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CULTURAL

BLOGGERS
INTERVIEWED
CULTURAL
BLOGGERS
INTERVIEWED

European cultural
blogging map

As part of LabforCulture’s ongoing


series exploring cultural blogs across
Europe, we launched an interactive
map of the European cultural blogging
scene. It includes the blogs from this
series and other interesting cultural
blogs selected by our editorial team
and online community. Find out more at This map is only a visual approximation
www.labforculture.org/culturalbloggers of the online European cultural blogging
map as of July 2010.
ISBN 978-1-906496-50-0 CONTENTS
Interviews Annette Wolfsberger
Idea Angela Plohman
Editors Nicola Mullenger
and Annette Wolfsberger
Contributors Mercedes Bunz; Régine 07 Introduction
Debatty; Anne Helmond; Michelle Kasprzak; Mercedes Bunz (DE/UK)
Alessandro Ludovico; Marco Mancuso; Epicentres: Why cultural
Robert Misik; Marta Peirano; Alek Tarkowski blogging shines a light on
and José Luis de Vicente digital capitalism today
Production Nicola Mullenger
Language Editor Vicky Anning 11 Cultural Bloggers Interviewed
Design Femke Herregraven Claire Welsby (UK)
Publisher LabforCulture, Amsterdam 2010 who authors InterventTech.net
POD book service OpenMute
21 Michelle Kasprzak (CA/NL)
The ideas and opinions expressed in this who authors Curating.info
publication are those of the authors and
do not necessarily represent the views of 29 Alek Tarkowski (PL)
LabforCulture and the European Cultural who authors kultura20.blog.
Foundation. polityka.pl

This publication is produced under 37 Marco Mancuso (IT)


a Creative Commons Licence 3 who directs digicult.it
(Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative
Works 3.0 Unported). You may copy, 45 Anne Helmond (NL)
distribute and show in public the texts and who authors annehelmond.nl
translations for non-commercial purposes.
Read the complete license: 53 Robert Misik (AT)
http://creativecommons.org/licences/ who authors misik.at
by-nc-nd/3.0
61 Marta Peirano and José
Luis de Vicente (ES)
who co-founded Elastico.net

LabforCulture is a partnership initiative 69 Alessandro Ludovico (IT)


of the European Cultural Foundation, who publishes neural.it
and thanks the Prins BerhardCultuurfonds,
BankGiro Loterij and De Lotto for their 81 Régine Debatty (BE/IT)
long-standing support. LabforCulture who authors we-make-money-
would like to thank its funders in 2009: not-art.com
Compagnia di San Paolo, Italy; Ministry
of Culture, Spain; Fondazione Cariplo, 89 Conclusion
Italy; Stiftelsen Framtidens Kultur, Sweden; Annette Wolfsberger (AT/NL),
Stiftelsen Riksbankens Jubileumsfond, With comments by Nicola
Sweden; Ministry of Education, Culture Mullenger (UK/NL):
and Science, The Netherlands; and Ministry Blogs as cultural seismographs
of Culture and National Heritage, Poland.

www.labforculture.org/culturalbloggers
EPICENTRES:
WHY CULTURAL
BLOGGING SHINES
A LIGHT ON DIGITAL
CAPITALISM TODAY
Mercedes Bunz

Have you ever been accompanied by was turned upside down, the meaning
a blog? One that you looked up again of do-it-yourself was re-defined from
and again? One that directed your a resistant gesture to official advice.
attention to events, ideas, pictures, Today, you have to invent your
thoughts, questions or videos you job instead of applying for one. You
otherwise would have missed? have to touchscreen through 15
In today’s life, blogs walk with you different options to buy a train ticket.
a certain way, just like good novels. Or hope that you can hold on to
You turn to them after a night out that your relationship instead of fighting a
didn’t make you feel comfortable. society that forces you into marriage.
At home, you stop by your favourite Today, a structure that does demand
blog after an argument to finally enter something from you is a precious
a discussion with congenial minds. thing.
Blogging is sharing. Bloggers In this way, blogging – and
share their interests, perspectives especially cultural blogging – is a
and knowledge with others. But for perfect example of the problems that
them, a blog is even more than that. digital capitalism presents us with.
Besides providing a platform for self- On the one hand, we are no longer
publishing, a blog regularly reminds forced to act according to a norm.
them to focus. On the other hand, we refuse to take
When bloggers haven’t written any responsibility in exchange for
a blog post for three days, the blog pretence of freedom.
makes them feel guilty. They start to Thus, cultural blogging is situated
look around, and often interesting at the borders of the new digital
things happen only because one is capitalism. Normal blogs can be
searching for them. A blog, like a bigger or smaller. They can join
child, gets one going. One is not alone together with other blogs to become
anymore. As long as a blog is used Huffington Posts 1 later on, or disappear
seriously, it provides a chance to act at the end of the Long Tail2 with zero
in a structured way. comments. It is only the concept of the
To have a duty – albeit self-imposed cultural blog that makes us aware of
– is more important than ever in the what is going on in our society. Before,
digital capitalism of today. As the world producing culture was an exception.

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It still is. But its rules became a general production did: You will get a job,
case. if you playfully find out exactly what
Within capitalism, the field of culture is needed. Only in culture, as opposed
has always been a special case. It was to the general working situation,
distinct from the rest. Social critics like whatever you are doing, you yourself
Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer know that you are taking part in
even called it an autonomous realm. something bigger. Now, this attitude
While other people got jobs and had is translated to the working situation
to do what they were told, working in general, but there is nothing bigger.
in the field of culture always meant Precisely because of that, a cultural
a rather playful production. Within blog is always more than just a blog.
culture, you produce for the sake of it, At the moment, it is an epicentre of
regardless of success. digital capitalism, and this might be
In this collection of interviews with the reason why all of these interviews
cultural bloggers across Europe, we with cultural bloggers focus on the
can read how the lovable we-make- blogger’s revenue stream, as much
money-not-art.com blog happened as on their content. And it comes as no
to turn a personal approach into an surprise that all blogs feature a certain
internationally known platform for amount of critique. If you run a cultural
electronic art, design and sympathetic blog, you automatically comment on
obscure approaches in general. Or society. Sometimes these comments
how the lively Dutch new media shine a light on interesting issues.
research scene is being observed and Sometimes they make a living. And
reviewed by annehelmond.nl. Or how often they give other people a place
misik.at tells you everything about where they belong.
cultural theory and makes you aware So please, read on.
of quirky Austrian politics.
In Poland, you can find out how
Kultura 2.0, born as a sidekick of a ——
conference, discusses the new cultural Mercedes Bunz writes about online
practices related to new media. In journalism, social networks and digital
Italy, you can focus on hacktivism, media. She has a Doctorate in Philosophy
new media and sound art with Italian and lives in London. She enjoys living
projects like Neural and Digicult, with modern technology and moved
which combine blogging with a from Berlin in August 2009 to join The
magazine and further approaches. Guardian as a media and technology
You can use the vibrant Edinburgh reporter. She is currently writing a book
art scene as a background to focus about how algorithms affect knowledge and
on contemporary art from a curating society. She also has her own blog,3 which
perspective, as in curating.info. Or comments on society and its intersection
track down the UK’s creative with technology.
technology arts movement, as long
as no other project steals you away. 1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
In an autonomous field, you were 2
http://www.longtail.com
always your own boss and what 3
http://www.mercedes-bunz.de
you did was your decision. Now,
these rules apply to work in general:
everyone is a boss, as companies
or the state don’t want to take
responsibility for you anymore. Now,
work behaves like once only cultural

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Claire
Welsby

About Claire Welsby Could you tell me a bit about


Claire is a professional Media Producer the start of InterventTech.net?
based in the UK. Her background is in Was there a specific moment or
contemporary art history and she has an experience that motivated you
MA in Cultural Policy from Goldsmiths to begin?
University. Claire’s specific area of interest I started www.interventtech.net
is art, creative production and technology. about two years ago. I was winding
Her day job is as Media Producer at the up at loads of exhibitions/arts events
Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew 4 where she’s and not feeling much connection
developing online resources. to the world that I experienced on
InterventTech.net was created in a day-to-day basis. The art I love
2007 as a platform for the UK’s art references the world it is a part of,
and technology movement. It provides and provides alternative perspectives
a platform for showcasing and discussing on what it means to be human – in
work that explores contemporary life in wonderful, weird and intelligent ways.
all its technological glory – the good, On a practical level, InterventTech
the bad and the ugly. was also a fall-out project, following
a year at Goldsmiths. I became
The following interview between Claire interested in the ecology of the
Welsby and Annette Wolfsberger was contemporary art scene in the UK,
held on 16 January 2009 via Skype chat. and in particular how it shaped
creative activity that involved
technological forms, processes and
ideas. Looking back, I think this area
of creative action interested me so
much because I was coming round
to a new understanding of the world.
An understanding that acknowledges
how technological development and
disruption has been, and continues
to be, significant in shaping the world.
It became clear to me pretty
quickly that the UK was lacking an

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accessible and lateral platform for contributors may very well come from there are rather subtle marketing what was the website (which received
art-tech. A place that embraced higher education and R&D (research techniques that you employ? anything between 300 to 600 unique
the range of artists exploring these and development) worlds (see also Did you post on lists? views a week) and consolidated it
territories in terms of form, creative the Get Involved page).6 Yeah – on a basic level I post with the blog on Wordpress at www.
process and subject. The kind of articles on a blog, so anyone that interventtech.net. As a result of
work being produced across media- That would really turn InterventTech subscribes to InterventTech via RSS the time it took to bring everything
based practice like visual and media into a platform rather than a is alerted to it. People also find the together, unique visits did drop off
art, performance practice, sound personal blog. How much interest website via related queries on search a little as very little new content was
and sonic art, animation, gaming, has there been in the past? Did engines because the subject matter added in this period. I think people
computer, net and AI5 art, for people put themselves forward is quite unique. There’s not a mass thought I’d given up!
example. It also became clear that or is it more of an active search? of competition for this kind of content Thankfully, unique visit numbers
the discursive networks attached to It’s actually been up and down online yet :-) Other things that I do are increasing again! In January
the UK’s art-tech scene were driven for a couple of reasons. Interest in to promote the site include posting 2009, for instance, InterventTech
by academic networks and hidden the project and unique views go UP a heads up on up to five relevant received around 1,000 unique visits.
from public view. So unless you were when Abs and I post regularly. They’re community listings like JISC, Node.L This is because Abs and I are posting
explicitly involved in this community, also UP when we post reviews on and Arts Council when I update regularly again. It’s much easier to
it was difficult to experience and stuff we’ve seen and opinion pieces the site. I intend to do this more this keep content fresh now it’s all in
get inspired by work of this kind, about topical issues. For example, the year, as it’s a great way to improve one place! It also makes the website
let alone to find out what was going ICA (Institute of Contemporary Arts) InterventTech’s visibility among stronger in terms of search engine
on and where, or to meet like-minded posts that I wrote at the tail end of last interested audiences. I publicise indexing and Google reputation.
people. I’d say this is probably still year prompted some really positive virally too. This mainly involves leaving In terms of InterventTech’s role
the case – but I hope that it’s less feedback from well-known/influential InterventTech MOO cards 7 wherever in the UK ‘scene’, I think it’s actually
so because of InterventTech. UK media artists (and I use that in I go and encouraging readers to quite unusual. One reason is that the
the broadest sense). For example, recommend the site to people they breadth of art and creative practice the
Your blog is quite open. At the Marc Garrett, Roy Ascott, Ghislaine know. site covers is so broad and embracing
moment it seems to be mainly you Boddington, Fiddian Warman ... all got (conventional visual art practices to
and Abs from Animate Projects in touch off the back of those posts: computer, net and game art). Another
blogging. Have there been more I think blogging is that neither myself nor Abs feels
people involved on a regular basis? • O
 riginal post – http://interventtech. part of any established art-tech scene
No, not really – that’s the project net/2008/10/19/ekow-eschun- is important or network in the UK. This is partly
for this year. The aim is to get more
people across the UK contributing
closes-live-and-media-arts-at-the-
ica if you’ve got because we are ourselves outsiders
from the perspective of established
to the InterventTech platform. I’m
particularly keen to engage writers
• C
 omment piece – http://
interventtech.net/2008/11/03/ica-
something to communities, but also because the
media art scene in the UK is so
and reviewers based in other regions gives-media-art-the-chop-under- say that isn’t fragmented.
(places like Bristol, Liverpool, ekow-eschun An interesting area of growth in
Nottingham, Birmingham, London, being said. terms of InterventTech’s audience is
Lancaster, Brighton, Glasgow and Establishing an active user new and emerging artists and creative
Newcastle, for example). I’m also community is probably also a long- professionals working across digital
keen to engage new voices and term process? Regarding audience activity – I production, interactive design, and
specialists. Informed people with fresh Yeah, absolutely. It takes time and guess that really depends on issues. social media, for example. These
perspectives on this area of creative you need to be consistent. It’s about Do you have an idea how many scenes (especially the latter) have
practice. That includes artists and becoming a credible and familiar voice people follow it via stats, and where picked up a real momentum in the
other people working creatively to that people trust. Unique content and they come from? I guess they’re UK in the past few years. And I think
produce stuff, but perhaps who are interesting voices are definitely king probably predominantly UK based? InterventTech provides a point of
not tied to an academic institution. in the blogosphere. InterventTech’s core audience is interest and inspiration for many
I’m also keen to engage experts in UK based. A proportion of visitors people working across these fields.
different areas. Individuals with a Taking that ICA post and the are located in continental Europe In that sense, InterventTech acts
specific knowledge, like the history increased feedback of readers as and the States. In terms of statistics, as a connector that sits between
of technology(ies), globalisation, an example. How do and did people InterventTech is in an interesting place artists from all sorts of fields, creative
net and game art, for example. These find out about your blog? I guess at the moment. I recently closed down producers, developers, designers,

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academics and other interested
audiences in the UK and the wider
and knowledgeable voices. At
InterventTech we deal with this clash
I like to cover established and popular art spaces
is also an issue. As is the opportunity
world. by separating out what’s on from all the things to make impactful public art projects
personal reviews by individuals. I think happen.
Why are you using Wordpress rather this helps to present a good editorial I see: good- In order for an artist to grow,
than something like Blogger?
I’m using Wordpress because it’s
balance – bearing in mind you can
always be better and do more of this
bad-ugly. get noticed and make a living from
what they do, for example, they need
easy to use and the functionality it kind of stuff... opportunities to platform and
offers is better than Blogger (e.g. tag One question that I find really show their work. This means that,
clouds, categories and in-site search). This seems to be happening not only interesting, given your plans for at certain and regular points in
It also has a really active developer in the UK. On many of the lists, apart expansion: What is your take on an artist’s career, they need to be
community that produces useful plug- from announce-lists, you find mainly why mailing lists feel so closed – legitimised by the establishment in
ins to keep functionality up to date. regular voices. How far do you and how would you prevent your different ways. This happens by being
WordPress also offers stats. Blogger consider these to be walled gardens? blog from becoming as closed? included in a programme at a well-
doesn’t offer this, in the free package Something that really interests me I think the reason mailing lists are known public art venue, being talked
anyway. about the dialogue and discursive closed is because they’re mailing about by critics and getting on the
Having been in touch with quite activity happening on mailing lists lists :-). The interesting question is radar of commercial agents, who then
a range of people with a cultural is that it is often very blog-like in why the communities that drive these help to promote and sell your work to
background in Europe, I have found nature. People start a conversation by networks choose to keep it that way. collectors, curators and programme
it quite interesting to find out that they posting about something they’ve seen, One reason for this may be legacy producers across the world. In the UK
are very selective in which blogs they an area of work or an issue they’re – “this is how we’ve always done it”. at least, I know it’s quite hard for many
read – if they follow any at all. It seems interested in, and then others bring Another might be related to what artists working in the art-tech area to
that they rely on mailing lists more their knowledge to the table, take people are comfortable and familiar get their foot in the door in this way.
than blogs. The main argument given part in that conversation and move it with. The relationship between the Established art venues and exhibition
so far was that they regard blogs as along. The only difference is that the way a community is designed and spaces (public and commercial) are
too personally focused, therefore the conversations aren’t archived, they’re how it is used is an important one. rarely designed to show off work of
content is sometimes too arbitrary. not searchable and they’re hidden When a network of people get used this kind. This goes for the design of
I absolutely understand where from the wider world. This is the bit to a particular kind of space (i.e. a the physical space, the equipment
they’re coming from – but I also think that I don’t get. hidden network supporting close-knit and facilities available, and the interest
that people’s understanding of blogs is You’re also right in respect to the peer dialogue driven by email alerts), of curators and programmers.
limited at times. Make,8 Boing Boing,9 issue of voices. The conversation that it’s difficult to change the format The other side of this coin relates
We Make Money Not Art,10 Eyebeam 11 takes place via announce-lists is often because the individuals involved to public art projects. Because
and Rhizome12 are all professional and led and shaped by the same group are comfortable with the discursive technology is wholly embedded in the
popular blogs and offer a wealth of of individuals. That’s not to say that architecture and rules of engagement. world we live and move around in, it’s
quality content for people interested these voices aren’t valuable, because More open and transparent systems important that audience engagement
in this area. Posts in these spaces are they are. But I think it’s probably quite (like blogs) can sometimes feel scary with art that deals with this terrain
not always written from a personal difficult for new voices to get involved to those who aren’t familiar with occurs in context, in real world and
perspective either. and to get heard. The language and them. The values that underpin blogs networked spaces. Some examples
In terms of why people might discourse of these hidden networks include openness, transparency and of interesting work produced for
feel this way, I guess I have a couple is also quite inaccessible in terms of accessibility. public spaces include:
of theories. The first is that there is broader public engagement. This may
often a lot of repetition across sites be a non-issue for the purpose and I guess it is also an issue of language/ • Graffiti Research Lab 13
covering this area of creative practice. needs of these kinds of communities, terminology and the choice of • Telectroscope 14
There are a lot of regurgitated press but unfortunately broader efforts to subjects? • Under Scan15
release posts because they are quick engage public audiences with this kind Yes. Accessible language and • Emotion/bio Mapping16
and easy to write. Alongside this of work and strike a dialogue around vocabulary is important when • Britglyph17
there is a bias in focus towards work issues are also minimal. This engaging wider audiences, as is an • Nuage Vert18
and artists emerging from the US is a missed opportunity, I think. understanding of the kind of ‘hooks’,
and Asia. And at times there doesn’t issues and topics that interest people. Another aspect I am interested in
seem to be enough unique editorial In the UK, I’d say opportunities to is the one of economics: When you
produced by credible, interesting get art-tech work platformed in started in 2007 there was no funding

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involved. Has that changed? Or is the articulation less so, then I always and interviews with interesting people, This involves looking back to the
there any other source of income ask why. I think we do need to be fair making stuff happen. invention of the wheel, the industrial
(apart from your ‘regular’ job) that to artists working across this area, as revolution, warfare and arms races,
helps you finance what you do? many are self-taught and rarely have I find it really amazing that inventions like electricity and the
The current situation is that there the opportunity to collaborate with something like that does not exist computer and interactions with day-
is still no funding – but saying that, and/or learn from people with the right within the UK... I know! Crazy. to-day hardware like mobile phones,
I haven’t tried. I am aiming to take a skills at the right time. It is also difficult traffic lights and telecom poles. In
few days off the day job this spring to get funding for work of this kind in …but a great opportunity as well! other words, the old, the new, the now
to produce and submit a grant the UK because it doesn’t always fit Great opportunity! The challenge and the next – not just the networked.
application to the Arts Council neatly into the criteria of the public is finding the right people to ask for On your point about expanding
England. InterventTech certainly isn’t funding system. As a result, the work the cash (nicely of course) and the right InterventTech to a wider territory…
going to become any more full-time that does end up getting made is often people to contribute to the platform. gosh! I’d love to think something like
for me, but I would like to be in a produced on breadcrumb budgets. that could be possible. It would be
position to pay expert contributors Regarding your focus, I guess great to see InterventTechs popping
to post articles and reviews about Concerning the economic model you’re concentrating on the UK up around the world, providing a
their area of interest. I would also like of your blog, you’ll be aiming for because there is a lack of centralised platform for local art-tech activity and
to devise a programme to encourage some public funding. What is your information. Would you otherwise be then linking up as an international
new and interesting voices to share attitude towards private sector interested in expanding to a wider force.
their work, passions and interests support, i.e. would you allow banner territory?
via the InterventTech platform. ads etc. on your site to generate That’s a good question. My feeling Generally, how would you
income? is that I concentrate on the UK for a describe the role of blogging in the
That would also increase At some point in the not too number of reasons. Because artists cultural sector (or new media arts
sustainability quite a bit, and distant future, I’d really like to work working in this area in the UK struggle sector)...? That’s to say, what’s the
would add an inclusion aspect of on a business plan that considers to get a platform elsewhere. Although reason for doing it (for you) – is it
supporting emerging voices/writers? a range of options when it comes networked technologies are in concept complementary, alternative voices/
Yeah. It would also help to keep to revenue, such as: commercial global (so they enable us to connect values, alternative ways of reporting/
topics and discussion fresh. Plus advertising; public funding for projects across geographical boundaries), writing?
challenge the core establishment a that otherwise wouldn’t happen; nuances of technology integration, I think blogging is important if
bit if you like. Mix things up a little :-) commissions for events and public uptake and use are shaped and guided you’ve got something new to say
spaces and crowd sourcing, for by the local, (e.g. history, invention, that isn’t being said. Otherwise your
Are there other blogs or platforms example – micro donations that add up laws, people, environment and place). voice can get lost. I think that well-
in the UK that you are aware of that to fund a particular project. This is not This gets interesting when you start designed blogs offer a great way
have managed to get funding in the as easy as it sounds though, not least to think about what technological to establish a collective voice for
UK? Or would you be the first one? because it’s untried and untested. It experience in the UK looks like, and an otherwise fragmented scene (e.g.
Ummmm ... Run Riot,19 which is what’s would also require a lot of chats with why. The UK is where I’m based so the whole ICA blog on InterventTech
on service driven by performance clever people and thinking time. it’s where the work I can access and gave me confidence in that). I also
and music. And Article19,20 a platform experience (other than net art) is think they offer a platform for new
for dance artists. Though I’m not sure Currently you seem to do more located. If InterventTech goes down and ‘other’ voices to get heard, grow
either of these are funded per se... reporting/commenting than this route, it makes it easier to apply in confidence and gain an audience.
interviews? Plus you have an agenda. for public funding in the future. Saying that, being creative and
Regarding the content of How do you source that (do people making stuff is also really important.
InterventTech, how do you decide actively ask you to announce events)? Blogs can reflect what’s going on out
what to cover or not? Is it mainly InterventTech currently offers I’m also there and help that work reach more
based on what you find interesting
(or ‘good, bad and ugly’). How far
reviews of work that Abs and I have
seen and comment pieces on issues
fascinated by people. But artists and creative action
have to be at the core.
do you base it on what you think related to the sector. This is combined the impact of
your audience is interested in? with information about what’s on in Are there any (culture related) blogs
I like to cover anything I see (good- the UK and listings of opportunities technological you would recommend?
bad-ugly) and I always try to be fair
about my experience of it. If the idea
for artists. As well as getting more
authors on board, the plan for the
disruption There are a small number of blogs
attached to media arts (Eyebeam;21
behind a piece of work is good but future is to do more comment pieces over time. WMMNA;22 Rhizome23)... but as I

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said earlier, they often talk about ——
the same work, artists and projects, 4
http://www.kew.org
and have a tendency to be focused 5
Artificial Intelligence
on the US and Asia. 6
http://interventtech.net/get-involved
Some blogs I would recommend 7
http://www.moo.com
include Boing Boing,24 Make, 25 Ars 8
http://makezine.com
Technica 26 and Wired. 27 I would add 9
http://boingboing.net
Digg28 and Current 29 – these last two 10
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com
are more recommendation sites. 11
http://eyebeam.org
12
http://www.rhizome.org
If you could change something 13
http://graffitiresearchlab.com
that you've come across in the 14
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/telectroscope/
development of your blog that did home.php
not work, what would it be? 15
http://www.threecitiescreate.org.
In the case of InterventTech, setting uk/_EMDA_Cultural_Quarters/
up a website and blog in parallel was a Future_Plans/Under_Scan_in_Trafalgar_
mistake. This has been addressed now. Square,_London
I always feel that I do some stuff pretty 16
http://biomapping.net
badly, but the main guilt trip is wanting 17
http://www.britglyph.com
to do more than I can realistically 18
http://www.pixelache.ac/nuage-blog
achieve. 19
http://www.run-riot.com
20
http://www.article19.co.uk
I guess not being paid for your time 21
http://eyebeam.org
and resources must make it more 22
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com
difficult? So that blogging in a way 23
http://www.rhizome.org
remains a kind of hobby? 24
http://boingboing.net
Yeah. I mean in terms of the true 25
http://makezine.com
definition of the word, InterventTech 26
http://arstechnica.com
is exactly that – a hobby. It’s an unpaid 27
http://www.wired.com
activity that Abs and I contribute to in 28
http://digg.com
our spare time. Something I find funny 29
http://current.com
about me is that I’m reasonably happy
to make my contributions for free,
but not at all comfortable with asking
others to do the same. Regarding
paying people, this is basically
attached to my principle that, if you
want good people to bring something
to the table and get involved, you
should absolutely pay for that. So
over all I think it’s a good principle
to have in the long run.

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Michelle
Kasprzak

About Michelle Kasprzak I would be interested in your


Michelle Kasprzak30 is a curator and background and when you started
writer based in Amsterdam. At the time of blogging. Was there a specific
the interview she was a Visual Arts Officer incident or reason that led you
for the Scottish Arts Council, the lead body to begin your blog?
for the funding, development and advocacy I was trained as an artist, and
of the arts in Scotland. Michelle has received gradually started to move more and
several scholarships, awards and grants for more towards writing and curating
her work, and has exhibited and lectured to fulfill my creative aims, rather
across North America and Europe. Her than making my own art work. After
curatorial projects include a combination finishing my Master’s in Visual and
of gallery exhibitions, video programmes Media Art in Montreal, I really began
and online exhibitions. to focus my efforts more resolutely
Since 2006, Michelle Kasprzak has on curating and writing.
been publishing her views on contemporary
art curating on her blog, Curating.info.31 And then you moved from curating
to the funding side, at the Scottish
The following interview between Michelle Arts Council?
Kasprzak and Annette Wolfsberger was I moved to the Scottish Arts
held on 8 February 2009 via Skype chat. Council just under a year ago. As
always, I maintain many side projects.

Is Scotland a good place for


simultaneous project work?
Yes, Scotland’s a great place to
multi-task! There are many sources
of inspiration, not the least of which is
the enormously active art scene.
I mainly started the Curating.info blog
because I was doing a lot of research
anyway, for myself, and saving these
bits of research as bookmarks on
my computer or making short notes.

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I thought there was no reason not to in a different way would make it stand From what I’ve seen, it’s rather I have conducted a few very small,
share that, open it up. I also thought out from the rest of the content. international and not too UK very un-scientific experiments. I ran
by giving my research some public focused – that probably also reflects Google AdWords for a short time,
exposure it would enforce a bit Have you experienced an increase in your scope of work? and was part of a more focused ad
more diligence on my part about readership/community since you’ve I try to keep it international, network for a short time as well.
researching regularly! introduced the resources? And although I’m increasingly aware of the Neither approach generated any
how much do you know about your limits of this as I post only in English. money for the blog. I still occasionally
That’s an interesting point... Is your audience or community – not only As a simple consequence of where I contemplate what might be the ideal
blog a platform to combine your size-wise, but their background? live, and where I have lived, I also can’t arrangement. Perhaps that would be
different jobs or strictly an extension And how much does it influence the help but be more plugged into what’s one or two aesthetically pleasing ads
of your curatorial interests? format and content of your blog? happening in the UK and Canada. on my blog that generate enough
The blog really operates outside It’s interesting... I don’t know very money to make the whole idea of
of my jobs. The work I do from 9-5, much, generally speaking, about my How do you think people (your having ads at all worthwhile, and that
Monday to Friday is completely audience, because web stats don’t future audience) find out about advertise companies or institutions
separate, but when one is lucky tell me much about them except your blog? I guess there are rather that I believe in!
enough to work in the cultural realm, where they are from. So from the subtle ‘marketing’ techniques that
this daily exposure to the arts cannot statistics, I can definitely say I have you employ? What tools do you use I also wondered if you knew of any
help but inspire. a global readership. But in terms – such as lists etc.? blogs in the UK (and beyond) that
of demographics, that gets harder. I probably owe a lot to Google! have received public funding...)
Do you or have you ever considered The strict focus of the blog has meant Not that I think that that should be
collaborating with co-writers (i.e. Would you describe them as rather that it ranks pretty highly in Google the only viable way of income. Or is
using the blog as a platform)? active? results for searches about curating. the quality and joy of it also that it’s
I think it’s still too personal a project They are usually quite publicly Also I started a Facebook fan page, NOT a paid-for project?
to do that, but I would consider it for passive, the blog rarely attracts which I think has really helped bring in I can’t think of any blogs that get
the future. I collaborate a lot already. comments. However, they do write in new readers. On Facebook, Curating. public funding, though of course I
It’s nice to have one or two things from time to time, which is quite nice! info has over 1,000 fans now! So I can think of some organisations that
that are just my own! It’s really lovely to get an email from think that has encouraged traffic to the have blogs, which might use some of
someone telling me how much they blog. I also experimented very recently their public funding to fuel that type
Which year did you start your blog, appreciate the resource, or asking for with a Facebook ad, just to see what of activity. I believe it’s important for
and have there been certain phases advice, or letting me know that they it was like. I was able to get $100 free organisations to think about different
when you look back? Have there appreciate my blog and thanks, but advertising on Facebook. I have to say ways to engage with their audiences,
been any changes in your blog hey, a link is broken! not many people have clicked on the and blogs might be one good way
environment that have influenced link yet, but I will wait and see how it for them to do that.
the nature of your blogging? How would you describe your focus? performs.
I started it in mid-2006, so I Contemporary visual/media arts?
had been in Scotland for nearly a
year – and there have definitely been
And how do you decide what to
cover (or not)?
How would you describe the status
that blogging has in your daily life? On the one hand, it
phases in its development. At first My focus is definitely on You finance yourself by your regular would be fabulous
it was literally a place for me to dump
research links and thoughts. After
contemporary visual art. I wanted
to expand beyond my own personal
job(s) and blogging is a ‘spare
time activity’ (though spare time is if I could live
a time, I started to see it more as expertise in media arts, to cover the probably not a very suitable term)? comfortably off the
a community resource and give it
more structure, and include things
widest possible range of topics in the
contemporary art world. I choose not
Yes, for now blogging is definitely
my evening and weekend activity. I blog, and I think
like more job opportunities, because to cover many aspects that have to do have not fully explored ways I could there are other
I knew that these would definitely be
of general interest.
with curators, for example, their roles
in natural history museums and the
‘live’ off the blog – I am not sure it’s
even possible. bloggers who do,
I also wanted to highlight different like. Though curators have an even but I would want to
How would you describe the
re-think the whole
kinds of content, so that is why I used wider role in society, I prefer to keep
the Diffusion32 e-book format to the focus on the contemporary art economic model behind it? For
publish the interviews with curators.
I thought presenting the interviews
world. example, your blog is currently
ad-free, isn’t it? thing to do so.

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I’d have to consider what would attract Régine are very different, and I’m Another point that came up in a lost their jobs over what they blog
solid, consistent advertisers, or a different again, and yet perhaps we previous interview was that existing about. Our lives are still organised
steady stream of donations. I feel I’m all merrily co-exist in someone’s RSS mailing lists were perceived as very hierarchically and yet blogging
part-way through an experiment I’ve reader! difficult to engage with (rather allows us to jump over these
started and so it remains ideal to keep closed) – and blogging was a nicer hierarchies, which can make people
it as a side project, and save major Geert Lovink in his book Zero (maybe safer) way of building up nervous. I’m lucky to have great
re-thinking for later. I can tinker with Comments36 (2007) states that your own environment for opinion? employers and friends!
Google AdWords and if it makes blogging is practically non-existent Yes, I agree. Where mailing lists can
me a few quid, great, but if not, I also in the visual arts and new media arts get taken over by a few inconsiderate A bit ‘Wild West’ at times? It seems
don’t depend on it. sector, as opposed to, for example, voices, or seem really ‘dead’ if no one that it takes people quite a while
(popular) music. What’s your take is posting any more, you can maintain until they grasp the full extent of
Would you describe your blog as on that? a blog and have complete control – the ‘publicness’?
belonging to a certain ‘scene’ and Not knowing the popular music and also freshen it up with incomplete Yes, it’s still Wild West in a number
if so, how would you describe it? field particularly intimately, it’s hard thoughts, questions, polls, even of ways. People are still figuring out
You have quite a few links on your for me to compare the two, but I can images, whereas on discursive mailing where the ‘gold’ in it is and asking
blog leading to other blogs. Are speculate on a relative lack of visual lists a new argument, thought, or act themselves why they are settling there!
there any you would specifically arts blogs. I think it could have to do of moderation needs to happen. But I think it’s the immediacy, the you-
recommend regarding other voices with a certain timidity in open criticism, They’re different animals. push-the-button of it, and the lack of
of cultural blogging in Europe? though the few bloggers who are intermediary that makes it attractive.
That’s an interesting comment, openly critical are praised for it. And On a more general level: What It’s you, typos and all.
regarding the ‘scene’. I think that there is also the ‘what do I get out would you consider as the role of
the delivery of information from of it?’ factor, as the rewards are not blogging in the cultural sector? …which is why it must be quite
the internet via RSS feeds is so always apparent. For example, Edward I think it’s an excellent way of liberating to regard it as a non-
personalised for everyone, it’s hard Winkleman 37 is widely admired for his establishing several streams of income generating activity at times,
to know what a scene is! Your point very informative blog that is a good discourse. It’s not just about the art I guess?
about the links I have is a good one... source of news and also helps artists critic in the newspaper anymore – Yes, if I really had to try to generate
it may be the only indication of a and dealers understand each other, though of course that’s obvious. As money from my blog, it might not be
scene, to see what others link to! but perhaps no other art dealer has Clay Shirky has said: “the question as difficult as I imagine, but at the same
done it before him because they didn’t today is not ‘why publish’ but ‘why not time I am happy (for the moment) not
I understand that the notion of a understand what they’d get in return publish?’” – and people are publishing to have to find out.
‘scene’ is a difficult one. Was one for that time investment. What he gets, more than ever before.
of the main reasons for you to start of course, is street cred and respect... So going back to the beginnings
your blog also because there was not money, but of course you can’t buy of your blog… is there anything you
a lack – in your case a lack of pooled respect. However, that said, it’s not Blogging becomes would do differently if you could?
online knowledge and resources
regarding curating?
as cynical as that – I don’t know him,
but I’d be willing to bet he also simply part of personal I think the only thing I might have
done differently would be to find a
The thing about the web is that enjoys it! branding, way to encourage more dialogue and
there is always a ‘lack’ if you are willing
to get drawn into ultra-specific niches. Have you had any job opportunities, establishing comments between readers. I didn’t
try to cultivate that, and my blog layout
Blogging styles are also so radically offers or similar as a result of your an audience, doesn’t encourage it, either. However,
different. I think I provide a certain
perspective, and also differentiate
blogging?
No job offers have come my way, establishing that said, people seem to get value
out of what I do anyway. It is fulfilling
between news and announcements, but interview opportunities like this something that will a mission and perhaps heavy user
be an interface to
while also presenting my personal are nice! Recently I went to an artist/ interaction is not necessary at this
views, opinions, etc. So for example, curator mixer event in London, and stage.
some European bloggers, like Francis met a woman who got a job because a public without
McKee,33 a Glasgow-based curator, she saw it first on my blog... which Are there any other culture blogs
create blogs that are relatively made me feel really proud and happy an intermediary that you would recommend that I
unannotated lists of links. Others, like for her! should not miss on my viral journey?
Régine Debatty,34 a Berlin-based35 – which is what makes it slightly Check out the Relevant Links section
writer are more editorial. Francis and dangerous, and is why people have on Curating.info for a few key ones!

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http://michelle.kasprzak.ca
31
http://curating.info
32
http://diffusion.org.uk
33
http://www.francismckee.com
34
http://www.wemakemoneynotart.com
35
Since this interview, Régine Debatty
has relocated to Italy.
36
http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/
weblog/2008/01/31/zero-comments
37
http://edwardwinkleman.blogspot.com

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Alek
Tarkowski

About Alek Tarkowski Could you describe your


Alek Tarkowski holds an MA and PhD in background? When did you start
sociology from the University of Warsaw. blogging and why? Did you start by
He currently leads the Creative Commons yourself or as a collective (you seem
Poland project 38 at the Interdisciplinary to have several authors on the blog)?
Centre for Mathematical and Computational My background is in sociology.
Modelling (ICM) at the University of I did both an MA and a PhD in it.
Warsaw. He is a member of the Board And since about the final year of my
of Strategic Advisers to the Prime Minister MA studies, I’ve been interested in
of Poland. From 2006 to 2008, he wrote the sociology of new media and new
a daily column on new culture for the media in general. Also, for the last
Polish public radio station, Bis. His interests four or five years, I’ve been actively
include cultural and social aspects of digital involved in setting up and running
technologies and the intellectual property Creative Commons in Poland, which
system. gives me another point of view
Kultura 2.039 is a Polish blog about new of basically the same issues – the
cultural practices related to new media. It is interface between culture, society,
edited by Alek Tarkowski and Mirek Filiciak. new media and the intellectual
property system.
The following interview between Alek Initially, I had a different, private
Tarkowski and Annette Wolfsberger was blog, which I started in 2003. It was
held on 13 April 2009 via Skype chat. called terminal internetyki – which
you could translate as ‘the terminal
of internetics’, the last word being
a word game of sorts. We had plans
to collaborate more closely on the
subject of ‘sociology of the internet’
with a group of other PhD students.
We planned to have a group blog,
but in the end only I had the energy
to write it. So I wrote it, irregularly,
until the end of 2005, with varying
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personal thing. I don’t feel it was first of all about related issues, using on the other hand, culture is an I think that our posts usually have one
read too much or had any greater the blog as a venue for promoting important field for Creative Commons. of the two formats: either they are a
significance. certain issues that are not well And it is also something that interests short summary and a discussion of
Regarding the current blog, at developed in the Polish public debate. me. For instance, in 2005-2006 I a link that we found interesting and
the end of 2006 I was invited to Also, it was personal from the had a short daily radio slot for three worth sharing (but we seem to always
co-organise a conference on culture start, in the sense that the voice was minutes called ‘the other side of try to write something more than just
and new media, which we called personal. We were not writing as culture’, which was basically about a summary), or it’s more of a short
‘Culture 2.0’, in relation to the term employees of PWA, or Polityka, for the same things as the blog. essay, putting together several sources
‘Web 2.0’. It was organised by the that matter. The common thing was Because of these interconnections into a narrative. We usually write about
Polish Audiovisual Publisher (PWA),40 the name and the subject matter. and my personal interest, I’ve been current links/events/news and very
a state-funded institution responsible The blog fits into a ‘network’ writing the blog, and we’ve also been rarely create long, subject-based posts
for producing audiovisual content, of organisations and events, running the Culture 2.0 project as that serve as ‘compendia’ on some
mainly of the high art sort. Through centred around us – its organisers. this on-and-off initiative. We partially subjects. I would say that the blog is
the conference and a subsequent Furthermore – this is important, I think organised one more conference more like a public notebook. We’ve
report, PWA was interested in – Polityka has never in any way tried with PWA, did a summer workshop had several interviews, but not more
exploring new issues in the field, such to influence our blog, which is very with a different institution, and then than probably five, and similarly only
as the influence of new media, digital comfortable for us. in the academic year 2007-2008, several book reviews.
archiving, digital popular culture, we did a series of monthly meetings We also publish announcements
copyright-related issues, etc. Have you considered getting more on the subject, again with PWA. So for different events, in particular
people/writers on board or are you writing the blog helps me feel that I’m ones that we are involved in. When
So that was a starting point for happy with the way it is now? And is dealing with these cultural issues that the series of monthly Culture 2.0
the blog I guess? your blog still part of Polityka or has I’m interested in. I also consider it a meetings was running, we published
The conference team was led by that changed? way of indirectly promoting Creative announcements and afterwards
Edwin Bendyk, who is a journalist with The blog is still based at the Commons (and related subjects) to descriptions of meetings, as
a major Polish weekly called Polityka,41 weekly’s site, and current blog posts a broader audience. documented by the colourful icons on
which at that time was starting a batch are visible on the main site of the the right-hand side of the blog. And as
of blogs on its website. So Edwin weekly – unless they get bumped by How would you describe the focus you can see, we don’t write too often,
created the Kultura 2.0 blog as a more current posts by someone else. of your blog? How do you decide not more than ten, maybe at most 15
blog about ‘new digital culture’, at Regarding more people – we haven’t what to cover and what not? And, for entries by one of us, sometimes less,
the weekly’s site. really considered it. More precisely, we those who don’t read Polish, what do in a month. The blog is clearly a side
have talked with good friends several most of your posts contain (reviews, effort for both of us…
So it started within a kind of times who we thought might be a good announcements, interviews…)?
‘institutional’ website! addition. But our experience is that, in The blog is called ‘Culture 2.0. I guess that most of your audience
We started writing in September the end, most people are not able to Future’s Digital Dimension’. The or community comes via Polityka?
2006 – the conference took place do it. They seem to lack commitment subject range was initially determined Are there any other tools you use
in December 2006. We’ve been or ideas. We’ve had a ‘guest post’ by a) the conference and report to attract and alert your potential
writing since then, but Edwin already maybe five times and that’s it! scope and b) our interests. The four new audience to your blog?
had his own blog on the site. At some main areas defined for the conference Regarding readers – when we
point he stopped writing at Kultura How do you manage your time were: Future, Convergence, Heritage, look at statistics, about 10% of people
2.0 and another person also dropped between the blog and your actual Creativity and Participation. But I think return to the blog. We assume that this
out, leaving me and my friend Mirek job? that we haven’t stuck closely to these smaller group is our core group, who
Filiciak, a media and film scholar, as These are basically separate. I subjects and have been writing about are interested in the subject; taking
authors. work at the Interdisciplinary Centre the things that interest us. Mirek is into account the small size of the
for Mathematical and Computational the one interested in games, movies community interested in these issues,
Would you still consider Kultura 2.0 Modelling (sounds scary, I know), and film industry, media education; I we might know each other personally,
to be more of a platform than where I run the Creative Commons write more often about copyright, free or at least know them from their online
a personal blog? Poland project. I am also involved culture, and so on. And some issues writing. The larger group are the
Well, the blog wasn’t really an in other activities related to Open interest us both: participatory culture, ‘random readers’, coming from links at
institutional site for the conference or Access, and what we call Open new models of cultural production and Polityka’s main page, or from searches.
PWA. Or course we wrote about the Science in general. So my work does distribution, transformation of media Personally, I have a bit of a problem
conference, but the idea was to write not involve this cultural aspect – but industries, or research on new media. when I write – whether I can write for

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the core, as ‘expertly’ as I want issues. Or if they are interested (for in the music business. Though again,
– or whether I should explain things instance academic anthropologists), I know a couple of music critics who
again and again for the random group. they do not blog. In general, do write blogs, so I guess I’m unable
We mention our blog at meetings or researchers in Poland do not blog. to give you a good response on this
presentations we give, but otherwise one. In general, good blogging, by
do not promote it. I do not know of With what you mention above, semi-professional or professional
a mailing list devoted to new media engaging different groups of writers, on cultural issues, is rare in
and culture, comparable to say readers – have you had comments Poland – but you can always find at
Nettime.42 about the accessibility of your posts? least several good titles, which I guess
Or are you trying to find a balance might be enough.
based on feeling? I keep track of the blogs that I
I think there is a No, we do not have any such feel are related to my interests and
comments. And commenting is in I rarely read something original worth
strong community, general rather weak on our blog. I’d writing about. People mainly seem to
also an online say at most once a month a post stirs
up a decent discussion. And 80%,
do what I do, link to or comment on
texts/events from abroad. And if there
one, interested in maybe even 90% of commenters is discussion, it is almost always in the
repeat themselves and these are comments, and not between blogs. In
new media from people we somehow know, online this way Polish blogging seems limited
the artistic point or offline. – it rarely produces original ideas that
resonate broadly.
of view. It is tied So it sounds like there is still a lot
to art galleries, to develop and your blog definitely
responded to a lack of critical Blogging
museums, writing in that field?
seems more
As for responding to a lack, yes,
publications, etc. – I’d say the blog is an easy and flexible like ephemeral
but we are not part way to write about things that don’t get
written about by ‘major media’ – so for note taking,
of this community. me it is a way of introducing issues into
commenting on
the debate on culture in Poland.
current events.
This already links to my next Geert Lovink in his book Zero
question – I was wondering if your Comments43 (2007) states
blog belonged to a certain ‘scene’! that blogging is relatively
Well, I think that it belongs to a underrepresented in the new
certain scene by virtue that the authors media arts sector (or visual arts),
belong to a certain scene: of people as opposed to, for example,
interested in the transformation of (popular) music. What’s your take
cultural production, distribution, on that?
consumption and participation I don’t have a good scientific
because of new media (or related overview of blogging in Poland,
issues, like copyright for instance). but my intuition would be that there
But this is a small scene, and people might actually be more art blogs
come from different backgrounds. – not necessarily new media art
Some are interested more in blogs, but ‘new art’ blogs – or what
technology, some more in law... you might call visual arts, than music
it’s a small scene, and lacks visible blogs. It’s difficult to compare, but the
personalities, in the sense that difference is that professionals from
someone really famous in Polish the art scene do write – it seems to
cultural circles is interested in these me – more often than professionals

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http://creativecommons.pl
39
http://kultura20.blog.polityka.pl
40
http://pwa.gov.pl
41
http://www.polityka.pl
42
http://www.nettime.org
43
http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/
weblog/2008/01/31/zero-comments

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Marco
Mancuso

About Marco Mancuso How would you describe Digicult?


Marco Mancuso is an Italian-based critic, Digicult is a critical and journalistic
art curator and journalist who specialises in multiple online project, focused on
digital art and culture. Founder and director the promotion and dissemination of
of Digicult,44 Marco works specifically on digital art and culture, on the impact
contemporary audiovisual art and design, of new technology and science on art,
with a focus on electronic music and visual design and contemporary society.
art, software culture, generative art and It is based on the active participation
design, open source technologies, as well of 40 professional contributors, who
as interactive and ambient space represent the first Italian-wide network
installations. He curates exhibitions and of journalists, curators, artists and
events, and teaches at NABA (Nuova critics in the field of new media art
Accademia di Belle Arti) and IED (Istituto and culture. This network was created
Europeo di Design) in Milan. originally by me as founder, promoter
Digicult is a cultural project and platform and director of the project, but it has
focusing on promoting and disseminating been growing in the past four years.
digital art and culture, on the impact of new Digicult today is a web portal updated
technology and science on art, design and daily with news, calls for artists, events
contemporary society digital culture and and project highlights, links, Web 2.0
electronic arts. tools, RSS feeds and more.

The following interview between Annette What do you cover within Digicult?
Wolfsberger and Marco Mancuso took And how do decide what to cover or
place via email in March 2009. not?
Digicult is also the editor of the
monthly magazine DigiMag,45 which
discusses net art, hacktivism, video art,
electronica, audio video, interaction
design, artificial intelligence, new
media, software art, performing art
with a critical and journalistic approach.
Digicult produces an electronic music
and audiovisual podcast, DigiPod,46

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and also has its own newsletter and journalists; and on the other hand, and knowledge of internet dynamics to the magazine, by email or by using
international service called DigiNews. to include an international attitude and and communities. On the one hand, social networking tools.
Digicult is also involved with the work with other realities worldwide, I think that people found and find
art agency DigiMade47 in activities to create a monthly magazine for out about Digicult through word-of- How difficult is it to build up a kind
like media partnerships and special an international audience, following mouth: someone who tells a friend or of blogging community in your view?
journalistic/critical reports of important events, making interviews, creating colleague about us, or links on other I think it’s very, very difficult today
festivals, special projects and curatorial networks and spreading culture. sites, or references. Or they might to establish an active community,
events in Italy and worldwide. We also be surfing on the internet, searching especially for cultural projects like
work as curator/promoter of some How much do you know about your for something like Digicult and a Digicult, which are not perceived
Italian artists presenting their work at community? And how far does that magazine like DigiMag. as ‘pure’ blogs: and I do agree that
festivals, events, platforms and cultural knowledge influence what you’re On the other hand, when I started Digicult is not properly a pure blog,
centres in Europe and worldwide, publishing? Digicult, I also worked on some but something far more complex and
within digital art and new media Honestly, although I follow the ‘marketing’ strategies. First of all, I articulated.
culture. Digicult demographic data and visits started to work with some mailing lists
with a counter, I’m not addicted to like Rhizome,48 Spectre 49, Syndicate,50 How have you dealt with languages?
This sounds like DIGI-EMPIRE! statistics. So, I’m not an expert on Nettime,51 NetBehaviours, 52 Aha,53 Digicult is both in Italian and
And it sounds like you are covering the Digicult community in terms of age, etc… which represent the worldwide English. Digicult was created as a
a lot. What are your specific areas country of origin, and so on: community of people interested and platform to spread information and
of interest? this always seemed to me like a sort focused on digital art and culture. news through the web portal and the
Generally Digicult is interested in of marketing tool that does not fit with Secondly, I worked hard with my newsletter service DigiNews and to
all art forms that involve the use and my attitude towards networking and programmer on ranking and Googling report critically about new media art
misuse of digital technologies, the the internet. At the same time, of Digicult and DigiMag pages. issues through the online magazine
mix between analogue and electronic I get strong daily feedback from the And thirdly, in the last year, I pushed DigiMag. For this reason, and also
instruments, the impact of scientific Digicult community, so I can tell you strongly towards implementing Web because it is an Italian project, I always
phenomena and studies on visual and that Digicult is mainly for people 2.0 tools like RSS feeds, tags, social considered it to be important to first
sonic aesthetics. As a critic and curator, addicted to or interested in digital art networks (Facebook,54 Vimeo,55 write in our native language. This is the
I’m very focused on contemporary and culture: students, artists, critics, Flickr56) and microblogging. reason why the homepage is in Italian.
audiovisual art and design: in other promoters. Many of them are new to At the same time, I always thought that
words, on those crossing borders the world of digital art. They are curious Are your readers, or is your it was important to translate everything
between art and design forms and want to know as much as possible, community, actively contributing into English, as the international
concerning the immersive and and they also want to learn about the to your blog? language understood by a wider
sensorial relationship between vision possible business opportunities within Over the years, I have realised that audience. But I have to point out that
and sound, moving from experimental the field. Many others are like us, they Digicult and DigiMag are perceived it was and is very, very difficult to
cinema to video, from live media to know this world very well, and look for more as informative and critical find good translators to translate into
live cinema, from graphic animation a more critical approach to digital art platforms, tools and magazines English, especially because Digicult
to generative art, from electronic and design and culture. rather than pure blogs. I do not speak is not supported by a publisher or
music to audiovisual installations, from directly about myself. I don’t give direct cultural institution, so we do not
audiovisual interaction design to hyper You just referred to marketing tools. impressions or comments about the receive any money for our activities,
architecture. Do you have an explicit marketing content. I don’t speak about what I like for writers and translators.
strategy? Which tools do you use to or don’t like. Digicult and DigiMag are
Is your focus Italian or international? inform people about the existence not perceived as open platforms, but Do you think there are far less blogs
From the very beginning, Digicult of your blog? as cultural and journalistic tools. So about media/visual arts compared
was written in Italian and English. I I have always tried to develop a sort when people arrive on the websites to, for example, blogs for popular
collect the news for Digicult in English of marketing strategy for Digicult. Who and take the information and inputs music or film?
and directly translate it into Italian. doesn’t do it? Especially if you open they need, they might comment a bit, It’s not that there are no blogs
Also DigiMag is always translated from a generalist/information/critical blog and they are active in discussing items about new media art or visual arts.
Italian to English. My idea was twofold: or website. You want and need to in various degrees. At the same time, A blog like We Make Money Not
on the one hand, to promote Italian reach a larger amount of people. Of our community is very active in a more Art57 is a perfect example. There are
critical culture worldwide using the course, I’m not a marketing strategist, ‘private’ way: they write to me, they various specific examples of media/
Net, to shine the light on a new Italian so my only weapons were and speak with me, they suggest items or visual arts blogs that cover specific
generation of critics, artists, curators always will be our professionalism put themselves forward to contribute interests. Let’s think about all the blogs

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that have grown out of the Generator How is Digicult financed? Do What a good question! It’s not so Not only in new media art and culture,
X,58 Marius Watz’s group of blogs you receive any funding? Do you easy to answer. I opened Digicult on of course! I do not agree with people
about generative art forms, which finance it via other channels, or the web, so I became a blogger – or who consider blogging as a lower
are focused on visual and graphic is it financially self-sustainable? a web editor if you prefer – mainly form of journalism, critique and
issues, or think about some other I’ve never had – and still do not for two reasons: first of all because information, compared to big editorial,
blogs about audiovisuals, experimental have a proper ‘economic model’. of the big potential of the web to cultural and entertainment groups:
cinematic art forms, or some others I started non-commercially and I’m be democratic and perfectly suited first of all, because blogs will always
about visualisation of complex data, not commercial now. I am operating to spread culture and to reach a be an alternative form of culture and
like Visual Complexity59 by Manuel more on a cultural activist approach, wide range and number of people information, really free from economic
Lima, for example. Other examples also because of my experience and my worldwide. Secondly, because of the or political links (and you have these
are Pixelsumo,60 the blog of Chris background. Last year, I considered financial implications: the internet is kinds of links also in arts and culture).
O’Shea; workshop.evolutionzone. becoming a little bit commercial to the only democratic and economic Secondly because a larger group of
com61 by Marius Watz; and Information survive, accepting advertising, for place in which you can open a blog freelancers, independent journalists,
Aesthetics 62 by Andrew Vande Moere. example, rather than dying, because or a journalistic/critical platform and independent critics, independent
Of course, many other online at the moment the amount of work on magazine and remain independent!!! professionals will shift their activities
resources related to visual arts and Digicult is impossible and totally out I run Digicult on something like to the internet, understanding its
new media arts are not proper blogs, of proportion for only one person. 50 Euros per year and everything is potential of networking, sharing,
but are something hybrid, like a mix So, I’m a volunteer, but of course on my hard disk and on a web server. following, reporting, and being
of blogs and journalistic platforms. I’m more professional than many other The only expenses are my energy, my independent, answering only to their
And they are made by a small group people who are paid for what they do. time, my knowledge, and the expertise creativity, instinct and community.
of people, academics, researchers, I stopped thinking that professionalism of people belonging to the Digicult
art critics, speaking about ‘new’ forms is only when you’re being paid for Network, of course. How would you describe your
of art and culture for an elite; critics, the job. And what should I say about blogging environment? Is it
curators, journalists, intellectuals and the people belonging to the Digicult competitive? Lively? Are you a
art lovers, open-minded people or Network, who write for the magazine? sole voice?
tech addicts. In other words: a small Of course I cannot pay them, so they I consider Fortunately I’m not alone and I’m
community. A community, of course,
that is growing bigger and bigger,
are volunteers, but they are the best
professionals I’ve ever worked with. blogging or web not a sole voice at all. In Italy we have
a great tradition of blogging around
as you can observe every year if you
join the main festivals/happenings like
About funding: it is a sad story. As
I told you, there was not one cultural
journalism and new media art and culture: think
about seminal projects like Neural,65
Transmediale 63 or Ars Electronica.64
So we cannot consider new media art
institution or editor in Italy that seemed
to be interested in helping Digicult, in
critique the Aha,66 Random, Noema,67 Hacker
Art68 and many other platforms and
as something popular, like a ‘pop’ form giving a small amount of funding to pay present and the communities.
of art, even if it’s becoming more and the authors, or translators, or in sharing
more popular. sources or initiatives, or giving a space future of critical
Less popular at least than music…
to develop projects or relationships,
or organise events, workshops or and independent
How can we compare that to music?
Come on, music is one the most
meetings. In other words: no funding to
remain alive and work. I’m now working
information: it is
popular forms of art and expression
that we know: there are so many
on the bureaucratic side of things to
turn Digicult into a cultural association,
today, and will
different kinds of music; music is because that’s the only way to be able be in the future,
everywhere and everyone listens to apply for European Community or
to music. In other words, there are Italian state funding for culture. one of the most
thousands of people who speak about
music on their blogs, share their music, What do you consider is the role of important voices
their opinions, buy and sell music
through web platforms. And their
blogging in the cultural sector? Is it
complementary or an alternative to in the cultural
potential audience is enormous, much
bigger than the audience following
print-publishing, and a (rather) new
way of dissemination? In other words,
sector.
new media art or visual arts. why do you blog?

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http://www.digicult.it
45
http://www.digicult.it/digimag
46
http://www.digicult.it/podcast
47
http://www.digicult.it/Agency
48
http://www.rhizome.org
49
http://coredump.buug.de/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/spectre
50
http://syndicate.anart.no/subpages/
mailinglist.html
51
http://www.nettime.org
52
http://www.netbehaviour.org
53
http://www.a-ha.it
54
http://www.facebook.com
55
http://www.vimeo.com
56
http://www.flickr.com
57
http://www.wemakemoneynotart.com
58
http://www.generatorx.no
59
http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc
60
http://www.pixelsumo.com
61
http://workshop.evolutionzone.com
62
http://www.infosthetics.com
63
http://www.transmediale.de
64
http://www.aec.at/index_de.php
65
http://www.neural.it
66
http://www.a-ha.it
67
http://www.noemalab.org/index2.php
68
http://www.hackerart.org

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Anne
Helmond

About Anne Helmond How would you describe your new


Anne Helmond is a New Media Lecturer media research blog? And what
in the Media Studies Department at the prompted your interest in blogging?
University of Amsterdam, where she I use my research blog for different
studied new media from 2004-2008. purposes:
She graduated cum laude with a thesis on
‘Blogging for Engines – Blogs under the • As a research repository;
Influence of Software-Engine Relations’. • T o document timely research
From 1999-2003, Anne studied at the findings (see this post73 for
Utrecht School of Arts, where she received instance);
a Bachelor’s Degree in Interaction Design • T o document and share lectures
and a Master’s Degree in Interactive I’ve done.
Multimedia.
Her personal blog69 is about new I started my research blog as a
media research and software issues. Anne master’s student at the University
previously blogged for the Blog Herald70 of Amsterdam, through a course
and still occasionally writes for the Masters led by Geert Lovink. We had to
of Media (MoM) blog71 and the Next Web blog our weekly assignments at the
blog.72 Masters of Media (MoM) blog, which
I initially started with my fellow
The following interview between Anne students. I previously didn’t have any
Helmond and Annette Wolfsberger was experience with blogging or blog
held on 20 April 2009 via Skype chat. software, but running my own blog
for a few weeks led me to take on the
technical development of the MoM
blog. It eventually turned into my
research focus.

So you developed the Masters


of Media (MoM) blog?
Yes, this is the third year of the MoM
blog and I was initially technically
responsible for setting it up. I also

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acted as a coordinator. When I It contains lengthy blog posts, with
•  popular tech blogs and design blogs. which I don’t like. I do want Google
graduated, I handed over the design reflections by students on what the (Most research blogs I follow through to index all my blog posts because
and coordination to the next masters newspapers write about new media. my RSS reader are American. It is I sit down to write them, think them
(Erik Borra), but we stayed in close because my research field is mainly over etc.
contact about the development. This I read on your blog that you also located there.) Note from the Editors – this update
third year I am not involved anymore. participated earlier this year in an came in from Anne: After this
The blog is now living its own life event regarding blog art.75 Is that also because the American interview, I switched to an open
and is being maintained by the New Yes, it was a gathering of Flat blogging scene is more vibrant/more account with mixed feelings. The
Media Masters at the University Station, a group of artists in the Bijlmer relevant to your interests than the problem with a locked account is that
of Amsterdam. (South East Amsterdam).76 It was not European one (if you can talk about you cannot join a conversation with
so much about blog art as it was about a European scene at all)? someone who is not following you.
Could you tell a bit more about the the changing role of blogs. What I am Yes. But the interesting thing is that Your reply to their message will not
development of MoM? I think it is most interested in are experiments I am hardly connected to the Dutch appear in their timeline.
a very interesting model and I’ve not with the form/technique of the blog: blogging scene through reading/
heard about anything else similar? writing/commenting on their blogs.
You mean as a group research JODI77 experiments with the
•  However, I do follow/converse with I chose to let
blog? software and makes visible what
is usually hidden from the user;
most of them on Twitter. I think a lot
of the commenting/conversation has
Google index my
Yes, and if I understand well, the We Feel Fine 78 by Jonathan
•  moved away from blogging to other tweets in return
development/coordination of Harris is about data-mining the related platforms such as Twitter and
MoM is also part of the students’ blogosphere and using this data FriendFeed. for a more open
curriculum? to say something about our culture.
Yes, it’s part of the MA curriculum. The current project I Want You to That would have been my next conversation.
Now that the platform has been
established its main focus is the
Want Me79 by Jonathan Harris and
Sep Kamvar explores the world of
question…
Twitter is not the end of blogs,
Of course, since
content. Esther Weltevrede and I online dating; on the contrary, they supplement Twitter changed
also led a third year BA course called • One art experiment I recently came them. I try to incorporate all the other
‘Digital Practices’, which led to the across I particularly like is the Social platforms I use into my blog such as the reply settings
development of the Metareporter
blog,74 a group blog by BA students.
Media Publicity Plant,80 which
thrives on online attention.
Flickr, Twitter, Vimeo and Slideshare. yesterday, I am
The Metareporter serves several It seems that the Netherlands once again in doubt.
purposes: Following on from the blog art has one of the most active Twitter
question, within your research, have scenes. Is that true?
It is an archive of what (old) media
•  you come across blogs you would I don’t have any activity numbers,
are writing about ‘new’ media. define as culture blogs? but the Dutch Twitter scene seems Since when has that indexing
We archived all the major Dutch I don’t know what I would define as really active indeed. I am connected been happening?
newspapers, including regional culture blogs. I tend not to categorise to different new media scenes through It’s always been done, since
newspapers, magazines and a few blogs by genre. What is your definition Twitter: research, entrepreneurs, Twitter has been sending out RSS
news websites. All database entries of a culture blog? photographers, developers, etc. feeds. Google indexes pretty much
were labelled with the source, place The Dutch Twitter scene seems everything that has an RSS feed,
where the article appeared in the Well, a rather simple one for this to be actively using Twitter as a especially if it’s a large service such
paper and tagged with content tags. purpose: blogs with contemporary new communication platform, as Twitter. Facebook is a closed
It is an analytical tool to do research
•  and popular culture as a main focus. supplementing, or replacing, instant environment, a walled garden so all
on this valuable archive. For In this case, I am looking into wider messaging and email. your updates there are only visible for
example, you can click on a tag Europe, and into individual rather your friends. However, Google sees
and see which newspaper wrote than institutional blogs. If you do not How do you manage to integrate and indexes every tweet and I clearly
about this topic. It allows you to classify blogs by genre, how do you Twitter into your blog? use Twitter differently from my blog:
notice trends in topics for different classify blogs at all? Or don’t you? I used to display my five latest Twitter is more spontaneous, outgoing,
newspapers and which topics are If yes, which parameters do you use? tweets in my blog. However, I now personal and informal than my blog.
popular at different times and in I must admit that I mostly read have a locked Twitter account because By having my tweets indexed, it adds
different sections of the newspaper. American blogs/research blogs and Google indexes every single tweet, a lot of noise to my Google results.

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A leaky garden? I do not speakers such as Andrew Keen, During step three you are blogging
Yes, Twitter is very leaky. met interesting people such as the whole time, so you are not able to
understand Matt Mullenweg from Automattic/ actually hear all the keynote speeches.
If you were thinking about cultural
organisations and the cultural scene, why blogging Wordpress 83 – but I am exhausted
after three days.
So step four would be to blog two out
of four keynotes and enjoy the rest of
would you see a bigger role for blogs
and bloggers than they occupy right
is not seen as So did they pay you?
them! It is not my dream to become
a paid professional blogger. However,
now? a regular job in No – I received a conference I would love to see part-time blogging
Definitely. For example, Dutch ticket, I was introduced to a lot as a job.
newspaper nrc.next 81 just changed the Netherlands. of interesting people, had some
their website to a blog. Instead of just
duplicating the news from their paper,
Blogging is a skill, interesting conversations and drank
great Chardonnay with new contacts.
Or build up a team to blog for you,
or together?
they add extra (web) information on just like being a It was well worth it and I wouldn’t have Yes, I teamed up with someone
their blog. It is a big change! Museums missed it. at the Next Web, but either you are
are actively starting to Twitter as well. photographer or BUT, no, I don’t think I would be taking notes or you are writing a blog
One even made a ‘how to’ manual
for its employees. an accountant. able to live off it, at least now. But
there is hope.84
post from your notes. With the Masters
of Media blog, we went to a lot of
Here are some examples: conferences organised by the Institute
•  Culture blogging in Holland: Well that is great but… will it take of Network Cultures with a whole
http://teletekstisdood.blogspot.com I agree, and I think it requires a few more years in Europe? team of about five bloggers, so we
•  New and interesting is also: different journalistic skills than for Yes. I previously blogged for www. could all blog some sessions and listen
http://non-fiction.nl/ print-publishing, especially given theblogherald.com for money. I was to others.
•  And http://n8.nl/ – it is there, a the immediacy and the ability to link paid a small amount per post, but it’s
cult scene, but mostly group blogs. and network your content. Of the hard to make a part-time/full-time I think it could be very interesting if
bloggers I interviewed, only a few living off it. Especially live blogging an organisation like LabforCulture
And for your own blog, does of them were actually paid, but they is not something you can do full-time would set up a blogging team to
audience reach matter for you? regarded it as a (necessary) addition since it is too energy consuming cover European cultural events –
Or is the repository/documentation to their practice, a tool to create and you are not able to see/hear some kind of affiliation for bloggers
function the most important platforms, etc. everything while you are blogging with an organisation, and a common
element for you? I also understood I don’t want to monetise my own at a conference. umbrella body to report, reflect and
that you are not interested in blog, because it is a research blog disseminate.
commercialising your blog and I am happy to pay 100 Euros Of course, it is great to build your I know for a fact that a lot of
(or are you)? per year for hosting etc. because profile as a blogger! Masters of Media would have loved to
Yes. I think it’s hard to maintain an it is a representation of who I am and Yes, I use it as a way to build my go to the Next Web, but they couldn’t
individual blog because of the need what I do. But if someone else asks profile. Right now, I seem to have afford a ticket. Not even with a student
to update, especially if you cover me to blog for their organisation, an established profile because discount. Of course the Next Web has
a niche scene such as research or it is a different question, especially organisations are approaching me. enough publicity, but other events have
culture. It may be hard to blog once if the organisation in question has a So it’s time to take the next step. not. Conferences should acknowledge
a day as well as working. Someone budget. What I regularly do is blog for the publicity bloggers can create for
who has successfully turned his blog conferences in return for a conference So what are the next steps? them. Bloggers are just like press. At
into a day job and a commercial ticket. One was actually co-financed Steps to professionalising blogging least I see them as having the same
success is www.nalden.net. by a newspaper. But live blogging within culture: status!
People still consider blogging to be conferences is hard work because
a non-paid job or also as a prestigious of the immediacy. • Getting started with blogging; There is also a need to support future
CV building job. I was recently asked • Building a profile; bloggers and journalists, and a big
by a big cultural conference organiser But could you make a living from Live blog conferences in exchange
•  need for critical writing in that field!
to blog for them for free. it, do you think (e.g. if you devoted for a ticket; I see the potential for a new
more time to it)? Live blog conferences for
•  platform with new media students
I recently blogged for the Next compensation. from the University of Amsterdam and
Web82 for three days – I had a other universities/art schools. There
wonderful time, saw interesting are plenty of students with different

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motivations for wanting to blog ——
a conference: 69
http://www.annehelmond.nl
70
http://www.blogherald.com
• It is their research subject; 71
http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl
• General interest; 72
http://thenextweb.com
• No money to actually go there. 73
http://www.annehelmond.
nl/2008/09/08/google-expands-its-
MoM has different types of content: indexing-focus-to-actions-within-social-
essays, videos, short ramblings, media networks
critiques, conference coverage etc. 74
http://www.metareporter.nl
I think blogging skills are important, 75
http://www.annehelmond.
because the web is a platform nl/2009/01/12/slidespace-on-blogs-
people should learn to write for! blog-art-and-the-network
The Metareporter blog85 was a 76
See www.slideshare.net/annehelmond/
first encounter with blogs for most blogs-blog-art-and-the-network-
students. They really had to find their presentation
blogging ‘voice’. 77
http://blogspot.jodi.org
78
http://www.wefeelfine.org
Are there any other blogs or other 79
http://iwantyoutowantme.org
online resources relating to culture 80
http://www.sndrv.nl/publicityplant
that you would recommend? 81
http://www.nrcnext.nl
• http://cultuur.twittergids.nl/ and 82
http://thenextweb.com
http://twittergids.nl/; 83
http://automattic.com
• Cut-up86 of course is a famous 84
See http://online.wsj.com/article/
Dutch (though published in English) SB124026415808636575.html
blog/magazine with cultural 85
http://metareporter.nl
critique – but it’s so hard to find 86
http://www.cut-up.com
contributors; 87
http://trendbeheer.com
• Another big Dutch art/culture blog
is TrendBeheer. 87

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Robert
Misik

About Robert Misik When did you start blogging and


Robert Misik was born in Austria and what prompted you to do it?
mostly lives in Vienna and the Waldviertel. When I started I honestly did not
He also enjoys being in Berlin. He writes regard myself as a blogger. I just asked
books, critiques, articles and essays, as a friend to put this site together for
well as his own weblog at www.misik.at. me on www.misik.at. I put more or less
He became the first Austrian journalist to everything on it that I had written –
publish a weekly video blog ‘FS-Misik’, articles, commentary, columns for print
which appears on the website of the Austrian press. It was more of a collection of
newspaper, Der Standard.88 (Der Standard my texts that usually appear scattered
is an independent, left-liberal Austrian elsewhere. That started approximately
newspaper.) In 2008, Misik received three years ago. Then I started video-
the Austrian Federal Prize for Cultural blogging on Der Standard’s website
Journalism (Österreichischer Staatspreis just about one and a half years ago.
für Kulturpublizistik).
Misik.at is Robert Misik’s blog for Is the archiving or repository
commentary and analysis on political function still the main function of
and societal issues. your blog, or has it also developed
into a complementary forum for you
The following interview between Annette – besides your journalistic activities
Wolfsberger and Robert Misik took place via with Profil, Der Standard and others?
Facebook chat in German on 1 June 2009. It is still the main function of my blog.
It rarely happens that I write something
just for the blog. On the other hand, it
has a complementary function because
I know that now a lot of people just find
my writing directly via the blog.

This makes my next question


superfluous, which was how your
offline activities relate to your online
ones? If I am not wrong, you were
Der Standard’s first video blogger?

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Was that idea initiated by you or to be honest, I’m not business-minded How much do you know about your A different question: Does a
by Der Standard? enough for that, and I also do not want readers/viewers? Are they mainly definition like ‘cultural blog’
Yes, I was Der Standard’s first video to waste my time with it. On top of Austrian? Do you follow your stats, and mean anything to you, or do you
blogger – I think I was even the first that, I don’t think I would earn enough are you influenced by the responses of find blog definitions like these
Austrian one. Der Standard contacted money with it. I earn my money via your readership? How important is an rather superfluous? (Within the
me to contribute to their website. I said ‘traditional’ media, and online via the active community for you? LabforCulture research we have
that I would only do it if I could do it via video-blog. Response of viewers: well, there is defined cultural blog(ger)s as ones
video. Video blogging currently is the a response opportunity in the form of that have popular and contemporary
most advanced and most interesting I do find that interesting because, postings at Der Standard. Of course, arts and culture as their main focus.
medium. with blogs, there are so many you find a lot of lunatics in these And mainly looked into individual,
different financial models that are forums, so it’s not very representative. non-institutional blogs.)
The content of your video-blog is being applied and tested. If you But I do read all of the postings. The I don’t find the term redundant.
mostly critical weekly commentaries consider video blogging as the most responses that I receive via Facebook Of course there are cultural blogs,
on Austrian political life – is the advanced medium at the moment, are more interesting. Yes, for sure just as there are, for example,
choice of subjects entirely up to you? what will be your next online step? I’m influenced by them one way or business blogs (which are, by the way,
Yes, that’s entirely my decision. Do you have plans for developing another, and apart from that, I involve extremely good!). But I am definitely
They only know what I have done once your blog or are you satisfied with them once in a while. It does happen not a cultural blogger. My thematic
I’ve uploaded the content. A lot of it is its status quo? that I post a call to support my focus is too broad for that. I do
recorded from home or on the road, Well… generally I’m satisfied with investigations, and I usually receive write cultural and culture-theoretical
and so we don’t communicate too the status quo. It’s being received very many links and suggestions. contributions, but I write more political
much about it. well and many people enjoy reading And as far as statistics are concerned, and many economic ones. So I
it. One could professionalise it, but I know rather exactly how many only partially belong to that cultural
Is it correct that you finance your then I’d need staff to do that. And thus people watch the video-blog... blogging category.
blog and blogging through your there would be far more organisational
offline journalistic activities? This and logistical demands. Currently ... I’m asking because many bloggers Which is also why I was interested
interests me since in a few other I’m doing everything myself, writing, I’ve spoken to don’t seem to be in talking to you – to include
European countries (e.g. Poland recording (myself) and editing. I think interested in statistics at all. perspectives outside the cultural
or the Netherlands) newspapers I will continue this way until people Interestingly enough, I don’t follow spectrum. I also interviewed a
have either swapped their online get bored of it. them for the written contributions, research blogger previously, and
editions to blogs (www.nrcnext.nl) Concerning development, I’m just for the video-blog. although there is some overlap,
or pay for (cultural) bloggers (http:// thinking about other things, for it is different.
kultura20.blog.polityka.pl/). example longer documentaries, but Would you consider blogging as Yes, I also experience that. The
Yes, I do. Although you cannot these would not replace the weekly a recognised part of (Austrian) departmental categories that are
really talk about financing – the site columns, just add to them on an journalism? How far does blogging narrowly defined in normal journalistic
hardly costs anything. But then it also irregular basis. Or another new project play a role? Is blogging, for example, practice are not relevant within
does not generate any income. At might be a video column for a German already part of the higher education blogging.
least not directly. Indirectly it does newspaper, so that I reach beyond system?
via publicity, book sales, (online) Austria. But these are only initial ideas. This is changing rapidly. I would In your opinion, is there a blogging
presence, availability and accessibility. I also do not want this to take too say that blogging is also recognised scene in Austria, and specifically
For the video-blog at Der Standard, much of my time. One day to one within Austrian journalism. Concerning a cultural one?
I receive a normal honorarium, like and a half days per week is enough. reputation, for example, it is not Yes, there is a blogging scene.
a writer-columnist. I want to reserve my remaining time considered inferior to normal columns. A cultural blogging scene? Not sure
for written essays and similar things. I don’t know if blogging is part of the if that exists. The non-institutional
I do understand that the blog in itself education system – I don’t think so. bloggers mainly run political opinion
does not cost too much – but the Do video columns already exist Although… this is wrong! It seems blogs. Martin Blumenau is an
time you invest in maintaining it within German newspapers? to be part of it, since I’ve been outstanding cultural blogger, but his
and contributing to it does in a way. Yes, they do exist in Germany, interviewed by several students in the blog is an institutional one on the fm4
Yes, that is unpaid. Of course I for example, Matthias Matussek at Der previous month. One student is even site.91
could consider generating income Spiegel,89 or Richter at the Frankfurter writing a seminar paper about me.
via www.misik.at, for example, with Allgemeine Zeitung.90 And I don’t So blogging seems to be on the radar Do you yourself read other blogs as
advertisements or similar things. But know how many others… within the education system. well? This might sound like a strange

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question, but I’ve spoken to several To become a recognised voice in the Yes, that is the difference between us
people who write a blog but do not print world, you have to jump endless and the Millennials95 (the generation
seem to read other people’s blogs. institutional hurdles, survive thousands following Generation X who have
Yes, I do read other blogs – of hours of editorial team meetings. grown up in a digital environment)...
Blumenau, and several business Usually this is not the case with Yes, that’s how it started with me: by
blogs: weissgarnix,92 of course, also blogging. doing. And then I checked out videos
Krugman93 on the New York Times, of others and looked into what I liked
and about a dozen others via Google- Your comment concerning video- and copied that, and added my own
reader. blogging is interesting also in the style elements.
context of Jill Walker Rettberg’s
If you look back at the development book Blogging.94 The book provides
of your blog, is there anything you a useful introduction to blogging So returning to
would do radically differently? Or to and compares the development your question
put it another way, is there anything of print media from the 15th century
you regard as a big mistake or onwards with the development of about the hints,
failure? blogging.
Nope, nothing. Of course, I’ve never read books about
this is what I
everything was very trashy at the start. blogging. Maybe I should start doing would say: In
Now I have better equipment, and that.
have got better just by the routine the end you need
of doing it. But those unrehearsed
beginnings were also very okay –
Do you have any hints for cultural
bloggers?
to have your
I really would not want to do anything I don’t think so. Everyone needs to very own style.
differently! find his or her own style, especially in
this field. Therefore, tips are difficult. Otherwise you
If you compare your print writing Personally, I’ve always done things and drown in the
to your blogging, what are the then seen where they lead me. The
biggest differences for you apart starting point often was to try blogosphere.
from the direct feedback of your and understand things technically.
readers/viewers?
Since in the strict sense of the Do you mean looking into the added
word I’m only video-blogging, the value of blogging from its technical
difference is of course huge: videos side?
are more direct, more subjective and No, I meant to learn to really
their characteristic style is completely understand things like, how do I cut
different to, for example, an essay for video? How do I upload to YouTube?
a newspaper. There are miles in
between them. And I do enjoy that.
It’s a very different style, which also
has elements of visual language. Banal questions
Apart from that, the rhythm of the texts like these
is different: the rhythm of a text needs
long waves. With video-blogs you that every
need a fast rhythm – similar to video
clips.
14-year old
could answer,
And what is the most important role
for cultural blogging in your opinion? but not me being
The most important role is probably
that voices that otherwise wouldn’t be
43 years old.
noticed enter the political discourse.

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http://derstandard.at
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http://www.spiegel.de/
kultur/0,1518,k-6995,00.html
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http://faz-community.faz.net/blogs/
berlin/default.aspx
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http://fm4.orf.at/blumenau
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http://www.weissgarnix.de
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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com
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http://jilltxt.net
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenial

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Marta Peirano
& José Luis
de Vicente
About Marta Peirano and José Luis de One of my first questions is this:
Vicente when you started with Elastico, was
Spanish cultural bloggers Marta Peirano there a specific reason or thing that
and José Luis de Vicente were instrumental initiated it? Did you start together,
in the launch of the influential collective collaboratively, or did one of you
Spanish blog Elastico96 in 2003. When the initiate it, and the other(s) followed?
blogosphere was still in its infancy in Spain, JL: Ladies first.
the writers on Elastico started blogging MP: It will be interesting to see if we
about digital rights and copyleft, digital agree on that one! There were mainly
art, video games and multimedia. All four two reasons: the first one was that
founding writers have become influential in we four – Antonio Córdoba, Nacho
the cultural scene in their own right. Their Escolar, Jose Luis (JL) and myself –
collective blog has become a repository for had known each other for quite
longer essays and reflection pieces, rather some time and wanted to do
than a daily updated resource. Elastico came something together. If I am not
together as a way to make e-culture more mistaken, we were all writing for the
accessible. Elastico covered topics such as same newspaper at the time. Antonio
open source, gaming and learnt behaviour, and JL went to university together;
peer-2-peer networks and piracy/sharing Nacho and I were basically dating.
of material online.97 We met around the digital journalism
congress, right JL? We all agreed
The following interview between Annette there was a need for a new kind
Wolfsberger and Marta Peirano (MP) of journalism regarding a number
& José Luis de Vicente (JL) was held of interesting topics.
on 11 June 2009 via Skype chat.
Thus a blog was born... When you
started, were there many blogs at
that time in Spain?
JL: Actually we met in February
2001 and we didn’t start Elastico until
October 2003. Both Nacho and
Marta already had their own blogs.
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culture from technology sections to MP: The fact that we always intended JL: Contemporary art is relevant! So it mainly is (or was) a platform for
culture ones. And change the way to do very different things was one of MP: Yap, I guess we could go on you to exchange with each other,
the traditional media was dealing with the reasons why Elastico existed in forever XDDDDD.98 a kind of semi-public conversation?
issues like P2P or video games. the first place: very different people JL: I hate the [fact that] writing in art MP: Absolutely, I think one of the
JL: Yes, that was very important for us! connected to the same topics. criticism, for instance, is absolutely self- reasons why Elastico was fun was
I think it also worked so well because referential. We didn’t want to do that! precisely because we used it as a
we were friends and interested in a So you had different viewpoints? conversation tool for the four of us.
loose set of topics related to culture JL: I think Elastico existed because You said Elastico was becoming JL: I am very interested in the idea
and tech[nology] in different ways. we were friends having interesting relevant. How could you feel that? of ‘transparent research’. It was a
conversations about similar topics; Feedback, audience, references in conversation between the four of us,
And that would have probably been things that have interested us through other media? yes, but everyone was invited.
very difficult within the newspaper… the years include digital rights, JL: Well personally, one of the most MP: That led to very funny discussions
Were you all working for the cultural copyleft, digital art, video games, rewarding experiences in the last few within our own blog – always
department of the newspaper? digital film, music videos, literature... years is coming across people who tell interesting though and totally open.
MP: It was a constant fight! And Not all of us were interested in all me that Elastico was very influential for
no, no! We were all in technology! of them, but together we covered them. People like artists, art collectives, So currently, is it still the four of
Back then, everything related to a broad spectrum. Marta and Antonio curator collectives or other bloggers. you, or have others joined in, or
‘the internet’ was tied to technology. were stronger in literature, Marta and In 2003, the Spanish blogosphere was has anyone left?
JL: Actually, that has always been a me in digital art. blooming – and we had just arrived JL: Well, it’s very dispersed right
great fight. We always had to justify MP: It was the variety of our personal two years earlier than most! Also, now. I would say there is still something
that these were cultural topics, not backgrounds and ambitions that made because we were very didactic, we of the four of us, but it is not happening
tech[nology] topics. Me and Marta it exciting and dynamic. were opening up references and ideas on Elastico. More in the conversation
were the people doing culture topics that still had not broken in the cultural between the different blogs, and
on the tech sections; Antonio also… Was there anything like it in Spain debate in Spain. other means like Twitter, Facebook…
Nacho was more into digital culture, when you started? MP: True! Also we got used to reading it depends. Nacho and me are active
apart from digital politics and rights. MP: I am pretty sure there was not! our own texts copy-pasted in national on Twitter, Marta and Antonio not
JL: There was nothing like it, both in newspapers in the cultural sections! so much. Marta is very active on her
Sounds like an interesting mix. topics and in tone! We always made That was both infuriating and flattering, blog.99
Have the four of you been working it very accessible. We wanted to of course. MP: My blog – I can say this proudly –
together since then? And has your reach everybody – not only people JL: Then in 2005 we organised an was the first of all our blogs!
focus shifted strongly since the in specific fields and that, I believe, event in Barcelona called Copyfight, JL: Also, Marta commissioned me last
beginning? made it influential. which definitely marked a transitional year to do a weekly section on her
JL: Not exactly. Our personal point, I believe, in the public discussion newspaper and for me that was really
careers have gone in different So it was also a question of making around copyright in Spain. the Elastico spirit!
directions. They always were intended digital culture (or e-culture) more
to, since we had different backgrounds. accessible... So you were just ahead of everyone Would you say that your blog was
Nacho has been a newspaper director; JL: For me, absolutely! No one both off- and online. You must have a tool, its peak is over, and you
he is now a columnist and opinion was writing in Spanish about that had quite a community by then. Was continue experimenting with
writer. Marta directed the culture combination of topics. it an active one? other tools to communicate and
section of a newspaper until recently, JL: One thing for us is that we have disseminate within and beyond your
and now is writing books. Antonio is ...and show its relevance to the never been in the same city. Marta group?
at university, finished his thesis and is broader cultural field? and Nacho [lived in the same city for] JL: It’s a community, really. I prefer
teaching, and I have worked mostly MP: I would say that, yes. But also some time, but then Marta was abroad describing it as a family – for me,
as a curator. to introduce a new approach to the for a long time, so we saw each other Marta and Nacho and Antonio are
way media dealt with these topics. very little. Now, for example, I am more family than anything else.
Wow, they all seem like very Very good examples would be: based in Barcelona and Marta in MP: It is true that we are all very,
successful careers! • Linux is for computer engineers. Madrid. This means that any sense of intensely busy, and that reflects badly
MP: Well… • V ideo games make children community for us has been mostly a on our blogs.
JL: I think only Marta and Nacho were violent. dispersed, fluid one. I think it was also JL: Yes, we don’t work that hard
the real journalists and I think Marta is • P2P is piracy. a way of brainstorming in public. anymore on the blogs because we
really a writer, only she doesn’t know ;) • Copyleft is for losers. are awfully busy and it’s a shame.

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So your blogging is not very directly JL: Blogs are now the place where But you prefer not to use it anymore, allow us to be more prolific.
linked to the jobs you’re doing now? you post long pieces that don’t Marta? And rather retreat to your JL: I don’t really know...
JL: In my case it is, it always has been. fit anywhere else. Blogs are your own blog?
In Nacho’s case also. notebooks of essays and it’s perfectly JL: She is a star on her own! Does Elastico still feel like
MP: Though I think our engineering in fine. Something, for instance, that I MP: I was very active for quite some something you want to keep alive
Spanish culture is more apparent now. don’t want to do anymore is blogging time in both and then the increasing or has it become more like an
JL: Exactly. Marta defined it perfectly – about what other people are saying amount of work made it impossible obligation?
we are blogging less, but our influence somewhere else. for me to write for both. MP: Both Nacho and JL have
in culture is way bigger. JL: But she got her book deal through entered the ‘media on the run’ format.
her blog. That is to say, posting through their
Has the Elastico clan taken over
culture in Spain?
Now I only want to MP: Also, when I joined the newspaper
it became impossible to write at all!
Blackberries, etc. I think we have to
adapt Elastico to that new reality if
MP: Nacho has launched and blog original content we want to resuscitate it properly!
directed the last national newspaper But you’re not really integrating JL: No, it does not feel like an
in Spain; JL is redefining digital culture to contribute to the the Twitter feed into Elastico, JL? obligation! It’s definitely something
in Spanish institutions and Antonio
is probably writing the next most
conversation. JL: No, because honestly I
don’t believe in reading Twitter
I want to keep alive because:

influential novel in Spanish since asynchronously! I think you have 1. It has a very good page rank,
Bolaño. to do it in real time. people looking for us get there
Rather than filter... many times.
So you could say that, with the blog, JL: Yes, there are way better filters 2. It is an archive of a time of our lives,
you achieved your aim... getting now as someone said, my favourite brings [back] many good memories.
technology out into culture! blogs now are my friend’s Delicious I think Twitter is 3. It’s a useful tool, it reaches people.
MP: XDDDD.
JL: Well, this may sound incredibly
feeds. more like a cafe MP: And what I think about the cultural
pompous and pretentious. It was not Have you seen the (cultural) conversation, blogging scene in Spain has changed
something so big, honestly, but our blogging scene in Spain change a since we started: oh yes, very much
professional careers were taking off lot since you started (e.g. blogging blogging more like indeed! I just don’t know if it is for
as we were getting to our mid thirties...
and the net is changing, it always is.
having become a recognised strand
of journalism)? a newspaper. the best XDDD.

JL: Uff, that is always tough to say: Has Elastico played a role in that
That poses an interesting question: all newspapers produce blogs; writers transformation?
what will you do with Elastico? Leave have blogs; blogs have become way MP: Well what we are not saying MP: About Elastico’s role in it,
it as it stands and archive it? more mainstream, of course, but here is that I used to take care of the I am not sure...
JL: I have a very clear idea now. I most of those do not engage in the ‘insides’ of all our blogs and haven’t JL: I am unable to answer this question.
used to be anxious about not updating conversation. been gardening that part for quite I feel myself belonging now to a more
it, not putting enough time into it. But MP: It has also become the new form a long time. It is like the bad weeds diffuse international network than to
now, I very clearly believe that the of column, have taken over our house. a Spanish scene.
architecture of the conversation online JL: in our conversation at least, JL: But we are renovating soon MP: Yes, that is true for most of us!
has changed. You can say something MP: which is interesting now that because we are moving technology...
once a month and still be heard. I have journalism is more opinionated than MP: Yap and now, facing the cleaning Did you ever think about writing
been doing it and it works! ever. of both my blog and Elastico feels like your blog in another language than
a titanic effort! Spanish?
So it’s not so much about frequency So what about you, JL. Do you also JL: At the same time I wonder if JL: Although I still follow people
anymore? have your own active blog? most people reading are not doing it in Spain, of course, like Juan Freire 101
JL: Well, people know about it MP: She got you there! through RSS, which means they only or zemos98,102 this was ALWAYS an
because of Twitter, RTing,100 Facebook, JL: Not really, when I want to say get the text and images of the entries issue of discussion.
RSS... so blogs are no longer diaries. something I use Elastico. Also I am and not the rest? MP: We would have to compete with
MP: I think what JL means is that having a lot of fun on Twitter. MP: And it would be necessary to Régine! And that is a lost cause I am
not updating so often is not an issue MP: He is a Twittermaniac, though! include new features like Twitter box afraid.
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1. We met Régine when she was Is your readership also
starting WMMNA,103 international? South American,
2. we became friends, for example?
3. she read Elastico, JL: Yes, many South American
4. we have been sort of colleagues readers!
since then.
Is that also reflected in the content?
We didn’t want to do it in English like JL: Not really...
Régine, because we believed we could
have a more positive impact on our Are there any other blogs you would
own community doing it in Spanish. recommend?
In English, we would have been MP: Hmm, good question. There
another culture blog. In Spanish it was is nothing like Reg’s! That is just true.
a revulsive, in a way and I am proud If this is to become a net, she would
of that! be Queen R!
JL: I am trying to suggest someone…
Have you collaborated? I think my favourite bloggers are not
JL: Yes, many times. She even guest in Europe now. And most of them
blogged on Elastico! are obsessive, focusing on single
obscure topics, like Dan Hill of City
Were you ever thinking of running Of Sound,104 Andrew Vande Moere
the blog as a full-time job? of Information Aesthetics,105 Geoff
MP: Si XDDD – hell, no! Manaugh of BLDG|BLOG.106 And
there is this guy I am enjoying a lot
I was asking because the Italians, like now called Chris Heathcote.107
Digicult or Neural, decided to blog/ MP: I can’t think about anyone either –
publish bilingually. well, there is the UbuWeb,108 of course.
JL: For me, it would have made
way more sense professionally doing
it in English. It would have been better ——
for my career. But then, it would have 96
http://elastico.net
been more of a job and it was never 97
http://www.elastico.net/
a job. archives/2006/02/arquitectura_es.html
MP: Well, considering our premises… 98
DD, XDDDD or XDDDDD is a smiley
it would have been unproductive to often used in Spain. It can be ‘translated’
write in English. We wanted to have as :-)
an impact! 99
http://lapetiteclaudine.com
100
RT stands for ‘retweet’ and means
Would it have been a whole other posting a message on Twitter already
thing to do it in English, and you’d posted by someone else. It is similar to
have focused on other topics too? forwarding an email.
MP: We wanted to change our 101
http://nomada.blogs.com
fields of action in ways that were more 102
http://www.zemos98.org
adequate, and those were Spanish 103
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com
media and Spanish institutions! 104
http://www.cityofsound.com
JL: Mmm, I don’t know! I would have 105
http://infosthetics.com
LOVED to do it bilingually, like Neural. 106
http://bldgblog.blogspot.com
But I would have needed two lives! 107
http://anti-mega.com/antimega
I am a slow writer... 108
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Alessandro
Ludovico

About Alessandro Ludovico What was the trigger for you to start
Alessandro Ludovico is a media critic Neural, and what format did it have
and has been editor-in-chief of Neural at the start?
magazine109 since 1993. He is the author I started with the first print
of several essays on digital culture and he magazine 16 years ago, in November
co-edited Mag.net Reader.110 Alessandro 1993, and the first online presence of
is one of the founding contributors of the Neural was in May 1997 – something
Nettime community.111 He is also one of that I cannot really call a ‘blog’. It was
the founders of the Mag.Net112 (Electronic a page with a few posts, supposed to
Cultural Publishers) organisation, teaches be updated every 15 days and that’s
at the Academy of Art in Carrara and was what I tried to do. The site was meant
recently a research fellow at Willem De to be a small issue, like a bonus to the
Kooning Academy in Rotterdam. magazine, but it ended up simply not
Neural is a magazine on new media art, working because it needed so much
hacktivism and e-music that is published work and maintenance. It included text,
three times a year in English and Italian. It is pictures, and for every issue there was
complemented by its blog,113 which features a piece of software art that could be
daily news and reviews. downloaded. For me the blog was
a reflection of the printed edition.
The following interview between Annette I was always very interested in
Wolfsberger and Alessandro Ludovico publishing, but I was also a geek. I
was held on 2 June 2009 in Rotterdam. bought my first Commodore 64 when
I was 16 and I started to work for an
underground electronic music label,
the only one in Bari where I live, with
stuff like industrial, esoteric music –
quite outspoken for a city like Bari!
At some point I proposed the idea
of printing a magazine to the friend
I was working with because we were
both interested in all the stuff that was
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was no magazine about it. Neural I was fascinated by the possibilities of Europe. So in my case it’s not about of weeks did not function. It was too
concentrates on digital culture – that’s inter-exchanging art on specific topics saving on the initial printing costs, much work and not worth it at the
what we would call it now. At that time all over the world: the ephemeral which POD is mainly about. same time. I stopped for a few weeks
we called it ‘cyberculture’, and that network. And when the digital network For me, printing a magazine in and then thought if I continued doing
included and still includes art, music arrived, I thought, ‘wow – so here it is’! 2009 is something completely it, it had to be daily – or not at all. It
and politics, all within or mediated by That moment meant that I finally different from in 1993. In the past would not have made sense otherwise,
digital forms. Actually, the first issue had the technological means to realise 16 years this brainchild of mine no one would have returned to the site.
of Neural was published six months a synthesis of all these different things! has become something I feel really In 2000 I started with the new
after the first Wired 114 issue! attached to. It’s a sort of statement daily updated website – three news
to continue to print it, while it remains posts and one music review every
Wow… a challenge to find the right form, and day. I figured out it was not only about
I was not aware that this Wired From the very a sustainable business model. publishing, but also about networking.
magazine was going to be published.
There was no internet in that sense.
beginning, When I started together with a
record label producer friend from Bari,
It was about being present and being
visible as a node, and about playing
Actually, the first thing we published the concept we tried to publish bimonthly, but after an active role in the community – and
before the magazine was a hybrid three issues we decided that that was at the same time be recognised by
product with my friend’s record label of the magazine too much for us. We found a publisher, it. I saw it as my only chance as a
called Minus Habens Records (which
still exists). I was very passionate about was to be a unfortunately a very inexperienced
one who had no idea about how to
publisher to make everyone aware
of the online edition. Every time I
virtual reality (VR) developments, so
I started to collect stuff and I even
node. launch a new product. We ended up
signing an agreement that was not
published online content, I sent the
people whose work I’d talked about,
did a couple of trips to see these VR very beneficial for us, produced six or the musician I’d reviewed, an email
machines. I never wanted to make the most issues, and then they went bankrupt and asked them if they could post a
What we came up with in 1992 was beautiful magazine about everything due to a bad distribution agreement, link back to Neural. I did that daily for
the Virtual Reality Handbook,115 with all digital in the world, but instead and we ended up not being paid for years, and it paid off! Now Neural has
the physical addresses of producers, a very good magazine that was two issues. an average 7 out of 10 page range in
magazines, artists, you name it, and complementary to other efforts We learned our lesson: if you Google ranking, and I’ve accumulated
a few conceptual texts about virtual happening elsewhere: to create really want to do something like this, almost 15,000 incoming links.
reality. It was a very thin book, about a – potentially important – node you should do it by yourself. I had to
40 pages, with a CD of music inspired in a networked environment. This stop for a few months because I had From a reader’s point of view, how
by the topic. The book was bilingual network consisted of nodes that were to do my civil service, which was still would you describe the difference
English and Italian and was sold out interconnected, shared and exchanged mandatory at that time. And then between the magazine and the
in less than a year. It was shipped from p2p reviews, content contacts and in 1997 I restarted by myself since online platform?
Japan to the US, so I thought why made a bit of business to keep alive. my initial Neural partner wanted to Of course there is a strategy. In
not push a bit harder and produce a Several of my initial contacts still exist, pursue his own music career, while the beginning print was king and
magazine? We can do it! And that’s but many changed and do different I was stubborn enough to carry on. online was an accessory. Now it’s
how it started… things now. Since 1997 I’ve seen many friends’ exactly the opposite, and I want to
magazines die, and the challenge was reward the readers of the magazine,
What is your background? Since 1993, print publishing has to constantly challenge, question and my sponsor community: all the content
Are you an artist yourself? gone through major shifts, and I change every issue, and to try and online is free of charge, while you have
It is the networked spirit of internet sometimes wonder why Neural is still survive. Maybe it was easier for me to pay for the magazine subscription.
culture that fascinated me. My a magazine, and not only digital than for others because I was dealing From the start, the printed magazine
background was in publishing and or Print on Demand? with technology, so I was aware of had some content that is not online –
music, and my arts background can Print on Demand (POD) in my some changes to come, but still it all the interviews and the articles are
be described as the mail art view should be an opportunity or an was continuously critical for Neural. only in print, while the rest (reviews,
movement. Both mail art, and art made alternative for printing rather than news) is also online.
through the postal network really an indicator for a philosophical shift. So what about the online presence
fascinated me: not that much because Printing Neural is not about printing of Neural. How did that develop This sounds like a lot of work, and
it was so radical that everyone could a few copies. Neural is a worldwide and complement the magazine? a lot of passion, but how has Neural,
be an artist, make art and make a distributed magazine, with distributors Well, at some point I realised that and how have you, managed to
show; it was fun for me but mostly in the US, Australia and in Asia and the online ‘thing’ updated every couple survive economically?

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I am doing much less myself now one is Euro-English. It is another You mentioned a sustainable Back to the online/offline
than in the beginning. I’ve learned to challenge. I now work with an English economic model – what does that relationship – how active is your
delegate as much as possible, and native speaker who has been proof- look like for Neural and yourself? community, and how much does
to focus on the things that only I can reading and editing the magazine Neural is a cultural association but it influence the on- and offline
do to be a serious player. I would and blog for a few years, but also I receives no public or private funding. Neural content and your writing?
like to delegate more, but I still need try to use Italian and Latin phrases In Italy, the funding situation is a very The blog is not a classic blog because
to do a lot of things myself due to to ease the complexity of the English difficult and complicated one. Actually I don’t allow for comments. I had to
financial restraints. Neural is not my language, to bastardise English with it’s hell, mainly for (contemporary) make choices – and I decided not
main income. I’ve always seen it as an foreign words, be it Italian, German arts, because there is so much ancient to do it. Firstly, because I’m doing
entry point for additional work, even or Spanish – so that the final result is cultural heritage in Italy that most of a printed magazine, I didn’t want to
if it might sound absurd to do so much not bare native English, strictly spoken, the money goes in that direction. pretend too much. Secondly, if I allow
work paid for by other work. I’m very but a kind of global correct English. To receive funding, you need to more comments I cannot spend enough time
passionate about the magazine, but This might also make the content more than just put in a funding application. on working on the magazine. But there
if I only did Neural I would get too accessible for non-native speakers. You need to invest a lot of time in is a community that’s dealing with
obsessed. It’s like a magic portal to lobbying with decision-makers. For me continuously. It’s not as lively as it
access other inspiring opportunities. Looking back on the many years me, to receive funding in Italy would would be if I had a comment function
Another priceless thing is the that you have worked on Neural, be like succeeding in being part of on the blog, but still there is a Neural
experience I gained in the past years is there anything you think you a system, which I have always refused community. People do get in touch,
about how to do ‘it’ and how to play would do very differently with the because I wanted to concentrate on to ask for advice and tips about what
with ‘it’. I manage the magazine three experience that you’ve got now? what I was doing. to check out where, to feedback and
times a year, and actually there is also One of the few things I’m good at is Income is generated by paid to suggest content. And of course
the printed Italian edition that also writing, and writing theory. I consider subscription and advertisements, there is a possibility for face-to-face
should be published three times a year, myself more of a theorist or a writer – both online and offline. I have some meetings, for example at festivals.
but I’m currently slowing that down publishing magazines is a very specific hardcore subscribers who are more
to concentrate on the English one. skill. But for example, I would find it or less subscribing continuously. It’s Have any of the social networks
difficult to be an artist. I’ve done a more than money, it’s also about the changed your way of publishing?
A propos languages: Both the few projects over the past years like recognition of the work you’re doing. I tried to avoid Facebook for a
magazine and its online counterpart Google Will Eat Itself116 and Amazon And since they have to renew their long time, but then surrendered in
are bilingual English/Italian. It strikes Noir117 together with Paolo Cirio subscription annually, it’s also about November 2008. I had to check it
me that also the Italian DigiCult is and Ubermorgen. I try to do them renewing their trust. The ads are a out at some point, to find out more
English/Italian, while in many other collaboratively and to maintain the role more complicated story. You have to and to understand it on a personal
countries like Spain or France, of the one who develops the theory be another person to sell them (writing level, rather than relying on second
resources like these would probably and context. I’m more into organising is completely different from selling), hand information from others.
be in their native language only. things, bringing things together. but at some point I realised I needed Although I think that for many reason
In Italy there is a problem with to take responsibility and it just needed it’s a very dangerous thing, it’s a
foreign languages and language to be done. very peculiar model of establishing
education. French used to be the Even curating is On- and offline work totally personal contacts. About a month
second language, then it changed differently, of course. I am not asking after joining I established the Neural
to English. Only in the past decade still an esoteric for subscription online, or donations, group and after six months it had
have Italians understood that English practice for me. because that would not work at nearly 1,000 members – all of whom
is the lingua franca, so it’s still very the moment. But there is a lifetime of course I know.
important to use Italian if you want I did it a few subscription: you pay 250 Euros I’m trying to get inspired by every
to be read and understood in Italy. times, but I think once, so it’s like a seven to eight year new thing I am doing. Facebook was
Of course it remains a problem subscription, but it lasts until the end inspiring and useful for a few reasons,
to express complex issues in another you need to go of your life! It’s a kind of donation, but but it did not change a lot for me. I
language and reach the same level
of sophistication, especially since IT
deep into it if a substantial one, given that the annual
subscription fee in Europe is 31 Euros,
learnt, for example, that people who’re
using Facebook reply quicker via
in itself is a very complex language. you want to do it and worldwide $55. It’s all shipped FB than via mail, and it is very useful
But there are two levels to this
problem: one is very much about
well – it’s a very priority, so subscribers in the US
receive the magazine within a week
for me to remember birthdays of
friends. But it didn’t change the way
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printed magazine or the blog. each other. Eleven magazine editors and the network was about to die. We Critics are free advisors, and very
Having had a network before, are part of the network, among them received an invitation by the Centre important for a project like Neural.
the whole online social networking five really active members – Neural, for Contemporary Arts (CCA)119 in I decide on new topics by
thing just means that there are new Mute Magazine from London, Glasgow to participate in a conference observing what’s happening, breathing
tools facilitating implementation or Springerin from Vienna, Zehar from and present a reader we were loosely what’s going on, and checking if it is
management of the same network, San Sebastian and 3/4 Revue from assembling. At that point I thought that something that can be packed into
but none of them seriously changes it. Bratislava. After the first, thanks to the this was the only opportunity to get a Neural issue. A few years ago,
I think the richness of each of us great and inspiring work of Nat Muller, it done, and that was the end of the for example, there was a big China
is our own personal network, not we’ve edited together another two whole idea of democratic decision- hype. I thought I should be doing
the platform. Magnet Readers on the offline/online making, of discussing everything something around that topic, but first
publishing relationship.118 together. In the end I’m with my friend I had to critically examine if I was
We are operating within a really Geert from Staalplaat label who once not only driven by my own curiosity
So you’ll probably simple organisational model for said: ‘production is not democratic’. and would be able to get enough
exchange, but it might be time for I think he’s right! content. It took one year, but I finally
use a platform, a change, to include more editors than I wanted to go ahead with the published a hopefully interesting issue.
switch to another currently and move towards a platform reader, so I suggested to lead on it, One of the few reasons I think that
for exchange for publishers who deal to coordinate and take decisions, Neural survived for such a long time
one in a few years with digital culture, especially in print, and asked if others wanted to join is that I really took care of the quality.
when there is a and who want to share this peculiar in. Two members actively supported Many magazines that just remained
moment of change and passage. the reader, two more agreed to the of average quality were killed by the
better one, but it This also led to the beautiful process but decided not to actively amount of information that you can
is the network that opportunity of my research fellow
work in Rotterdam, hosted by the
support because they were too
busy. It was fair and it worked – we
find online. If you maintain a very high
level of quality, that’s a different story…
counts, and how Lectorate ‘Communication in a Digital published the book just in time for
you deal with it. Age’ directed by Florian Cramer.
The incredible support I had from the
the conference, and the network
had re-established itself again. Every
Is it difficult to find contributors
for Neural? I remember that when
whole staff is leading me to finish a project is treated differently, and I talked to Claire Welsby from
I’ve experienced highs and lows in whole book about the topic that will we did something else with Mute.120 InterventTech, for example, she
publishing, and during one of these be published early next year. They also Unfortunately, the kind of established said it was difficult for her to find
lows a friend of mine told me to use organised a three-day international way of working in our digital culture contributors and writers for the
my own network to solve the problem. conference around the topics of my environment where we meet, then platform.
Very valuable advice! It is this concept research called “PRINT/PIXEL” and set up a mailing list, and when home Neural has about nine contributors
or modus operandi that has changed that was a unique and very involving (plan to) start developing things hardly at the moment. Firstly, it’s difficult to
our lives one way or the other. experience for a researcher. every works. Not even if manuals have find good writers because there are
been established, because everyone many beautiful people with very good
Going back to the concept of nodes, Is Magnet a European network, returns to their daily routine. ideas who are simply not so skilled in
and the magic portal function and do you receive any European writing. And secondly, my business
of Neural that you mentioned: funding? What does the organisational model does not allow me to pay them
many opportunities (like just It wasn’t meant to be European structure of Neural look like, and a lot, just a symbolic contribution. So
recently being research fellow at but it kind of is. There were and are how is its content decided upon? it’s also a question of being prepared
the Piet Zwart Institute in members from Portugal, the Czech I have been doing monographic for contributors to start immediately
Rotterdam) are linked to Neural. Republic, Latvia, among others, but issues for two or three years now. but stop after a short while, either
To continue on networks – Magnet also one from Mexico. Regarding It is me who decides on the content, because they get bored, or they want
(Magazine Network of Electronic European funding, we tried that at first inspired by meeting and talking to to use that experience to build up or
Cultural Publishers) is another really but we were not good at organising other people. Another important factor continue something else. This is totally
important thing for me. I co-founded the whole funding issue. Being a in continuing and shaping Neural was fine for me, but it means that I have to
the network in 2002. Our motto was network is most of all a learning to receive feedback. Compliments be prepared that contributors, and also
to collaborate rather than compete process. were really important as a moral collaborators for different tasks, won’t
with each other, and we started As a network, we learned from the support and motivation, but from the last forever!
to share knowledge, share and first Magnet reader. It came about in very start onwards I was also looking I do receive requests for writing and
exchange experiences and support a period when there was no activity, for critical feedback, and for critics. contributing to Neural, but it’s crucial

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to check if they’re the right people. A final purely hypothetical question: Do you think that Neural had an but when you mix an audience of
Also, I am rather looking for writers 1993 and 2009… if you were influence on the lack of (print) young people and people in their
than for academics, because their starting the same enterprise today, journalism concerning digital arts 40s and 50s, you get an interesting
focus is not as open as I would need would you still be doing a printed and media culture? Do you think mix. The end of the 20th century has
it to be to cover a broad range of magazine? Neural had an impact on informing started a kind of passage and media
topics. However, they might be Probably I would not start to print and transforming that kind of arts should become even more
involved in certain topics that Neural something now, I would experiment journalism? interesting in the future!
covers – but that’s a different thing with all the online facilities available I hope that it increased the
from a more regular contributor. and familiarise myself with production understanding – that is part of the
My current contributors are techniques online. I would probably do mission if you’re one of the few dealing
international. There is Jonah Bruckner some experiments in print but it would with the conceptual side of media
Cohen and Paolo Pedercini from be the opposite of what I did when arts and culture. Given the long time
the US; Mark Hancock from the UK I started in 1993. Of course printing period of Neural I do hope that I
and Vicente Guitierrez from Tokyo; and online are at the antipodes have had at least some influence, and
Michael Dieter from Australia, plus compared to when I started! inspired a few things that happened.
Vito Campanelli and Leandro Pisano At the same time there is so much These are also the indicators for
from Italy who contribute – if they’re space for experiment in both print success if you look at Neural as an
interested in the topics I suggest. and online and almost countless active node within a network! If you
Neural is not a very democratic forum, possibilities for making and producing are a node, you’re sending out waves
but it is based on understanding: as things. I want to build on the cultural all over and it is often difficult to tell
editor-in-chief I suggest the rough capital that I have acquired in print who these waves are reaching. It
lines and the topics, and am very over such a long time, and don’t want is true that digital arts and culture
open to suggestions from their side. to switch anymore. was a very closed field and did not
Having published the magazine for succeed in breaking the walls to reach
16 years, I generally have enough beyond its own scene to the broader
experience of what is worth publishing
and what is not, and to make a final From an economic contemporary arts and culture.
In the beginning that was due to
selection. Usually I ask them to write point of view technical issues – curators, journalists
about specific issues. Nevertheless
sometimes they suggest something it would be and critics just did not understand
why or how something worked and
that I was not aware about and it turns a wise choice what the value of digital arts was.
out absolutely worth writing about! What happens now is a process of
to completely legitimisation through practise and
You have just mentioned only switch to online production of hybrid work, which has
male writers – are all your main consequences beyond the digital and
contributors men? publishing. is not based on technical innovation
No! The most faithful writer is only. I find that very important because
Valentina Culatti, Italian but living it increases the accessibility of media
in London, and there’s also Katrien But that would not be a challenge arts and it leads to ‘real’ waves and
Jacobs, who lives in Hong Kong and for me anymore, or a different one. consequences as we namely did in
writes about body, gender, technology I am not saying that I will be printing Google Will Eat Itself and Amazon
and sexuality. But unfortunately it is things forever, but as long as it is Noir, and plenty of artists do today.
mostly men. I am very sensitive to the still interesting to play with print – Net art seems to be developing along
gender question, because I believe the physical thing, to experiment these lines.
that women do write in a different way, with these different relationships of This development looks similar to
especially about specific topics like something completely virtual and what happened with video art in the
body, politics, and music, and it can something much more physical, beginning. However, it’s a different
be much more interesting! Generally I will remain doing it.121 time now, and I do think that new
speaking, I believe that a balanced generations are very open to digital
team of women and men leads to more arts. Maybe they are less prepared,
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109
http://neural.it
110
http://www.neural.it/art/2007/07/
magnet_reader_2_between_paper.phtml
111
http://www.nettime.org
112
http://magnet-ecp.org
113
http://www.neural.it
114
http://www.wired.com
115
http://www.neural.it/art/2002/01/
various_artists_virtual_realit.phtml
116
http://www.gwei.org
117
http://amazon-noir.com
118
http://www.magnet-ecp.org
119
http://cca-glasgow.com/home
120
http://www.metamute.org
121
See also: The Persistance of Paper:
http://www.neural.it/art/2007/07/
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Régine
Debatty
About Régine Debatty When and why did you start
As founder of the highly influential blog blogging?
we-make-money-not-art.com,122 Régine In March 2004. By chance. I was
Debatty has been nicknamed ‘Queen of bored at work. Really bored. I worked
Bloggers’. She writes passionately about in an office in Italy and I was paid to do
the intersection between art, design and absolutely nothing. All I had to do was
technology, as well as curating art shows pretend I was working. In November
and speaking at conferences and festivals 2003, I met a new media artist. He
about the way artists, hackers and interaction was doing art performances with
designers use – and misuse – technology. mobile phones. To me, at the time,
She talks to LabforCulture about how mobile phones were merely a tool to
she chooses what goes into her blog, her work. An annoying tool I hated and
economic model (or lack of one!) – and nothing more. I found the work of that
how her blog feels so much part of her artist so interesting I started to scan
that it’s like an arm or a lung... the web to find more information about
this mix of art and technology. At first,
The following interview between and I was printing everything I could find
Annette Wolfsberger and Regine Debatty online. My office table quickly became
was held on 17 June 2009 via Skype chat. a huge mess with big files full of paper
and stickers that attempted to put
some order in the sea of information
I was accumulating.
At some point, a friend (actually
it’s the artist I mentioned above, his
name is Max and he’s my wonderful
boyfriend) told me I should archive
everything on a blog. I was a bit
reluctant at first, but after a few days
I became totally passionate about it.
Blogging was just something I was
doing for myself, I never thought
people would find the blog and read
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me one day that I should put some topic. At times I will write a lot about a job at least as reliable and thorough with the blog is a wonderful privilege,
advertising on the blog and see what architecture, at others I’ll cover mostly as some newspapers and even if but it is not my motor.
happens. I also had some savings at activist projects or video art from they have a wider audience – do not
the bank so I decided to quit my job China. It depends on where I happen necessarily benefit from the same When asking cultural operators
and see how long I could survive with to be at the time, or the mood I’m in. recognition and privileges as journalists. in Europe for cultural blog
just the blog and a bit of advertising. I plan to dedicate one week of my recommendations, Adam Somlai-
It was really hard in the beginning. blogging activities next month (or Alessandro from Neural in an Fischer (The Kitchen, Budapest129)
I was so poor but I loved blogging. the one after) to the terrible conditions interview described his blog as ‘a rated your blog far higher in
Five years later, I’m still there and my Palestinians are currently facing, just magic portal for opportunities’.128 In influence, immediacy and accuracy
situation is very different from what because it’s an issue I care about. your professional and business model, than the print magazine Wired.130
it was then, but I’m still enjoying it. I could also add that some names what is the relationship between your Also the pixel/print conference
pop up more often than others. I on- and offline activities? recently discussed these
Have there been any specific phases blatantly favour organizations or art They are intimately linked. People relationships.131 How would you
that wmmna has gone through since centers such as MediaLab Prado tend to contact me because they’ve describe the relationship between
its beginning, e.g. what was the in Madrid,123 CCCS124 in Firenze heard of my blog and certainly not traditional print-media like these
turning point for you to be able (Florence) or LABoral125 in Gijon. because I’m the most competent or and online journalism?
to become a professional blogger My blog also follows with some smartest. There are so many people That is a tough and complex
(that is to say, to be able to live regularity the work of curator brighter than me out there but they question, but because you’ve
from your blogging)? Domenico Quaranta126 or of biotech don’t benefit from the opportunity- mentioned two people I like a lot,
I can’t really think of any turning artist Adam Zaretsky.127 It’s not magnet that a fairly popular blog is. Alessandro and Adam, I’ll try and
point. One day I discovered blogging because they are nicer to me than elaborate a bit.
and I was sucked into it. others (but I must admit that they are How would you describe your I see paper and pixel as two very
awfully nice) nor because they ask economic model? compatible media. They might seem
How would you describe your me anything. I just happen to admire Well, this is the third question that different, they certainly have different
editorial policy? the passion and talent they bring to hints at the way I make money and I rhythms and different rules but I can’t
It’s very simple. I just do what I want. their work, no matter the difficulties must say that talking money has always write off either of them from my life.
I don’t respond very well to any kind they might encounter. It’s incredibly made me uncomfortable. Now I do I could say that I spend way more
of constraint or obligation. I guess this inspiring and gratifying to work in realise that the very title of my blog time with online magazines than
might explain in part the success of my the same sphere as such people. might have you assume the opposite. with paper ones. But that statement
blog. It’s clear by now that people can Anyway.... there’s this thing about applies to certain areas of my life
send me their books and I’ll be grateful ‘Queen of Bloggers’: You are one of bloggers: one never finds it odd to better than to others. For example,
but I won’t review the book if I don’t the few and only European bloggers ask them how much they earn, but one of my passions is beauty products.
find it particularly exciting. who can live off their blogging one would not ask the same question I’ve completely stopped buying
without being part of an institution, of a journalist, an opera singer or women’s magazines because I find
which is still quite rare in Europe independent curator, for example. the information about cosmetics on
– especially for culture bloggers. It would be seen as indelicate. I blogs and forums far more reliable.
They can invite me In how far has the blogging scene wonder if it’s a sign that blogging is I know some bloggers are happily
changed since you started, and not yet regarded as a serious activity. copying and pasting PR blurbs but I
to exhibitions but if do you see it professionalising or I don’t have an economic model don’t read this kind of blog. I follow the
monetising further? and if I did, it certainly is one I would ones that talk with sincerity about the
I don’t find anything I sometimes wonder why people not recommend to anyone: I’ve never products they review. Man, I’d love to
meaningful in the show, call me ‘Queen of Bloggers’. It’s both
very flattering but also embarrassing.
looked for advertisers. I even have
advertising spaces that I give for free
swap places with them. They’d be sent
books about media art and I’d receive
I won’t discuss it on Maybe it’s because of my name? I’m
quite sure bloggers would not love to
to cultural organisations just because
I like them or find their activities worth
tons of beauty creams and mascaras.
They’d go to ars electronica and I’d
the blog. be ruled by me.
More seriously, I think that blogging
a little help, I’m always super late at
sending invoices, etc. I do a series
be having anti-cellulite massages in
a spa. On the other hand, I always
could be further professionalised. It of things with the sole aim of making pack architecture and art magazines
It’s all very subjective, un-planned and might take more time than I hope, money (I write for magazines, for (in particular the wonderful Volume)
un-tamed. I don’t pretend to write though. Almost every day I’m reminded example) but blogging has never with me when I take the plane. I like
extensively nor exclusively about any that bloggers – even if some of them do been one of them. Earning money the image spreads, taking notes in

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the margins, and I also enjoy the fact Actually, when some editor asks me has found a way to clone Sascha, I’ll In how far are you influenced by
that most of what they write about to write a column for a magazine, just keep on blogging as a lonesome your readership’s responses?
(and the very way they write) doesn’t a chapter for a book, or a text for cowboy. Very little. Every reader has a
often have an equivalent online. a catalogue, that’s always what they different idea of what my blog should
More generally speaking, I can’t live request: the intimate, spontaneous and How much do you know about your be, everyone expects something
without the online edition of The personal voice they hear on my blog. readers? Do you engage in an active different and it would be impossible
Guardian.132 They do an excellent What they ask for is the point of view dialogue with your readership for me to make everyone happy.
job at making screen-reading utterly of the blogger, who also happens to (via comments, Twitter, Facebook What I could do, however, is look at
enjoyable. It’s not just a question of be an expert in the field. At least that’s or other tools)? my stats and see which stories are the
applying a fancy design or adding what they seem to believe. Well, I wish they’d engage in a more most read and commented on and act
sexy photo galleries like other active dialogue but I also know that accordingly. That’s precisely what I did
newspaper do. The Italian newspaper I understood from the Elastico-clan I’m not really encouraging them to. a few years ago and I was extremely
La Repubblica,133 which I otherwise like that you have guest-blogged for I don’t Twitter and my Facebook disappointed to see that the posts that
a lot, has an embarrassing idea of what them in the past, and I remember page is private. I mostly post videos meant the most to me were far from
the online edition of a magazine can guest bloggers on wmmna too, of Demis Roussos on my fb wall. I being the most successful. Instead,
be: articles are not very often updated, at least a while ago: how important wish my blog had a Facebook page I noticed that the most popular stories
information is generally scanty and is collaborative (writing) practice but I got totally disheartened when were about robots, sex and all of that
there are some vulgar galleries of for you? I realized someone had been faster together when possible.
women in bikinis that multiply page Not important. I love Elastico, than me. There’s some awful wmmna Two or three years ago, I started
views but not really the credibility Jose-Luis, Marta and Antonio, so it page on fb, and the person responsible writing about biotech art and the
of the online edition. The Guardian, was an honour to write a couple of for it would not answer response from some readers was
on the other hand, has poured an posts for them. my messages. Reminds me that I spectacularly negative. Because my
incredible amount of intelligence Now about the collaborators for should do something about it instead blog had been associated with digital
and energy on its website. Some of its my blog. Konomi is back in Japan and of sitting there complaining to you. art and interaction design so far, artists,
journalists are writing opinionated and doesn’t have as much free time as he I nevertheless feel that I have a very designers and other readers would
reliable blogs, the web architecture used to when he was in the USA. I close relationship with my readers come up to me at festivals and tell
is clear and efficient, they make miss him. Sascha Pohflepp134 used to because I meet many of them at me: “Would you please stop writing
smart use of videos and readers’ write on the blog but he’s finishing his festivals, conferences and other events. about biotech art? It’s gross and it
contributions. studies at the Royal College of Art People would then come up to me has nothing to do with the blog.” That’s
But the area I follow most closely is and he doesn’t even seem to find time to introduce themselves. That's how the moment I realised that the blog,
obviously art journalism, critique and to eat, poor thing. Sascha is the worst I know them. I love them. It sounds that space I had always regarded as
blogging. I see loads of connections thing that can happen to a blogger a cliché but I do. Also many students a private space, a place where I would
and mingling here. Journalists starting who looks for contributors. The worst! write me to ask for some help in share with my readers (or not) what
a blog, sometimes at the invitation He’s so smart, has such impeccable researching a project and I'm always interested me, had become something
of the newspaper or magazine they taste and great personality that I don’t happy to give a hand. (Note to any public in the eyes of many readers.
work with. And bloggers are asked think anyone could ever replace him. journalist reading these lines: I won’t I fight against that. It would make me
to contribute to posh art magazines. I’m usually annoying to work with help you, ok?) Seriously you can’t miserable to write to please as many
because I know what I want for the imagine the number of journalists who people as possible. It would probably
blog, or so I seem to think. Sascha contact bloggers and ask them to do drive me mad too.
One of the most sometimes came up with ideas for some research for them. I had very
posts that I didn’t find exciting but bad experiences in the past: journalists From the past to the future: Has
priceless lessons that I knew it would be silly to say ‘no’ copy/pasting what I had written to wmmna reached its perfect state
to his ideas. He might have different them and never giving credit, not even for you already, or how do you see
blogs have taught me tastes from me sometimes but he sending me an email to thank me. I’m it develop further?
is that being personal still has great taste and a way to write
that makes the dullest topic sound
not looking for exposure, but a ‘thank
you’ because I’ve spent a couple of
I’m never happy with whatever I do,
so I would never believe that my blog
and laid-back doesn’t fascinating.
So I wish more people could
hours doing your job would be nice.
Not all journalists are like that, thank
has reached a perfect state. Far from it.
No clue about the future. I wish I
have to be a heresy. contribute to the blog, especially
because I tend to write excruciatingly
god, but I’m not taking any more risks. had smart strategies and cunning plans
to share with the world but nope, just
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And thinking beyond that, have you in the US. It also has a more design-y
ever considered what will happen perspective.143
to your blog if you ever decide to There’s the Resist project I’m
reduce or retire from blogging – involved in. It’s a multi-disciplinary
will it become a repository, would project about new ways to tackle
you hand it over? economic apartheid. I’m currently
The blog is so much part of myself, running the art section of the blog.
it would be like handing over an arm In a pretty laid-back way so far,
or a lung. but in the second phase we’ll be
commissioning artists’ works that offer
And finally, are there any other everyday people new ways to resist and
(cultural) blogs or online media that engage with a number of social issues.144
you would recommend? …and last but not least there’s
The blog I’d take on a desert island WNMNA.145 These guys are wonderful.
is Edgar Gonzalez. It’s in Spanish but Sometimes they would translate my
I’ve never really seen its equivalent posts and sometimes they write their
anywhere. It’s mostly an architecture own (which cover more closely the
blog but it also touches upon art, Chinese new media art scene). Unlike
interactive design, and other forms me they have unlimited resources of
of culture. It’s witty and written by energy (my laziness is legendary) and
someone who has a great personality organise their own events, workshops
and it shows.135 It’s closely followed and artists’ talks to spread the new
by Subtopia, a field guide to military media art love in China.
urbanism.136 It’s in French and about
literature but it’s written by my best
friend, who appreciates Demis Roussos ——
almost as much as I do. 122
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com
So here, Maddy, I often wish you 123
http://medialab-prado.es
were near me.137 124
http://www.strozzina.org
There is La Petite Claudine. Once 125
http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org
again, a blog in Spanish. That girl, 126
http://www.domenicoquaranta.net
Marta from Elastico, has impeccable 127
http://www.emutagen.com
taste, one of the wittiest minds I’ve 128
http://magnet-ecp.org/node/63
ever met and writes with talent about 129
http://www.kitchenbudapest.hu
technology, art, sex or whatever 130
http://www.wired.com
takes her fancy.138 Curating.info is my 131
http://blog.wdka.nl/communication-in-a-
favourite culture blog in English. The digital-age
title says it all; it’s a fantastic resource 132
http://www.guardian.co.uk
written by someone who knows 133
http://www.repubblica.it
what she’s talking about.139 Neural, 134
http://www.pohflepp.com
of course, the feed of the website is 135
http://www.edgargonzalez.com
great because you get Alessandro 136
http://subtopia.blogspot.com
Ludovico’s Delicious links.140 137
http://deslivresetdesanges.blogspot.com
Verve Photo. The New Breed of 138
http://www.lapetiteclaudine.com
Documentary Photographers. Just go 139
http://curating.info
there and you’ll be an instant convert.141 140 http://www.neural.it
I love rebel:art. It’s in German but it’s 141
http://vervephoto.wordpress.com
one of the best resources I have found 142 http://www.rebelart.net/diary
that relays the art+activist scene.142 143
http://blog.groundswellcollective.com
The Groundswell Blog does 144
http://www.resistnetwork.com
similarly fantastic work but is based 145
http://we-need-money-not-art.com

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BLOGS AS CULTURAL
SEISMOGRAPHS
by Annette Wolfsberger
With comments by
Nicola Mullenger

A viral journey in this publication are non-institutional


LabforCulture initiated the research and trans-disciplinary. They were
into cultural blogging in Europe partly chosen according to their format and
based on its mission to encourage focus, as well as according to their
the cultural sector to use technology geographical spread (although many
and digital tools – and to provide up- of the blogs featured are international
to-the-minute information on cultural in their focus, and therefore the
collaboration. Exploring cultural nationality of bloggers is not that
blogging and the people behind this relevant). Most of the cultural blogs
creative output had never been done featured relate to art in its broadest
before. It was an opportunity not to possible form, involving new media
be missed. and avoiding categorisation, pushing
The research took the shape of boundaries, often towards other
a viral journey. It was obvious that it sectors. This mixture of culturally
would be impossible to carry out a orientated bloggers highlights trends
comprehensive quantitative research and tendencies, and all of them
survey of all the cultural orientated contribute to a wider understanding
blogs across Europe. This was not of the cultural blogging universe.
only due to the sheer size of the field,
but also because of the language and Why examine cultural blogging?
contextual barriers and searchability Cultural blogs substantially add to
and findability of cultural blogs. Instead a critical layer within the blogosphere
an initial survey among more than and become increasingly significant
50 key cultural operators, mainly sources of reference. Many of the
with a background in popular or featured ones have existed for several
contemporary culture, as well as years, and bloggers acknowledge
media arts, led to many suggestions that the blogging environment has
of cultural bloggers. From an initial undergone significant changes in the
shortlist, nine in-depth interviews were recent past. Initially, blogs represented
conducted throughout 2009 with a personal, individual voice on a
some of the leading cultural bloggers specific topic. However, this has now
that had been identified. shifted towards a wide variety of
‘Cultural blogging’ is not an content and styles, including individual
established term. The blogs featured blogs, collaborative blogs, moderated

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or open platforms. The increased made it very accessible. We wanted blogs like the Dutch nrc.next blog149 or as far more interesting than the
availability of technological means is to reach everybody – not only people the British newspaper, The Guardian,150 comments he receives via his blog.
not enough on its own to explain the in specific fields.’ They identified a or experiments such as Polish Polytika’s When asked about the relationship
increased variety and availability of need for new journalism, for new and inclusion of the Kultura 2.0 blog, are with her audience, Debatty recalls
blogs. Undoubtedly, the low costs, interesting topics beyond the scope just some examples of this. that parts of her community protested
accessibility and user-friendliness of newspapers and they acted on this when she changed her editorial focus
of (free) software such as Wordpress need. Blogs as public notebooks151 a few years ago. ‘That’s the moment I
and Blogger have had an impact, Blogs finally made it possible to The interviewed bloggers confirm realised that the blog, that space I had
but it is also the social and cultural sketch current and emerging arts their intention to use their blog to always regarded as a private space,
demands that have driven these developments from a personal and increase access to (previously niche a place where I would share with my
technological developments.146 During subjective perspective, bypassing or hidden) knowledge for diverse readers (or not) what interested me,
the past decade, the field has matured: traditional segmentation and academic audiences that were not catered for had become something public in the
sustained experimentation, enthusiasm discourse. As Michelle Kasprzak until then. In some cases, this might eyes of many readers.’
and shared determination have led to from Curating.info puts it, ‘blogging stem from a cultural activist approach The tools applied for distributed
a richer cultural blogging environment [is] an interface to the public without (e.g. Mancuso’s Digicult). Elastico conversations extend beyond
than ever. an intermediary’, and Claire Welsby underline the notion of their blog as commenting, and they are temporary
Marco Mancuso of Digicult says from InterventTech.net explains that a ‘public notebook’ – a conversation and shifting. ‘Twitter is not the end
in his interview, ‘I consider blogging ‘the UK was lacking an accessible and tool exploring the idea of transparent of blogging,’ as Anne Helmond
or web journalism and critique the lateral platform for art-tech. A place research between four writers that the notes, but the platforms within which
present and the future of critical that embraced the range of artists audience was invited to join. Kasprzak online writing and conversations
and independent information: it is exploring these territories in terms describes her blog as an open take place are continually shifting.
today, and will be in the future, one of form, creative process and subject.’ repository and archive of her curatorial Web authors and journalists have
of the most important voices in the Blogs and bloggers were quicker and thoughts, and Welsby confirms that embedded microblogging, or ‘media
cultural sector.’ However, the scenario better suited than traditional media InterventTech.net is supposed to be on the run formats’ such as Twitter or
Mancuso sketched seems to be one to understanding new means of (arts) ‘a collective voice for an otherwise Facebook, within their blogs; or else
that yet has to reach the broader production and to contextualising that fragmented scene’. they have entirely shifted their writing
cultural sector: within the more transformation. Many bloggers confirm that activity to other platforms, as some
traditional arts fields, bloggers and In his interview, Alessandro building an active community is members of the Elastico blog have
web journalists alike still need to gain Ludovico from neural.it says, ‘In the difficult to achieve, as the majority done. Conversations and commenting
a lot of ground.147 beginning, printing was king and online of the audience consists of ‘random have shifted from comment functions
was accessory. Now it’s exactly the readers’, as Tarkowski describes them. on blogs to social networking
A need for new journalism opposite...’ The relationship between And although blog commenting is environments such as Twitter and
A common feature that unites many printed media and online journalism scarce, bloggers do entertain intense Facebook. And although several
of the bloggers interviewed is that – or between ‘print and pixel’ 148 is on- and offline relationships with their bloggers were initially sceptical about
they all started blogging because they an important issue for bloggers. community. adding social networking tools to their
felt there was insufficient access to Rather than being competitive, the These audience-blogger blogs, now there is hardly anyone who
and a lack of space within the existing relationship can be described as relationships are multi-layered and has not integrated them. As Ludovico
media for new voices, especially when complementary. Régine Debatty from cannot be fully understood when states in his interview, despite his initial
covering cross-sectoral or trans- we-make-money-not-art.com feels that looking merely into commenting, scepticism, ‘you have to know and use
disciplinary cultural issues. According print is complementary to blogging as as they manifest themselves in many them to understand them’.
to Alek Tarkowski from Kultura 2.0, they both inhabit very different rhythms different ways.152 The Neural blog,
blogs made it possible to introduce and rules. Although Ludovico states in for example, does not even have a Blogging as a lonesome cowboy?153
new and emerging voices and issues his interview that, from an economic comment function. However, in spite The forms of cultural blogging differ
into the public debate. Traditional perspective, it would be wise for him of this, Ludovico confirms that he widely. This summary will not expand
newspapers could not deal with the to give up his printed magazine and has a strong and direct relationship on categorisations too deeply, but Jill
phenomena of media arts and culture completely switch to online publishing, with the Neural audience, e.g. via Walker Rettberg’s book Blogging154
and parked them in editorial sections he still longs to ‘play with print’. mail or in person. Mancuso says offers further reading: she beautifully
that did not fit. Spanish collaborative However, it is important to note that he gets feedback from the Digicult sketches the development of publishing
bloggers Elastico state that before the role of news(paper)blogs within the community on a daily basis. Robert from early print to the latest blogs,
their blog, ‘There was nothing like it, printed press has strongly increased Misik of misik.at regards the input and and outlines different types of blogs.
both in topics and in tone! We always within the past five years. Excellent feedback that he gets via Facebook The romantic idea of a blogger as

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a lonesome cowboy, however, does on economic developments and their blog. They would be even less is also confirmed by Debatty, who
not suffice anymore. While a few of the models. The economic models behind inclined to do so if it could affect their is most often cited as the cultural
blogs excel because of their singular blogs are highlighted because of the blogging style or frequency, or their blogger who can make a living from
voice and personal tone (for example, presumption that they will also change independence. They blog out of a her blogging activities.
Kasprzak’s Curating.info, Debatty’s within a transforming landscape of deep interest in their subject area. However, the situation is changing:
we-make-money-not-art.com, or cultural production, distribution, For most, being able to live off their in a recent interview, Florian Cramer
Misik’s videoblogs), others can be consumption and participation of new blog is wishful thinking. The initial states that, ‘Blogs provide a good
better described as collaborative media.156 With the blogging sector investment and maintenance costs alternative for editorial commentary
blogs (for example, Elastico, which is maturing, and blogging transforming are low – Mancuso says he runs the and opinions; the blogger has become
run by four Spanish journalist friends from a hobby (in the most positive Digicult blog on 50 Euros a year – the online version of the newspaper
and Kultura 2.0). Some blogs are meaning of the word) to a job, one but the countless hours of mainly columnist.’159 In his view, the biggest
informative and discursive platforms, would expect that (cultural) bloggers unpaid labour put into the blog newspaper crisis in history will lead
such as InterventTech.net or Digicult could make a living from their online transform them into the invaluable to a shift of advertisement markets
(although Mancuso describes his writing. This hardly is the case. resources that they are. towards the internet and to real shifts
magazine and blog ‘as cultural and Bloggers are unhappy with the As far as sources of income towards online civic journalism.
journalistic tools’ rather than as open fact that blogging is still not fully are concerned, public funding for
platforms). Neural could be defined recognised within the media and the (non-institutional) blogs remains still Finally
as a platform, or potentially more cultural field. Blogging is not a ‘lower largely unexplored by bloggers, and Cultural Bloggers Interviewed
accurately as an interconnected form of journalism’, as Mancuso funding seems to be close to non- offers a window into cultural blogging
node in a network that manifests contests. It is more than a ‘prestigious existent in any case. Some bloggers at an interesting point in our ever-
itself as both a magazine and blog CV building job’, according to have experimented with Google or emerging digital society; and the
(with different but similar content). Helmond, who is disheartened by the Facebook adverts; their experiences online LabforCulture Bloggers Map is
All of the blogs, however, even fact that organisers still expect her to differ, and success rates still seem a first attempt to visualize the multitude
the platform-based ones, have live-blog from conferences with just difficult to measure. Selling online and variety of cultural blogs across
personalities within or behind them a free ticket as reimbursement. Also advertisement space (e.g. banners) Europe, submitted by LabforCulture’s
that make them distinctive. This is not Debatty is astonished that bloggers on their own blogs is another source online community.
only true for singular bloggers such as still do not necessarily benefit from of income. According to Kasprzak, This series of interviews is a serious
Debatty, who confirms that her blog the same recognition and privileges as the ‘what do I get out of it - factor’ is exploration into the scene, mapping
is valued for its ‘intimate, spontaneous journalists, even if they have a bigger one explanation as to why there are existing models and trends, and
and personal voice’. Her blog is so audience than some newspapers still so few blogs on contemporary developing an insight into why people
much part of herself, she says, that and are just as professional. visual arts: it just does not pay off – people start and continue to maintain
handing it over to someone else would No one contests the need for at least not straight away. Bloggers cultural blogs. It sketches their
feel like handing over her lung or her further professionalisation. Blogging have crafted their own models that expectations, the relationship with their
arm. Misik claims that bloggers without is still not included in many curricula would be difficult to replicate, such as communities, and the different paths
their very own voice will ‘drown in the of journalism education, although Kultura 2.0 – a blog independent in their blogging carreers take, how their
blogosphere’. Ludovico is the face the academic world seems to be content but linked to a newspaper. blogs lead them into a wider arena
of Neural, and although Digicult has changing. Initiatives like the Masters The most common model of of peer recognition and support their
many facets, it is Mancuso’s voice itself of Media, a collaborative blog of generating income is via related professional development.
that stands out. This is also the case for new media master students at the activities, such as researching, curating These blogs are cultural
the Elastico ‘family’, as they describe University of Amsterdam, serves as and writing for print media. Ludovico seismographs. They are close to the
themselves. a good example.157 Recently, however, describes Neural as a ‘magic portal to ground, and their antennae feel and
there does seem to be a gradual access other inspiring opportunities’. predict emerging and future cultural
It’s still Wild West155 shift in the recognition of blogging This magic portal function is developments. They illustrate future
In her introduction, Mercedes content. For example 158, the annual something that works for most of the possibilities for knowledge sharing
Bunz positions cultural blogs at the George Orwell Prize, which rewards blogs; bloggers do not earn money and influencing discourse.
border of digital capitalism. The outstanding political writing in the UK, from their blog but because of their Finding ‘your’ blog(s) might involve
blogging field in general, and the has given awards to blogs for the past blog. Bloggers are interconnected some exploration and take time and
cultural blogging field in particular, two years. nodes in a multi-layered online and effort, but as Mercedes Bunz outlines
are still evolving at such a rapid The financial expectations of offline network, and weave many in her introduction, you might be
speed that it is difficult to draw bloggers differ widely. Several different activities into an often fragile, rewarded by finding the one that
more than temporary conclusions bloggers do not strive to monetise sustainable economical model. This suits and accompanies you.

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As for the future, it is up to us. As 146
See also Walker Rettberg, Jill. 2008.
an active cultural community, we are Blogging. Polity Press: ‘The idea that
the ones to decide how to interact technology determines social and
with these online resources, and to cultural trends and patterns is known as
engage with the increasingly diverse technological determinism, and has often
voices. This will ultimately impact on the been criticized. Although it is clear that
development of the cultural blogging technology does affect the ways in which
scene and the cultural sector as a whole. we live, technology does not appear out
of a void, and is itself shaped by cultural
Thank you  developments.’
to everyone across Europe who has 147
This was also reflected in the initial
contributed with ideas and suggestions!  viral journey. Of the more than 50
Without you, this endeavor would not European cultural operators contacted,
have been possible. a considerable majority of those working
in popular culture did not read blogs.
However, many made reference to
—— useful leads.
Annette Wolfsberger (AT/NL) is an Austrian- 148
Print & Pixel conference, Piet Zwart
born producer, curator and researcher based Institute Rotterdam, May 2010.
in Amsterdam. Her areas of interest include http://wdka.hro.nl/news.asp
media arts, as well as contemporary and 149
http://www.nrcnext.nl
popular culture. She works for a diverse 150
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog
number of cultural organisations, including 151
Alek Tarkowski, http://kultura20.blog.
Sonic Acts, Virtueel Platform, Netherlands polityka.pl/in his interview.
Media Arts Institute (NIMk) and Trans Europe 152
See Lovink’s discussion of Distributed
Halles (TEH). She also regularly contributes Aesthetics in Lovink, Geert. 2008. Zero
to publications on new media culture.161  Comments. Blogging and Critical Internet
Nicola Mullenger (UK/NL) is interested Culture. Routledge.
in societal development and its juncture with 153
Régine Debatty, www.we-make-money-
arts and culture. Working in international not-art.com in her interview.
communication, marketing strategy and 154
Walker Rettberg, Jill. 2008. Blogging.
project management roles within visual arts Polity Press.
and creative industries for the past 12 years, 155
Michelle Kasprzak, www.curating.info
she has been with the European Cultural in her interview.
Foundation for five years. She has a post- 156
Alek Tarkowski & others in their interviews.
graduate Diploma in Arts Management from 157
http://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl. The blog
Birkbeck College, London and continues launched in September 2006, as part of the
her early passion for photography through new media practices course taught at the
various projects. University of Amsterdam by Geert Lovink,
the founder and coordinator of this project.
Now in its third year, the blog is populated
by about 50 young new media researchers,
either nearing completion of their master’s
degree or recently graduated.
158
http://www.theorwellprize.co.uk
159
Interview with Florian Cramer in Archive
2020 (Virtueel Platform, 2010).
160
http://www.labforculture.org/en/
resources-for-research/contents/research-
in-focus/cultural-blogging-in-europe/
european-cultural-blogging-map
161
www.aaaan.net

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European cultural
blogging map

As part of LabforCulture’s ongoing


series exploring cultural blogs across
Europe, we launched an interactive
map of the European cultural blogging
scene. It includes the blogs from this
series and other interesting cultural
blogs selected by our editorial team
and online community. Find out more at This map is only a visual approximation
www.labforculture.org/culturalbloggers of the online European cultural blogging
map as of July 2010.

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