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vsv01
10 months ago
wisdom_tooth said:
i have decided to go with pub administration
so please tell me your personal tryst with this optional about how to sail through it, how to master it and write good answers...
i have recently bought tmh laxmikanth pub ad plus mohit bhatt plus arora n goyal plus prasad n prasad . is it necessary to buy synergy printed
notes of mohanty...are they worth of because i saw them in orn but didnt like them small font,no diagrams charts etc so rejected them...should
one also buy nicholas henry and stephen robbins (mrunal ne recommend kiya hai) aur haan 2nd arc ka summary mil sakta hai kya kahin se....
do's and donts which u think regarding this optional.i have purchased ignou notes too..am i missing some books or notes?? is there any book
having solved pubad papers??
plz give detailed insights about pubad so that any new aspirant doesnt tread on those paths
Read less books and notes
Mohit Bhattacharya ,Prasad and prasad and Ignou Notes Paper 1
Any Standard Book for Paper 2 Rajni ,Arora etc..
Any coaching handwritten Notes to streamline the study /Refrence
Prepare your own notes ,suppliment it with ARC and Current News.
Prepare according to Syllabus and Previous year qn paper
Just it...
Dnt read too many books...
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ksonu
10 months ago
Q) though gulick and urwick based their principle on fayol there were few dissimilarities. Comment.
Ans)
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Intro:
G&U and Fayol had similar background and same objective (max. efficiency).
Mentioned few similarities: universality and science
Mentioned and explained differences(only two)
i. Politico adm dichotomy(Fayol) vs politico adm fusion(G&U)
ii. Centralization(Fayol) vs decentraliation(G&U)
Conclusion: The difference is actually complementary and appln depends on situation.
My doubts:
1. Are similarities required in this question?
2. What can be better ways to start and conclude?
3. Are there any more differences?
4. Any innovative way to present this answer?
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mango_dolly
10 months ago
I was reading magazine and came across this news item .. It DOES NOT mention anything new but will give NEWCOMERS on how to related
theoretical linkages while reading news items ! In this article you will come across many theoretical concepts you will read in Paper I and II.. Some I
could recall in top of my mind recall are listed below;
> Weberian bureaucracy features
> criticism of Weber: goal displacement, institutional rigidity, client dissatisfaction
> Unbalanced bureaucracy
> PCT theorists criticism of bureaucracy
> pay commissions and how lower levels get more than higher levels from their counterparts in Pvt. Sector
Etc
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Mare
10 months ago
@ksonu : Similarities :Both generalized Principles applicable to all organisation(Private and Public), Unity of Command, Focus on functions of top level
management, coordination,responsibility. Principles focus is on formal structure of an org.
Differences: Elaborating Division of work principle i.e theory of Departmentalization, staff agencies to aid management,inclusion of more functions
performed by a manager.
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Mare
10 months ago
@mango_dolly :Thank you for sharing .
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ksonu
10 months ago
Thanks @Nuralain . can't compare these two thinkers better than this. Please share more of such innovations.
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ishanhooda
10 months ago
@nuralain can you tell important linkages?how to link thinkers.
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ishanhooda
10 months ago
how did you do the hidden syllabus?how did you cover current affairs for paper 2?
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wisdom_tooth
10 months ago
Nuralain said:
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Paper 2 is mostly current based. But we quite often tend to make the answers too GS sorts rather than public admin types. Fadia / Goyal /
Avasthi is essential for basics , which have to be necessarily supplemented by current affairs.
Mohanty or Kiran sir's notes might not be sufficient. IJPA selected articles can be found in a compilation which is given by Kiran sir at Kbc .
Alternatively , you can dig IIPA website. 2nd arc summary points are given behind many texts ( eg. Aribam ). The arc itself carries a
summary.
please tell me what is kbc? and where can i get IJPA gist or selected articles compilation given by kiran sir..is there any way to order them from delhi
book store.in iipa website,the journals and articles are only upto 2014..is there any way to find relevant articles from older editions of iipa archives and
does any coaching institute like vajiram or synergy mohanty sir gives iipa gist..guys here if anyone have the article :"CIVIL SERVICES :PAST,PRESENT
AND FUTURE " by p.c. hota that was published in iipa 2010 plz send me or upload here the images or pdf
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calvinball
10 months ago
@Nuralain @mango_dolly Can u enlist some case studies of Public policy success and Development Administration success examples...Mgnrega and
delhi odd even come in my mind as rrlatively successful and draft encryption as a major failure of public policy. Could u enlighten?
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ksonu
10 months ago
@Nuralain please share the diagrams that you have. Thank you.
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wisdom_tooth
10 months ago edited February 3
Nuralain said:
@ksonu I do not have any topic wise diagrams per se. It was coincidental that I had it for Fayol .
doodlebean Is awesome at that. She has already uploaded her notes. :)
@wisdom_tooth kbc is kumar book centre at orn . I believe they take telephonic orders, not too sure. Ijpa journals are available on their
website. Gist not aware.
@calvinball will revert. Can't think of any right now. Sorry.
@ishanhooda synergy . Newspaper only.
@Nuralain could you please upload doodlebean mam notes or give me the link where she uploaded her notes..and which website are u talking about i
found no website of kumar book centre on googling..i want to order ijpa gist given by kiran sir.
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wisdom_tooth
10 months ago
how is pubad dictionary tmh by vikram singh?any reviews
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Kek
10 months ago
Here is a compilation of Pub Ad thread where each n every topic was discussed extensively last year. Lot of new topics I have come to know about from
this compilation. Thanks to @doodlebean and other fellow aspirants.
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wisdom_tooth
10 months ago
thanks a lot @kek
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calvinball
10 months ago
@Nuralain ...thanx a ton..banko bikano is really a shot in arm to use in examples. just read about it. SBA can be used as how evidence based policy
making(Adrian Smith) deteriorates into policy based evidence making. I learnt of a term Goodheart's Law : when a measure becomes a target it stops
being a good measure. Hope u would find it of some help. Thanx again.
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mango_dolly
10 months ago edited February 3
People have asked me privately about Public Policy topic in Paper I and few pointers on how to go about it.
I also see that @calvinball has in an earlier post, asked about this topic.
So here are my two cents .. it might be boring for the veterans but I hope it adds some value to 'newcomers' to PA optional.

"Public Policy"(hereafter PP) topic is one of the most important topic of PA Paper I because of following reasons:
(i) This topic enables you to apply theoretical understanding into practical applications. Its at the end of the day PP that you aim to do by becoming a
bureaucrat and that the end goal of PA is "public service" through PP.
(ii) UPSC expects you to show the theorypractical linkage and if you are able to show it in your answers then you will be rewarded handsomely. PP gives
you ample opportunity to demonstrate that linkage.
(iii) PP helps you with answers in PA Paper II and GS Paper II.

Areas that you must cover in public policy:
Disclaimer: List below is indicative and NOT exhaustive
1. Laswell's Policy Science concept.
Do it in simplistic form because its a very complex and confusing concept. Google for it and try and get a gist of what he initiated.
Also try and place Policy Science and PP in the whole scheme of development of PA i.e. in which Paradigm of Nicholas Henry will you place it in. What
was other thinkers of that time commenting on PP viz; Simon, Waldo, Wildavsky, Lindbloom etc.
2. Systems Model of Policy Making David Easton
he considers the entire policy making system as a big system. he calls the larger system as societal/environmental system
there are number of subsystems which constitute the bigger system economic, polictical, administrative
there are interactions within the subsystems and also with outside environment.
he considers the most imp. subsystem is the polictical subsystem.
these other subsystems sends signals/demands to the polictical subsystem. The political subsystem then processes these demands and comes out with
policies to be implemented for the benefit of the respective subsystems.
Apart from the demands, there is support which is given to political subsystem becoz unless and until the subsystem gives support to pol. subsystem,
policies cannot be made. e.g. I want road in my colony but I am not ready to pay tax. That won't work. We must support pol. subsystem by paying tax,
abide rules/regulations so that they form policies and builds infrastructure.
who makes these demands into policies ? Political subsystem have institutions like legislature, political executives, bureaucracy, judiciary they
process these demands/supports and comes out with public policies.
This is where he says it has authoritative allocation of values
In parliamentary form of democracy, executive is part of legislature. Since they are in majority it automatically means they have the approval of the
legislature, and automatically it gets the constitutional or the legal validity. The authority is there in that policy and hence it becomes public policy, it
must be implemented , must be abided by all citizens(else punishment) and everybody will have access to it.
Feedback loop feedback comes back to society, other subsystems , whether the policies have been effective. This feedback also affects the character of
polictical subsystem.
3. Understand various phases of policy making viz; agenda setting >> policy decision or nondecision >> implementation >> feedback
4. Understand how agenda setting happens (there was a question on agenda setting in CSM 2015).
So here we study how before policymakers can take policy decisions, there must be recognition of a "problem in society" on the part of the govt, on which
public action can be taken. So civil society, media, citizens in general play imp. role here.
e.g.: Nirbhaya incident forced govt. to bring amendments to Criminal Law etc
OR
India Against Corruption and Anna Hazare incident forced govt. to estb. Lokpal institution.
5. Public policy decision models rational, incremental, garbage can, kingdon's stream model, bounded rationality(comes under rational model though)
etc.
Understand these models thoroughly and use them in enriching your answers. So if “Nirmal Bharat Abhiyan” becomes "Swacch Bharat Abhiyan", do we
see a reflection of Lindbloom's incrementalism?
Do we see incrementalism in freebies and various promises politicians make? Is this to maintain status quo and not do anything radical?
So when you read these models, try and thing on various lines and interlink such concept and jot it down if you happen to formulate an interesting
linkage. Use it in your answers in Mains. This will definitely help enrich your answer.
Therefore it is important that if we study for 1 hour, we must thereafter invest atleast 50% of time in thinking and interlinking concepts learnt.
6. Study Nondecision aspect as well point 4 was describing various models where you take a policy decision. But there will be instances where no
decision is a policy decision. So when P Chidambaram was recently asked by Barkha Dutt(during later's book release func. in Mumbai) that post 26/11,
was UPA govt under pressure for troop buildup (like in Operation Pakaram post Parl attack).. he said this
"..it was considered but I think the conclusion was the right conclusion to do nothing i.e. no troop buildup"
So policymakers explore all options and take no decision. This is also a policy decision and a question on this was asked in CSM 2012. I had written
about that question here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByZddIiTbiBCdzY0ZDBDMjBUUkk/view?usp=sharing
7. Policy Implementation Important
Study Pressman and Wildavsky's(P&W) study about Policy Implementation. Also, Wildavsky in general had written lot of articles on Policy
Implementation and said that PP is a political activity. A question on this had come in CSM 2015.
P&W's study emphasised on :
> how Policy SHOULD NOT be divorced from Implementation (oppose PA dichotomy),
> how designers of policy should ensure there are more direct means of achieving their policy, because intermediaries & multiplicity of decision points
distort policy implementation. Example: PDS, other subsidies and how DBT has proven successful.
> continuity of leadership is imp for implementation etc. Tie it up with tenure of police leadership, Collectors etc., fixed tenure for CS, FS etc.
8. Micheal Lipsky's Street Level Bureaucracy
Lipsky's argument that policies are not actually made in legislators or high end offices of North/South block but by people who work at cutting edge he
called them street level bureaucrats. They have to work with uncertainties and work pressure and with the discretion at their command, they tweak the
policies and at times deviate from it.
E.g: Imagine a teacher delivering MDM to school children .. lack of hygiene, no proper food
OR
Ration card for APL but not for BPL being provisioned by local bureaucrats

I wish you all the best !
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IWRA
10 months ago
Since the ice has been broken, let me list some topics. We can discuss it further on this platform.
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Listing some nonroutine topics:
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Neo Weberian state: Pollitt and Bouckaert( 2004). Look for two words: marketizers and modernizers.
Community policing ( was asked in CSM15) : a thinker named John Angell had done some work, coined the term "democratic policing".
Advocacy coalition framework: ACF comes under PP topic. Developed by Paul Sabatier( part of socalled hidden syllabus)
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Cosmic constitutionalism: Dwight waldo.
Gouldner's local and cosmopolitan.
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Gunar Myrdal: The Asian drama and " folklore of corruption "
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Riggs concept of "Synarchy".. He published a book " The impact of Globalization on the theory and practice of Public administration " in 2006 where he
introduced this concept... Beautifully dealt in Aribam part1
Alvin Gouldner: Mock, representative and Punishment bureaucracy. He had done studies on industrial bureaucracy.
Hope that helps.
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calvinball
10 months ago
providing my two cents.
A term that can be used almost everywhere from thinkers to DA to PP to reforms is Intersectional Analysis by kimberle crenshaw which implies that
Individuals arent islands they cant be considered as a member of a single social group rather are a product of various shifting social groups. So a person
can be a recipient , a stake holder , a pressure group , a policy maker at the same time. Also can be used in riggsian influence of clects.
Suggestions/ corrections most welcome.
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calvinball
10 months ago
@mango_dolly @Nuralain @IWRA and everyone concerned. There were talks of meetong and agenda setting to tackle PA and nonprogrammable
decisions be made more programmable by collecting info and even institutionalising it. If u agree then we can meet this sunday . I will be there 100% and
even 23 of us can Initiate something and possibly We can try to match steps with what doodlebean beautifully accomplished last year i guess.
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