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Caesar II Soil Modeler : American Lifelines Alliance #68257 02/07/17 03:03 PM
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Need some clarification on Caesar II Soil Modeler : American Lifelines Advanced

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11/23/02 dP = Yield Displacement Factor, Lat. 0 registered (), 5
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"F1" returns a formula dP = 0.04(H+D/2) Guests and 1 Spider
Loc: Edmonton/AB online.
Upon calculation the answer is much higher than recommended typical Key: Admin, Global Mod,
entry between 0.1 and 0.15 Mod

Also,in the user's manual the formula is shown as 0.4(H+D/2) that March
would return a even higher number. Su M Tu W Th F Sa

Has anyone encountered this and can advise the correct input? 1 2
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Re: Caesar II Soil Modeler : American Lifelines #68259 02/07/17 04:13 PM
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Yes, the ALA document says dP=0.04(H+D/2) but there's a little more

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dP=0.04(H+D/2)<0.10D to 0.15D. 70770 Posts

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And your input is a multiple of D.
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05/09/18 04:29 PM

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Loc: Houston, TX, If H=3D (not uncommon?), dP=0.04(3D+D/2)=0.14D
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somnathbasu
Thanks Dave,

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May I request you to also clarify the following:

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11/23/02 The "Virtual Anchor Length" as reported on Buried Pipe Data by Caesar :
Posts: 41 Is it the length from elbow to virtual anchor ? or the length between two
Loc: Edmonton/AB virtual anchors on same run of pipe ?
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The virtual anchor length (VAL) is not a fixed point. The VAL is the

Member distance from the point under consideration, past which the pipe

behaves as if anchored. If you consider a different point in the model,
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12/13/99 the VAL is considered from that point.

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Richard Ay

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Dave Diehl
Just to add a little more...

Member If a piece of pipe is anchored on both sides, the load on the anchors can
be calculated based on the thermal strain and response to pressure load
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(end cap pressure and Poisson shrinkage). Except for boundary
12/14/99

Posts: 2354 conditions (like an imposed deflection on one end or the other), there is
Loc: Houston, TX, no other load acting on the pipe.
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If I have a long run of buried pipe, the axial friction between pipe & soil
will resist this (constant, thermal & pressure) load. The axial friction
load will balance this constant load if there is a sufficient length of pipe
to do so, this is that VAL. If the amount of straight pipe both upstream
and downstream of a point (that's 2 times VAL) that point is "locked
in" or "fully restrained" and that point can be evaluated without any
regard for anything happening upstream or downstream. You could say
that this section of pipe can be isolated from the rest of the system.
Actually, this section need not be evaluated by CAESAR II since the
stress is identical to that pipe between two anchors a simple hand
calculation will do.

Now, what if I have a elbow or tee "near" my point of interest? The
(assumed) perpendicular pipe serves as an additional axial restraint for
the point in question. This will reduce the required (friction) length of
pipe needed to balance the selfload (caused by T&P).

But I have to consider both upstream and down stream and I think this
is where things get confusing. Instead of selecting an arbitrary point
along the buried line, focus on these thrust points (elbows, tees, thrust
blocks). Each thrust point associated with bends and tees will have a leg
that pushes the pipe off its axis, causing bending stress and that's what
we are interested in. If I can go upstream and downstream from these
points, one VAL each way, without crossing another thrust point, this
local subsystem is isolated from the rest of the system and can be
analyzed without the other pipe. But you run into another thrust point
within that VAL, you should model that section too and again search
another VAL of pipe for the next thrust point.
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ZDawg
Member I'm a little confused on this multiple of D and H concept. I'm trying to

better understand the ALA method in order to run more accurate
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Loc: Metairie, LA We commonly work with 24" pipelines, and have a buried depth of 5ft.
So proceeding with the dP formula I get dP=1.2D which is outside of the
typical range. Is this acceptable or will ALA only work within that range?

Also, when I get down to dQu, I don't understand the multiple of H and
D referred to in the User's Guide. The guide states
dQu=MIN (MULTIPLE OF H)*H, (MULTIPLE OF D)*D

I don't understand what it means when it says "The maximum multiple
of the pipe buried depth (H) must be entered here".

Dave Diehl
ALA Appendix B shows this lateral equation/inequality for dP:
dP=0.04[H+(D/2)]<0.10D to 0.15D

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The program will use 0.04[H=(D/2)] but it will not exceed xD where you
provide this x in the soil definition. (Hint: x would typically be 0.1 or
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0.15)
12/14/99

Note too, that H in ALA is to pipe center while in CAESAR II, H is to top
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Loc: Houston, TX, of pipe.
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The Help explains this.

Regarding vertical uplift here too, ALA gives:
dQu=0.01H to 0.02H for dense to loose sands <0.1D

The CAESAR II input asks you to set the multipliers for both H and D.
Let's call these multipliers x & y as in xH and yD. CAESAR II will set dQu
as the smaller of xH & yD.
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asif1301
Member Dear Dave,

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09/28/10 I am doing stress analysis of buried piping by using ALA soil model.
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Loc: India My H & D values are as follows.

H=1900
D=273

dP=0.04[H+(D/2)] = .3D

my dp values are exceeding from the the typical values .1D to .15D

Can I use .3 in the soil definition.

Thanks,
Asif

Worleyparsons
KSA

Dave Diehl
CAESAR II soil input holds a limit for dP based on a multiple of the pipe
diameter typically 01. to 0.15 according to ALA. Te program will
Member calculate dP using the equation you show but limit it o your D multiplier

here.
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12/14/99 If you want to get all the way to 0.3D, then enter 0.3 as your D

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asif1301
Member Thanks Dave

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Posts: 11
Loc: India
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