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[–] Rose_bud16 143 points 17 hours ago
My aunt and uncle are named Jim and Linda... I think the universe likes those names together lol
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[–] Skipper07B 43 points 10 hours ago
I wonder if everyone commenting just happens to know the same Jim and Linda...
[–] belleoftheyuleball [ ] 21 points 16 hours ago
My cousin Jim married a woman named Linda... :)

[–] LLFoolJ 37 points 15 hours ago
My cousin Jim married a man named Jim

[–] Theemuts 6 40 points 13 hours ago
This really rustles my jimmies

[–] OldFartNo2 19 points 11 hours ago
That's what they did on their wedding night

[–] pacific-oh 9 points 6 hours ago
My cousin Jim married a woman named Pam.

[–] Enviromint 1 point 5 hours ago
To shreds you say

[–] ValerianCandy 7 points 13 hours ago
Do Y'all refer to them as JimJim in conversations?

[–] adykaty 1 point 4 hours ago
Jim squared
[–] YouWantSMORE 2 points 7 hours ago
my uncle Lim married the liquor and adopted the name Jahey
[–] e_to_the_pi_i 7 points 6 hours ago
At least until a Betty comes along

[–] TheSuppishOne 6 points 14 hours ago
Holy shit my mom’s sister is Linda and she married a Jim. I also have an Aunt Linda and Uncle
Jim!
[–] iWriteBadPoems 1 point 5 hours ago
Same! My Aunt Linda is my mom's twin.

[–] yes_its_him 2 points 6 hours ago
You have an aunt Jim and an uncle Linda?

[–] baronvonredd 1 point 15 hours ago
my father's second wife is named Linda His name is also Jim

[–] fi_dink 1 point 7 hours ago
I too have an Uncle Jim and Aunt Linda.

[–] TheDovahofSkyrim 1 point 5 hours ago
Holy shit my next door neighbors names are Jim and Linda
[–] an916 94 points 15 hours ago
Proof we are living in a simulation

[–] blalalablalablaw 36 points 12 hours ago
Sounds like a glitch.

[–] Furs_And_Things 10 points 9 hours ago
Glitch in the simulation

[–] PsychotherapeuticLie 11 points 8 hours ago
r/glitch_in_the_matrix
[–] TheSpicyGuy 7 points 7 hours ago
Nah just recycled code.

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[–] DistortoiseLP 53 points 15 hours ago
I keep thinking that I've accidentally highlighted the thumbnail and it's bothering the shit out of
me.
[–] TrumpsPissSoakedWig 6 points 14 hours ago
Go home to Linda, Jim.

You're drunk.
[–] Onlymgtow88 -1 points 11 hours ago
That’s just bizarre.

[–] ZarosGuardian 16 points 14 hours ago
Woah, that's actually pretty hilarious, and those odds must be absolutely astronomical that this
would ever happen. I've heard about this, and it's absolutely astonishing.
[–] solaceFromSolitude 24 points 10 hours ago
I think this is what most people call "genetics" at work. It works on more levels than just how
big your nose is going to be. It creates your brain too. It does not surprise me they were
inclined towards the same hobbies. What is odd is the names of the women they picked. But
hey, get 1000 twins and you will eventually find a sample even at those odds.
[–] dusmeyedin 1 point 6 hours ago*
They *actually found a set of separated twins where they grew up and happened to install
a circular bench surrounding a tree in their respective lawns.
[–] bobnicholson 7 points 6 hours ago
Were you half actually when typing this?

[–] Goldenoir 1 point 5 hours ago
Mmm no not really. I'd say I was more whole grain

[–] dusmeyedin 1 point 3 hours ago
Love Actually!
[–] AngryPeon1 -1 points 5 hours ago
Wow, invoking genetics to describe brain differences? You're such a nazi. /s

[–] random_testaccount 2 points 4 hours ago
And besides these cherrypicked similarities, they each had about a million details in their lives
not in common, but never let a basic understanding of statistics get in the way of a good
anecdote.
Take two random people of the same age and living in the same culture. Measure a few
thousand properties of each of them and compare. Pick all the ones they have in common and
discard the rest. There's your miracle for you.

[–] Thermic_ 3 points 4 hours ago
Lol saying it so matter of factly. Those similarities are not cherry-picked, and adding all of
the things they don’t have in common to this wouldn’t make the outstanding parts any less
amazing. You need more soul
[–] butiorderedpizza 58 points 16 hours ago
I can’t believe they both married the same woman and then did it again with another. How did
they miss each other for so long?
[–] yes_its_him 10 points 6 hours ago
The fact that they were twins made it easier to keep from being found out.
They just spent a lot of time in the garage.
[–] chacham2 1 point 3 hours ago
...While doing magic shows and cutting off their fingers.

[–] yes_its_him 1 point 1 hour ago
Or else one of the Jims cloned himself at age 37.

[–] chacham2 2 points 1 hour ago
Darn it, Jim! I'm a doctor not a clonologist.

[–] SusanForeman 18 points 13 hours ago
The parents' names?

Albert and Einstein
[–] shill_420 1 point 2 hours ago
The father was Einstein

[–] YoureWorstGrammer 7 points 13 hours ago
They also both had dogs named toy.

[–] Reybacca 29 points 16 hours ago
John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln in a theater and fled to a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald
shot JFK from a warehouse and fled to a theater.
[–] Dabookadaniel 14 points 9 hours ago
There is an entire list of comparisons that have been drawn in terms of Lincoln and Kennedy.
Most of them are coincidence, some are surreal, some are straight bs. But the one major eerie
coincidence that people don’t seem to bring up as much is that John Wilkes Booth’s brother
saved Abraham Lincoln’s son in a train yard in Jersey City, NJ before the assassination. That
one is pretty incredible.
[–] Kryptografik 2 points 6 hours ago
Wait, is that true? Sauce?

[–] So_be 1 point 2 hours ago
Yes it is actually true. Don’t have the sauce handy but Lincoln’s son had stumbled off a
train station platform and Edwin Booth pulled him back up. The young Lincoln even
knew who his savior was.
Edwin Booth was one of the finest Shakespearean actors this country ever produced
and was enormously famous. There is a great movie about him called The Prince of
Players.
[–] Tsmitty247 13 points 16 hours ago
Go more into the JFK/Lincoln Comparisons and tell me it’s all coincidental
[–] Monogold 17 points 14 hours ago
It actually is, if you look hard enough you can find a ton of coincidences in everything.
Vsauce has a great video on it and even touches the lincoln jfk thing
[–] bultonic 14 points 9 hours ago
No way Lincoln and JFK were both presidents too, you can't explain that coincidence.
[–] MarlinMr 1 point 5 hours ago
Yeah, I mean, did both Jims drive the same car?

[–] hingewhogotstoned 8 points 12 hours ago
Dr Pepper has 23 flavors. Explain that!

Like Kennedy's secretary, Ms. Lincoln, asked him to not go to Dallas?

Or that Lincoln was killed in Ford's theater and Kennedy was killed in a car made by Ford -
a Lincoln?
Or that Booth killed Lincoln in a theater and ran to a barn, and Oswald killed Kennedy from
a warehouse and ran to a theater?
[–] Dabookadaniel 7 points 9 hours ago
The secretary one is outright false though

[–] OldFartNo2 1 point 5 hours ago
Good enough.
[–] TheRealNokes 6 points 13 hours ago
They were the same Linda and Betty. /s

[–] ShemhazaiX 3 points 6 hours ago
Was also the same Jim.

[–] SantaMonsanto 1 point 2 hours ago
But what was the name of his other leg?

I knew a guy whose twin found him. They subscribed to the same hunting magazine, which they
read back to front. One went to East Jefferson County High and one went to West Jefferson
County High. (When the looking twin was following a lead and looking through high school
yearbooks, the guy I knew had missed picture day that year). Their listings were in adjacent
columns in the phone book (both adopted by families with German sounding names). The guy I
knew was never told he'd been adopted, and wham! He gets a twin brother and a half sister and a
whole new "biological" family in one day.
[–] Philnormous 4 points 9 hours ago
The conspiracy theorists are going to eat this up.

[–] redhare87 2 points 7 hours ago
Maybe not, but the people who believe there’s no such thing as free will would. A common
assertion is that, if you created a facsimile of them with the same genre and atoms, they’d
make the exact same choices because ALL of our actions are determined by instinct and
biomechanics alone.
[–] Philnormous 2 points 5 hours ago
The name Linda is not encoded in human genome. And you’re not going to convince me
otherwise. I agree with instinct and bio mechanics. But the Linda to Betty twist is definitely
a conspiracy lol
The name Linda is not encoded in human genome.

Assuming the psyche is encoded in the genome, and names have subjective meaning
to us, it most certainly is in the genome.
[–] Olympiano 1 point 6 hours ago
If the twins had been swapped into one anothers family, the same story may have still
unfolded...
[–] throwawayclarkken 3 points 10 hours ago
The matrix Is glitching floks

[–] SH4D0W0733 3 points 9 hours ago
Re-using assets for the background characters.

[–] GoHomeWithBonnieJean 3 points 6 hours ago

If they're the guys I'm thinking of, what I saw is the weirdest common trait was that they both
mail ordered a particular Swedish toothpaste.
I believe one was raised by an Italian family in New York in the other by a Jewish Family in
Florida. So culturally, they had very little in common.
[–] Acidsparx 2 points 11 hours ago
I remember reading about this in an issue of Disney Adventures.

[–] staypuftmichelinman 2 points 11 hours ago
the devs should really upgrade their npc generation algorithms.

[–] DiLisioMatrix 2 points 8 hours ago
hey i learned about this a long time ago

nice reminder
[–] iop90- 2 points 7 hours ago
Loved carpentry and math but pursued careers in security?

[–] Kilro 2 points 7 hours ago
Twin studies are full of examples like this

[–] fuckedbymath 2 points 5 hours ago
Twin entanglement.
Twintanglement.
[–] nwilhues 2 points 8 hours ago
Free will doesn’t exist

I made you say that.

[–] Baconinvader 1 point 11 hours ago
Bilocation
[–] Mister_Akuma87 1 point 9 hours ago
If you like this story, you might also like this one. Not so much coincidences, but I watched the
documentary on Netflix and it was quite interesting to watch this unfold.
Twinsters is a 2015 documentary film which covers the true-life story of identical twin sisters,
separated at birth, discovering each other on-line, meeting, confirming their identity with a
DNA test, and exploring aspects of their background together.
[–] absolutely_motivated 1 point 9 hours ago
CTRL C + CTRL V
Pfft... Anyone with enough dos would use ctrl-insert and shift-insert.
[–] Deadhead1444 1 point 8 hours ago
My dad has two brothers. All three of them have a kid born on Valentine’s Day. Different years
tho.
[–] _Dimension 1 point 8 hours ago*
identical twins reared apart tell us so much is hardcoded into us. We aren't as malleable as we
think we are.
Here is a good talk by Nancy Segal who ran the minnosota twin study.
[–] HispanicPigeon 1 point 7 hours ago
r/theydidthemath ?
[–] AMAInterrogator 1 point 7 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bHhpufKRjs
[–] ScreamingSkull 1 point 6 hours ago
entanglement
[–] statiktv 1 point 6 hours ago
Give a monkey and a typewriter enough time and you’ll get shakespear.
[–] rojm 1 point 6 hours ago
epigenetics
[–] LiveTheTruth321 1 point 5 hours ago
There were two women (not twins) that were both given up for adoption from the same mother
who both had the same name.
[–] acrossthecurve 1 point 5 hours ago
Is this another set of twins, along with the film three perfect strangers twin study?
[–] jcbubba 1 point 5 hours ago
The Linda and Betty part of this show how little any of this has to do with genetics, because it is
hard to believe that people choose partners because of names or that if they do that choice is
somehow influenced by shared genetics. Lots of Jims, Lindas and Bettys in that generation. Lots of
security guards who woodwork as a hobby. It’s a cool coincidence but that coincidence likely has
little to do with the fact that they were twins. Probably has way more to do with the fact they
were both adopted children at the same time.
[–] 21mauricio21 1 point 4 hours ago
Basically the same person, twice.

[–] AmadeusCziffra 1 point 4 hours ago
/r/thathapppened
[–] battleship61 1 point 4 hours ago
Just remember that Linda was the most popular female name during the 1950s and both Betty
and Linda were in the top 10 during the 1940s (presumably when these women were born), and
James (Jim is the short form) was the most popular male name in the 40s and 50s.
Carpentry was also something a lot of boys/men in that era were interested in or at least had
some working skill in.
There are a lot of similarities for sure, but when you break some of them down, you can find
reasonable explanations for it. I believe both were smokers, but so was virtually everyone in those
days.
[–] Downtown952 1 point 3 hours ago
Look up some studies done on Twins. Really fascinating stuff and this has happened more than
once.
[–] asparagusface 1 point 3 hours ago
Imagine how different they would have both ended up if they grew up together, changing little
things about themselves to express individualism.
Like they would be named Jim and Tim, had first wives named Linda and Cindy, and second wives
named Betty and Greta, named their sons "James" and "Timothy", dogs "Toy" and "Roy", chain-
smoked Salems and Newports, drove Chevys and Fords, were a sheriff deputy and a city cop,
vacationed on the Gulf and Atlantic beaches in Florida.
So, the same but a little different, probably.
[–] TheBadChemist 1 point 2 hours ago
More evidence that biology and predispositions are a myth

[–] SmarterThenYew 1 point 1 hour ago
OMG same! X 1,000

~those guys, probably
[–] Catssonova 1 point 14 hours ago
I'll bet they also looked just like each other. /s

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[–] Rose_bud16 143 points 17 hours ago

[–] Skipper07B 43 points 10 hours ago

[–] belleoftheyuleball [ ] 21 points 16 hours ago

My cousin Jim married a woman named Linda... :)

[–] LLFoolJ 37 points 15 hours ago

My cousin Jim married a man named Jim

[–] Theemuts 6 40 points 13 hours ago

This really rustles my jimmies

[–] OldFartNo2 19 points 11 hours ago

That's what they did on their wedding night

[–] pacific-oh 9 points 6 hours ago

My cousin Jim married a woman named Pam.

[–] Enviromint 1 point 5 hours ago

To shreds you say

[–] ValerianCandy 7 points 13 hours ago

Do Y'all refer to them as JimJim in conversations?

[–] YouWantSMORE 2 points 7 hours ago

[–] e_to_the_pi_i 7 points 6 hours ago

At least until a Betty comes along

[–] TheSuppishOne 6 points 14 hours ago

[–] iWriteBadPoems 1 point 5 hours ago

Same! My Aunt Linda is my mom's twin.

[–] yes_its_him 2 points 6 hours ago

You have an aunt Jim and an uncle Linda?

[–] baronvonredd 1 point 15 hours ago

my father's second wife is named Linda His name is also Jim

[–] fi_dink 1 point 7 hours ago

I too have an Uncle Jim and Aunt Linda.

[–] TheDovahofSkyrim 1 point 5 hours ago

[–] an916 94 points 15 hours ago

Proof we are living in a simulation

[–] blalalablalablaw 36 points 12 hours ago

Sounds like a glitch.

[–] Furs_And_Things 10 points 9 hours ago

Glitch in the simulation

[–] PsychotherapeuticLie 11 points 8 hours ago

[–] TheSpicyGuy 7 points 7 hours ago

Nah just recycled code.

[–] DistortoiseLP 53 points 15 hours ago

[–] TrumpsPissSoakedWig 6 points 14 hours ago

Go home to Linda, Jim.

[–] Onlymgtow88 -1 points 11 hours ago

That’s just bizarre.

[–] ZarosGuardian 16 points 14 hours ago

[–] solaceFromSolitude 24 points 10 hours ago

[–] dusmeyedin 1 point 6 hours ago*

[–] bobnicholson 7 points 6 hours ago