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Sura 3 - Ayat 28
Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)
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http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/03/taqiyya-does-islam-promote-
deception.html
This post is not making a point so much as exploring an issue. When the doctrine
of taqiyya is brought forth along with the appropriate verses and ahadith, an
uninformed onlooker would easily conclude that deception is a part of Islam.
However, I wish for the Christians and Muslims who frequent this blog to explore
this issue before I present any conclusion. Let's hear the arguments and the
defenses, and let's let the Muslims defend their doctrine. If they can clarify the
doctrine to be a noble one, then that would be great and this will not be an issue
of division. If not, the non-Muslims will have solid reason to believe that ignoble
principles are advanced by Allah.
This verse implies that Muslim can be deceptive with non-Muslims, feigning
friendship "by way of precuation":
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than
believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way
of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them.
Surah 3:28
This hadith states that people are allowed to lie if the purpose is to make peace
between people:
This hadith shows Muhammad allowing a lie to be told in order to kill an enemy:
The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad
bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the
affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like."
The Prophet replied, "I do".
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:271
Example of Taqiyya?
Labels: Taqiyya
19 comments:
Jesse said...
I hope promoting myself won't get me booted from your site, but I wrote and article
for Answering-Islam titled, 'Is Lying a Sin or Just a Good Strategy'. For those
interested in the topic, it may be a good read.
[begin quote]"Reference 1:
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Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Durr al-Manthoor Fi al-Tafsir al-
Ma'athoor," narrates Ibn Abbas', the MOST renowned and trusted narrator of
tradition in the sight of the Sunnis, opinion regarding al-Taqiyya in the
Quranic verse: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers
unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, (they) shall have no
relation left with Allah except by way of precaution ("tat-taqooh"), that
ye may guard yourselves ("tooqatan") from them....[3:28]" that Ibn Abbas
said:
"al-Taqiyya is with the tongue only; he who has been COERCED into
saying that which angers Allah (SWT), and his heart is comfortable
(i.e., his TRUE faith has NOT been shaken.), then (saying that which
he has been coerced to say) will NOT harm him (at all); (because) al-
Taqiyya is with the tongue only, (NOT the heart)."
Jesse said: "I hope promoting myself won't get me booted from your site . . ."
You'd have to do some major stuff to get booted from our site. Thus far, only one
person has ever been booted.
Taylor said...
al-Ṭabarī says on sūra XVI, 108 ( Tafsīr , Būlāḳ1323, xxiv, 122): "If any one is
compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, in
order to escape his enemies, no blame falls on him, because God takes his servants as
their hearts believe". The reason for this verse is unanimously said to have been the
case of ʿAmmār b. Yāsir [q.v.], whose conscience was set at rest by this revelation
when he was worried about his forced worshipping of idols and objurgation of the
Prophet.
Bryant said...
Well this Muslim Imam lies against his own brother. I don't think thats what
Muhammad meant. The Hadith you quoted seems to imply that it is ok to lie against
"enemies" of Islam, not fellow Muslims.
I know there isn't much by way of context that would help to nail this down, but it
appears to me just from reading it that the second quote you supplied - Sahih Bukhari
3:49:857 - justifies one Muslim lying to another Muslim, not just to an unbeliever.
My last post was a response to the general point of the thread...I didn't see Bryant's
post until I hit the refresh button.
What do you think of the second quote, Bryant? Do you think it looks like a
justification for lying to a "fellow" Muslim? That was my impression at first glance.
Muslims are allowed to lie to their fellow Muslims for certain causes (e.g. to make
peace when Muslims are arguing). But this doesn't seem to fit.
Bryant said...
Semper Paratus,
Actually, yes this Hadith does appear to teach that it is ok for Muslims to lie to each
other to make peace. In a weird twisted way Muhammad seems to be teaching that
peace formed on the basis of lies is really truly peace. This is insane.
Still, I believe that it would be a far stretch for the Imam to use this Hadith in order to
justify his actions. However, with the Muhammadans, twisting texts is never a far
stretch.
March 20, 2009 1:53 AM
Bfoali said...
Unless he is "at war" with his fellow muslims to gain leadership of the mosque, in
which case... perhaps he doesn't consider them.... muslims.
I dunno...
DAN12345 said...
God is not a liar and doesnt want his people lying for any reason at all,that is the
whole point never there should be a valid reason for any religion to condone and
allow lying.........You will know a bad tree from the fruit it produces,,,if allah is telling
its followers to lie, then it shows if its God or not
Taylor said...
Many Muslims, even in the West, believe that they are currently at war (against U.S.
& others). Because of that, many Muslims feel that it's permissible to lie.
Also, Muslims lie by not expressing their true beliefs about the violent nature of
Islam, because if they did not, they would be in danger of being imprisoned.
Some Muslims intentionally lie when they say: "Islam is a religion of peace," when in
reality the aim of Islam which was clearly taught by Muhammad is to rule the world.
March 20, 2009 12:41 PM
Fernando said...
I had a quite longue debatte with Ibn (iff I can remenber it whell) on the meaning of
taqiyya...
the problemm itt seamed, was on the interpretation off "in case of danger"... does this
mean:
so: inn whatt do we stand? perhaps some mislim reader can educate us all based on
solidd documentes...
KeithTruth said...
http://keithtruth.blogspot.com/2009/03/contra-sami-zaatari.html
Series refuting what the snake said in his last rebuttal, closing and Q&A after I was
banned from the debate.
BlackBaron said...
HA! It looked like a Way of the Master segment when the reporter asks the Imam if
he's lying and the Imam gets mad and yells "NO, YOU LIE!". Too funny.
I am currently unable to view the video due to the firewall at work, but I do have a
comment on what I have read: I do not see how the second quotation from Sahih
Bukhari supports the doctine of taqiyya. When Muhammad bin Maslama states
"...allow me to say what I like", this does not imply a false statement in and of itself.
Could it not also be referring to making an opinionated or preferential statement? This
excerpt as a stand-alone is too vague to make a solid conclusion.
Please clarify.
Claude L said...
What is astonishing and frightening with Islam is the fact that it doesn’t teach not to
lie and not to kill anytime as a basic principle like all other religions do, but it teaches
when to kill and when to lie. It teaches when you may or must kill a Muslim, a
women, a daugther, a wife, a khafir, an unbeliever. It teaches that you may or must lie
if it serves the cause of Islam. Muslims can argue as they want on interpretation of
words or sentences but the facts do and will remain unchanged at the end. Only
Muslims admit killing and lying as a religious duty, evetually. But not too much…just
enough. Allah is great ! And Muhammad too, for sure.
Fernando said...
Yes Claude L... you're righte... and that's whate is fascinatting to manie people about
islam: it does nott rekire them to overcome theyre "animal instincts" of hunger,
violence, lust, revenge, hatre, decieve, and so onn... they don't need to be more
humans... theu can be just like an narcisistic (pseudo)omnipotent two-years olde child
who cries and beats when he does not habe what he wantes... islam is also a "mentall
desiesed" in many aspectes... if you follow the DSM or the ICD-10 (the internationall
catalogation of health problems, speciallie the section on metal problems), you just
will understand mie words... I'm deeply sorrow for muslims around the world...
LYING
The morality of lying is one of the most confusing aspects of Islamic thought and, as a result,
creates the impression that whether a person is truthful, or deceitful, depends entirely on the
ethics of the situation.
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know
(what it is). (YA, al-Baqarah 2:42)
There are TWO categories of lies which are not tolerated in Islam:
Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah, or
saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or
(again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what Allah hath revealed"? If
thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at
death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying), "Yield up your
souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that
ye used to tell lies against Allah, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" Sura
6:93
Lying to, or about, fellow Muslims is also a sin according to the Traditions.
One of the most interesting moral dilemmas for Islam are the cases in which lying is
permitted
The Traditions tell us that there are three instances where deception can be used:
Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum
daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first
emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon
him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon
him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst
people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good.
Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything
what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing
reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of
the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife
to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation
between them). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih
al-Bukhari 3.857)
More information is provided by William Muir's "Life of Mahomet", Volume I, footnote 88:
The first is borne out by Mahomet's express sanction. Ammar ibn Yasir
was sorely persecuted by the pagans of Mecca, and denied the faith for his
deliverance. The Prophet approved of his conduct: - "If they do this again,
then repeat the same recantation to them again." Katib al Wackidi; p. 227
½. Another tradition preserved in the family of Yasir, is as follows: - "The
idolators seized Ammar, and they let him not go until he had abused
Mahomet and spoken well of their gods. He then repaired to the Prophet,
who asked of him what had happened." - "Evil, oh Prophet of the Lord! I
was not let go until I had abused thee, and spoken well of their gods." -
"But how," replied Mahomet, "dost thou find thine own heart?" - "Secure
and steadfast in the faith." - "Then," said Mahomet, "if they repeat the
same, do thou too repeat the same." Ibid. Mahomet also said that
Ammar's lie was better than Abu Jahl's truth.
To persuade a woman
As to the third, we have a melancholy instance that Mahomet did not think
it wrong to make false promises to his wives, in the matter of Mary his
Egyptian maid.
[This article provides more information on this incident.]
Muhammad treated truth and deception according his own style of situational ethics.
Muhammad condoned, and actually permitted, lying to further his goals:
For example,
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah
and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's
Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin
Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The
Prophet said, "You may say it." ... (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369, cf. the article on Ka'b bin
Al-Ashraf for further details)
Muhammad clearly condoned dishonesty, as well as murder, when it suited his purposes.
Lying today
Note that Al-Ghazali is one of the most famous and respected Muslim theologians of all time.
One of the foundational theological problems for Islam in this matter is the fact that Allah
prides himself to be "the best of deceivers" (Âl 'Imran 3:54, Al-Anfal 8:30). How then can
deception be negative and morally wrong for Muslims when it is a matter of pride for Allah,
the god of Islam? For a detailed discussion of this matter, see Allah – The Greatest
Deceiver of them All and further articles listed under DECEPTION.
One specific instance of a Muslim missionary using deception to make Islam look more
acceptable to a Western audience: Sunni Muslims and Taqiyyah.
One should always be very cautious and careful regarding debating Muslims, as many see no
problem to use lies and deception on those occasions. Oftentimes, they do not understand
dialogue and debate meetings as an open and honest exchange of convictions, but it is part of
the Islamic war against unbelievers in another form, and "war is deceit" as Muhammad said.
A couple of examples are given in these articles:
And deception (a.k.a. the wise choice of words) also features in the high-profile "dialogue"
initiated by a letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the leaders of all Christian churches, see the
detailed analysis The Truth About "A Common Word" and other material provided in our
overview page on "A Common Word Between Us And You".
Two articles giving details regarding a particularly blatant case of Muslim lies for political
expediency:
One particular deception that resulted in great destruction and the killing of innocent people:
• The Muhammad Cartoon Hoax (for further discussion of the cartoon issue,
see Is Islam above Criticism?)
Sunni Muslims often criticize the Shi'a for their use of Taqiyya, or not showing their faith
openly. In other words, if a Shi'a Muslim's life is in danger, he may lie as long as he holds
true to Ali in his heart.
Related:
By Sami Zaatari
most common claims thrown against Muslims is that the prophet Muhammad allowed Muslims to lie. Christi
around claiming that Muslims are allowed to lie, and they often make these claims on their websites and serm
ans are guilty of intentionally distorting what the prophet Muhammad really said, since when we look at wha
id, it is nothing near the claims the Christians are making.
st be said, that lying is forbidden in Islam, however so, UNDER 3 OCCASIONS, it is not. This point must be ma
it is only under 3 specific circumstances in which a Muslim is allowed to lie, not like the Christian tries to ma
ms are always allowed to lie.
can see, Muslims are allowed to only lie during battle, essentially in war. Muslims are allowed to lie in order t
ween two people, and also when a wife and husband are fighting with each other and they lie to bring about
oblems.
see, there is nothing wrong or extreme about that now is there? During war, many people will lie; this is how
y comes to you asking you where you're other soldiers are, would you tell him? Off course not, and if you we
giving the enemy army some information, you would give him false information. This is something very com
s, and is practiced by every single army and every practicing soldier yet no one says they are commiting a c
bad! How ironic American Marines who kill, rape, and bomb innocent Iraqis are hailed as heroes by many Ch
t yet they have a problem with a command from the Prophet Muhammad allowing people to lie in war!
more ironic it is, that Americans have no problems with the CIA and US military being taught on how to give
n to enemies during war, and see it as something very normal and okay, yet when Islam permits the same ty
Christian goes all crazy shouting out evil! Such double standards simply reflect the low character of such Ch
NLY referring to those Christians who use these double standards.
ational person would lie during war to save yourself, or your comrades, and only a fool would say this is som
d circumstance, in which a person is allowed to lie, is when you want to bring peace between 2 people. Again
ike something evil? If two of your best friends were fighting, and the only way to bring a peace between bot
to make something up, would you not do it? Off course you would, and many of you have done so.
mething very normal, and logical, and this is something any person would do. Your intention is not to cause p
r intention is to cause good and peace, only a fool would argue saying to lie to make peace is bad. If a lie cou
end war, or blood-shed, or violence, would you not lie to end it and bring the peace? Only an idiot would say
ircumstance of when it's permissible to lie is when you are trying to fix things up between your wife or husba
his something wrong or evil? The majority of married people have lied to each other to fix things up, and this
no one has a problem with it or cries out evil! Yet when Islam allows such a rational act, the Christians go ma
r, the intention of this is something good, not to bring evil, you are doing this to fix your marriage, and to rec
u are not doing this to do bad things.
st be said, Muslims cannot use this hadith to always lie to their husbands and wives intentionally, no, it is onl
ion is to really fix things up, then you can commit the lie. You cannot commit the lie to simply help yourself,
ck to doing bad things, and lie again, and play around. This is not how it goes.
can see, Islam only allows you to lie under special circumstances, and as we saw, there is nothing evil about
nces, and only a fool would argue that this is something bad and evil.
usion, Christians should stop claiming that Muslims are allowed to lie for fun or whenever they feel like, that
false and is an intentional lie and a distortion of the facts. Muslims are only allowed to lie under 3 specific
nces, and as you can see, it is something very natural to lie in these 3 specific circumstances, and it must be
d intention, to save your life or the life of your fellow soldiers and army.
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