3.0406 US. v. MOUSSAOUT ‘Vol IV-A Page 891 1A. We continually talked about the theme of helping Muslims and 2 what he considered that help to be, yes. 3. Did you ask Mr. Moussaoui if he had been drafted into the I 4 Army in France? 5 A. Yes, sir. 6 Q. Is there regular conscription in France? 7B. There is. 8 Q. And what is it that Mr. Moussaoui reported to you about his 9 draft status in the country of France? 10 A. He indicated that ne had not served in the French military 11 due to some family and personal problens. 12 Q. Did you ask him about his familiarity with weapons? 13 A. Yes. 14. Why did you ask him about that? 15 A. Because my understanding is, was that frequently } 16 international terrorists train in camps. During that training 17 they receive weapons training. 18 Q. Okay. What did he report to you about his familiarity with 19 weapons? 20 He reported that he was unfamiliar with weapons, that he had ; 21 never been trained in them, that he had fired a handgun on one or 22 two occasions with some, owned by some friends in France. He said 23 he was curious about weapons and would some day like to learn 24 about them but he denied unequivocally that he had ever been 25 trained in them or used them. } Anneliese Thomson (703) 299-8595 Electronical signes by Anneli Karen Brynteson (703) 768-8122 19 Thomson (501-170-180-6434) ‘Tvec2eae-2beb-4758-0927-1310447007003.9.06 US. v. MOUSSAOUT Vol.IV-A Page 892 | 1 Q. Did you ask him particularly if he had been in terrorist 2 camps? 3. A. No, not at that time. 4 Q. Did you ask him about training with weapons, though, at all? 5 A. Yes. We asked him if he ever received any training with 6 weapons. 7 Q. And he denied that; is that right? 8 AL He did. 9 Q. All right. Now, did you ask him about what he intended to do 10 upon his completion of his training at Pan An? 11 A. He did -- we did ask him that, and he informed me that he 12 intended to return to Norman, Oklahoma and then eventually back to 13. the United Kingdom. 14. At any point did he indicate to you whether he and Mr. 15 al-Attas intended to take a sight-seeing trip in the United 16 States? a7 A. He aid. 18 0. What did he tell you about that? 19 A. He told us that he was planning to go to New York and Denver 20 as well. | 21 Q. Did he tell you when that was going to occur? 22 A, At the conclusion of his training in Minnesota. 23° Q. Did he tell you where -- I'm sorry, where in particular he 24 was going to go? 25 A. Well, when he said he was going to New York, he said he was Anneliese Thomson (708) 299-8595 Electronically signed by Annelise Thomson {501-170-180-8434) Karen Brynteson (708) 768-8122 ‘oce2cee-2beb-4758-8327-1310447007bUS. v. MOUSSAQUI Vol.IV-A 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 uw 18 19 20 22 23 24 25 going to go to see the Empire State and the White House. Q. Okay. And now -- was there anything else that you discussed during the interview on that evening? We just, we discussed leaving the interview open, that we would talk again tomorrow after we did some checks. Q. Okay, Basically, did the interview conclude then, after -~ we basically captured the large part of the interview at that time? A. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Q. And what did you do with Mr. Moussaoui at that point? A. Special Agent Wess and I transported him to Carver County jail for the night. Q. Okay, And during the drive, how far of a drive was that from the INS offices? A. 30 to 40 minutes. Q. And during that drive did you have any more conversations with Mr. Moussaoui? A. We did. Mr. Moussaoui informed us during that transport that he again reminded us of the importance of his flight training. He told us that, in fact, if we would let him go, if we would release him from TNS custody, he would complete the flight training and return so that we could deport him. @. Okay. He was pretty focused on that training; is that right? AL Extremely. It was @ constant theme during our interviews. And what did you tell him in response to that request, to let Page 893, Anneliese Thomson (703) 299-8595 Electronically signed by Ann Karen Brynteson (703) 768-8122 19 Thomson (501-170-180-8434) ‘Teee2c0e-2beb-4758-b327-13108670070