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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA)
MEMORANDUM
DATE: October 2, 2014

TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Fire Pumps
(FIM-AAA)
FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison
Office: (617) 984-7562 Email: cduffy@nfpa.org
SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 20 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)
Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 20, Standard on the Installation of
Stationary Pumps for Fire Protection, which will be held at the UL LLC office in Northbrook, IL
8:00am to 5:00pm CDT on Tuesday October 21, 2014, and 8:00am to 5:00pm on Wednesday
October 22, 2014.
Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the
meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any
Second revisions at the meeting.
All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for
information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the
Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information.
Additional Meeting Information:

See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/20next) for meeting
location details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project
Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email ecarroll@nfpa.org.
C. Standards Administration
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NFPA 20 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2015)
Tuesday, Oct.21, 2014 and Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2014, 8:00am – 5:00pm CDT
UL LLC, 333 Pfingsten Road, Northbrook, IL
AGENDA
Tuesday, October 21, 2014
1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

2. Introductions and Attendance
3. Review Agenda
4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle
5. Chairman Comments
6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
7. Brief discussion of Controller Connectivity
8. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 20- Tentative order of presentation
a. Task Group 9 – Controller Connectivity James Nasby – Chair
b. Task Group 1 - Chapter 4, 6 & 7 Darrell Snyder – Chair
c. Task Group 2 – Chapter 5 Dave Fuller - Chair
d. Task Group 3 – Chapter 8 Jennifer McGrath - Chair
e. Task Group 4 – Chapters 9 & 10 John Kovacik – Chair
f. Task Group 5 – Chapter 11 & 12 John Whitney – Chair
g. Task Group 6 – Chapters 13 Alan Dorini – Chair
h. Task Group 7 – Chapter 14 Bill Harvey – Chair
i. Task Group 11 – Table A.14.2.6.4
j. Task Group 10 – Coordination with NFPA 25 John Kovacik - Chair
k. Task Group 8 – Electric Grid Reliability Dana Haagensen – Chair
9. Adjourn - TBD
Wednesday, October 22, 2014
1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

2. Complete Action on Public Comment for NFPA 20
3. Dissolution of current task groups
4. New business
5. Adjourn Meeting – 5:00 PM
Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to
the meeting.
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Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any
committee input at the meeting.
Key Dates for the Annual 2015 Revision Cycle
Proposal Closing Date July 8, 2013

December 13,
Final Date for First Draft Meeting
2013
Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot January 1, 2014
Ballots Returned By February 21, 2014
Post Final First Draft March 7, 2014
Comment Closing Date May 16, 2014
Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 31, 2014
Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December12, 2014
Ballots Returned By January 2, 2014
Posting Final Second Draft January 16, 2015
Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion
March 6, 2015
(NITMAM)
Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 26, 2015
NFPA Annual Meeting June 22-25, 2015
Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 20, 2015
Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.
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Meeting Preparation
Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published comments prior to the
meeting and to be prepared to act on each item.
Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting.
Only one posting of the comments will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be
pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at
www.nfpa.org/20. If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at
ecarroll@nfpa.org.
Mandatory Materials:
 Last edition of the standard
 Meeting agenda
 Public input/comments
 Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs)
 Roberts’ Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the
Committee Officer’s Guide)
Optional Materials:
 NFPA Annual Directory
 NFPA Manual of Style
 Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable)
Regulations and Guiding Documents

All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of
Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process.
All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with the
Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these
regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on
procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document.
The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee
Documents.
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General Procedures for Meetings

 Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any
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regarding public input or comments that they submitted.
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results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee.
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for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in
the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they
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on any action relating to those issues.
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NEW PROCESS ACTIONS AND MOTIONS

Possible Action #1: Accept Public Comment (exactly as it is)
Action Required Sample motion
I move to create a Second Revision using PC #
Create a Second Revision
______.
Possible action #2: Reject but see (revise submitted text)
I move to create a Second Revision based on PC
Create a Second Revision based on a
Step 1 # _____with the following changes to the text . .
Public Comment
.
If the revision is related to multiple PCs, I move to create a Second Revision based on PC
Step 2 respond to all of them together using the # ____and incorporating PC #s _____with the
cart function following changes to the text . . .
Possible action #3: Reject (no change to the standard)
I move to reject PC # ____ with the following
Generate a statement (substantiation)
substantiation . . .
Possible Action #4: Reject but hold (new material)
I move to reject PC # ____ but hold it for
Reject Public Comment for this cycle, but
consideration during the First Draft meeting next
save for next revision cycle
cycle.

Attachment #1:
Previous Meeting Minutes
MINUTES of the
NFPA 20 Public Input meeting
Orlando, FL – October 1 thru 3, 2013

Tuesday; October 1
1. Chairman Gayle Pennel called the meeting to order at 8 AM.
2. A presentation was furnished by Doug Stevens regarding transducers.
3. Recessed in order for the Task Groups to deliberate.
4. Reconvened at 1:00 PM.
5. All attendees made self-Introductions; See attached attendance.
6. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy addressed the revised Standard Development Process.
7. Chairman Pennel provided standard meeting instructions
8. Staff Liaison Chad Duffy instructed Technical Committee on Roster update and attendance log.
9. Chairman Pennel called for a motion to accept minutes of October 2011 ROC meeting of the
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE in San Antonio, TX. Motion passed unanimously.
10. A presentation was furnished by Jim Nasby regarding electrical connectivity.
11. Technical Committee began the review and action process on 159 public input proposals
beginning with Task Group reports and actions:
a. Task Group on Chps 4, 6, &7 by Darrell Snyder
b. Task Group on Chp 5 by David Fuller
c. Task Group on Chp 8 by Jennifer McGrath
d. Task Group on Chps 9 & 10 by Hugh Castles
e. Task Group on Chps 11 & 12 by John Whitney
f. Task Group on Chp 13 by Alan Dorini
g. Task Group on Chp 14 by Bill Harvey
h. Task Group on Electric Grid Reliability by Dana Haagensen
12. Session recessed at 6:10PM

Wednesday; October 2
13. Technical Committee reconvened at 8:00 AM on 10/2 and continued the review and action
process on the Public Input proposals beginning with unfinished Task Group reports and
actions:,
14. Chairman Pennel entertained a discussion by Victoria Valentine (NFPA 13) regarding Hanging
and Bracing.
15. Technical Committee continued with the review and action process on remaining Public Input
proposals
16. Session recessed at 6:25PM
Thursday; October 3
17. Technical Committee reconvened at 8:00 AM on 10/3 and continued the review and action
process on the remaining Public Input proposals
18. Chairman Pennel announced a ballot for this NFPA 20 meeting on Public Input would be
forwarded to the Technical Committee members for their official vote.
19. Chairman Pennel announced that the next meeting will likely be scheduled in August,
September, or October 2014. Exact date and location to be announced in the future.
20. Chairman Pennel called for a motion to adjourn at 12:15 PM. Motion passed unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
R. T. Leicht, Secretary
Attendees:
Gayle Pennel, Chair

R. T. Leicht, Secretary
Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison
Principals
Alternates
Michael Aaron
Timothy Ballengee Kerry Bell
James Beals Brad Cronin
Marinus Both Jerald Huff
Pat Brock Kenneth Isman
Hugh Castles Floyd Luinstra
Stephen Clark William Stelter
Mohammad Dadgardoust Thomas Wellen
Alan Dorini
David Fuller Guests
Dana Haagensen
David hague Peter Schwab
Bill Harvey Brian Buscler
Hatem Kheir Kevin Kunkler
John Kovacik Tim Jordan
Jennifer McGrath Les Andree
Charles McKnight Rogen Montenbeault
James Nasby Steven Baird
Jeffrey Roberts Matt Paine
Michael Rothmier Doug Stephens
Richard Schneider Victoria Valentine
Darrell Snyder
Terry Victor
John Whitney
Attachment #2:
Public Comment/20
National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara...
Public Comment No. 33-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 3.3.41 ]
3.3.41 Record Drawing (As-Built).

Drawings that document the installed layout, including piping and the location of all devices, appliances,
wiring sequences, wiring methods, and connections to the components of the system as installed
A design, working drawing, or as-built drawing that is submitted as the final record of documentation for the
project .
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment
This puts the section back to the language in the previous edition. The revision was taken from NFPA 72 and uses
terms that are not common in the fire pump industry. Traditionally, "as built" drawings are prepared by the
sprinkler contractor and do not include wiring diagrams or wiring sequences. These might be provided by the
electrician or the controller manufacturer, but they are separate from the as built drawings that would show the
water-filled pipe provided by the sprinkler contractor.
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First Revision No. 3-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 3.3.41]
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name: Kenneth Isman

Organization: National Fire Sprinkler Association
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4.3.1
In the event of fire pump operation that is not a part of a scheduled weekly or monthly churn test , qualified
personnel shall respond to the fire pump location to determine that the fire pump is operating in a
satisfactory manner.
First Revisions 58 and 59 permit an automatic timer to shut off the fire pump. This implies that the committee
intends to allow fire pumps to run unattended during the weekly or monthly churn test. While we are not
particularly in favor of that idea, we note that such unattended running of the pump would violate this section, so it
needs to be modified. We don't know how the committee intends for the data collected during the test to be
recorded without a person present in the pump room, but assuming that a building owner could figure out how to
record this data remotely, it is possible that the pump room could be unattended.
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First Revision No. 58-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 10.5.2.6.3]
First Revision No. 59-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 10.5.4.2]

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Public Comment No. 39-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.13.1.3 ]
4.13.1.3 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Diesel Engines.

Fire pump buildings or rooms enclosing diesel engine pump drivers and day tanks shall be protected with
an automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with NFPA 13 as an Extra Hazard Group 2
occupancy.
4.13.1.3.1 Diesel fire pump controllers shall be protected from the sprinkler spray or provided with a
National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) Type 4, waterproof enclosure(s) or an enclosure(s)
with an ingress protection (IP) rating of IP66.
The minimum enclosure required by NFPA 20, paragraph 12.3.3.1.1 is a NEMA type 2. This is not suitable for
sprinkler spray. It is only suitable for dripping water from the vertical. Spray from a sprinkler head can directly
enter a type 2 enclosure and potentially damage or destroy the controller.
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Submitter Full Name: William Stelter

Organization: Master Control Systems, Inc.
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4.13.1.4 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Electric Drivers.

For buildings that are required to be sprinklered, fire pump buildings or rooms enclosing electric fire pump
drivers shall be protected with an automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with NFPA 13 as an
Ordinary Hazard Group 1 occupancy.
4.13.1.4.1 Electric fire pump controllers shall be protected from the sprinkler spray or provided with a
National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) Type 4, waterproof enclosure(s) or an enclosure(s)
with an ingress protection (IP) rating of IP66.
The minimum enclosure required by NFPA 20, paragraph 10.3.3.1 is a NEMA type 2. This is not suitable for
sprinkler spray. It is only suitable for dripping water from the vertical. Spray from a sprinkler head can directly
enter a type 2 enclosure and potentially damage or destroy the controller.
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4.13.1.4 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Electric Drivers.

For buildings that are required to be sprinklered, fire pump buildings or rooms enclosing electric fire pump
drivers shall be protected with an automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with NFPA 13 as an
Ordinary Hazard Group 1 occupancy.
Delete this new proposed clause.
Delete this new clause. No reason has been given to deviate from Table 4.12.1.1.2. No new evidence has been
given to indicate that an electric fire pump is more of a fire hazard than previously. Further, spraying fire water on
electical equipment (motor and controller) is not good practice. This especially since the controller is protected
only from vertical dripping water, wheras fire water from sprinklers is not only vertical.
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Submitter Full Name: James Nasby

Organization: Columbia Engineering
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Public Comment No. 51-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.13.2.1.1 [Excluding any
Sub-Sections] ]
Except as provided in 4.13.2.1.1.1, fire pump rooms not directly accessible from the outside shall be
accessible through an enclosed passageway from an enclosed stairway or exterior exit, provided neither of
which are part of a required means of egress .
NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC) agrees that a passageway from the exterior to a fire
pump room is acceptable. We think it should not interfere with a required means of egress. This Public Comment
is related to Public Input #134 but revises the text from Public Input #134. This allows the existing access from a
room that is normally unoccupied, and therefore not needing a means of egress.
This change does not affect the FR30 for a local application.
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Public Input No. 134-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 4.12.2.1.1]
Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, Washington
Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)
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Public Comment No. 10-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.19.7.2 [Excluding any
Sub-Sections] ]
Where pump discharge water is piped back to pump suction and the pump is driven by a diesel engine with
heat exchanger cooling, the controller shall provide a visual indicator and audible alarm and stop the engine
when a high cooling water temperature signal as required by 11.2.4.4.8 is received, provided there are no
active emergency requirements for the pump to run. This includes; fire water demand, remote switch
actuation and deluge valve or fire detection signal to run.
As written, the test in not very enforceable, if at all, since no definition is given for "active emergency requirements
for the pump to run". This is too esoteric as well as too vague.
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First Revision No. 75-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 4.18.7.2 [Excluding any Sub-Sections]]

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Public Comment No. 41-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.20.2.9.2 ]
4.20.2.9.2
Series fire pump controller(s) shall be provided with the extra contacts for remote indication in accordance
with 4.20.2.9.1.1 or 4.20.2.9.1.2.
4.20.2.9.2.1
Where other means are used to communicate this information, the extra contacts in 4.20.2.9.2 are not
required.
To provide all the information and signals required in 4.20.2.2 and 4.20.2.9 a network connection will most likely be
supplied between controllers. This comment will allow signals by extra contacts and by other means such as a
network connection.
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4.28.4.6
Retroactive installation of a backflow prevention device shall not reduce the suction pressure below that
permitted in this standard and accepted by the authority having jurisdiction. This shall not apply to
backflow prevention devices retroactively installed prior to the adoption of the adoption of this edition of this
standard.
It is not clear that extant installations need not comply with this new requirement since the term "retroactive
installation" is used.
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First Revision No. 36-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.27.4.5]

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4.28.4.6
Retroactive installation of a backflow prevention device shall not reduce the suction pressure below that
permitted in this standard and accepted by the authority having jurisdiction. This shall not apply to
backflow prevention devices retroactively installed prior to the adoption of the adoption of this edition of this
standard.
It is not clear that extant installations need not comply with this new requirement since the term "retroactive
installation" is used.
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First Revision No. 36-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 4.27.4.5]

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4.30.1
A packaged fire pump assembly, with or without an enclosure, shall meet all of the following requirements:
(1) The components shall be assembled and affixed onto a steel framing structure.
(2) Welders shall be qualified in accordance with the Section 9 of ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code
or with the American Welding Society AWS D1.1, Structural Welding Code — Steel.
(1) The
assembly shall be listed for fire pump service.
(2) The total assembly shall be engineered and designed by a system designer as referenced in 4.3.2.
(3) All plans and data sheets shall be submitted and reviewed by the authority having jurisdiction, with
copies of the stamped approved submittals used in the assembly and for record keeping.
Additional Proposed Changes
File Name Description Approved

20_Keeping_Comment_4-29-1.pdf PC form
The Committee Statement did not provide a satisfactory explanation as to why a prepackaged fire pump assembly
would need to be listed. It only made some vague reference to problems with some pump packages. It did not
offer any details as to what these problems may be, so they cannot be addressed at this phase. Concerning
problems with prepackaged fire pump assemblies however, it is hard to image how they could be
more severe than those associated with fire pump systems that are taken to the job site in component pieces and
assembled there in the field.
Additionally, the Committee Statement did not offer any comment on the Substantiation (copied below for
reference) that was provided with the Public Input. It did not speak to the points about the current requirement:
- Limiting who can build prepackaged assemblies;
- Limiting the ability to provide customized skids to meet a client’s specific needs;
- That there should be no differences in the acceptability of prepackaged assemblies vs. systems assembled on
the job sites; and
- The fallacy of the previous cycle Proposals, 20-16 & 20-17 attributing unit responsibility to the fire pump
manufacturer.
Public Input Substantiation:

There is no need to require a packaged fire pump assembly to be specifically listed. This requirement basically
limits the supply of packaged fire pump assemblies to ones produced solely by fire pump manufacturers and limits
the ability of fire protection contractors to supply customized skids to suit a client’s specific needs.
There should be no differences in the acceptability between a package that a contractor prepares off site and
ships preassembled to the job site, from one that is taken to the job site in its component pieces and is assembled
there. They are both fire pump units that must be installed, inspected and tested in the same manner.
During the previous revision cycle, Proposals 20-16 and 20-17 argued that it is the fire pump manufacturer that
has unit responsibility, but this is not correct. As noted in A.4.4.1, the entity designated as having unit responsibility
is responsible for the pump, the driver, the controller, the transfer switch and the accessories. Each of these
components is generally made by a different manufacturer, so none of them would be the single entity that could
answer and resolve all problems. Thus the unit responsibility must move further up the supply chain. Naturally
though, the entity with unit responsibility often has to consult with one or more of the manufacturers to resolve any
questions or problems.
As noted, it should be no different, no matter where or in what order the components are assembled.
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Committee Input No. 24-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 4.29.1]
Submitter Full Name: Larry Keeping

Organization: Professional Loss Control
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Public Comment No. 34-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 5.5 ]
5.5 Auxiliary Power.

Where electric motors are used, a reliable emergency source of power in or a back-up fire pump in
accordance with Section 9.6 3 shall be provided for the fire pump installation.
A diesel engine back-up fire pump should be permitted as an alternative to a generator. Chapter 9 already allows
this and Chapter 5 should not over-ride Chapter 9.
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First Revision No. 44-NFPA 20-2013 [Section No. 5.5]

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5.6.1.4
Each refill valve shall be sized and arranged to independently refill the tank in a maximum time of 8
hours. supply the system fiure protection demand. I.E.: Revert to original wording.
This section applies to "Very Tall Buildings" where the building height exceeds the pumping capacity of the fire
department apparatus. While I agree that in certain circumstances the refill rate being equal to the fire protection
demand can be difficult to achieve, the proposed change to an 8 hour refill time is not sufficent to ensure a
reasonable refill rate to maintain building fire protection. In most cases the water supply duration requirement will
be 30 or 60 minutes total. Going from a 1:1 to a 1:16 or 1:8 refill ratio leaves the building without fire protection for
far too long in context of a very tall building where evacuation times are lenghthy and/or protect in place stratgies
are used and there is sole reliance on the building fire protection water supply.
The original requirements were written to permit up to 1/2 of the total stored demand to be out of service with the
understanding that refill rate would compensate for the storage out of service. Where the refill comes from a
standpipe below this can be accomplished at minimal cost (larger refill pipe and valve from the top of a standpipe
to a tank). For a ground level tank the municipal supply must make up the refill. The originally required refill rate is
a minimal cost item that should apply to all high rise building where evacuation is impractical.
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5.6.1.4
Each refill valve shall be sized and arranged to independently refill the tank in a maximum time of 8 of 4
hours.
NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC) agrees with the intent of this First Revision. This Public
Comment would require each refill valve shall be sized and arranged to independently refill the tank in a maximum
time of 4-hours, rather than 8 hours. The current code requires that the storage tank refill at a very quick rate.
The proposed language in FR #60 allows for a maximum of 8 hours to refill the tank, which appears to be an
excessive amount of time without full capabilities of water supply. Fire flow requirements set forth in NFPA 1
section 18.4.5.1.2 have a maximum duration for the largest buildings at four hours. A four-hour time period would
allow the system to be up to full capabilities much faster without the extreme draw that is currently allowed.
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Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Organization: Building Safety Division, Clark County, Washington
Affilliation: NFPA's Building Code Development Committee (BCDC)
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9.6.5.3
The fire pump circuit breaker shall not be required to be coordinated with the generator power source
protective device provided it is used as a an individual branch circuit breaker and is coordinated with all
other line side protective devices, where used .
NFPA 70 has several definitions for a branch circuit. The "Branch Circuit, Individual" definition is most appropriate
for this use. Also, "where used" was added since other line side protective devices are not always used.
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10.3.4.5.3
Except as provided in 4.20.2. 3 2(1) and 10.9.4 , remote shutdown or interlock to prevent normal operation
shall not be permitted unless approved by the authority having jurisdiction.
Paragraph reference corrected and added the reference to10.9.4 which specifically allows shutdown under
specified conditions.
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Public Comment No. 44-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 10.5.2.1.1.2 ]
10.5.2.1.1.2
For multistage multiport pumps, a separate pressure-actuated switch or electronic pressure sensor as
described in 10.5.2.1.1.1 shall be provided for each discharge port of the pump as part of the controller.
10.5.2.1.1.3
There For multistage multiport pumps, a separate pressure recorder as described in 10.5.2.1.7.2 shall be
provided for each discharge port of the pump as part of the controller.
This will add a requirement to monitor the pressure in each zone as is the case with individual pumps in each zone.
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First Revision No. 126-NFPA 20-2013 [Sections 10.5.2.1.1.1, 10.5.2.1.1.2]

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10.5.2.1.3.1 *
Where the transducer pressure reading exceeds 10 psi (0.68 bar) during any automatic pump start that
was initiated by the solenoid drain valve, as required by 10.5.2.1.8.3 , the controller shall activate a visual
and audible alarm, that can be silenced.
The clause is overly restrictive by requiring pressure to be limited to a maximum of 10psi (No technical data has
been presented to support this level) when the solenoid drain valve is opened. The intent of the clause is already
addressed by clause 10.5.2.7.5 (Automatic testing section) which requires the transducer output pressure reading
to fall below the system low pressure start point, and initiate an automatic start, or an alarm is activated.
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Submitter Full Name: CAM WORKMAN

Organization: EATON
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10.5.2.7.1
Where permitted by the AHJ, The controller equipment shall be arranged to automatically start, run, and
shut down the motor at the minimum no-flow test frequency and duration required by NFPA 25.
The proposed wording circumvents of the AHJ’s authority by allowing an automatic start then shutdown in the first
circumstance even when the AHJ has decided that it must be manual. There are compelling reasons for an AHJ to
require manual shutdown under all circumstances and it is the AHJ prerogative to enforce the arrangement that he
deems appropriate. The Standard should not be dictating the AHJ as how fire pumps are to be arranged in his
jurisdiction. The AHJ is still the final word on accepting an installation. NFPA 25 requires a person to be in
attendance when a fire pump is running.
Related Public Comments for This Document
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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 20-2014 [Section No. 12.7.2.7.1]
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Revert to extant 10.5.4.2 text . 1

Automatic shutdown shall be permitted only in the following circumstances:
(1) During automatic testing in accordance with 10.5.2.7

(2) Where approved by the authority having jurisdiction for non-testing conditions
No good reason has been given for eliminating automatic stopping for pumps which are not sole source pumps.
This will cause any number of pumps to burn up, which is why Chicago requires automatic stopping of ALL electric
fire pumps. While I feel that sole source pumps should require manual stopping, this seems excessive where
multiple pumps are involved. The net result will be to REDUCE the reliability of fire protection on many of these
cases rather than either maintaining or enhancing said reliability.
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10.5.4.2.1
(1) During automatic testing in accordance with 10.5.2.7 when permitted by the AHJ
(2) Where approved by the authority having jurisdiction for non-testing conditions

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Revert to extant 10.5.4.2 text . 2

Where automatic shutdown after automatic start is permitted, a minimum run timer set for at least 10
minutes shall be used.
This will cause any number of pumps to burn up, which is why Chicago requires automatic stopping of ALL electric
fire pumps. While I feel that sole source pumps should require manual stopping, this seems excessive where
multiple pumps are involved. The net result will be to REDUCE the reliability of fire protection on many of these
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Public Comment No. 32-NFPA 20-2014 [ New Section after 10.8.2.2 ]
Add new paragraph to the end of 10.8.2.2

10.8.2.2(7) The transfer switch shall be the delayed transition type with a maximum delay time of 3 seconds.
The delayed transition transfer switch eliminates the higher than normal in-rush currents when transferring the fire
pump motor from one source to the other. This is a transfer switch listed for emergency systems (NFPA 70 Article
700).

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10.8.2.2.1 Listed Complete Power Transfer Unit

The separate transfer switch unit shall be Listed for fire protection service as a complete unit. It shall
include all of the items in (1) thru (6) above and include field wiring terminals for the required alarm circuitry
and generator start control wiring. It shall meet all of the requirements in 10.8.3. [Renember extant text as
10.8.2.2.2.]
Extent text does not require nor name a single entity or who is to be responsible for Arrangement II power transfer
equipment, although the fire pump controller is covered. Extent text allows a potpourri of various components to
be mounted and installed which may or may not be coordinated, safe or reliable. The power transfer equipment
should be by a single entity, and listed as such, as is the fire pump controller and as the combination unit is in
Arrangement I in 10.8.2.1.
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Public Input No. 101-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 11.4.4.2]

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10.8.3.10.1
The use of an “in-phase monitor” or an intentional delay via an open neutral position of the transfer switch
to comply with the requirements of 10.8.3.10 shall be prohibited.
A delayed transition transfer switch eliminates the need for an interface between the transfer switch and fire pump
controller. Also, UL 1008-7, paragraph E2.16 only restricts the use of the "In-phase monitor".
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10.8.3.12.3 Fault Tolerance

The generator starting circuit shall meet the requirements of Clause 10.5.2.6. Acceptable means, among
others are below:
10.8.3.12.3(1) Supervise the voltage at the normally open contacts, if these are used to start the generator.
10.8.3.12.3(2) Supervise the current flowing thrugh the normally closed contacts, if these are used to start
the generator.
10.8.3.12.3(3) Add a drop-out relay in the generator control panel wired to the normally closed transfer
switch generator start contacts powered by the generator battery when the normally open contacts are
used to start the generator. Normally closed contacts of this relay shall be wired to the generator normally
open start cricuit.
10.8.3.12.3(4) Add a pick-up relay in the generator control panel wired to the normally closed transfer
switch generator start contacts powered by the generator battery when the normally closed contacts are
used to start the generator. Normally open contacts of this relay shall be wired in series with the generator
normally closed start cricuit.
The requirements of 10.5.2.6 are moot if the combination controller or if the Arrangement II transfer switch unit
looses control of the stand-by generator due to an open circuit in a normally open circuit control loop, or a short
circuit in a normally closed loop or a ground which may also inhibit the generator from starting, depending on
where it occurs.
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Public Input No. 101-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 11.4.4.2]

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Public Comment No. 18-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 11.2.4.3.4.1.1 ]
11.2.4.3.4.1.1 *
Pressure sensing line(s) shall be installed with a connection to the pipe that is in horizontal orientation to
the pressure source Delete this proposed new clause or move it to the Annex A .
It's not clear what "horizontal orientation to the pressure source" means. I don't know what the proposed piping
will look like. No reason has been given to force this arrangement on all variable speed engine and engine
manufacturers.
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First Revision No. 72-NFPA 20-2013 [New Section after 11.2.4.3.4.1]

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Public Comment No. 36-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 11.2.4.3.4.1.1 ]
11.2.4.3.4.1.1 *
Pressure sensing line(s) shall be installed with a connection to the pipe that is in horizontal orientation to
the pressure source.
The term "horizontal orientation to the pressure source" is difficult to understand and enforce. A vertical sensing
line would work from underneath with a drop leg to allow sediment to drop down and be cleaned out.
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Public Comment No. 38-NFPA 20-2014 [ New Section after 11.4.1.6.3 ]
11.4.1.6.4
Vents from interstitial spaces of double-wall tanks shall meet 11.4.1.6.2 and 11.4.1.6.3 and shall not be
manifolded together with a vent from the primary portion of the tank.
NFPA 20 needs to clarify that the rules for the vent from the main portion of the tank also apply to the vent from the
interstitial space. Also, the standard needs to clarify that the vents cannot be manifolded together. Manifolding
the tanks might allow pressure to build up in a portion of the tank rather than vent properly.
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First Revision No. 147-NFPA 20-2013 [Global Input]
First Revision No. 149-NFPA 20-2013 [Global Input]

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12.7.2.1.1.2
For multistage multiport pumps a separate pressure-actuated switch or electronic pressure sensor as
described in 12.7.2.1.1.1 shall be provided for each discharge port of the pump as part of the controller.
12.7.2.1.1.3
For multistage multiport pumps, a separate pressure recorder as described in 12.4.4.1 shall be
provided for each discharge port of the pump as part of the controller.
This will add a requirement to monitor the pressure in each zone as is the case with individual pumps in each zone.
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First Revision No. 127-NFPA 20-2013 [Sections 12.7.2.1.1.1, 12.7.2.1.1.2]

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12.7.2.7.1
The Where permitted by the AHJ, the controller equipment shall be arranged to automatically start, run,
and shut down the engine at the minimum no-flow test frequency and duration required by NFPA 25.
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Public Comment No. 19-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 12.7.5.2 [Excluding any
Sub-Sections] ]
Automatic shutdown shall not be permitted if starting and running causes are present.
Delete this clause and revert to extant text of 12.7.5.2
Based on filet experience this will cause any number of pumps to burn up for no good reason. While sole source
pumps should require manual stopping, the proposed text is excessively restrictive where multiple pumps are
involved. The net result will be to REDUCE, rather than enhance, the reliability of fire protection on many of these
Also, the proposed wording allows an automatic shutdown in one circumstance even when the AHJ may decide
that it must be manual. This is a direct circumvent of the AHJ’s authority as defined in 3.2.2. Indeed, there may be
compelling reasons for automatic shutdown during automatic testing and if the AHJ agrees, then so be it.
However, if the AHJ has other reasons to require it to be manually shutdown or if the reasoning to shut down
automatically is not compelling, the AHJ is still the final word on accepting an installation
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(1) * During automatic testing in accordance with 12.7.2.7 .

(2) When the engine overspeed shutdown device operates:
(3) The controller shall remove power from the engine running devices, prevent further cranking,
energize the overspeed fire pump alarm, and lock out until manually reset.
(4) Resetting of the overspeed circuit shall be required at the engine and by resetting the controller
main switch to the off position.
(5) The controller shall not be capable of being reset until the engine overspeed shutdown device is
manually reset.
(6) Where approved by the authority having jurisdiction.
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Delete this clause and revert to extant text of 12.7.5.2.

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(1) * During automatic testing in accordance with 12.7.2.7 .

(3) The controller shall remove power from the engine running devices, prevent further cranking,
(4) Resetting of the overspeed circuit shall be required at the engine and by resetting the controller
(5) The controller shall not be capable of being reset until the engine overspeed shutdown device is
manually reset.
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12.7.5.2.1
(1) * During automatic testing in accordance with 12.7.2.7 , when permitted by the AHJ .
(a) The controller shall remove power from the engine running devices, prevent further cranking,
(b) Resetting of the overspeed circuit shall be required at the engine and by resetting the controller
(c) The controller shall not be capable of being reset until the engine overspeed shutdown device is
manually reset.

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Public Comment No. 37-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. A.11.2.4.3.4.1.1 ]
A.11.2.4.3.4.1.1
The pressure sensing line could be installed in a vertical orientation in either the top or bottom of the pipe,
however, if it is installed at the bottom it has the opportunity to gather debris, and if it is installed at the top it
has the opportunity to receive air.
The section that this is tied to has been proposed for elimination. Even if the section stays, telling people that they
can install something vertically when the main body of the standard says that it must be horizontal is wrong.

Public Comment No. 36-NFPA 20-2014 [Section No. 11.2.4.3.4.1.1]
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Attachment #3:
Committee Roster
09/18/2014
Address List No Phone Chad Duffy
Fire Pumps FIM-AAA
Gayle Pennel I 4/17/1998 R. T. Leicht E 1/1/1990

Chair FIM-AAA Secretary FIM-AAA
Aon Fire Protection Engineering State of Delaware
4 Overlook Point Office of State Fire Marshal
Lincolnshire, IL 60069-4302 4 Drummond Drive
Wilmington, DE 19808
International Fire Marshals Association
Alternate: Michael R. Moran
Michael E. Aaron SE 10/28/2008 Timothy Ballengee M 3/15/2007

Principal FIM-AAA Principal FIM-AAA
Hughes Associates/RJA Group Peerless Pump Company
600 West Fulton Street, Suite 500 2500 Regency Parkway
Chicago, IL 60661-1241 Cary, NC 27518
Alternate: Timothy J. LaRose Alternate: Timothy Jordan
James A. Beals SE 11/2/2006 Thomas R. Boccetti U 4/3/2003

Jacobs Engineering The DuPont Company, Inc.
1100 North Glebe Road, Suite 500 Brandywine 7211
Arlington, VA 22201 1007 Market Street
Wilmington, DE 19898
NFPA Industrial Fire Protection Section
Marinus Both IM 7/28/2006 Pat D. Brock SE 7/1/1996

Western States Fire Protection Company Oklahoma State University
d.b.a. Statewide Fire Protection Fire Protection & Safety Technology
3130 Westwood Drive 1424 West Liberty Avenue
Las Vegas, NV 89109 Stillwater, OK 74075
Alternate: Michael Koska Alternate: Floyd Luinstra
Hugh D. Castles U 10/3/2002 Stephen A. Clark, Jr. I 3/4/2008

Entergy Services, Inc. Allianz Risk Consulting, LLC
213 Travis Trail 1003 Reece Drive
Madison, MS 39110 Hoschton, GA 30548
Edison Electric Institute Alternate: Andrew C. Higgins
Mohammad Dadgardoust SE 08/09/2012 Alan A. Dorini IM 1/1/1990

Leber/Rubes Inc. (LRI) Gulfstream Pump & Equipment, Inc.
2300 Yonge Street, Suite 2100 PO Box 14543
Toronto, ON M4P 1E4 Canada Fort Lauderdale, FL 33302
Alternate: A. M. Fred Leber Alternate: Jerald G. Huff
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Fire Pumps FIM-AAA
David B. Fuller I 10/6/2000 Dana R. Haagensen E 01/14/2005

FM Global Framingham Fire Department
1151 Boston Providence Turnpike 10 Loring Drive
PO Box 9102 Framingham, MA 01702-8767
Norwood, MA 02062-9102 Alternate: Bradford T. Cronin
Alternate: Matthew Paine
David R. Hague I 3/4/2009 Bill M. Harvey IM 7/20/2000

Liberty Mutual Insurance Harvey & Associates, Inc.
20 Riverside Road PO Box 818
Weston, MA 02493-2231 Fountain Inn, SC 29644
Alternate: Joseph R. Sanford American Fire Sprinkler Association
Alternate: Thomas G. Wellen
Hatem Ezzat Kheir IM 7/22/1999 John R. Kovacik RT 1/1/1990

Kheir Group UL LLC
24B Anwer El Mofty Street 333 Pfingsten Road
Nasr City, Cairo, Egypt Northbrook, IL 60062-2096
Alternate: Mohamed Ezzat Kheir Alternate: Kerry M. Bell
Jennifer A. McGrath M 3/1/2011 Charles W. McKnight U 7/29/2005

Pentair Battelle Energy Alliance
800 Airport Road PO Box 1625, Mail Stop 3425
North Aurora, IL 60542 Idaho Falls, ID 83415
Alternate: Leroy Franklin
James S. Nasby SE 10/28/2008 Peter Placidus Petrus E 10/18/2011

Columbia Engineering Indonesian Fire & Rescue Foundation
8210 Karlov Avenue Indonesian Fire Service Association
Skokie, IL 60076-2736 Jalan Alam Asri 1/TK. 33
Jakarta, 12310 Indonesia
Milosh T. Puchovsky SE 8/2/2010 Jeffrey R. Roberts I 7/12/2001

Worcester Polytechnic Institute XL Global Asset Protection Services
Department of Fire Protection Engineering 128 Twin Oaks Drive
100 Institute Road Brandon, MS 39047
Worcester, MA 01609 Alternate: Brandon W. Frakes
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Michael A. Rothmier L 03/05/2012 Richard Schneider M 1/1/1990

UA Joint Apprenticeship Committee LU 669 Joslyn Clark Controls
1315 Berrytree Drive 1202 W. Manor Drive
Sugarland, TX 77479 Lancaster, SC 29720
United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association
Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry Alternate: William F. Stelter
Alternate: Gregory A. Bartels
Darrell A. Snyder M 4/3/2003 Hansford Stewart M 10/10/1998

Patterson Pump Company Xylem/A-C Fire Pump Systems
2129 Ayersville Road Dallas Integrated Solutions
PO Box 790 10661 Newkirk Street
Toccoa, GA 30577 Dallas, TX 75220
Hydraulic Institute Alternate: Brian Buscher
Alternate: John P. Kahren
Jim Vanden Boogard M 8/5/2009 Terry L. Victor IM 10/23/2003

Cummins NPower, LLC Tyco/SimplexGrinnell
875 Lawrence Drive 705 Digital Drive, Suite N
De Pere, WI 54115-3910 Linthicum, MD 21090-2267
Alternate: John Laka National Fire Sprinkler Association
Alternate: Kenneth E. Isman
John Whitney M 10/1/1996 Gregory A. Bartels L 03/05/2012

Principal FIM-AAA Alternate FIM-AAA
Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc. Sprinkler Fitters LU 669-JATC
100 Progress Place 7050 Oakland Mills Road, Suite 100
Cincinnati, OH 45246-1718 Columbia, MD 21046
Alternate: Kevin Kunkler United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of the
Plumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry
Principal: Michael A. Rothmier
Kerry M. Bell RT 4/15/2004 Brian Buscher M 03/03/2014

Alternate FIM-AAA Alternate FIM-AAA
UL LLC AC Fire Pump Systems
333 Pfingsten Road 8200 North Austin Avenue
Northbrook, IL 60062-2096 Morton Grove, IL 60053-3205
Principal: John R. Kovacik Principal: Hansford Stewart
Bradford T. Cronin E 8/2/2010 Brandon W. Frakes I 10/23/2003

Newport Fire Department XL Global Asset Protection Services
21 West Marlborough Street 196 Shady Grove Lane
Newport, RI 02840 Advance, NC 27006
Principal: Dana R. Haagensen Principal: Jeffrey R. Roberts
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Leroy Franklin M 10/23/2013 Andrew C. Higgins I 03/05/2012

Pentair Allianz Risk Consultants, LLC
800 Airport Road 38 Kilbride Drive
North Aurora, IL 60542 Pinehurst, NC 28374
Principal: Jennifer A. McGrath Principal: Stephen A. Clark, Jr.
Jerald G. Huff IM 10/27/2009 Kenneth E. Isman IM 1/1/1990

J&J Fire Protection Inc. National Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.
4628 North Hiatus Road 40 Jon Barrett Road
Sunrise, FL 33351 Patterson, NY 12563-2164
Principal: Alan A. Dorini Principal: Terry L. Victor
Timothy Jordan M 03/03/2014 John P. Kahren M 10/27/2009

Grundfos/Peerless Pump Company SPP Pumps, Inc.
330 North Division Drive, Suite G 6716 Best Friend Road
Sugar Grove, IL 60554-9800 Norcross, GA 30071
Principal: Timothy Ballengee Principal: Darrell A. Snyder
Mohamed Ezzat Kheir IM 10/29/2012 Michael Koska IM 08/11/2014

Kheir Group National Fire Suppression/Western States Fire Protection
24B Anwer El Mofty Street Company
Nasr City, Cairo, 11371 Egypt 501 Sunshine Road
Principal: Hatem Ezzat Kheir Kansas City, KS 66115-1239
Principal: Marinus Both
Kevin Kunkler M 10/23/2013 John Laka M 7/23/2008

Clarke Fire Protection Products, Inc. Cummins NPower, LLC
3133 East Kemper Road 875 Lawrence Drive
Cincinnati, OH 45241 De Pere, WI 54115-3910
Principal: John Whitney Principal: Jim Vanden Boogard
Timothy J. LaRose SE 7/29/2005 A. M. Fred Leber SE 08/09/2012

Hughes Associates/RJA Group Leber/Rubes Inc. (LRI)
6 Centerpointe Drive, Suite 760 Yonge Eglinton Center
LaPalma, CA 92646 2300 Yonge Street, Suite 2100
Principal: Michael E. Aaron PO Box 2372
Toronto, ON M4P 1E4 Canada
Principal: Mohammad Dadgardoust
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Fire Pumps FIM-AAA
Floyd Luinstra SE 10/18/2011 Michael R. Moran E 10/4/2001

Oklahoma State University State of Delaware
499 Cordell South Office of the State Fire Marshal
Stillwater, OK 74078 2307 MacArthur Road
Principal: Pat D. Brock New Castle, DE 19720
International Fire Marshals Association
Principal: R. T. Leicht
Matthew Paine I 10/23/2013 Joseph R. Sanford I 8/5/2009

FM Global Liberty Mutual Property Risk Engineering
1151 Boston-Providence Turnpike 20 Riverside Road
Norwood, MA 02062-9102 Weston, MA 02493-2231
Principal: David B. Fuller Principal: David R. Hague
William F. Stelter M 7/1/1993 Thomas G. Wellen IM 11/2/2006

Master Control Systems, Inc. American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.
910 North Shore Drive 12750 Merit Drive, Suite 350
PO Box 276 Dallas, TX 75251
Lake Bluff, IL 60044 Principal: Bill M. Harvey
National Electrical Manufacturers Association
Principal: Richard Schneider
Edward D. Leedy 1/1/1990 James W. Nolan 1/1/1965

Member Emeritus FIM-AAA Member Emeritus FIM-AAA
2033 Butterfly Lane, CC304 James W. Nolan Company
Naperville, IL 60563 633 Florence Drive
Park Ridge, IL 60068
Chad Duffy 4/18/2011

Staff Liaison FIM-AAA
National Fire Protection Association
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169-7471

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Technical Committee on Fire Pumps (FIM-AAA)

DATE: October 2, 2014

Additional Meeting Information:

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

Wednesday, October 22, 2014

1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM

Key Dates for the Annual 2015 Revision Cycle

Proposal Closing Date July 8, 2013

Regulations and Guiding Documents

General Procedures for Meetings

NFPA 20 Public Input meeting

Orlando, FL – October 1 thru 3, 2013

1. Chairman Gayle Pennel called the meeting to order at 8 AM.

2. A presentation was furnished by Doug Stevens regarding transducers.

3. Recessed in order for the Task Groups to deliberate.

4. Reconvened at 1:00 PM.

5. All attendees made self-Introductions; See attached attendance.

7. Chairman Pennel provided standard meeting instructions

10. A presentation was furnished by Jim Nasby regarding electrical connectivity.

a. Task Group on Chps 4, 6, &7 by Darrell Snyder

b. Task Group on Chp 5 by David Fuller

c. Task Group on Chp 8 by Jennifer McGrath

d. Task Group on Chps 9 & 10 by Hugh Castles

e. Task Group on Chps 11 & 12 by John Whitney

f. Task Group on Chp 13 by Alan Dorini

g. Task Group on Chp 14 by Bill Harvey

h. Task Group on Electric Grid Reliability by Dana Haagensen

12. Session recessed at 6:10PM

16. Session recessed at 6:25PM

Gayle Pennel, Chair

Public Comment No. 33-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 3.3.41 ]

3.3.41 Record Drawing (As-Built).

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth Isman

Public Comment No. 35-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.3.1 ]

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kenneth Isman

Public Comment No. 39-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.13.1.3 ]

4.13.1.3 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Diesel Engines.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William Stelter

Public Comment No. 40-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.13.1.4 ]

4.13.1.4 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Electric Drivers.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William Stelter

Public Comment No. 9-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.13.1.4 ]

4.13.1.4 Fire Pump Buildings or Rooms with Electric Drivers.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: James Nasby

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Jim Muir

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: James Nasby

Public Comment No. 41-NFPA 20-2014 [ Section No. 4.20.2.9.2 ]

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: William Stelter