. I got arrested,
but it wasn't anger at my wrongful jail
term that made me political. It was that
for the guards and owners, prison was
about control and profit. For inmates,
it was about surviving and becoming a
more effective criminal. Prison taught
crime. Rhetoric about prison I
previously ignored became reality I
lived. I could accept my lot as a
criminal and make the best of it, or I
could reject my lot and find a different
road. I rejected and ran from crime
toward activism.
Prisoners gather and talk. YOUNG PETER CABRAL, 42, in prison, listens.
PETER CABRAL (V.O.
I attended a meeting in the prison yard
with a friend. I met new people, and was
provoked. I went to another meeting. It
took time to undo old biases. I had been
arrested on trumped up charges when I was
about to enter the big leagues, and after
six years my incarceration was
overturned. I knew innocents jailed on
trumped up charges, or due to
bureaucratic pressure, racism, and laws
that punish victimless crimes.
Interview continues.
PETER CABRAL
We challenged the behavior of guards and
rules for visiting and for our having
books and internet access. We demanded
our own classes and sought good wages,
conditions, and other rights. It wasn't
easy talking with inmates whose mindsets
were cautious, hostile, and violent.
(MORE)
PETER CABRAL (CONT'D)
It wasn’t easy diminishing racial
hostility. Nonetheless, our strike spread
to other prisons and attracted enormous
outside support.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Why couldn’t the prison silence you?
PETER CABRAL
It wasn't that the guards couldn't
brutalize us into submission. They
could, and they did, often. Our success
was that we didn't fight back. Our
restraint not only won us tremendous
support from outside, it limited the
violence. We would back off, seemingly
lose, and within days be back on strike.
Like Cool Hand Luke, a prison favorite,
we got knocked down but then got back up
over and over. But we took Luke one
better. We didn't individually
heroically escape our hell only to be
repeatedly hauled back. We collectively
repeatedly attacked our hell so in the
end there would be no hell to haul anyone
back to.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Can I ask, do you miss baseball?
PETER CABRAL
In a better world... but I was born in
this one. And you, soccer?
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Yes, I miss it, I watch a lot.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Noam Carmichael, I wonder if you remember
first becoming radical?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
In 2001 I was old enough to get a vague
sense for the change in my situation due
to my religion and appearance. I was
radicalized by trying to understand and
oppose Islamaphobia. Doing so made me
feel one with others. When I got to
college my roommate took one look and I
could feel his fear. For weeks we worked
through that until we became good
friends. I would guess that had we not
dealt with our tensions he would later
have voted for Trump.
(MORE)
NOAM CARMICHAEL (CONT'D)
I learned we had to listen to one another
and work through biases. If we didn't -
much less if we denigrated one another -
we would become enemies.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Can you remember a personally important
event you experienced during the rise of
RPS?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
I often taught in RPS Schools for
Organizers. There were many such schools
focused on society's ills, movement
building, vision of what could be, and
how to attain the desired future.
Sometimes on a campus, sometimes in a
workplace, sometimes in an apartment
complex. Sometimes the schools were for
people in some industry, like the
Hollywood schools that began in 2022 and
propelled the whole extended project.
The schools typically ran for at least a
week and included classes, discussions,
and time to socialize. About two-thirds
in, after we reached a level of trust and
positive energy, we would have a night
session to answer the question, what is
responsible for your being here to learn
about revolutionizing society? Some
people would tell about first reading
some author and the eye-opening effect it
had on them. Or, some would tell of a
first rally or march launching them into
activism. But many other stories
featured tears and trauma.
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Sometimes it was less extreme: I was
bullied, or I was a bully. I was
cheated, or I cheated. People no one
expected to tell such stories said
publicly what had earlier been private.
The suffering they reported cemented my
radical commitments. Their stories made
me more of a listener than I had been
before. I learned that what went unsaid
was often profoundly important.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
How did race impact RPS?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
The direct implication had been well
known for a long time. An activist
organization had to welcome and benefit
from diverse racial communities. We had
to elevate diverse communities to
leadership and predominant say over their
own affairs.
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Minority communities suffered low-income,
little influence, and great danger. But
focusing exclusively on race overlooked
other matters. We had to add to race, a
gender, class, and authority focus, and
vice versa.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I remember a conflict in which you played
a role. It was who should organize whom?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
I attended an early RPS-sponsored meeting
about an antiracist campaign.
Experienced blacks and women rejected
having to organize white people or men.
The formulation had been repeated so
forcefully, so emotively, and for so many
years, that it had become virtually
unchallengeable.
INT. RPS PLANNING MEETING - DAY
NOAM CARMICHAEL
The more I thought about it, the more I
felt the main issue was did we believe we
could win or were we just hammering out a
stance that felt comfortable and made
modest gains without seeking long-term
goals? I wasn't saying that blacks - or
women in the parallel case - should spend
all their time talking with intractable
white racists or male sexists. But I was
saying that often blacks and women know
more and can better motivate what they
know about race and gender than can
whites or men.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
So the right calculus wasn't how much of
a burden it was to do that, but how
necessary was doing that?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Yes, and the same held for white
activists organizing white working and
rural people instead of only urbanites
and students.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
RPS also jettisoned attacking “white skin
privilege,” and you pursued that battle
too, right?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Privilege implies having something you
should renounce, but when folks called
out white privilege they mentioned safety
from abuse, enjoying access and
influence, and getting fair treatment.
Talking about renouncing white privilege
made poor whites think our aim was to
take basic things away from them rather
than to guarantee to everyone those
things and much more.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about communication issues?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Just preceding RPS, academic leftists
felt we were missing nearly
incomprehensible ideas that needed to be
discovered by way of nearly unreadable
texts. So they wrote nearly
incomprehensible ideas in unreadable
texts. Even if they had merit, which I
admit I doubted, they were useless
anyhow.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Maybe they just wrote to prop themselves
up and make themselves seem worthy with
pompous language?
NOAM CARMICHAEL
Perhaps, but whatever their reason, the
real problem wasn't too few obscure
ideas. It was that already known clear
ideas were not reaching large audiences.
So RPS sought better ways to spread
existing insights and vision. We
involved ever more people in refining,
employing, and implementing thoughts in
their own words. We didn't compromise
content. We clarified it. We went from
activism made obscure by academia to
academia renovated by activism.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
I remember another controversy having to
do with issues of solidarity and their
implications for being true to one's
views...
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What’s RPS’s political vision?
AUDIENCE MEMBER
But if everyone influences, we won't
elevate the best decision-makers.
AUDIENCE MEMBER
Me?
AUDIENCE MEMBER
You exaggerate to make the choice go your
way.
AUDIENCE MEMBER
You make it sound like everyone will
abide every norm...
AUDIENCE MEMBER
(outraged)
Police? Are you kidding? Fuck that!
AUDIENCE MEMBER
I would fight it...
AUDIENCE MEMBER
You bet I would, which is why I will quit
RPS if it retains policing as part of
its vision.
YOUNG BERTRAND DELLINGER
RPS believes a vastly renovated police
function is valid, and also that police,
with all their violent faults, are better
approached as potential allies than
inevitable enemies. In the future,
violations of social norms are not all
going to magically disappear and dealing
with them most effectively and safely
requires people with special training and
job requirements, not least community
involvement and balanced job complexes to
enforce their civility. We wouldn’t say
people should pilot themselves without
special training and responsibilities. We
shouldn’t say people should police
themselves without special training and
responsibilities. So are today's police
enemies beyond reason or potential allies
to be organized? Should we treat police
like vicious animals, or attack the
system that denies their better
instincts?
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Lydia, what’s RPS’s kinship vision?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Even in a wonderful society, I might love
someone who did not love me. Previously
strong ties could wither. Rape and other
violent acts might still occur. Social
change won't eliminate the pain of losing
friends and relatives to premature death.
Adults will not all suddenly be equally
adept at relating with children. But
while it can't eliminate all that, RPS
says new kinship can reduce it all and at
least end male domination.
STUDENT
Are you saying we should have no
mothering versus fathering, just
parenting?
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
How did this belief get beyond the
classroom?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Throughout history, including in our own
upbringing, women mothered and men
fathered. To change that would put our
children’s lives at stake. We would get
no do-overs. Nonetheless, first
feminists made our own home life more
fair, then RPS addressed surrounding
institutions. For example, to have
genderless parenting we had to have
parental leave for newborn care, not
leave for women only.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about views of family?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Long before RPS many feminists argued the
nuclear family was a problem. Should
child care and home-life rest on only one
or two biological parents, or involve
relatives, friends, and even community
members?
MIGUEL GUEVARA
You didn’t suggest requiring such
things...
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
RPS rejects legislating how people live
but we do urge that chosen patterns
should foster gender equity, broaden the
care-taking children enjoy, and enlarge
children's participation in
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LYDIA LUXEMBURG (CONT'D)
judgements. Children should not only
become capable and confident, but
unconstrained by narrow feminine or
masculine molds.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about sexuality? And relations
among generations?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
No one knows what fully liberated
sexuality will provide or all the diverse
forms of intergenerational
responsibilities adults, children, and
elders will share. What sex-gender
patterns - monogamous and not, hetero,
homo, bi-sexual, or trans? What
transformed caregiving institutions -
families, schools, and other spaces for
children as well as for adults and the
elderly. But we do know actors of all
ages, genders, and preferences will
engage in non-oppressive consensual
relations, free from stigma.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about bringing up children, as a
revolutionary?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Nowadays, with RPS ascendant, a young
parent who favors RPS is just honest and
open. We give children room to be what
they will, and children typically come to
favor RPS. But earlier when one was
revolutionary against the grain of
society and of the child's school and
schoolmates, and even the child’s other
relatives and culture, things were
harder.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
How did people deal?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Some of us put our views upfront and
actively tried to convey our hoped for
values. Others deemphasized their views
to avoid imposing. Way back when I was
young, even in the most supportive
families most kids knew nearly nothing of
their parents deepest desires and beliefs
- even what their work entailed, what
their hopes were - and that stayed
largely true until very recently. And
kids reciprocated so we had superficial
communication in both directions. Aloof
love, you might call it. Even when well-
intended it was typically disastrous.
(MORE)
LYDIA LUXEMBURG (CONT'D)
Just another dimension of life in
developed capitalist, consumerist society
that will die unmourned.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Bill, beyond having a vision of feminist
future relations to motivate activism and
spur hope, why was having powerful
feminist program essential for RPS?
BILL HAMPTON
Regarding society, when RPS emerged,
women still earned way less than men for
the same work. Women's health was still
manipulated. Women still feared night on
the streets, suffered vicious harassment
online, and lacked attentive audiences.
Harassment at work was viral. Sexism was
way less prevalent than decades earlier,
but far from gone.
-- RPS teach-in.
BILL HAMPTON
In RPS, we enacted daycare at all
organizational gatherings with a proviso
that staffing should immediately be at
least half male. We legislated that
public speaking at our events, marches,
teach-ins, and meetings, and leadership
for our events always had to be at least
fifty percent female. When women were
not available or were not felt to be
prepared by prior experience to
accomplish the tasks, we had to redress
that imbalance with training and
practice. The new norm was simple:
correct gender imbalance or don't
proceed. Movement women organized
themselves. They didn't care about happy
smiles and promises. They weren't
appeased by men saying have a nice day.
They were ready to resist.
About 60 women and 100 men discuss an action. Young Bill Hampton is
chairing. Suddenly the door opens and 20 more women march in and stand
in front, arms locked...
YOUNG LYDIA LUXEMBURG
Bill, sit down... Thank you.
From now on all meetings will have at
least fifty percent women handling
organization and being chair and at least
fifty percent women addressing topics
raised. If you don't want to comply,
that’s fine, but you will have to hold
your meeting over unrelenting disruption.
Interview continues.
BILL HAMPTON
Previous anti-sexist efforts typically
polarized men, and even recalcitrant
women. RPS attacked structures, but
empathized with men. We organized but
didn’t antagonize. In fact, up until
fully transforming institutions, that has
been RPS's approach regarding overcoming
sexism and also racism and classism.
Change relations sustainably, mutually
supportively, deeply, but change now.
INT. RPS CLASS - DAY
MALE STUDENT
If men earn more, they will dominate.
FEMALE STUDENT
If in dating, courting, and raising
children, men and women have different
roles, they will arrive at different
dispositions.
Guevara queries Peter Cabral about culture vision. They pass a dog-
running section of a park.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Peter, what about culture vision?
PETER CABRAL
RPS says we need to appreciate the
historical contributions of different
communities more than ever before. We
need to guarantee cultures greater rather
than lesser means for further
development.
STUDENT
That’s what guarantees every community
can carry on its traditions and self-
definitions?
MIGUEL GUEVARA
But is reaching that goal possible?
PETER CABRAL
Difficult, yes, which is why until a
lengthy history of autonomy and
solidarity overcomes suspicion and fear,
we need to make it incumbent on more
powerful communities to unilaterally de-
escalate disputes they have with less
powerful communities.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What about violations?
ANDREJ GOLDMAN
RPS economics must produce desired goods
and services, but also desirable self-
management, equity, solidarity, and
diversity. Workplace and community
councils will give each actor a say
proportionate to the impact of the
decided issue on them. In capitalist
corporations, twenty percent of employees
do work that enlarges their confidence,
social skills, knowledge of the
workplace, and initiative. Eighty
percent do work that reduces their
confidence, social skills, and knowledge,
and exhausts them. RPS calls the twenty
percent the coordinator class and the
eighty percent the working class.
FEMALE STUDENT
What about income? What is responsible?
What works?
MALE STUDENT
What about allocation?
YOUNG ANDREJ GOLDMAN
RPS rejects competitive or authoritarian
allocation and instead advocates
cooperative negotiation among workers and
consumers. Worker and consumer councils
enter their desires and steadily update
their offers in light of others' offers.
Community and industry agencies summarize
information. Workers and consumers
assess costs and benefits and learn of
new jobs and products to self-manage
production and consumption in light of
personal, social, and environmental costs
and benefits and accordingly adapt their
offers.
Interview Continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Were there objections from inside RPS?
INT. RPS ASSEMBLY HALL - DAY
Young Andrej Goldman talks with skeptical RPS MEMBERS, including YOUNG
ANTON ROCKER, 33, dressed in work outfit.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Anton, where do we stand regarding new
workplaces?
ANTON ROCKER
I remember a trip to Columbus Ohio. I
arrived and was given a tour of an
occupied workplace.
Interview continues.
ANTON ROCKER
Even now, I wonder what caused that
mindset. Perhaps hopelessness, but the
view came from people who had great hope,
at least for themselves.
(MORE)
ANTON ROCKER (CONT'D)
Maybe they sought to avoid clashing with
relatives and friends, even if clashing
could open a path to greater well-being.
Whatever its cause, if that approach had
persisted, each transformed workplace
would be isolated. We had to overcome
workers’ reticence to reach out.
Discussion continues.
Interview continues.
ANTON ROCKER
Before RPS we had nearly 30 million small
businesses in the U.S. About 20,000,
which sounds like a lot but is less than
a tenth of a percent, had more than 500
employees. Today I would guess we have
perhaps 5 million well established RPS
small businesses, and another 5 million
that will join the RPS count without much
more change. And RPS ideas battle for
influence in nearly all the rest. We
have about 3,000 500-person-or-more RPS-
oriented workplaces and another 4,000
undergoing major struggles - and all
20,000 have RPS-style campaigns with
growing degrees of council organization.
All over society, momentum is now ours.
It comes from workers forming into
councils, striking, winning gains, and
finally occupying and taking over firms,
with each step prodding and helping the
next.
BERTRAND DELLINGER
As RPS was being born, universities and
schools still housed dull drill,
extinguished feelings, narrowed visions,
and diminished motivations.
BERTRAND DELLINGER
(Furious at students)
I can't usefully lecture. You text,
email, watch videos, listen to music, and
browse. You click, click, click. You
shift focus so habitually you avoid
serious, sustained, attention. You
aren't multi-taskers. You are flitters.
Why are you even here? Why am I even
here? If I content to try to reach you,
it only adds to the electronic doo-dad
dynamic of your flitting from thing to
thing. We are of course all born
ignorant, but you are making yourselves
stupid by your faulty choices.
Interview continues.
MONTAGE - SCHOOLING
-- Home schooling.
-- Neighborhood school.
Interview continues.
BERTRAND DELLINGER
Public school teachers, community college
teachers, and especially grad students at
many colleges and universities, were,
like nurses in hospitals, eager to be
productive workers of a new self-managing
kind. Massive teacher strikes preceded
RPS and paved the way for teacher
activism extending into community life.
Minds changed.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Okay, so what is the RPS attitude to
schooling?
BERTRAND DELLINGER
We realized having education generate
confident, capable adults required having
a society that needs confident, capable
adults. We decided better education
required students, teachers, and families
seeking better results in their current
or new schools while also seeking a new
future for society.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Where has it led?
MONTAGE - SCHOOLS
BERTRAND DELLINGER
Gains have included vastly increased
involvement of communities in schooling
and in night-time occupational and
community programs in thousands of
schools all over the country. Before
long, we wondered, why ask permission?
The schools are there. We should just go
in and use them. And so we did. Police
would kick us out, but within days we
would just go back. Soon we invited
police to take and sometimes even teach
courses, which did wonders for dimming
their ardor for repressing our takeovers
and even gained their active support.
Reduction of class size and a steady
increase in number of teachers was
another huge gain. We realized higher
education had to become relevant to
people's fulfillment rather than to
people passively fitting unfulfilling
slots in society.
(MORE)
BERTRAND DELLINGER (CONT'D)
We changed what students had available to
read, who they had available to talk
with, and what they could attain.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
What do you think was the turning point
toward winning?
PARENTS meet.
NYU STUDENT
We don't want idle discussion. We will
chair sessions. We will present ideas.
We will convince faculty of new aims and
create a new sense of community. Attend
our social events. Attend our classes.
This strike will end when our campus is
reborn. Commit to student faculty power.
Reject administrative power.
Interview continues.
BERTRAND DELLINGER
Campus innovations mirrored and augmented
public schools being open to communities.
Universities provided programs for local
residents as well as research and
resources for local activism. RPS said
instead of education defending system
maintenance, it should propel system
change. Instead of squashing most
students into passive conformity while
making the rest elitist, education should
address the real needs and potentials of
all students.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Malcolm, do you remember first
considering and then finally deciding to
run for President?
MALCOLM KING
I first thought about it when I won for
Senator and every so often thereafter. I
saw being Senator as a way to aid
movements and help generate new policies
and I thought of the presidency that way
too, only more so. But running for
President became more than day dreaming
one night while talking with some good
friends.
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
It is wonderful to be together, and I
hope you won't mind that Bertrand and I
see it as an opportunity to consider
something we have all heard circulating
around RPS.
BERTRAND DELLINGER
The three of you are the highest elected
officials in the organization. Senator
of Massachusetts, Governor of California,
and Mayor of New York. Should one of you
run for President in 2044?
BILL HAMPTON
I hear people talking about that too, but
is the topic worth any time?
BERTRAND DELLINGER
Of course it is...
BILL HAMPTON
I am not so sure. RPS is making
incredible strides all over society. Why
not keep building and when needed
pressure the ever-more progressive but
non-RPS Presidents who take office,
without our entering the corrupting arena
ourselves? The complications of running
for Mayor, much less winning, have been
ridiculous in New York. Imagine how
entangling and corrupting the
complications would be winning the White
House. Why not just keep winning more
institutions, more support?
LYDIA LUXEMBURG
But you use Gracie Mansion brilliantly.
You build movement and you help win
movement gains. You aren't entangled.
You aren't corrupted...
BILL HAMPTON
I am not coopted, but I am exhausted.
And I am not sure what overall gain our
winning office has achieved. If every
RPS person in New York government who is
now partly just keeping the current
system from unraveling was instead
working in grassroots organizing to build
our new system, and receptive though less
RPS-ish folks were in the positions we
hold, would it be a net loss? Avoiding
the corrupting pressures of holding
power, tallying allies, and especially
keeping the old aspects of New York
running has been consuming enough. For
the White House, the number of people
side-tracked from grassroots work would
be vastly greater.
CELIA CURIE
But add the extra outreach, the burst of
energy which, if done right, can persist,
and, in the event of winning, the
consciousness-raising and major changes
able to be far more quickly and easily
implemented around the still unaltered
parts of society with an allied rather
than a neutral or hostile President, and
I think maybe we have gotten to a point
where it would make sense to run for the
Presidency.
BILL HAMPTON
But would it undercut popular
participation in building and federating
councils? Could we focus as much on a
candidate as an election would require,
and on governing as winning would
require, without sacrificing larger aims?
BERTRAND DELLINGER
If we field a good candidate we could
easily attract ten million full-time
volunteers. While campaigning, we would
all work harder and with greater
outreach, not less hard and more
narrowly. We could have massive grass
roots funding with no need for big
donors. We could win, which would
tremendously help every campaign and
struggle now underway and more to follow.
Then, in office, all of us could work
full time, with major resources. Why
couldn’t we emphasize and enlarge
participation. We should try.
BILL HAMPTON
I wouldn't want to run. New York was
very nearly too much for me.
CELIA CURIE
Don't look at me. I would feel a fool
trying. I am an actress turned Governor
for my home state. If I won it would be
like Reagan or Trump - a media
personality taking office. I don't want
that. RPS doesn't need that.
MALCOLM KING
Well, I think RPS does need you. Your
governorship has been exemplary. I think
a campaign, done without an iota of
compromise, done with an unswerving focus
on our full participatory vision, could
advance our views enough to be worth the
time, effort, and resources it would
require. And in office, far from
draining already overflowing grassroots
energy, we could greatly enlarge and aid
it.
BILL HAMPTON
I worry about the reaction if we win the
presidency. I worry about violent coup
attempts.
MALCOLM KING
If our victory came twenty or even ten
years back, I would agree. But we have
built so much support, so many workplaces
are RPS, so many neighborhoods, churches,
local and state governments, military and
even police rank and file - we could
handle what violence might be tried.
After winning the presidency, resistance
to RPS would get nowhere, because of how
we won, our decades of organization, our
widespread, informed, organized support.
Okay, we alone can’t decide, of course,
but how about we think about telling RPS
we think we should run, in whatever order
finally makes sense, and we table this
discussion for now before it gets even
more tortured?
CELIA CURIE
Okay, and I will think about VP if you
will think about P.
Interview continues.
MALCOLM KING
So that small gathering was when running
became more than pipe dream gossip.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Okay, when did you first think you might
actually win?
MALCOLM KING
I came to believe we might elect an RPS
President, and keep office, whoever it
might be, in 2039 during the general
strike.
-- Plants empty.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
So you ran to win?
MALCOLM KING
We ran to win, yes, but with an absolute
commitment that we would not compromise
RPS views to seek votes.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
When did you begin to think you really
would win?
MALCOLM KING
You know, we just worked, day after day,
not thinking ahead to winning or not,
until, for me at least, at the first
debate in late September, when vitriol
failed and reason prevailed.
OPPOSING CANDIDATE
Senator King, how can you possibly have
the audacity to stand before the American
people and say they should elect you
President? You a man who anarchistically
aims to overthrow our government, a man
who socialistically wants to obliterate
our property rights, a man who feminazi-
like threatens to topple society’s family
fabric, a man who would cravenly reduce
our armaments, armed forces, and police
to passivity, a man who would make our
country pitifully weak, a man who denies
religion, attacks individual creativity,
and promotes soul-destroying
collectivism? It will be a pleasure to
ship you and your movement's pathetic
power-envy and psychotic animalistic
anger back to the fringe communities that
spawned it. I happily cede to you my
remaining time. Take as long as you like
to reply. Your words will only deepen
the horror our audience already feels at
your vile intentions.
MALCOLM KING
No more to say? No more vague, wild
assertions? Nothing positive to offer?
Okay, I will gladly use your remaining
time. You wonder at my wanting to
anarchistically overthrow our government.
I plead guilty. Unlike you, I don't want
to preserve elitist, centralizing, mind-
numbingly anti-democratic bureaucratic
structures against participation by the
American people just to preserve the
power of centralizing sycophants like
yourself who unaccountably control the
destiny of millions. I prefer popular
self-management. You decry my
socialistically opposing few hands
holding productive property, and I again
plead guilty. Unlike you, I am not
enamored of enriching property holders
beyond the wildest dreams of past kings.
I do not think being born with a deed in
your hand is the highest form of human
achievement, or that it is any
achievement at all. I reject that people
like yourself should own society's
rivers, lakes, resources, machinery, and
places of production, much less rule over
them like tin-pot dictators. You ought
to be aware, however, that you missed a
further target to ridicule. I also
oppose a relatively small sector of the
population monopolizing empowering work.
I want to share that work more equally so
everyone is prepared by their work to
participate in social decisions.
(MORE)
MALCOLM KING (CONT'D)
Unlike you, I want equitable incomes for
all. I want empowering dignified work
for all. I want people able to decide
their own working lives. I would say it
is a wonder that you don't want these
gains for all humanity, but your attitude
isn't a wonder. It is unmitigated, self-
seeking, anti-social greed. You say I
want to feminazi-like topple the familial
fabric of civilization. Why? Because I
want young and old people to have a say
over their own lives? Because I want
families and all living units to freely
nurture the next generation without
imposing preordained definitions of what
boys and girls have to become? Because
I want parents and children and extended
families to have optimal health care,
empowering work, and shared
responsibility for their own and for all
social life? Because I want women
respected and empowered, because I want
sexual preference to be whatever free
people prefer, because I reject turning
back the gender clock a century in your
misogynistic, homophobic, harassing mode?
The human, nurturing fabric of society is
already at risk. People like you don't
see its deep scars despite your own
broken homes and the bedlam so visibly
endured by so many all around you. You
can't see the truth of our times because
your heart is a cash register and your
paranoid eyes perceive only profit
potentials. I want to restore and enrich
society's fabric. You want to rape and
plunder society. I see all families as
repositories of love and sources of wise,
confident participation. You see most
families as sources of cheap, obedient
labor. I see society’s countless
communities as allied and equal centers
of creative diversity. You see all but
your own community as fringe targets to
ridicule, restrain, and repress. You say
I would disarm the country, neuter the
police, and leave us helpless because I
reject
siphoning society's wealth into useless
and pointless weapons that, were they
used, would destroy all humanity, and
because I want properly paid and
empowered police that serve the public
not power, and I want our children's and
our children's children's human
potentials to develop free from war,
pestilence, coercion and restriction in a
world of shared peace and plenty. I am
guilty again. You are absolutely right I
want all that. You call it making our
country weak and defenseless. I call it
making our country worth defending. You
say I deny religion and sublimate the
individual to the collective. Why?
(MORE)
MALCOLM KING (CONT'D)
Because I want all religions, races,
ethnicities, and nationalities to be free
of fear of imposition and negation from
without and because I want individuals
and collectives prepared and in position
to self-manage their destinies without
having to submit to the whims of the rich
and domineering elites you serve. You
are right again. I do reject your
racism, your sexism, your homophobia. I
am guilty as charged. You say that it
was a pleasure to have run against me,
and that it will be a pleasure to ship me
and Revolutionary Participatory Society's
pathetic envy and psychotic animalistic
anger back to the fringe dwellings that
spawned it. Well, I have some news for
you. Those fringe dwellings are the soup
kitchens, apartment buildings, private
homes, schools, hospitals, ball fields,
theater stages, churches, and workplaces
of America. Fringe to your gilded
millionaire lifestyle, yes, I suppose so.
We will see soon what goes away, and what
goes forward. Will the American people
vote against RPS and their own futures -
and less relevantly against Celia and I -
or will they not only elect the two of
us, but continue their steadily
escalating popular participation in
revolutionizing all sides of all of our
lives? After your display here tonight,
I too feel ready to predict the outcome.
I predict that some folks will vote for
you due to fearing make-believe demons
that you and your media moguls have
manufactured. And I predict some will
vote for you to defend their elite
interests with no concern for society.
But I predict most people see past the
confusions and prejudices that have
historically allowed the likes of you to
win office. You are about as venal as
was, say, Donald Trump, 28 years ago.
Your ignorant posturing, your bullying,
your pathetically hypocritical life and
your self-serving views, all admittedly
more eloquently expressed than Trump
could ever manage, have lost too much of
their deceiving power for you to push
anything aside, much less to push aside
RPS, the most grassroots, democratic
participatory, multi-focused movement
this country has ever seen. Good luck
with that. I wish I could be a gentleman
and say it was a pleasure to run against
you. But I can't. It has been a bore,
because you are an empty vessel of hate.
It has been depressing, because even in
one lonely body, such an amalgamation of
narcissistic evil as you embrace is
seriously depressing to behold. We will
soon see what the country decides.
(MORE)
MALCOLM KING (CONT'D)
Will it opt for you and your hate and
fear, and the billionaires who pray you
will prevail to help them amass still
more millions and billions? Or will it
be for me, Celia, and RPS, for our hopes
and thoughts, and for the women and men,
boys and girls, movements and activists,
who work for our campaign to prevail so
we can in turn aid their efforts to build
a vastly better future? Time is on our
side. Your day is slip-sliding away.
Interview continues.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Okay, then, when were you absolutely sure
you would become President?
MALCOLM KING
I guess it would show appropriate modesty
to say only when the ballots were
counted, but it would be a lie. I knew
for certain we would win at the Houston
Rally the second week in October.
To have a million people greet us on the
streets of Houston, clearly aware of and
supporting our program and not just us,
was incredible. I looked at Celia, she
looked at me, and we both knew the vote
would be a landslide.
-- Celebration in NYC.
-- Celebration in Chicago.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Good morning. As Press Secretary, as
usual I have a lot of ground to cover so
let's settle down and begin.
(MORE)
MIGUEL GUEVARA (CONT'D)
If you will bear with me a minute, I
would like to offer a few words before
taking your questions. As you know,
yesterday President Malcolm King spoke to
the UN General Assembly and the world.
His speech was simple, emotional, and
blunt. It reflected unfolding events and
aspirations. For any of you who may have
missed it, in the first part he
apologized. In the second part he
promised. In the third part he
celebrated. In the conclusion he
embraced.
MALCOLM KING
In the name of my country I apologize for
our military and fiscal role in
international mayhem and injustice from
Latin America to Asia and from Europe to
Africa. I apologize to Korea, the
Philippines, Indonesia, Guyana, Vietnam,
Cambodia, Laos, the Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
the Dominican Republic, and Cuba. I
apologize to Chile, Greece, East Timor,
Nicaragua, Grenada, El Salvador, Libya,
Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti,
Yugoslavia, Iran, Venezuela, Somalia, and
Syria. I apologize for our support of
dictators, for our exploitative
extractions, for our arms shipments and
for our arms use. I apologize for
threats, boycotts, and destruction, for
massacring native Americans, for slavery
and racism, sexism and sexual predation,
for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and more.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
King promised we would together reverse
our history of exploitation and violence
toward others and in its place enact a
new agenda of sharing and respect. He
promised we would study war no more and
instead foster solidarity and mutual aid
with the same energy and effort that we
previously put to war-making and profit-
seeking. He promised and evidenced an
entirely new and compassionate,
internationalist mindset. He celebrated
transforming our domestic defining
institutions of polity, economy, culture,
and kinship, and our relation to the
natural environment to remove hierarchies
of wealth and power and to attain a
sustainable new historical beginning.
(MORE)
MIGUEL GUEVARA (CONT'D)
He promised to aid and learn from all
those who have already or who will now
take up similar aims, as they deem
suitable, worldwide.
MALCOLM KING
Amidst our tremendous, sustaining, and
enriching diversity, we need to embrace
our shared universal humanity. We need to
celebrate and apply our shared values of
human liberation - solidarity, diversity,
equity, self-management, international
peace, and environmental balance to all
our own countries, each in mutual aid
with the rest. We must reject greed and
profit-seeking. We must reject self-
aggrandizement and power-wielding. We
must usher in a new era of empathy, a new
time of joyous exploration of our
collective capacities. I embrace all who
will do so, and the UN itself as a
valuable tool for the task.
MIGUEL GUEVARA
Now, if you have questions... Yes,
Leslie, why don't you begin.
“FROM A TIME JUST BEYOND TOMORROW, FROM A PLACE CLONED FROM OUR OWN,
ACTIVISTS OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR A REVOLUTIONARY PARTICIPATORY SOCIETY
HAVE DESCRIBED THEIR SUCCESSFULLY UNFOLDING STRUGGLE TO TRANSFORM THEIR
UNITED STATES.
A QUESTION ARISES. WHAT ABOUT OUR TIME, OUR PLACE, OUR UNITED STATES?
DO WE WANT IT TO PERSIST AS IT HAS, WITH SOME MODEST CHANGE NOW AND
THEN, BUT BASICALLY WITH ITS FEATURES PRESERVED OR EVEN WORSENED? OR
DOES RPS’S STORY CAUSE US TO FEEL WE CAN WIN ENLIGHTENED EQUITY RATHER
THAN DEADLY DECADENCE? CAN WE NOW SEEK PROMISING POTENTIALS RATHER
THAN SUFFER OPPRESSIVE OBSTACLES? TIME HAS COME TODAY, HASN'T IT?”
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