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ABOUT Sunday, October 4, 2015

My name is Keith Thompson. I How can Jesus be God if He Himself Worshiped God? Pt. 1
am a Christian apologist and
documentary film maker. I
write for www.Answering-
Islam.org and am the owner of By Sam Shamoun
Reformed Apologetics
Ministries. I can be reached at
In this series of rebuttals I am going to tackle specific biblical texts that Muslims cite where Jesus is
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depicted as worshiping and praying to God in order to undermine Christian belief in the Deity of
Christ and his essential coequality to the Father. I will show that when these passages are read in
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their immediate and wider contexts they do absolutely nothing to refute the fact that Jesus is
identified as the eternal, divine Son of God who became man for our redemption.
My DOCUMENTARY FILMS

- Black Hebrew Israelites The following arguments are typical of the kind of objections raised by Muslim polemicists against
Debunked the teaching of the historic Christian faith concerning the Divinity of the Lord Jesus:
- Darwinism's Downfall
- Sword and the Crescent
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him 
- Atheists Don't Exist
- Purgatory Debunked
- Reformed Answers on the
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2) 
Roman Corruption of
Christianity ‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’
- Word of Faith Teachers: (John 16:23) 
Origins & Errors of Their
Teaching ‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit
- Joel Osteen: Origins and and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23) 
Errors of his Teaching
- Historical Case for Paul's
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself  
Apostleship: Critique of
Muslim Arguments
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not
God. 

VIDEO TEACHINGS
Jesus worshipped the only true God 
- An Historical Case for
Christ's Resurrection ‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’
- Adolf Hitler was not a
(John 17:3) 
Christian
- Refuting the Lie John Invented
Sayings of Jesus ‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12) 
- Shabir Ally & Raymond
Brown’s Redaction Criticism of ‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28) 
John
- Answering Muslims: Is Jesus How did Jesus pray to God? 
a Son Among Tons?
- Refuting Bart Ehrman’s
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
“Passion Contradictions”
Muslims Parrot
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries
- How Salvation Works: Plain
and Simple and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his
- Catholic Idol Worshiper's Big reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7) 
Justification Lie
- Jesus Sent for Jews Only?: Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself
Answering Muslims pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the
- Old Testament Genocide?: answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the
Answering "Atheists" servant of the One Who sent him. 
- The Bible and Slavery:
Answering "Atheists"
Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God? 
- Absurdities of Youtube Atheist
"CultofDusty"
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God: 

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"AronRa"
LITERAL SON OF GOD,” Compiled by Adenino Otari)
- 20 Reasons to Never Join
Islam
- The Bible Teaches Original With the foregoing in perspective we can now begin addressing these blatant distortions of what
Sin God’s revealed Word, the Holy Bible, actually says regarding the Person and majesty of Christ.
- Whalid Shoebat’s Son’s
“Christian Militancy” Teaching Jesus’ Instructions Prove that Islam is a False Religion
Refuted
- Proof Virgin Mary is not the To begin with, these texts all call into question the prophetic claims of Muhammad since they all
Ark of the Covenant basically affirm that the God whom Jesus prayed to and worshiped is the Father, specifically his
-Brief Explanation of Calvinism
Father.
- Jeffrey Daugherty's "Apostle
Paul Antichrist" Theory
Debunked Note, for instance, what John 4:23 says in context:
- Refutation of Heretic Jesse
Morrell's Documentary “The woman said to Him, ‘Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshipped
"Beyond Augustine" part 1, 2 on this mountain, but you all say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to
- Myth of Imputed worship.’  Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when neither on this
Righteousness of Christ?
Answering Heretic Jesse mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know;
Morrell WE know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. Yet the hour is coming, and is now
- A Biblical Case for here, when the true worshippers will worship THE FATHER in spirit and truth. For THE FATHER
Determinism: God's seeks such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in
sovereignty over all (Chris spirit and truth.” John 4:19-24
Gautreau)
- Defending Reformed View of
John 6 - Refuting Heretic Since Jesus clearly referred to God as Father, this means that could not have been a Muslim
Kerrigan Skelly since the deity proclaimed by Muhammad is a father to no one, not even to Jews or Christians:
- Was Judas Once a Saved True
Believer? - Refuting Heretic The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth
Kerrigan Skelly He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom
- Theory on the Origins of He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the
Papal Infallibility earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying. S. 5:18 Pickthall
-Answers to Theological
Questions Posed by YouTube
In fact, the highest relationship one can have with Allah is merely that of a slave to master
Subscribers - part 1, 2, 3
relationship:

DEBATES & DISCUSSIONS


And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced
- Is Muhammad Predicted in something hideous! The heavens are wellnigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and
the Bible? (Keith Thompson vs. the mountains wellnigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-merciful
Inamullah Mumtaz) a son; and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and
- Is Papal Primacy Primitive? earth but he comes to the All-merciful as a servant; S. 19:88-93 – cf. Q. 2:116; 6:101; 21:26;
(Keith Thompson vs. Catholic 39:4; 72:3
Minister)
- Is the Roman Catholic Papacy
Biblical and Historical? (Keith Christ, however, plainly stated that a person must become more than slave if s/he desires to
Thompson vs. Roman Catholic) abide in God’s house permanently. S/he must be set freed by God’s unique beloved Son who
- Papal Primacy and Canon came into the world for the express purpose of granting his followers the right to become
Debate (Keith Thompson vs. children of the living God:
Catholic)
- Catholic Apologist Admits he “The true Light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the
can't Historically Prove Peter
world, and the world was created through Him, yet the world did not know Him. He came
was First Roman Bishop &
to His own, and His own people did not receive Him. Yet to all who received Him, He gave
More (Keith Thompson vs.
Fidei Defensor SPQR) the power to become sons of God, to those who believed in His name, who were born not
- Is Justification by Faith of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:9-13
Alone? (Keith Thompson vs.
Catholic Peter Dimond) “Jesus answered them, ‘Truly, truly I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. Now
- Is Paul a True Apostle? (Keith a slave does not remain in the house forever, but a son remains forever. Therefore if the
Thompson vs. Muslim Nadir
Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed.’” John 8:34-36
Ahmed)
- Does the Immaculate
Conception Contradict “But when the fullness of time came, God sent forth His Son, born from a woman, born
Scripture and History? (Keith under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the
Thompson vs. Richard a Roman adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit
Catholic) of His Son, crying, ‘Abba, Father!’ Therefore you are no longer a servant, but a son, and if
-Infant Baptism Debate: Chris
a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” Galatians 4:4-7 – cf. Romans 8:3, 9-17
Gautreau vs. Zachary Kueker
(written debate)
- Is God Sovereign Over All? Hence, the very passages which Muslims thought helped their case end up actually proving that
(Chris Gautreau vs. Islam cannot be the religion that Jesus preached. After all, Jesus worshiped and referred to God
FaithandPractice) as his/the Father, whereas the god of Muhammad is a father to no one. As such, Jesus could not
- Is Christianity a Religion of have been worshiping the same God that Muhammad proclaimed, and therefore he could not
Peace? (Keith Thompson vs. have been a Muslim.
Muslim Sami Zaatari)
- Discussion with two Catholics This in turn means that Muhammad wasn’t a true prophet since he erroneously thought that his
on Interpreting Scripture
religion was the same as that of Jesus and his disciples:
- Is Free Will Biblical? (Keith

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"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Apostle: they said, 'We
- Does the New Testament
Teach the Deity of Jesus? have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'".  S. 5:111 Y. Ali
(Keith Thompson vs. Yuratchka
the Arian) More to come in the next part of our rebuttal.
- Does Scripture Teach
Predestination? (Keith
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James White Yasir Qadhi
Controversy
- The Reliability of the Gospel
of John
- Comprehensive Case Jesus
Died by Crucifixion
- Are the Gospels too late and
Unreliable?
- Original Sources the Koran
Stole its Stories from
- The Corruption of the Koran:
Evidence and New Research
- Muhammad Taught and
Practiced Offensive Jihad
- Are Muhammad and Islam
Predicted in the Bible?
- Errors in the Koran and
Ahadith
- Evidence Muhammad was
Demon Possessed
- Jesus as God Before Paul
- Some Absurd and Silly Newer Post Home Older Post
Teachings of Muhammad
- Refuting Bart Ehrman’s Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)
“Passion Contradictions”
Muslims Parrot
- Jesus Sent for Jews Only?:
Answering Muslims
- 20 Reasons to Never Join
Islam
- Is Christianity a Religion of
Peace?
- Who Wrote the Gospels?
Internal and External
Arguments for Traditional
Authorship
- Answering Sami Zaatari on
the Pharisaic Accusation that
Christ Claimed Deity
- A Case for the Deity of Christ
in Light of Muslim Objections
- The Historical Case for Paul's
Apostleship: And a Critique of
Muslim Arguments
- Muhammad's Condition in
Light of the Biblical
Description of Demonic
Possession
- Christ’s Deity in Light of not
Knowing the Day & Hour of
His Return
- Daniel 7:13-14 and Christ’s
Deity: Answering Ibn Anwar’s
Eisegesis
- The Historicity of the
Appearance to the 500 in 1
Corinthians 15:6
- Muslim Misuse of Hebrews
5:7: Does This Verse Teach
Jesus Never Died?
- Ibn Anwar’s False Charge of
Anachronistic Error: An
Exegetical Examination of

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Anachronistic Error: An
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Exegetical Examination of
Mark 2:26, Part 2
- Jesus as Divine Judge: A
Response to the Muhammedan
Site “Do Not Say Trinity”
- Bart Ehrman: A Hero For
Islam?
- Is Asking “Where did Jesus
say, ‘I am God’” a Good
Argument?
- Revisiting “Where Did Jesus
Say ‘I am God’" A Response to
the Muhammedan Site “Do Not
Say Trinity"
- Contra Paul Williams on the
Death Penalty for Apostasy &
Christianity
- Heaven vs. Jannah: Assessing
the Dilemma
- Does Muhammad Pass the 1
John 4 Prophethood Test?
- Historical and Biblical Basis
for the Trinity
- Five Reasons Why Jesus is
Not Merely a Prophet
- Answering “Jesus isn’t God
because God doesn’t change”

Catholicism

- Absence of Papal Views


Among the Earliest Christians
- The Assumption of Mary is
Unbiblical and Ahistorical
- Justification is by Faith
Alone: Issues and Evidence
- Did Roman Catholicism Give
Protestants the Bible?
- Are Roman Catholics Saved?
- Refutation of Papal
Infallibility
- Biblical Evidence Against
Peter being Pope
- Does Matthew 16 Teach Peter
was the Pope?
- Do John 21:15-17 and Luke
22:31-32 prove Peter was
Pope?
- Biblical Evidence for Sola
Scriptura
- Refuting Rome's Biblical Case
for Extrabiblical Tradition
- The Early Church Fathers
Taught Sola Scriptura
- The Bible does not teach
Mary's Immaculate Conception
- Mary is not the Ark and
Tabernacle
- The Early Church did not
Believe Rome’s Doctrine of the
Immaculate Conception of
Mary
-Mary is not Co-redemptrix,
Mediatrix of all Graces, and
Advocate
- Some of Roman Catholicism's
worst Atrocities and
Abominations of History
- Baptismal Regeneration &
Justification are False
- Refuting the Catholic
Priesthood and Penance
- Proof the Roman Catholic
Mass is unbiblical and anti-
Christian
- Historical Examination of
Roman Catholic Eucharist
Theology
- Biblical and Historical

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Non-Christians can not be
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saved by works
- “Works” and “Works of the
Law” in Paul: Interacting with
Modern Catholic Reliance on
New Perspectivism
-Peter Dimond’s Not-So-
Stunning Acts 15 Video
-Peter Dimond LIED about
dikaiosune - Plus Debate
Challenge
- Responding to
catholicapologetics.info’s
“Some Tough Questions for
Protestants”
- Is The Jewish Apocrypha
Inspired Scripture? Pt. 1
- Is The Jewish Apocrypha
Inspired Scripture? Pt. 2
- Is The Jewish Apocrypha
Inspired Scripture? Pt. 3
- Appendix: Addressing Some
Arguments in Support of the
Apocrypha

Other

- Did the NT Use Eyewitness


Sources for its Information
about Jesus?
- Are Christians Under the Law
of Moses?
- Hitler's Darwinian Motive for
Mass Murder
- An Historical Case for
Christ's Resurrection
- The Bible and Slavery:
Answering “Atheists”
- Failure of False Religions to
Account for Human Experience
-Youtube Pelagian Sinless
Perfection Cult Redefines Sin
-Whalid Shoebat’s Son’s
“Christian Militancy” Teaching
Refuted
- The Bible Teaches Original
Sin
- Jeffrey Daugherty’s “Apostle
Paul Antichrist” Theory
Debunked
- Jesus' Imputed Righteousness:
An Exegetical Case
- Refutation of Jesse Morrell’s
Documentary “Beyond
Augustine”
- Refutation of Jesse Morrell's
Documentary "Beyond
Augustine" Part 2

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