PROCEEDINGS OF 5” of AUGUST, 1974 The proceedings of the special committee comprising of the entire House of National Assembly was held on Monday, 5 August 1974 in the Assembly Chamber, State Bank Building, Islamabad at 10:00 a.m. Speaker Sahibzada Farooq Ali Khan was in the Chair. After recitation from the Holy Quran’, the Qadiyani delegation was called. The proceedings started with the cross-examination on Mirza Nasir. Mirza Nasir: Ipledge on oath, whatever I say will be true to the best of my belief. Attorney General: Please state the details of your family background Mirza Nasir: I request you to give me some time for it. | will submit a written statement tomorrow. Attorney General: OK, but are you the grandson of Mirza Qadiyani? Mirza Nasir: Yes, | am the son of the son Attorney General: Introduce yourself. Mirza Nasir: | have heard that | was born on 16” of November 1909 Mian Gul Aurangzeb: We cannot hear you Chairman: Please set the mike and volume.Mirza Nasir: Attorney General: My date of birth is 16th November 1909. | think there is a difference of a few days in the matriculation record. | did my matriculation in 1931, B.A (graduation) in 1934. Then | went abroad and did my PhD in 1938. | remained as the Principal of “Ta'leem-ul-Islam College” Qadiyan and Rabwah from 1944 to 1965. In November 1965, the Ahmadia group elected me their Imam through elections. Now you are the successor of Mirza Qadiyani? Mirza Nasir: Attorney General: Mirza Nasir: Attorney General: Mirza Nasir: Attorney General: ‘That's right. And the Amir ul Momineen also? Yes, yes! That also stands for me. Rather Imam, Khalifa tul Muslimeen, Khalifa tul Masih, Amir ul Momineen all these are your titles? Different people come and call me so. In fact | am Khalifah-tul-Maseeh-ul-Salis, i.e. the third Khalifah of the promised Messiah. Can different people hold these three titles separately? Mirza Nasir: No, only a single person holds these three offices. Attorney General: What do you mean by the Ahmadia group?Mirza Nasir: The people of Ahmadia group who have made the oath of allegiance on the third Khalifah. There may be some Ahmadis, who do not make the oath, so we do not recognize them, nor are they included in Ahmadia Group. Attorney General: By pointing out to those who do not make the oath, you mean the Lahori group? Mirza Nasir: Yes, but they are not our members. Attorney General: It means they are not the members of Ahmadia group? Mirza Nasir. That's right, the Ahmadia group, which is also sometimes, called Mubaye’een. Attorney General: What is total number of the members of that body which elects the /mam or the Khalifa? Mirza Nasi’ 1do not ow the exact figure. Tete ae different groupe: the ofie bears ofthe group, amongst them those who have devoted their ives forthe Abmai group, dtc office bearers thon olfic bares who joined the Amaia group Saurng Mirza’ tine and are sil alive, they meals permanent members. There an atl inte newspaper Al Fava. Till ead ite you Attorney General: Thanks, but whether only these members out of the whole group can vote in elections? Mirza Nasir: No, there are more than hundred of our jama’ats (groups) in Lyalpur (now Faisalabad); there is an Amir of them, who is of course, the district representative Attorney General: _But the people of the time of Mirza? Mirza Nasir: Those who made Bai’at (oath) in the lifetime of the founder of this group, because of the sacrifice they made and because they are the