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Questions to address:
First, are the pluralist, structural functional, Marxist, and other literatures of
political science societally
reductionist?
Second, does the "statist
paradigm" remedy these defects? Third,regardless of the substantive merits of these
arguments, are there heuristic benefits flowing from this critique of the
literature
*Garson and Mcfarland's perspective showed that the statism pluralism polemic
during that time except with the classic pluralism interlude in 50s-60s the various
versions of interest group theory have operated with some measure and form of
governmental autonomy
Conceptions of State
-Watkins observed that the complexity of the intereaction be.t the govt and the
people political scientists prefer to use other terms in describing the phenomena
that was once under the concept of state
-Watkins argued that the concepts of state and sovereignty made sense during the
Treaty of wesphalia and the frensch rev but in the democratic society it is hard to
distinguish
-Watkins claim that the use of the concept of the state be in the Weberian sense
-to define the state in terms of the limit and to study the conditions that
accomany the greater or lesser degress of monopoly that have been achieved in
particular times and places
-abandonment of the concept of the state and replace it ith others was bc of the
political mobilization in the west in 19th and 20th centuries and the mergence of
new political intstitutions: pol. parties, pressure groups, mass media
-Concept of political system included the concept of the state but added new extra
legal and para legal institutions
Return to the State
Nettl
-The State as a Conceptual variable (1968)
-explain the neglect of the concept of the state in UK and US
-point made was differeing salience of the state in the US continent europe
4 Components of State (Nettl)
1. collective summates a set of functions and structures in order to generalize
their applicability
2. unit in IR= all indep nations whether having a strong or weak state
3. autonomous, distinct sector of society
4. a socio cultural phenomena
-invid, members of the state have a gneralized cognition nad perception of it
-stateness is a quanttitative variable where the strenght and weekness in indiv.
societies is comparable thru functional analysis
*Nettl's contribution is beyond the mainstream view of a state in the general area
of cnetral government
*However Nettl was not able to relate the concept of the state to ggregates su,,ats
and integrates
*It is necessary to operationalized and disaggregate the concept
Alfred Stepan
-contemporary statist movement
-critical of reductionismof the liberal pluralist and classic marxist approaches
-describes the liberal pluralist approach to the state as integrally individualist
and full committed that there can be no general good other than that from the
pursit of indiv. interests
-argues that liberal pluralism treats the state as a DV, to make the state look
like an autonomous agency
Eric Nordlinger
-empirical and positivist
-asserts autonomy of the state
-attributes societal reductionism
-avoids vague and amophous forumations
-offers an operational definition of the state
-refer to indiv. rather than to some other kinds of phenomena such as inst.
arrangements or the legal normative order
other components of the state:
-all public officials elective/appointive who are invovled in making of public
policy
-should avoid all characterizzation that varies across cases (ex:
legitimacy&sovereignty)
-definition that seeks neutrality
3 Levels of State Autonomy (Nordlinger)
Third Level (Type3)
-situtaions in which state* society perferences dont diverge and the state acts on
its own preferences
-policy adopted is the one preffered by state officials even though there is
oppositions from society
Second level of Autonomy (Type2)
-society's preferences differ from the state's pereferences but state officials
persuade society to adopt the state preferences
HIghlest level (Type 1)
-situations in which preferences of the state and society diverge
*Although Krasner and Skocpol claim for the return to the state since pluralist
empirical lit reduced the state &govt to an arean and treated the govt as a DV they
failed to cite the substantial pluralist interest group lit.
Arthur Bentley
-Process of Government
-initially did not receive any attention
-presented an analytic reduction of institutions to obervable behavior within
interest groups
David Truman
-utilitzed Bentley as an analytical model
-interest group and government processes interaction
Earl Latham
-characerizing governmental inst. as group themselves
Elmer Schattscneider
-US presidency as the principal rallying point for great public interest of the
nation the point at which the issues of public policu are discovered and exploited
Robert Dahl
-study of business interests and tariff policy in post WW2 records the attenuation
of societal influences and the attainment of state autonomy
-his work demonstrated the strong relationship between political structure and
process and the substance of public policy
La Palombara
-study of italian interest groups dealing with factors that enable the italian
bureaucracy to resist the pressure of interest groups
*Based from the literature review from the pluralist theory, group theriy and
activities of interest grouos in US&eu STRESS THE IMPORTATNCE OF INTEREST AND
PRESSURE GROUPS IN POLICY MAKING AND DO NOT SUPPORT THE REDUCTIONIST THESIS
*Lipset &Schneider argue that political sociology can be defined as the study of
interrelationship bet. society and polity. bet.social structures and political
institutions
*Political institutions are themselves social structures are often independent that
affect nonpolitical social structure
*structural functionalism was the least developed theme in the neostatist movement
-said to be societally reductionist but no attention is given to the structura
part
-properties of institutions were not taken as normatively given but as something
to be researched empirically
Concluding Reflections
-if statism fail in tis attack against pluralist reductionism and if tis positive
formulations do not convince there is still a 3rd ground--heuristic ground