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The Knesset Candidate
Who Says Zionism
Encourages anti-
Semitism and Calls
Netanyahu 'Arch-
murderer'
Few Israelis have heard of Dr. Ofer
Cassif, the Jewish representative on
the far-leftist Hadash party's Knesset
slate. On April 9, that will change
By Ravit Hecht | Feb 16, 2019
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● Clinging to Communist past, Hadash party hopes to reunite
Israeli Arabs behind it
● The right yearns to oust the Palestinians. The left must stop it
● A feminist and a communist, this Arab lawmaker is fighting for
Palestinians and Jewish women
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Ofer Cassif is fire and brimstone. Not even the flu he’s suffering
from today can contain his bursting energy. His words are blazing,
and he bounds through his modest apartment, searching
frenetically for books by Karl Marx and Primo Levi in order to find
quotations to back up his ideas. Only occasional sips from a cup of
maté bring his impassioned delivery to a momentary halt. The
South American drink is meant to help fight his illness, he explains.
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Do you regret making those remarks?
The Hadash party primaries. Dov Kheninm Cassif’s predecessor as Hadash’s Jewish MK, is in the center
(in blue shirt). Credit: Rami Shllush
Is Netanyahu an archmurderer?
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“Yes. I wroteIsrael
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Strip. A massacre of innocent people was perpetrated there, and no
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one’s going to persuade me that those people were endangering
anyone. It’s a concentration camp. Not a ‘concentration camp’ in the
sense of Bergen-Belsen; I am absolutely not comparing the
Holocaust to what’s happening.”
You term what Israel is doing to the Palestinians “genocide.”
You say you’re not comparing, but you repeatedly come back to
Holocaust references. On Facebook, you also uploaded the scene
from “Schindler’s List” in which the SS commander Amon Goeth
picks off Jews with his rifle from the balcony of his quarters in the
camp. You compared that to what was taking place along the border
fence in the Gaza Strip.
Clarity vs. crudity
Given Cassif’s style, not everyone in Hadash was happy with his
election, particularly when it comes to the Jewish members of the
predominantly Arab party. Dov Khenin, for example, declined to be
interviewed and say what he thinks of his parliamentary successor.
According to a veteran party figure, “From the conversations I had,
it turns out that almost none of the Jewish delegates – who make up
about 100 of the party’s 940 delegates – supported his candidacy.
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election reflects
Israelinsularity
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goal of implementing change in Israeli society.”
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Hadash chairman MK Ayman Odeh also says he’s pleased with the
choice, though sources in the party claim that Odeh is apprehensive
about Cassif’s style and that he actually supported a different
candidate. “Dov went for the widest possible alliances in order to
wield influence,” says Odeh. “Ofer will go for very sharp positions at
the expense of the breadth of the alliance. But his sharp statements
could have a large impact.”
Khenin was deeply esteemed by everyone. When he ran for mayor
of Tel Aviv in 2008, some 35 percent of the electorate voted for
him, because he was able to touch people who weren’t only from
his political milieu.
Odeh: “No one has a higher regard for Dov than I do. But just to
remind you, we are not a regular opposition, we are beyond the
pale. And there are all kinds of styles. Influence can be wielded
through comments that are vexatious the first time but which
people get used to the second time. When an Arab speaks about the
Nakba and about the massacre in Kafr Kassem [an Israeli Arab
village, in 1956], it will be taken in a particular way, but when
uttered by a Jew it takes on special importance.”
He will be the cause of many attacks on the party.
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Cassif will be the News
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approach pursued by Khenin and by his predecessor in the Jewish
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slot, Tamar Gozansky, he will be something completely different. “I
totally admire what Tamar and Dov did – nothing less than that,” he
says, while adding, “But my agenda will be different. The three
immediate dangers to Israeli society are the occupation, racism and
the diminishment of the democratic space to the point of
liquidation. That’s the agenda that has to be the hub of the struggle,
as long as Israel rules over millions of people who have no rights,
enters [people’s houses] in the middle of the night, arrests minors
on a daily basis and shoots people in the back.
So you plan to be the provocateur in the next Knesset?
'Bags of blood'
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parliamentary aide
Israel to the
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Meir Wilner.
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“At first I was closer to Mapam [the United Workers Party, which
was Zionist], and then I refused to serve in the territories. I was the
first refusenik in the first intifada to be jailed. I didn’t get support
from Mapam, I got support from the people of Hadash, and I drew
close to them. I was later jailed three more times for refusing to
serve in the territories.”
Palestinian refugees flee across over the Jordan river on the damaged Allenby Bridge during the 1967
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Cassif voices clearly and cogently positions that challenge the public
discourse in Israel, and does so with ardor and charisma. Four
candidates vied for Hadash’s Jewish slot, and they all delivered
speeches at the convention. The three candidates who lost to him –
Efraim Davidi, Yaela Raanan and the head of the party’s Tel Aviv
branch, Noa Levy – described their activity and their guiding
principles. When they spoke, there was the regular buzz of an
audience that’s waiting for lunch. But when Cassif took the stage,
the effect was magnetic.
What do you mean by “right of return”?
Cassif: “The first thing is the actual recognition of the Nakba and of
the wrong done by Israel. Compare it to the Truth and
Reconciliation Commissions in South Africa, if you like, or with the
commissions in Chile after Pinochet. Israel must recognize the
wrong it committed. Now, recognition of the wrong also includes
recognition of the right of return. The question is how it’s
implemented. It has to be done by agreement. I can’t say that
tomorrow Tel Aviv University has to be dismantled and that Sheikh
Munis [the Arab village on whose ruins the university stands] has to
be rebuilt there. The possibility can be examined of giving
compensation in place of return, for example.”
But what is the just solution, in your opinion?
That means there will be Jews who will have to leave their home.
“In some places, unequivocally, yes. People will have to be told: ‘You
must evacuate your places.’ The classic example is Ikrit and Biram
[Christian-Arab villages in Galilee whose residents were promised –
untruly – by the Israeli authorities in 1948 that they would be able
to return, and whose lands were turned over to Jewish
communities]. But there are places where there is certainly greater
difficulty. You don’t right one wrong with another.”
How should that be realized?
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does it meanIsrael
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or a Frenchman,
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What’s the difference between you and the [Arab] Balad party?
Both parties overall want two states – a state "of all its citizens"
and a Palestinian state.
“In the big picture, yes. But Balad puts identity first on the agenda.
We are not nationalists. We do not espouse nationalism as a
supreme value. For us, self-determination is a means. We are
engaged in class politics. By the way, Balad [the National
Democratic Assembly] and Ta’al [MK Ahmad Tibi’s Arab Movement
for Renewal] took the idea of a state of all its citizens from us, from
Hadash. We’ve been talking about it for ages.”
“In Israel, what my Palestinian friends are doing, and I with them –
[wage] a parliamentary and extra-parliamentary struggle.”
And what about the Palestinians in the territories?
Israeli soldiers confront Palestinians protesting against land seizures for Jewish settlements, in the
village of al-Mughayyir, north of Ramallah, in the West Bank, January 25, 2019. Credit: AFP
And attacks on soldiers?
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Wherever there
Israelhas been
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there are national heroes, who in 90 percent of the cases carried out
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some operations that were unlawful. Nelson Mandela is today
considered a hero, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, but
according to the conventional definition, he was a terrorist. Most of
the victims of the ANC [African National Congress] were civilians.”
In other words, today’s Hamas commanders who are carrying out
attacks on soldiers will be heroes of the future Palestinian state?
“Of course.”
AntiZionist identity
Did Mapaistyle Zionism also encourage antiSemitism?
What in their actions encouraged antiSemitism?
“The very appeal to Jews throughout the world – the very fact of
treating them as belonging to the same nation, when they were
living among other nations. The whole old ‘dual loyalty’ story –
Zionism actually encouraged that. Therefore, I maintain that anti-
Semitism and anti-Zionism are not the same thing, but are precisely
opposites. That doesn’t mean, of course, that there are no anti-
Zionists who are also anti-Semites. Most of the BDS people are of
course anti-Zionists, but they are in no way anti-Semites. But there
are anti-Semites there, too.”
Do you support BDS?
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“It’s too complex a subject
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don’t support.”
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Do you think that the Jews deserve a national home in the Land of
Israel?
But that state is the product of the actions of the Zionist movement,
which you say has been colonialist and criminal from day one.
“That’s true, but the circumstances have changed. That’s the reason
that the majority of the members of the Communist Party accepted
the [1947] partition agreement at the time. They recognized that the
circumstances had changed. I think that one of the traits that sets
communist thought apart, and makes it more apt, is the
understanding and the attempt to strike the proper balance between
what should be, and reality. So it’s true that Zionism started as
colonialism, but what do you do with the people who were already
born here? What do you tell them? Because your grandparents
committed a crime, you have to leave? The question is how you
transform the situation that’s been created into one that’s just,
democratic and equal.”
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So, a person who survived a death camp and came here is a
criminal?
I understand that you are in favor of the annulment of the Law of
Return?
“Yes. Definitely.”
But you are in favor of the Palestinian right of return.
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United States? They
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Not Seinfeld’s.”
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Are you critical of the Arabs, too?
Hadash refrained from criticizing the Assad regime even as it was
massacring civilians in Syria. The party even torpedoed a
condemnation of Assad after the chemical attack. Do you identify
with that approach?
“Hadash was critical of the Assad regime – father and son – for
years, so we can’t be accused in any way of supporting Assad or
Hezbollah. We are not Ba’ath, we are not Islamists. We are
communists. But as I said earlier, the struggle, unfortunately, is
generally not between the ideal and what exists in practice, but
many times between two evils. And then you have to ask yourself
which is the lesser evil. The Syrian constellation is extremely
complicated. On the one hand, there is the United States, which is
intervening, and despite all the pretense of being against ISIS,
supported ISIS and made it possible for ISIS to sprout.
"I remind you that ISIS started from the occupation of Iraq. And
ideologically and practically, ISIS is definitely a thousand times
worse than the Assad regime, which is at base also a secular regime.
Our position was and is against the countries that pose the greatest
danger to regional peace, which above all are Qatar and Saudi
Arabia, and the United States, which supports them. That doesn’t
mean that we support Assad.”
Wrong language
Cassif’s economic views are almost as far from the consensus as his
political ideas. He lives modestly in an apartment that’s furnished
like a young couple’s first home. You won’t find an espresso maker
or unnecessary products of convenience in his place. To his credit, it
can be said that he extracts the maximum from Elite instant coffee.
What is your utopian vision – to nationalize Israel’s
conglomerates, such as Cellcom, the telecommunications company,
or Osem, the food manufacturer and distributor?
Does any private sector have the right to exist?
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What growth was there in the communist countries? How can
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anyone support communism, in light of the grim experience
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wherever it was tried?
A customer moves along empty shelves as she shops for groceries at a supermarket in Caracas,
Venezuela, July 25, 2017. Credit: Carlos Becerra / Bloomberg via G
And what about Venezuela?
Chavez was not enough of a socialist?
Venezuela is falling apart, people there don’t have anything to eat,
there’s no medicine, everyone who can flees – and it’s the fault of
the United States?
"You can’t deny that the regime has made mistakes. It’s not ideal.
But basically, it is the result of American imperialism and its
lackeys. After all, the masses voted for Chavez and for Maduro not
because things were good for them. But because American
corporations stole the country’s resources and filled their own
pockets. I wouldn’t make Chavez into an icon, but he did some
excellent things."
Then how do you generate individual wealth within the method
you’re proposing? I understand that I am now talking to you
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capitalistically, but the reality is that people see the accumulation
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Gantz vs. Netanyahu
Cassif was chosen as the polls showed Meretz and Labor, the
representatives of the Zionist left, barely scraping through into the
next Knesset and in fact facing a serious possibility of electoral
extinction. The critique of both parties from the radical left is
sometimes more acerbic than from the right.
Would you like to see the Labor Party disappear?
“No. I think that what’s happening at the moment with Labor and
with Meretz is extremely dangerous. I speak about them as
collectives, because they contain individuals with whom I see no
possibility of engaging in a dialogue. But I think that they absolutely
must be in the Knesset.”
Is a leftwinger who defines himself as a Zionist your partner in
any way?
I’ll put a scenario to you: Benny Gantz does really well in the
election and somehow overcomes Netanyahu. Do you support the
person who led Operation Protective Edge in Gaza when he was
chief of staff?
And if Gantz doesn’t declare his intention to eliminate the
occupation, he isn’t preferable to Netanyahu in any case?
“If so, why should we recommend him [to the president to form the
next government]? After the clips he posted boasting about how
many people he killed and how he hurled Gaza back into the Stone
Age, I’m far from certain that he’s better.”
Ravit Hecht
Haaretz Contributor
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10 David | 22:54 2 4
USA or Syria ?
It's clear, hear what Mr Cassif says: Between the USA and the
Assad regime, he chooses the Assad regime and its 400 000
dead. What a nice future is possible with Hadash party! Thus Mr
Cassif is ready to be on criminals' side against democracy...
8 Smadar | 17:25 8 5
Thank you Ravit Hecht for the excellent interview and
great questions. Dr. Ofer Cassif will not have too many
Jewish or Israeli people agreeing with him or join his
political crusade, and I say this despite the fact that my
father and mother used to be, when they were younger,
Zionist Communists, then Zionist Mapai members, then
Zionist Liberal realists!
Of course I am including my relatives who were all Iraqi Jewish
born and reside in Israel today. Once they were all socialists and
now believe in the free market and socialist safeguards by
government. First and foremost I should mention, when my father
attended Hebrew University in Jerusalem in the early 1950s as a
political science major, (he also ran for political parties) and Moshe
Dayan was in his foreign relations class, there was a professor at
the campus, who show my father a flyer/newsletter from the
Lebanese Communist Party, which stated specifically its support
of the Jewish homeland as the State of Israel in 1948. They were
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theIsrael
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Project - a Jewish state within the Muslim neighbourhood.
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Semitism, which of course we continue to experience today with
its revival unlike seen for some time. This is a development
because of a number of variables including the unresolved Israeli-
Palestinian issue, far-right political nationalism, the refugee
migrations as resulting from regional conflicts and leaders who
thrive on chaos to deflect from their responsibilities. But Zionism
refers to the fundamental notion that the Jewish people or the
Jewish nation deserve their self-determination, a sovereign
territory and refuge for those who experience anti-Semitism - the
Law of Return was created for this sole purpose - Israel as a
haven in the desert along with its inhabitants, the Palestinians
alongside. Zionism does not propagate supremacy or exploitation
of any people. Judaism entails belonging to the Israelite nation of
over 3000 years history, originating as a state in ancient Israel
through King David's unification of Judah and Israel, and having a
religious affiliation through customs and traditions. Why would Dr.
Cassif support the removal of this Jewish distinction along with its
political democratic system, unless he does not like the Jewish
people and their religion, which to me spells anti-Semitism? That's
committing genocide with the stroke of a pen! You can be secular
and Jewish. If one wishes to abandon the practices of their
religion/ethnicity, that is their own personal prerogative. There is a
spectrum of Judaism just as there is a spectrum within Islam,
Christianity, Catholicism, etc. Thirdly, I find it very difficult how Dr.
Cassif equates atrocities - I prefer this term of atrocity or plural
atrocities, committed by terrorist organizations vs.
individuals/leaders within a UN recognized government. As
Israelis, we cannot allow ourselves (the Israeli Government, which
also represents the Jewish people-at-large) to commit any
premeditated atrocity or atrocities. We know the era of colonialism
and imperialism is essentially over as globalism and geopolitics
within the free market is predominately the form of economics and
has been successful. We know, however, full well that when
dictatorial leaders such as those in terrorist organizations or
leaders such as Assad commit atrocities such as the genocide
and expulsion of millions of Syrians, there is not and will not be
anything comparable by an Israeli leader. Israel is a democracy
which is accountable for its actions. However, we have a right to
be fearful of what Hamas Palestinian leadership can gravitate
towards and this is the dilemma. Building tunnels to commit
violence towards civil Israeli society is not ethical. Using kids to do
your bidding at the border Gaza fence and potentially infiltrate into
Israel is not ethical. To continue the terrorism mandate for over 30
years towards Israel without recognizing our need for existence is
not ethical. Does the IDF build tunnels to reach kindergartens?
One can say, like Dr. Cassif, they reject those who commit
violence but what guarantee does he give us that one day Hamas
followers won't even blossom into ISIS-type of violence within a
future Palestine? I say this despite believing in two-states for two
peoples. Hamas currently executes 'traitors' without a
recognizable tribunal system. There is no equivalence to Israel's
judicial system. I am not saying Israel's justice system is always
perfect, but it is democratic. At the same time, Dr. Cassif is correct
that we should be currently concerned about committing wrongful
Palestinian deaths and putting IDF soldiers in this predicament
with the 'enemy'. Finally, Israel has to recognize the Nabka as the
Palestinian tragedy and come up with something similar as we
have in Canada with the "Truth and Reconciliation Agreement" the
Canadian Government signed with the First Nations in Canada.
We are still working on this political, cultural and economic
rectification between the Aboriginal peoples and the Canadian
Government. Nothing comes easily but we all must have hope for
peace and reconciliation despite never forgetting the past.
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@David - I am not a Communist. I'm more in line with Democratic
Socialist - Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Norwary. Yes Communism
did terrible things - all that describe and more. Communists were
also anti-Muslim. The USSR did terrible things to their Muslim
citizens. However, we must be honest and agree that so did and
does Capitalism. I don't believe in perfect systems or utopias. I
am against the Cult of Personalities that plague our world. I am a
believer in bi-nationalism because that is where the situation is
now - all commingled. Not too different from where they were prior
to 1948. What can make politics? - Evangelical fetishes of
Muslims and Jews causing Armageddon is one way of making
politics. Falwell, Hagee, Huckabee, Pence, and the Israeli right
wing are friends based on their respective politics. Not me - I'm
not a believer in Armageddon, or Messiahs of any kind. I'll try
politics based on friendship, mutual respect and not causing the
return of any Messiah.
David | 14:27 3 2
@Alexandria Khalil
Hi Alexandria. Good ! :) you don't try to make the Messiah come
or come back. I myself don't try. As for what you say about
communism and capitalism, I am not a capitalist but I really
think we can't tell communism and capitalism are equal in
fairness or unfairness. Yes, some bad things happened with
capitalism, but freedom has only happened under capitalism till
now, whereas only dictatorships happened under communism.
These are facts. As for bi-nationalism, I think it is the best way to
go into new waves of wars for decades or centuries. I sincerely
think that promoting bi-nationalism is a way to deny the other
side's legitimacy. And it isn't by chance almost all of those
supporting bi-nationalism are pro-Palestinian - it's a way to deny
self-determination for the Jewish people. As a human being, you
have to understand Jews too. We Jews need self-determination.
This is not a luxury for us. I myself live in France and it's crazy
how antisemitism grows. On the far left, on the far right and on
the Islamic side. We Jews need a state because the world is a
dangerous place for us. We refuse to go back to a time when
killing Jews was easy because we were people without a state
and people without a territory. You have to understand us as I try
to understand the Palestinians. I want a Palestinian State
because I think people can't live under occupation for eternity
and because as a Jew and a Zionist I don't like domination over
other people. We need a state to keep being free and at the
same time, I know you need a state to be free. It isn't only a
matter of peace and justice, it's a matter of safety too. But bi-
nationalism wouldn't last. At first, Jews would become a
minority fast, and there's no happy minority in the countries
being Israel's neighbors. Then, the hatred against Jews and their
presence in Palestine/Israel is too high in the Arab world for us
to survive with love and flowers. We Jews need a state and its
safety. What's more, I think it's weird for some Palestinians to
wish such fusion or merging with their decades-long enemy -
who wants to marry his enemy? The Palestinians suffered too,
and such a will is not sane. What they really want to reach
behind this will is the whole territory of what was the British
Mandate. And that's why bi-nationalism is a way to conquer
territory for the Palestinians. To me it's the same position as the
settler's one. The settlers are unable to see the Palestinians. Or
when they "see" them, they say in the future the Palestinians will
have the same rights as Jews in one Jewish state (Rivlin's
position). Both views - for the settlements and for bi-nationalism
- are unable to recognize the other side's legitimacy. Honestly, I
think many people in Israel recognize the Palestinian legitimacy
for a state, many writers and intellectuals and militants talk this
way, but on the Palestinians side nobody says a Jewish state is
legitimate - no intellectual, no writer... They can promote two
states but it isn't the same thing as saying a Jewish state is
legitimate. I think the issue here is about seeing the "other" in
the Palestinian society. And that's very sad. Even if you don't
agree with a position, diversity of views means a society can
generate a democratic debate with different views. There are
many ideas I don't like in Israel - on the far left and on the right -
but I know their existence means a diversity of thought is
created here. And at the end such a diversity is good for
everybody. Have a good day.
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Not a word about the "the Jewish Nakba" -- over 1 million
Jewish refugees from Arab/Islamic countries that were
expelled as a result of the same conflict??? ..... Today a
majority of Israel's Jewish population is descended from
such refugees from the Middle East and North Africa,
whose numbers, as well as lost property, businesses and
assets left behind, far exceed those of Arab Nakba
refugees from Israel/Palestine. ..... Accordingly, if there
was an Arab Nakba, there was also a significantly larger
Jewish Nakba, leading to an impromptu de facto
population exchange between two warring parties -- not
unlike Turks-Greeks, Muslim-Hindu Indians, Germans-
Poles, etc in the past century. ..... Accordingly:
Tom | 18:47 4 4
@CounterPoint by Joel Stein And YOU have "not a
word" about Ben-Gurion's, Weizmann's, et al role in
that!
Smadar | 18:45 11 4
@CounterPoint by Joel Stein
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@Alexandria Khalil
Alexandria, do you think Hadash, a Communist Party, can mean
any future? Communism always talked of brotherhood between
people, made perfect speeches - but how did it behave?
Massacres, deportations, dictatorships, discriminations,
antisemitism, etc. Then, I don't think individual stories or
friendships can make politics. We have to see issues in a
political way. The Jewish people need a state, and the
Palestinian people need a state. Only a share is fair. That's it,
even if the Arab or Jewish neighbor isn't friendly.
ravit Hetch
I have a great Idea
Gideon Levy, Amira Hass and this nutcase should establish a new
party and call it.....Hate Israel.......they can throw a coin to decide
on who will lead and be 1 or 2
Paul | 18:48 4 1
@quodlibet
I don't think so.....but thanks
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