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×òî òàêîå ñâàìøà?

This is a great question. I have not read a precise definition to date.
By precise, I mean one that is clear and completely unambiguous. Allow me
to query the example from my chart.
D-1 D-9
Lagna Taurus(with Jup(AK) and Rahu) Taurus
AL Virgo (empty; MerR in Pi) Virgo (with AK and Mer)
KL Virgo (naturally per above)
Illustrating Swamsha with the above example would be a good exercise to
support the definition and will be very much appreciated. Thanks.
Best Regards,
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Amsa means "division" and refers to the position in a divisional charts - navams
a usually. So lagnamsa is the position of lagna in navamsa. Karakamsa is the pos
ition of atma karaka (variable significator of self) in navamsa. Atma karaka is
the planet (out of seven planets and Rahu) with the largest advancement in the r
asi occupied. For Rahu, advancement is measured from the end of the sign. Let us
take an example.
Àìøà îçíà÷àåò "ðàçäåëåíèå" è îòíîñèò ê ïîëîæåíèþ â äðîáíûõ êàðòàõ - Íàâàìøè îáû÷íî. Òàê Ëàã
Body Longitude
Lagna 7 Aq 26' 00.69"
Sun 26 Aq 02' 48.83"
Moon 3 Ge 51' 59.65"
Mars 1 Ta 53' 19.80"
Mercury 16 Aq 32' 56.39"
Jupiter (R) 4 Vi 37' 58.82"
Venus 17 Aq 04' 18.34"
Saturn 20 Sc 54' 58.50"
Rahu 29 Li 52' 33.46"
Ketu 29 Ar 52' 33.46"
If you look at the advancement in rasi, Sun has 26 deg 3 min. Moon has 3 deg 52
min. Though Rahu is at 29Li52, his advancement (from the end) is only 8 minutes
(30-0 minus 29-52). of the eight planets, Sun has the largest advancement and be
comes atma karaka (AK).
Let us take this native's navamsa:
+-----------------------------------------------+
|Ven |AL |Sun |Rah Glk |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|
|Mer JupR | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
|-----------| Navamsa |-----------|
|Mar Sat | |GL |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|
|Asc Ket |Moo | |HL Mnd |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
+-----------------------------------------------+
Navamsa
+-----------------------------------------------+
| \ Sat / \ / |
| \ Mar / \ Moo / |
| \ / \ / |
| \ / Ket \ / |
| \ / \ / |
|Mer JupR x Asc x |
| / \ / \ |
| / \ / \ |
| / \ / \ |
| / \ 9 / Mnd \ |
| / \ / \ |
| Ven x HL |
| \ / \ / |
| \ / \ / |
| \ / \ / |
| \ / Glk \ / |
| \ / \ / |
|AL x Rah x GL |
| / \ / \ |
| / \ / \ |
| / \ / \ |
| / Sun \ / \ |
| / \ / \ |
+-----------------------------------------------+
+-----------------------------------------------+
| \ | | / |
| \ | AL | / |
| \ | | / |
| Rah \ Sun | | Ven / Mer |
| \ | | / |
| Glk \ | | / JupR |
| \ | | / |
|---------------+---------------+---------------|
| | | |
| | | Mar Sat |
| | | |
| | Navamsa | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
|---------------+---------------+---------------|
| / | | \ |
| / | | \ Ket |
| / | | \ |
| GL / HL | | Moo \ Asc |
| / | | \ |
| / Mnd | | \ |
| / | | \ |
+---------------+---------------+---------------+
In navamsa, lagna is in Sg. So Sg becomes lagnamsa. AK in this chart is Sun and
he is in Ta in navamsa. So karakamsa is in Ta.
Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either lagna or atma karaka. So swamsa
refers the position of either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa. Parasara used "swa
msa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa here is in Sg or Ta, depending o
n what we mean.
What do they both show?
Navamsa shows the inner self, sense of dharma (duty) and motivation. It shows at
titudes. Analysis of navamsa w.r.t. lagnamsa shows the motivation and attitudes
of the person. Analysis of navamsa w.r.t. karakamsa shows the motivation and att
itudes of the soul that's inside a person. If the person is acting against the w
ishes of the soul, it leads to inner turmoil and results in a life that is waste
d (soul has to take birth again and *start from scratch* to fulfill its desires)
. If lagnamsa and karakamsa are in mutual shashthashtakas (6th/8th positions), t
his happens.
Íàâàìøà ïîêàçûâàåò âíóòðåííèé ñàì, ñìûñë Äõàðìû (îáÿçàííîñòü) è ïîáóæäåíèå. Ýòî ïîêàçûâàåò
In the above example chart, this happens. So the native leads a miserable and wa
steful life (from the point of view of soul).
Analysis from Karakamsa:
Jupiter and Mercury in the 10th house of karma show a soul that wants to be lear
ned and scholarly in traditional subjects and put the learning to the use of soc
iety. Malefics Saturn and Mars in 9th show a soul that wants knowledge of tantra
s, yantras and taamasik rituals. Exalted Ketu in 8th from karakamsa shows desire
of the soul for occult knowledge.
Analysis from Lagnamsa:
Ketu in 1st shows a spiritual person or a revolutionary/thief. Here, in this nav
amsa, Ketu is in Rakshasa (demonic) group. So Ketu in lagnamsa shows a thief or
a terrorist. Exalted 6th lord shows strong sense of enmity. Saturn and Mars in M
anushya (human) group in 2nd from lagnamsa show a person who cannot speak fluent
ly (may have some kind of stammering - Ketu in 2nd gives full stammering). Mercu
ry and Jupiter in 3rd show an author and a soft-spoken person.
As you can see, what his soul wants is different from what he is doing. Without
the soul being happy, one cannot have complete success. Finally the life will go
waste and the soul will start from scratch in the next life.
May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha
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Hi Narasimha, I liked your post. One thing extra though, could you explain furt
her regarding the 6/8 relationship and happiness when it comes to Gem/Cap, Lib/T
au and Aqu/Vir? In those 6/8 relationships the trine lords are the same, does t
hat matter any, and then could you explain why or why not? Thanks, Angie
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Dear Doug,
I apologize for using the sanskrit nomenclature. "Swamsa" is a term used by Para
sar and Jaimini in their respective works.
"Swa" means 'self', or 'own'; and in regards to the D-1 Rasi chart refers to the
ascending house. "amsa" means divisional chart, most commonly referring to the
D-9 Navamsa chart.
So the first meaning is the D-9 navamsa position of the ascending house, which i
s the same as the lagna in the navamsa.
Secondarily "swa" refers to the chara Atmakaraka (AK). This is the planet with t
he highest degrees within a sign. This also represents the self. So this planet'
s position in navamsa is also referred to as Swamsa.
However Parasar makes distinctions in his chapter 33 of BPHS on Swamsa, between
the terms Swamsa and Karakamsa. "Karaka" refers to the "chara (moving) karaka" (
Atmakaraka/AK). For this reason, when karakamsa is mentioned it refers only to t
he navamsa position of the AK.
The way that the chapter is written, it appears that when Parasar mentions Swams
a he intends it to be seen from the navamsa lagna (lagnamsa), as well as the kar
akamsa.
If you have Brihat Parasar Hora Sastra, please read this chapter, as it is very
informative. The same combinations can be applied to the houses from Arudha Lagn
a (AL) and the rasi lagna itself.
warm regards,
Alex J
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Dear Doug & Sanjiv,
Sanjiv's chart makes a good example. Swamsa means the navamsa ascendant. Looking
at the trines from Navamsa ascendant we have only Mercury and Jupiter in the 5t
h indicating the natural abilities and learning interests.
Jupiter and Mercury are both strong, as one is exalted and the other is Atmakara
ka. In the intellectual sign of Virgo, they give thourough learning of religious
subjects and astrology, as Jupiter and Mercury are karakas of those. Jupiter he
re with Mercury also gives proficiency in many branches of learning.
Mercury can also give knowledge of commerce or trade here, as Virgo is a commerc
ial sign, as are the ascending signs. However Jupiter is the atmakarka in the 5t
h house, showing that divination of the future, and religion is the soul's desir
e.
As the Atmakaraka is in the 5th house, the Karakamsa ascendant is Virgo, possess
ing those same planets, thereby indicating the same interests, but in this case
the soul's inclinations. Happily there is a confluence, so there is no clash bet
ween the soul and present incarnation.
Arudha Lagna was also given, as the same combinations recommended to be looked a
t from Swamsa apply from here as well. Jupiter is in the 9th house, and Mercury
owns the AL, going into Jupiter's sign, showing the same relationship and abilit
ies/interests. Rahu also is in the 9th, which according to Parasar gives astrolo
gical abilities as well.
hope this helps,
Alex J
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Dear All
Does Ketu has to be in karakamsa or its aspects will also make one to incline to
wards jyotish?
Êåòó äîëæåí áûòü â karakamsa, èëè åãî àñïåêòû áóäóò òàêæå äåëàòü, ÷òîáû ÷óâñòâîâàòü ñêëîííî
Thanks and with best regards
L Brahma
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Thanks, Doug; I too thought that my chart made good sense:-) (I did not add an
additional parameter whereby the chandra Lagna is also vargottam...)
I appreciate your analysis. My concern, however, was more to establish a precis
e definition.... If we look at the definition Narasimha provided:
"Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either lagna or atma karaka. So swamsa
refers the position of either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa. Parasara used "sw
amsa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa here is in Sg or Ta, depending
on what we mean."
it clearly shows the controversy -- this is a flexible definition. Some other b
ooks try to clarify this confusion by stating Swamsa is the stronger of the two
Lagnamsa and Karakamsa; if we look at the planets posited in the signs it is cle
ar that Vi becomes the Swamsa in my chart. Then, it is easy to apply formulas l
ike 5th from Swamsa or 10th from Swamsa... but otherwise.....
It would be better if authors stop referring to Swamsa and clearly define what t
hey mean i.e. Lagnamsa or Karkamsa.
Best Regards,
SA
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Om Gurave Namah
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Dear Sanjiv, Doug & Alex,
I have a few comments on this and have included them under relevant extracts
of your mail:
> "Swa simply means "self" and may refer to either lagna or atma karaka. So
> swamsa refers the position of either lagna or atmakaraka in navamsa.
> Parasara used "swamsa" for both lagnamsa and karakamsa. So swamsa here is
> in Sg or Ta, depending on what we mean."
Rath: That is the explanation from 'Maharishi Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra'. In fact
Maharishi has given a far more elaborate definition which I have given with exam
ples of use. The point of a more clearly defined term does not arise as swamsa i
s by itself a very broad term and has been correctly used by Jaimini to spell ou
t the principles as well as their universal applicablity.

> it clearly shows the controversy -- this is a flexible definition. Some

> other books try to clarify this confusion by stating Swamsa is the
stronger
> of the two Lagnamsa and Karakamsa; if we look at the planets posited in
the
> signs it is clear that Vi becomes the Swamsa in my chart. Then, it is
easy
> to apply formulas like 5th from Swamsa or 10th from Swamsa... but
> otherwise.....
Rath: There is no such definition as stronger of the two. Both exist and this ha
s been explained in my book. One is the Souls desire (Karakamsa) and the other i
s the Lagnas ability (Lagnamsa). If there is a fine blending of the two, then th
e achievements are fantastic. Alex has given a very good and thorough reading.
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