Professional Documents
Culture Documents
Pursuant to the Court’s direction at the June 18, 2009 hearing and the Court’s Order of
June 20, 2009, the United States Department of Justice submits this Supplemental Memorandum
to address (1) two cases identified by the Court at the hearing and (2) known instances of senior
White House officials engaging in interviews with law enforcement investigators outside the
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The Court’s Order also directed DOJ to submit the three documents listed in its Vaughn
index to the Court for in camera review, and to file appropriate declarations. DOJ is submitting
the three documents to the Court today. Material that is exempt pursuant to Exemptions 1, 2, 3,
5 (deliberative process), and/or 5 (Presidential communications privilege) is bracketed with the
appropriate exemption(s) annotated in the margin. Declarations setting forth the bases for each
of these exemptions as well as Exemption 7(A), Exemption 5 (law enforcement privilege), and
Exemption 5 (work product privilege) are attached. The law enforcement privilege and
Exemption 7(A) apply to the documents in their entirety. Work product privilege applies to the
typed written outline of questions (but not the handwritten notes of answers) on one of the sets of
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In Sussman v. United States Marshals Service, 494 F.3d 1106 (D.C. Cir. 2007), the D.C.
Exemption 7(A) covers materials compiled for law enforcement purposes whose
disclosure “could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement
proceedings.” 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A). The enforcement proceedings need not
be currently ongoing; it suffices for them to be “reasonably anticipated.”
Mapother v. DOJ, 3 F.3d 1533, 1540 (D.C. Cir. 1993) (emphasis omitted).
The court went on to note that to successfully assert Exemption 7(A), an agency
declaration must contain “specific information about the impact of the disclosures” on pending
or reasonably anticipated law enforcement proceedings. Id. at 1114. In this matter, both the
formal letter from Attorney General Mukasey and the Declaration of the Assistant Attorney
General currently in charge of DOJ’s Criminal Division, Lanny A. Breuer, set forth such specific
As Mr. Breuer states, given the history of law enforcement investigations that have
involved obtaining information from senior White House officials, “the Department of Justice
believes that there is a reasonable probability of future law enforcement investigations by the
Department of Justice that will require and benefit from obtaining information from White
House officials, possibly at the highest level of government.” Breuer Decl. ¶ 2.2 Mr. Breuer
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A “reasonable probability” is clearly sufficient to meet the “reasonably anticipated”
standard for application of Exemption 7(A). Indeed, courts have indicated that Exemption 7(A)
is applicable even with a substantially lower showing. See, e.g., Bevis v. Dep’t of State, 801 F.2d
1386, 1389 (D.C. Cir. 1986) (Exemption 7(A) appropriate where the court “cannot discount the
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further explains that “[a] non-public interview can be particularly important in gaining the
cooperation of senior-level White House officials given the public role of such witnesses, the
sensitive nature of the subject matters that may be discussed, the potential politicization of these
sensitive issues, and the possibility that whatever matter is being investigated ultimately may not
warrant any law enforcement action.” Id. ¶ 4. “[I]f law enforcement interviews of the President,
Vice President or other senior White House officials become subject to routine public disclosure,
even upon the conclusion of an investigation, there is an increased likelihood that such officials
could feel reluctant to participate in voluntary interviews or, if they agree to such voluntary
interviews, could decline to answer questions on certain topics.” Id. ¶ 5; accord Mukasey letter,
at 4 (attached as Bradbury Decl. Ex. B) (“Were future Presidents, Vice Presidents or White
House staff to perceive that such voluntary cooperation would create records that would likely be
made available to Congress (and then possibly disclosed publicly outside of judicial proceedings
such as a trial), there would be an unacceptable risk that such knowledge could adversely impact
their willingness to cooperate fully and candidly in a voluntary interview.”); see also United
States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683, 705 (1974) (“Human experience teaches that those who expect
public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for
appearances . . . .”).
As Mr. Breuer further states, “[a] White House official’s reluctance to submit voluntarily
prospect” of future law enforcement proceedings within the class of proceedings that would be
impacted by disclosure); Hildago v. FBI, 541 F. Supp. 2d 250, 256 (D.D.C. 2008) (“An ongoing
search for – and possible future trials of – indicted and unindicted fugitives satisfies that
[concreteness] standard, even if the possibility of actual prosecution is ultimately remote.”).
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several important ways.” Breuer Decl. ¶ 6; accord Mukasey letter, at 4 (“Such a result would
significantly impair the Department’s ability to conduct future law enforcement investigations
that would benefit from full White House cooperation.”). For example, obtaining information
through interviews early in an investigation “often assists law enforcement agents in obtaining
concentrate or focus the investigation,” and may “obviate the need to convene a grand jury at all
or circumscribe the focus of the grand jury’s inquiry.” Breuer Decl. ¶ 6. “A law enforcement
from senior officials more inclined to provide identifiable leads, name percipient witnesses, offer
credibility assessments of the accuser or other witnesses, and even articulate inferences, insight
senior White House official were to require the investigators to go through the grand jury
process, “[s]uch a decision could impose considerable practical difficulties and burdens upon
investigators and prosecutors that at best could prolong investigations and at worst thwart
investigations.” Id. ¶ 7.
investigations: “In addition, forcing White House officials to be brought before grand juries
could have the effect of injecting the law enforcement investigation itself into the political
process, which could intrude upon government operations at the highest level of government,
and which could risk the perception that the investigation itself was political, thus undermining
public faith in the impartiality of the judicial system. Baseless, partisan allegations that easily
could be investigated and dismissed through voluntary interviews now may have to be
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investigated through the specter of the grand jury process. In addition, if law enforcement
interviews are routinely subject to public disclosure, there could be a significant risk of
politicization of law enforcement files and investigation, which could undermine the integrity
and effectiveness of, and public confidence in, those investigations.” Id. ¶ 8.3
In Antonelli v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, No. Civ. A. 04-1180,
2005 WL 3276222 (Aug. 16, 2005), the court addressed the meaning of “reasonably anticipated”
in the Mapother 7(A) analysis, stating that “‘[r]easonably anticipated’ means a ‘concrete
State, 801 F.2d 1386, 1389 (D.C. Cir. 1986)). The Antonelli court did not specify the meaning of
“concrete” in this analysis. It did, however, find that the anticipated proceedings in the case
before it were sufficiently concrete for Exemption 7(A) to apply. The court further found that
the agency’s declaration stating, inter alia, that release “could . . . ‘discourage future witnesses
from cooperating with ATF’” presented a “proper justification” for invoking Exemption 7(A).
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Pursuant to the Court’s Order, DOJ is also submitting two additional declarations
providing support for the invocation of the other applicable exemptions (i.e., other than
Exemption 7(A) and the law enforcement privilege that is incorporated into FOIA via Exemption
5). See Declaration of David J. Barron; Declaration of Ralph S. DiMaio. Because the Court’s
directives regarding supplemental briefing were limited to certain discrete topics, DOJ does not
discuss these declarations here, except to note that the Barron Declaration explains the
applicability of two exemptions that were not discussed in the Bradbury Declaration –
Exemption 2 which protects purely administrative information and the work product privilege
(through Exemption 5) which protects the question outline prepared by the Special Counsel.
While these exemptions should have been asserted in Mr. Bradbury’s declaration, see Maydak v.
United States Dep’t of Justice, 218 F.3d 760 (D.C. Cir. 2000), this inadvertent error does not
prevent the Court from considering them now, see Senate of Puerto Rico v. United States Dep’t
of Justice, 823 F.2d 574, 580-81 (D.C. Cir. 1987) (Ginsburg, Ruth Bader, J.) (affirming District
Court’s consideration of exemption that, while not raised in initial filing, was raised prior to the
District Court’s entry of judgment).
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While Antonelli does not discuss the meaning of the term “concrete,” the recent D.C.
Circuit case of Boyd v. Criminal Division, 475 F.3d 381 (D.C. Cir. 2007), makes it clear that
establishing “concreteness” does not require identification of a particular statute that has been
violated or a particular crime that has been committed. See id. at 386. Rather, there the court
found “sufficient specificity” in the agency’s generalized identification of the targets of the
investigation: “‘individuals . . . to some degree, related [to], controlled [by], or influenced by’”
the plaintiff. Id. (quoting agency declaration) (alterations in original). This suggests that
assistance from senior White House officials, including possibly the President and the Vice
President – that could reasonably be expected to be impeded by release of the documents at issue
here. And, as DOJ’s earlier discussion of Mapother v. Department of Justice, 3 F.3d 1533 (D.C.
DOJ is aware of the following interviews of senior White House officials conducted by
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While DOJ has endeavored to find as many law enforcement interviews of senior White
House officials as possible, we cannot assure the Court that this is a comprehensive list.
Additionally, DOJ has only identified in this public filing those interviewees that the Department
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the FBI. See I Final Report of the Independent Counsel for Iran/Contra Matters, Ch. 28.
National Security Advisor Robert McFarlane was interviewed by the Independent Counsel. See
id. Ch. 1. Former White House Chief of Staff (and then-Attorney General) Edwin Meese III was
interviewed by the Independent Counsel. See id. Ch. 31. White House Counsel C. Boyden Gray
was interviewed by the Independent Counsel. See Walter Pincus, Past Attorney-Client Issue
Resonates, Wash. Post, A3 (June 7, 1997). Former President Reagan was interviewed by the
Independent Counsel in 1992. See I Final Report of the Independent Counsel for Iran/Contra
Former President George H. W. Bush and former Vice President Quayle were
interviewed as part of the investigation into possible access to the passport file of then-Governor
Bill Clinton while he was running for President. See I Final Report of the Independent Counsel
As part of the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster, numerous White House
officials were interviewed, including President Clinton, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton,
White House Chief of Staff Thomas McLarty, Assistants to the President Bruce Lindsey, John
Podesta, Ricki Seidman, and George Stephanopoulos, and former White House Counsel Bernard
Nussbaum. See Report of the Independent Counsel In Re: Vincent W. Foster, Jr., at 3.
Nussbaum was also interviewed as part of the investigation related to the White House Travel
Office. See Report of the Independent Counsel In Re: David Watkins, at 194.
has confirmed have previously been publicly disclosed. If the court requires DOJ to submit a
filing discussing interviews that the Department has not previously made public, the Department
requests the opportunity to do so in camera.
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Associate Counsel to the President William Kennedy III was interviewed as part of the
investigation into the Whitewater land deal. See III Final Report of the Independent Counsel In
The Campaign Finance Task Force interviewed President Clinton, Vice President Gore,
and Senior Presidential Advisor Harold Ickes. See Tenth Report by the Committee on
As part of the investigation that led to the creation of the documents at issue here, Special
Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald interviewed White House officials, including President George W.
Bush, Vice President Cheney, White House of Chief of Staff Andrew Card, National Security
Advisor Condaleeza Rice, Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, Senior Advisor to
the President Karl Rove, Counselor to the President Dan Bartlett, White House Press Secretary
Scott McClellan, and Chief of Staff to the Vice President I. Lewis Libby. See Draft Report of
Opposition Mem.).5
demonstrate that there is a reasonably probability of future instances in which investigators will
want or need to interview such officials. Regarding these interviews, the Department of Justice
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For the vast majority of these interviews, no transcript, FBI 302 report, or similar
summary has been released to the public. The transcript of President Reagan’s 1992 interview is
available to the public at the National Archives and Records Administration. This interview,
which occurred approximately four years after President Reagan left office contains little
information about White House or other governmental activity. FBI 302 reports of the
interviews of President Clinton and Vice President Gore by the Campaign Finance Task Force
were provided to a Congressional committee by the Department of Justice. DOJ does not know
whether these reports were released to the public by Congress. DOJ is not aware of any other
interview transcript or report listed above having been released to the public.
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any event, a prosecutor or other law enforcement investigator has no power to override statutes
such as the Freedom of Information Act and a promise of confidentiality has no bearing on the
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At the June 18 hearing, plaintiff’s counsel indicated that White House Counsel C.
Boyden Gray may have negotiated an agreement with the Independent Counsel. DOJ has no
knowledge of this other than what is contained in the Iran-Contra Independent Counsel Report,
which suggests that Gray attempted to negotiate over privilege rather than confidentiality with
regard to a second interview sought by the Independent Counsel.
According to the Report, Gray and his deputy produced certain documents to the
Independent Counsel subject to an agreement that the act of production did not waive any pre-
existing privileges over the documents. See I Final Report of the Independent Counsel for
Iran/Contra Matters, Ch. 28. This non-waiver agreement provided: “This review will not waive
and will be without prejudice to any privilege against disclosure that may exist with respect to
any of the documents, including the attorney-client privilege.” Id., Ch. 28 n.52. The
Independent Counsel sought to interview Gray, but Gray sought a non-waiver provision
protecting his own as well as President Bush’s privileges. Id., Ch. 28. When the Independent
Counsel refused to agree to these terms, Gray declined to be interviewed. Id.
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CONCLUSION
For the reasons stated above and in DOJ’s prior memoranda, DOJ’s Motion for Summary
TONY WEST
Assistant Attorney General
IAN GERSHENGORN
Deputy Assistant Attorney General
CHANNING D. PHILLIPS
Acting United States Attorney
JOHN TYLER
Assistant Branch Director
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Plaintiff
No. 1:08-cv-01468 (EGS)
V. Hon. Emmet G. Sullivan
Defendant.
1. I am the Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division at the United States
Department of Justice. In this position, I oversee the operations of the Criminal Division, which
develops, enforces, and supervises the application of all federal criminal laws, except those
2. There have been law enforcement investigations by Independent Counsel and the
Department of Justice that have involved obtaining information from high-level White House
officials in nearly every administration since the Johnson Administration. Given this history, the
Department of Justice believes that there is a reasonable probability of future law enforcement
investigations by the Department of Justice that will require and benefit from obtaining
information from White House officials, possibly at the highest level of government.
3. In any such investigation, it will be important that White House officials be able
to provide law enforcement officials with a full account of relevant events. Any such
investigation may delve into or require a full accounting of internal White House deliberations or
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other government operations. Questions may cover, for example, conversations between the
President or Vice President and senior advisors, the decision-making process on specific policy
matters, advice given to the President or direction provided by the President, and internal
discussions relating to White House interactions with other Executive Branch entities and with
Congress. Particularly during the early stages of an investigation, questioning can range over a
wide variety of subjects, many of which may ultimately prove to be unrelated to or without value
to the investigation.
tool, in large part because such interviews allow law enforcement to efficiently gather
information in a non-public setting, very early in an investigation, without the formalities of the
grand jury process. As a general matter, the non-public nature of law enforcement interviews
can be a significant factor in securing the voluntary cooperation of witnesses. Indeed, it is not
uncommon for prosecutors and law enforcement investigators to inform witnesses that, subject to
applicable statutes, regulations and rules, they will attempt to maintain the confidentiality of
cooperation of senior-level White House officials given the public role of such witnesses, the
sensitive nature of the subject matters that may be discussed, the potential politicization of these
sensitive issues, and the possibility that whatever matter is being investigated ultimately may not
In addition, as a general rule, a prosecutor cannot tell a White House official how
long he or she believes an investigation may last, and the official may thus believe that
information provided could become public while the official is still in office. Therefore, if law
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enforcement interviews of the President, Vice President or other senior White House officials
become subject to routine public disclosure, even upon the conclusion of an investigation, there
is an increased likelihood that such officials could feel reluctant to participate in voluntary
interviews or, if they agree to such voluntary interviews, could decline to answer questions on
certain topics.
investigation, well before a grand jury has been convened. Indeed, obtaining such evidence
early in an investigation often assists law enforcement agents in obtaining important background
also help law enforcement investigators determine where to concentrate or focus the
investigation, not only for the collection of evidence, such as documents, but also the most likely
candidates for interview. Indeed, voluntary interviews might obviate the need to convene a
grand jury at all or circumscribe the focus of the grand jury's inquiry. A law enforcement
from senior officials more inclined to provide identifiable leads, name percipient witnesses, offer
credibility assessments of the accuser or other witnesses, and even articulate inferences, insight
investigation could lose these potential benefits if the senior official believes his or her statement
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routine public disclosure, the White House official may agree to talk only in response to a grand
jury subpoena in order to obtain the confidentiality protection of Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules
of Criminal Procedure. Such a decision could impose considerable practical difficulties and
burdens upon investigators and prosecutors that at best could prolong investigations and at worst
interview witnesses in the early stages of an investigation to help focus the investigation and as a
means of predicating document requests. Absent such interviews, prosecutors could have to
confront and choose from several undesirable choices, including: (a) grand jury appearances for
witnesses too early in an investigation, including at a stage when prosecutors are still developing
a factual record to understand the background and basis for the potential criminal allegations,
identifying leads and potential witnesses, predicating documents requests, and conducting other
preliminary, investigative steps normally best left for voluntary interviews; (b) relaying
information developed in the grand jury to law enforcement investigators to pursue identifiable
leads or predicate document requests without the benefit of the investigators having obtained that
information first-hand; (c) multiple grand jury appearances for some witnesses as the
investigation uncovers relevant documents and conducts other grand jury sessions in order to
correct or refine previously sworn testimony; and (d) grand jury appearances for other witnesses
who simply have no information relevant to the allegations being investigated; or, alternatively,
(e) delaying the grand jury appearances of all witnesses to some later, undefined phase of the
investigation in order to prevent the creation of unproductive, potentially inaccurate grand jury
testimony. All of these choices are unproductive and inefficient, and impose burdens,
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inconveniences and stretches of unavailability on senior officials who may have pressing
In addition, forcing White House officials to be brought before grand juries could
have the effect of injecting the law enforcement investigation itself into the political process,
which could intrude upon government operations at the highest level of government, and which
could risk the perception that the investigation itself was political, thus undermining public faith
in the impartiality of the judicial system. Baseless, partisan allegations that, easily could be
investigated and dismissed through voluntary interviews now may have to be investigated
through the specter of the grand jury process. In addition, if law enforcement interviews are
routinely subject to public disclosure, there could be a significant risk of politicization of law
enforcement files and investigations, which could undermine the integrity and effectiveness of,
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed ( 2009.
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Defendant.
INTRODUCTION
~ Executive Order $2958 was amended by Executive Order 13292. See Exec. Order
No. 13,292, 68 Fed. Reg, 1~,315 (Mar. 28, 2003). All citations to Executive
Order 12958 are to the Order as amended by Executive Order 13292. See
Exec, Order No. 12,958, 60 Fed. Reg. 19,025 (Apr~ 20, 1995), reprinted as
amend÷d in Z0 U.g.C.A. ~ 435 note at 193 (West Supp. 2008).
!I.IL. 1.2(;<)9 <,27P~/ \10. 2,941~F’. 5
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I~v asserts FOIA exemptions (b) (1) and (b) [3) (hereinafter
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Exemptions 1 and 3.
A. ~ence Sources
from around the world that the President and other government
must be certain the CIA can and will do everything in its power
CIA.
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an intelligence source.
against terrorism.
country.
security.
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Bo Intelli~ence Methods
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itself.
the method. Moreover, the actual damage and loss to the United
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States from the loss of the intelligence method is not only the
information.
A. FOIA Exem_m_m_m_m_m_m_m_m_m~ion 1
Order.,,~
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~ Exec. Order No. 12,958, 60 Fed. Reg. 19,825 {Apr. 20, 199~), re~rinted as
amended in 50 U.S.C.A, ~ 435 note at ~93 (West Supp. 2008) .
~ Id.
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~ Id.
~ See id
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~ See id~
~ Se__~e Presidential Order of April 21, 2005, Designation under Executive Order
1295~, 70 Fed. Reg. 21,609 (Apr. 26, 2005), reprinted in 50 U.S.C. ~ 435 note
(S~lpp. v 200S) . Similarly, the Presidential Order of 13 October 1995
designates the Director of the C~A a~ an official authorized to claesify
information originally as TOP SECRET. See Presidential Order o£ Oct. 13,
1995, 60 Fed. Reg. 53,8~15 (Oct. 17, 1995), reprinted in 50 U.S.C. ~ .125 note
(2000).
~0 Exec. order No. 12,958, 60 Fed. Reg. 19,825 (Apr. 20, 1995), reprinted a~
aniended ~n 50 U.S.C.A. S 435 note at 193 (west Supp. 2009).
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5. Proper Purpose
6. Marking
7. Proper Classific~tion
this case:
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16, and 17 of the FBI Interview Report and pages 5, 12, and 13
B. FOIA Exem~
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CIA Act.
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63. The CIA redacted the name of CIA employees from pages
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16, and 17 of the FBI Interview Report and pages 5, 12, and 13
SEGREGABILITY
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Ralph DiMaio
Information Review Officer
Nation~l Cl~n~estine set zce
Central Intelligence Agency
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