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HOW ACCIDENTALLY EATING A
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BY SHEREL PURCELL SHARE

Rushing through No Frills at Coxwell and

Gerrard on an empty stomach, I grab a chocolate
bar from a two-for-$1 bin.

Before I know it, the bar’s gone. I hold onto the

wrapper for the cashier and finish my shopping. Outside, as I unload my FROM THE ARCHIVES

groceries into the car, a young man approaches and asks about the candy. Lou Reed
Barometer

For a moment I’m not sure who he is or what he’s talking about, and then I POLITICS

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and show him $143. My grocery receipt totals $36.43. He seems convinced
I had no intention of stealing the candy, as do the police when they arrive
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The young officers are mystified by the absence of evidence. One smirks
when I say I’ve eaten it. They ask about memory problems, then call in my
driver’s licence before letting me go.
Once again I try to pay for the candy, but instead the loss prevention officer
presents me with a form that he asks me to sign. It says I will not set foot
on the premises, or any other properties owned by Loblaw, for six months.
It also says the retailer has the right to seek damages for lost merchandise
and security costs. Eager to get out of the store, I sign.
Outside, I discover that my car has been towed. The police offer me a ride
to the pound, where one of them takes pity on me and asks the clerk to
cancel the towing fee. He reduces it by half, which, coupled with the ticket,
still costs $93. But my nightmare doesn’t end there.
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Two months later, I receive a letter from Roy Dullege, a lawyer

representing Loblaw, seeking $500.05 in "civil damages."
 representing Loblaw, seeking $500.05 in "civil damages."

Dullege’s letter warns that if payment is not made by the due date, "I will
take specific instructions to commence legal proceedings against you before
a civil court for all damages, plus interest, legal expenses and other
administrative costs incurred by the retailer in connection with this
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According to Dullege, it’s all legal. "The claiming of civil damages was
affirmed by the Ontario Divisional Court in Hudson’s Bay v White," his
letter says, while adding that "experience indicates that pursuing shoplifters
for such losses reduces the number of shoplifting incidents, resulting in
savings which can be passed on to consumers."

But lawyers I talk to differ with Dullege. They say the letters amount to
intimidation and cite as proof another court decision by a Manitoba judge
in favour of a Winnipeg mother who won back the $225 in civil recovery
"damages" she paid to Zellers after her son got caught shoplifting $59.95
worth of recovered merchandise. The judge in that case opined that the
practice of civil recovery amounts to "unjustified enrichment."

"Civil recovery letters are an example of legal strong-arming," says Sil

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For food retailers, it’s a cloesly guarded secret how much money they
"recover" through civil recovery.

Neither Dominion nor Loblaw would divulge those figures when I asked.
Nor would they say how many civil recovery letters they’ve issued in recent
years. Typically, about $200 of each $300 claim goes to the store, the other
$100 to the company hired to actually recover the "damages" owing.

A&P spokesperson Tammy Smitham says it sends out recovery letters

regardless of the amount of the alleged theft or whether charges have been
laid.

Loblaw keeps a tighter lid on its practices. Spokesperson Jeff Wilson

declined to respond to questions sent by e-mail about the food chain’s use
of civil recovery.

A letter from Loblaw Companies Ltd. vice-president and legal counsel

Michael Kimber related to my case makes no apologies for Loblaws
charging me $500 for a 50-cent chocolate bar that had already cost me
$93.

"Shoptheft costs our company and the Canadian economy hundreds of

millions of dollars annually," Kimber writes. "I trust that you can imagine if
you were sitting in our place that everyone has an excuse for what they did,
saying they did not mean to, they were forgetful, etc.... Intention is only in
the mind, and we cannot be the judge of this, however... we were fully
the mind, and we cannot be the judge of this, however... we were fully
within our rights to do what we did, and I know other retailers take the
exact same position."

Loblaw eventually waived its claim against me after I complained loudly in

a letter to company head Galen Weston. Others aren’t so lucky.

"Too many vulnerable people are getting these letters," says Stewart
Cruikshank of East Toronto Community Legal Services. "Paying the
settlement amount can mean not paying the rent or buying groceries."

More legal questions arise when one considers that civil recovery letters are
sent out in many cases where there are no criminal charges.

"There is a presumption of guilt where none has been proven," says

Salvatarra. "A mistake does not constitute criminal intent."

Adds Karen Andrews of Rexdale Community Legal Clinic, "It’s easier for
retailers to send out these letters. People may actually pay out of fear."

Indeed, none of the legal aid lawyers I speak to can recall a case where an
accused who has refused to pay civil recovery "damages" has been taken to
in court in the last eight years.

That may be because the average $325 retailers are demanding in civil
recovery seems excessive, especially in cases where the merchandise is
recovered.

Says Cruikshank, "There seems to be no correlation between the value of

merchandise involved and the amount requested for settlement. People are
being picked up for the smallest things."

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POSTED BY MAMABEAR ON 05/13/2009, 04:34 PM

Anonymous said...

HI on Mothers day I won a $500 gift certificate to spend anywhere in place d Orleans in
Ottawa. I shopped spending everything but $50.00 which I gave to my hubby. When I got
home there were a couple of things that didn't fit so I returned them and in exchange was
given another Zellers only gift card. Ok Cool Zellers is just up the street so I took it. A few
days later I was in the store with my daughter who just turned 1 in April and looked for those
baskets so I could put it on my stroller but there was none. I walked around doing my
shopping all the while taking my items and putting them on my stroller as I can't steer and
hang on to stuff or push a cart and stroller at the same time. Not once did anyone say
anything to me or ask me if I needed help. I was in the store no less than a half hour when I
went into the baby section and my daughter seen her cookies and freaked. I gave her the
cookies to calm her (in the box of course) no luck and figure fuck this lets get outta here she
probably needs a snack and then a nap. So I walk to the cash while she is standing up (she is
tiny and damn Zellers strollers I can't make it tighter)grabbing things off shelves and throwing
them all the while trying to calm her down. A nice gentleman sees I am having problems and
she is just getting louder despite my attempts to calm her and lets me go ahead even though
he just has a mirror in his cart. So I rush through taking things off the stroller and paying. I use
my gift card to pay. I leave the store and go to pull up beside the doors and pour some juice
to calm her when a woman who looks like a crack head (very common in my area -Vanier in
Ottawa Ontario) says excuse me so I say yes and she says did you forget to pay for
something?? I answer well maybe my daughter just threw a fit and I was trying to calm her
when the lady was ringing up my purchases (figuring maybe they missed something) and
telling her she could check if she would like. Her reply WAS NO YOU CHECK THE CANOPY
OF YOUR STROLLER very loud and rudely. So I lift it and there is a pair of sunglasses I
remember looking at glasses but not selecting a pair or anything and explain I was a little
preoccupied. She asks me to return to the store so I say ok and follow her in while she keeps
saying go to the back go to the back. When we get to the back room, a small little office with
monitors she leaves the door wide open and says that I am under arrest for shoplifting and
asks for id. I have nothing but the lease I just signed for my new place so she calls the police.
Then tells me it was on video and the first thing I looked at. I say ok and again explain the
situation again. So the police arrive a 1/2 hour later (the whole time my daughter is freaking)
and I figure good I didn't do anything wrong they'll look at the tape realize it was a mistake (I
should have double checked my stupidity) give me a warning and let me go but no way.
Instead the officer asks for my side I give it and ask him to watch the tape he leaves (I
assumed at this point to ask to see this tape she said she had) and then comes back and
says he is not watching the tape because due to the fact that it was a gift certificate he thinks I
was after the glasses. That's when I get mad and tell him it doesn't matter what he thinks it is
what this tape shows and they tell me I have to go outside and get a fine. I tell look I have
been pleasant but I am not walking through the store escorted by police with my child I WANT
A LAWYER. They then tell me I have to be charged and brought in cuffs downtown for that to
happen, do you really want that mam? I say no and follow as everyone watches me through
the store.While waiting at the car a fight breaks out with a bunch of teens in the parking lot
and the police leave me waiting at the car tackle on guy who tries to flee cuff him and bring
him to wait right behind me and my child. I take the fine fuming by this point buddy already
resisted once whats to stop him from trying right behind me and my child. So I go home to call
professional standards and I am told:

Because I was fined and not charged they do not need proof

The only way to fight them is through the city of Ottawa like a parking ticket but searches by
police on my name will show this.

there is nothing wrong with the way this was handled by any party.

I even called a lawyer and got the same response.

I used to tell my kids if you did nothing wrong stay calm and explain yourself but now I tell em
cal Mommy and shut your mouth.

Sad Sad Sad and scary criminals have more rights than normal citizen if they charged me the
law requires proof of intent and crime but because I was given a fine (because I have a clean
record supposedly) I do not have these same rights. Now I am banned and was told a bill will
be in the mail. All for a $10.00 pair of glasses. Oh yeah I also asked for MS. Securities name
and was provided with just a #.

If all the info I got is correct this should be fixed EVERYONE should be able to plead their
case and be able to examine proof against them or retain legal counsel if they are a criminal or
not!!!!!

POSTED BY CHRISTINE DAHMER ON 12/19/2009, 11:09 AM

My friend, who's daughter was caught shoplifting at Zehrs, also received a letter from this
lawyer, Dullege, demanding $900 for damages Zehrs apparently suffered. The product stolen,
hair dye, was returned to the store. My friend was going to pay this amount, however,
thankfully she mentioned it to me. I have been working in civil litigation for over 20 years and
knew Zehrs had to prove their damages. So I wrote a letter to Mr. Dullege asking for his
damage documents to prove his claim. Insterestingly, I did not receive a response from him.

If anyone recieves one of these letters, DO NOT PAY. It's not worth a lawyer's time to go after
you for payment, it's too expensive. Just write a letter asking for the damage documents, and I
bet you won't hear from him again.

POSTED BY SEAN JASON ON 02/16/2010, 03:35 AM

Retailers have a right to defend themselves. After all expenses a retailer only makes $0.01-
$0.04 on every dollar it sells. It is unfortunate for the few people who forget to pay but most
people stole on purpose and need to pay for there criminal activity. Aside from the large
corporate chains, most stores in Canada are Independent, franchise and co-op owned. When
you take "just a few" or "once and a while" you are taking from a family. People that own these
stores often lose more money in theft than they actually take home in salary! You dont have to
believe me but I have been working in retail for many years and I know all these things from
experience. How would you feel if some of your neighbours took just one flower out of your
garden, or came in and stole just one of your kids toys? After 20 or 30 people do this you dont
have much left to work with and you need to spend your own money to replace the items. This
is the same with retailers! Stop stealing and all the "strongarming" will stop.

POSTED BY MB BROOKER ON 02/16/2010, 08:56 AM

Strong arm tactics by retailers are not uncommon. If you made a mistake, then that is what it
is...a mistake. You should be given the opportunity to pay for the item and be on your way.
Threatening letters from some Corporate shill of a mouthpiece will be ignored. The retailer in
question was given every opportunity to recieve payment on the item when the mistake was
discovered. If they do not take that opportunity, it is their loss.

POSTED BY CHALET ON 03/24/2010, 12:50 PM

Sean, with all due respect, you have completely forgotten the same legal system that often
convicts these shoplifters. This same legal system requires that such claims be proven by the
retail establishment. It must prove its damages before any strongarming is legitimate -
therefore, it is illegitimate. This means that, they are opening themselves up to liability if they
do take money. The retailers have the right to demand payment, but they have absolutely no
legal right to receive it - unless they are successful in court and a judgment is in their favour.
Given that they would probably have a difficult time proving damages to that extent (they could
neither use the loss prevention staff salaries/pay as an expense, nor could they claim the cost
of prosecution given that it is done on their behalf by the Crown), AND given that the amount is
too small to make filing suit fiscally responsible, I highly doubt they will go through the trouble.
So, they do not have proven damages, and no goods/services have been exchanged to
warrant the claim. Therefore, their claim is unsubstantiated/illegitimate, and if they've already
received monies and are in exchange taken to court by the shoplifter/shoplifter's guardians to
recoup what they did pay, as we can see in case law, unjust enrichment is a very possible
outcome. Two wrongs (shoplifting and strongarming) to not make a right.

POSTED BY STEPHANIE ON 03/29/2010, 06:08 PM

Has anyone ever known anyone that has actually gone to civil court as a result of not paying
these "mobsters" and being threatened by their letters!! What ever happened to the 'washing
dishes' theory? What has our system turned into?

POSTED BY HEGOTCAUGHT ON 04/23/2010, 09:38 AM

If anyone gets a letter from Patrick Greco (a lawyer at Miller Thomson in Toronto)who
demands money on behalf of the Hudson Bay, look where he asks you to send the money. go
to canada 411 and type in his name and P. BOx 193 Streetsville Ontario L5M 2B8. It comes
up as 667 Dinsmore Crt in Mississauga. It is a house. go to google maps and enter the
address..it is a house and go to "streetview" and you will see it a map. Also, the postpage paid
envelope he sends has a bar code. the Postal code belongs to him...the same house...FISHY.
The envelope from Miller Thomson actually has postage meter stamp(in red) and shows a
mississauga postal code of L5N 1A6. A large law firm will have it's own meter and it will be
from Miller Thomson's postal code of M5H 3S1...something fishy going on here.

Why would the Bay ask for money sent to a Po.O box belonging to a house? BEWARE of
Patrick Greco

POSTED BY TRAVESTY ON 06/07/2010, 12:03 PM

So glad I found this page here's my experience.. Let me preface this by just saying, and I'm
not bragging, just trying to let you know more about me as it pertains to my story, and I just
feel like it would be nice to get my side of the story out.. since no one would even really let me
explain things.

I've never had ANY legal troubles in my life. Sure when I was younger I had an authority
problem, but mainly it was with my parents, the trouble I got into was your typical teenager
rebellion crap... breaking curfews, drinking/smoking not taking school serious enough etc..
which I'm sure I'll be paid back in full once my kid hits the teen years. Now I'm a mini van
driving mother of a young child. I've never gotten so much as a parking or speeding ticket. I
have gone to college and have a good paying career, as does my husband. We are by no
means considered upper class prob just lower/middle but we are fortunate to own our home
and vehicles outright. We are debt free, thanks to my very responsible husband.But due to our
paying all bills/cc's on time it doesn't leave us with a lot of extra $ so we try to live within our
means.

I've had to have many police checks done over the years for things like volunteering, work
related (I work with children) and then lastly because we adopted our child through children's
aid and it's required. They all came back clean.

I was at Zellers about a month ago shopping for a couple of DVD's on my way back to that
section I saw their large selection of sunglasses. I spent prob about ten minutes trying them on
and finding something I really liked.I came in the store with a pair of my own sunglasses but
while I was trying on all the others mine were getting in the way, so I folded them over the
strap of my purse that hangs by my hip. I proceeded to search through the glasses.. There
was no tag of course on the pair I liked but I knew they were only either 9.95 or 14.95 as the
rack said. I took the pair I decided on and held them in my hand. I didn't have a cart as I knew
I was only getting the DVD's. So back I went spent a long time finally finding the movies
(present for my neices bday) walked around a bit in the bedding aisle before making my way
to the til. Now this is where I made my mistake.. I had to still go to the bank, get groceries and
realized I spent way too long in Zellers so I hurried up to the till. In my scattered brain I had
forgotten about asking about the sunglasses and was still holding them in my hand. It was like
I had just forgotten they weren't my own pair I came in with as I often hold them in my hand
when doing things, cuz when folded over my strap they eventually fall off after bouncing on my
hip after a while,so putting them there isn't my normal action if that makes sense. ok so there I
am paying for my videos, not trying to conceal the glasses in anyway. I tell the girl I don't need
a bag and I go on my way. Well I no sooner get out the front door and this guy comes up
flashing some badge thing to me and telling me he's loss prevention. At frist I thought I had
won something ironically LOL So he is very brisk at ordering me around to go into his office.. I
immediately think oh its cuz I dont have these videos in a bag so I try to explain but he has no
interest in wanting to see the receipt and continues to corral me into the back of the store. I'm
thinking ok this will be a pain but he'll feel like an ass when he realizes so I go with it. once in
the office he locks the door and says now please put the unpaid for sunglasses on the desk!
It's then and there I realize my mistake and start apologizing for my stupidity and try to
explain.. again.. he wouuldn't listen.. called the police and told me I was being detained for
shoplifted!! He said he saw me rip the tag off, to which I got upset and asked to see the
footage of that cuz there was NO WAY I did that. Of course he ignored that plea, and went on
to ask me my height and weight and to see my drivers licence. He wanted to know of intent so
asked me to show how much cash I had on. I showed him I had 65. dollars in cash, plus my
cc and my two debit cards, and reminded him I had just spent over 30 dollars on movies there.
I felt like I was in a dream.. it was very scary at moments feeling like I wasn't being heard or
believed.

Anyway long story, not shortened much (sorry) police never charged me.. they said cuz of my
clean record I could enter a therapy group thing for the cost of 125.00 and be on my way BUT
if I declined I'd have a charge that I could fight in court but if I lost it would surely show up on
my record in the future. That freaked me out, so I went with the stupid group thing. The officer
was very friendly unlike the Zellers creep. I was asked to sign two papers, one saying I
couldn't return to the store for a year.. I obliged since it was the last place I'd want to shop
after how I was treated, but I refused to sign the other that said I admitted to taking the
merchandise and informed me Zellers could take civil action if they so decided.

Well of course they decided to and I just recieved my letter from Mr. Greco saying I owe 500.
dollars for damages!! oh and that I have two weeks to pay it before they take action. I'm so
pissed.

POSTED BY HEGOTCAUGHT ON 06/24/2010, 11:59 AM

do your research on Postage paid envelopes and postage meter stamp(on letter from Miller
Thomson law firm). The meter reads that it is sent from Mississauga streetsville) and do google
maps and canada 411 research. It leads to 667 Dinsmore court in Mississauga house
belonging to P. Greco. all the other addresses are not in Mississauga. Just go to aerial and
streetview on google map and i could see the house numbers of house nest to 667 dinsmore
Court. Really, do your research. Check out Osgoode Law school information about these civil
recovery letters and you will find out more info tha you are not LEGALLY required to pay this
demand letter. There is a lot of info regarding this info and this guy Patrick Greco. He is
running this CIVIL RECOVERY out of his house in Mississauga.I also noticed that someone
else called Patrick Martin who has an office on don Mills road and is a lawyer asks people to
send cheque/money order to the same address of P.O. box 193 Streetsville Ontario...the same
address as what Patrick Greco asks.

POSTED BY WWWW ON 08/04/2010, 04:54 PM

So can anyone let me know if they ignored the letter demanding money and either got taken to
court or nothing happened? Or have tried sending the letter asking for the damage
documents? I am in a similar situation to travesty and would really appreciate some advice

POSTED BY CAUGHTSTEALING ON 09/29/2010, 01:15 PM

has anyone received a second demand letter that says "FINAL NOTICE". and that if they don't
pay by a certain date, "the plaintiff reserves the right to proceed to court and to the extent
available, commence such additional collection procedures as are permitted by law.". Did
anyone not pay the amount on the final notice and were taken to court? Please let people find
out.

thanks

POSTED BY ANGIE ON 10/08/2010, 04:53 AM

My 18 year old son received a letter from Patrick Greco demanding a payment of $500.00 on
behalf of Zellers. He was accused of stealing from Zellers. The police were called and he was
thoroughly searched and nothing was found on him. He was even roughed up by the mall
security. This is fishy.

POSTED BY JUSTAMISTAKE ON 10/08/2010, 09:13 PM

do your research on this guy Patrick Greco. funny, he's probably reading all this I bet you.
Well, if you are, think of who the real "thief" is. Your momma must be real proud.

also, YOu're sending letters from your house, but of course cheques are made to "civil
recovery". they might as well be made out to your name but of course you wouldn't do that.
Oh, also, I love how Patrick Greco's "signature" is a stamped one. Each letter is not
individually signed...cos' he's so busy sending so many out and receiving easy $500 or $600
(nice even number to do the math)..I'm wondering if he reports this to Revenue Canada.
People, read up on all about him. don't just send the money right away or if you feel that it is
fishy, do more research. also, anyone can buy a postage meter..it's useful when you send out
lots of letters....don't want to get a cut licking stamps now do you Patrick. (i worked in a law
office and I know how to use a postage meter too).

Shame on you Patrick...I'm sure you will be "rewarded" in the "afterlife"

POSTED BY ANOTHER BOATLOAD ON 10/09/2010, 01:27 PM

I guess you shouldn't have STOLEN that chocolate bar, huh?

POSTED BY JUSTAMISTAKE ON 10/11/2010, 09:58 AM

To Angie,

sounds like they were looking for easy target. I would look into that and also for roughing up
your son.. that I would definitely consult your lawyer about and demand money from them for
that..a counter claim. Sounds very FISHY to me too. from what I've read and researched, they
the loss prevention seen to target minorities and especially female minorities. I'm thinking also
that they deliberately "SET UP" items and situations for people to steal so they can get a cut
of the easy money of $500 or more that this young lawyer is asking for (which has nothing to
do with administrative costs really). It's an easy number to do multiplication..hmmm $500 times
100 shoplifters who pay...easy to do math and easy to get.

think about it... talk to others.. someone suggested on another site,...CLASS ACTION LAW
SUIT. we should get him disbarred. called to the bar in 2004...guess he wants to retire early.

Think I'll start a business and send out lots of letters and buy myself a postage meter and
postage paid envelopes (look that up online too people). the bar code on the postage paid
envelope belongs to the owner. researched that. Of course i wouldn't do that...that was a joke.

POSTED BY WAVY ON 10/11/2010, 10:31 AM

Sherel you stole. Regardless of whether or not you intended to steal, you stole.

You're guilty.

Pay your fine like a big girl. Next time pay more attention to what you're doing.

Serves you right for eating a chocolate bar anyway.

POSTED BY JUSTAMISTAKE ON 10/13/2010, 11:52 AM

 Lots of info regarding Patrick Greco AND Patrick Martin. If you go to Google.com, then type in
"civil recovery firms in Mississauga, On" then click on 'BBB review of Civil Recovery in
Mississauga, ON, it comes up on the report as Civil Recovery, P.O. Box 193 Mississauga On,
L5M 2B8. NOW HERE COMES THE INTERESTING PART. this business Principal is Patrick
Martin, who also has an office on 1370 don mills road suite 300 like everyone is talking about.
This P. O box 193 address in Mississauga is also where Patrick Martin asks you to send your
cheque/money order for the fine. However, on Canada 411, this address comes up as house
at 667 Dinsmore court belonging to Patrick Greco. (do google maps...street view and aerial
view). This BBB file was opened on July 2010 by BBB(better business bureau).CIVIL
RECOVERY has a "C" rating. read the reason for it.

I THINK THESE TWO YOUNG LAWYERS ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE QUICK
EASY BUCKS and uttering threats by letters (written word). Lets put an end to their bullying
and uttering threats and taking advantage of their legal powers. someone report them please
or if you know someone in the legal field, please let others be aware.

POSTED BY JUSTAMISTAKE ON 10/15/2010, 04:46 PM

If the Plaintiff Hudson's Bay or Zellers claims that it costs them administrative costs, etc. it
really doesn't. These Civil recovery companies get a percentage. GO TO
expeditedcclaims.com and you can read that this company actually says on their website "Civil
recovery is self financing- you pay nothing at all. The amount demanded from a shoplifter is
typically $450.00. When a payment is mad 55% -about $250.00 on a normal demand of
450.00 is provided to you, while the remainder is retained by Expedited Claims Inc. as
compensation for its efforts on your behalf."

So, the Bay and Zellers does not have any "administrative costs" to incurr. they get easy
money and so does Patrick Martin and Patrick Greco who are both asking you to send it to
CIVIL RECOVERY in Mississauga. remember that this civil recovery company comes up on
BBB (better business bureau) with the principal as Patrick Martin and the Po box is actually a
house belonging to P. Greco. So, how can the plaintiff The bay or zellers say that it costs them
money...bunch of liars.

As for those demand letters, they can mail merge. It's easy to make a letter up. You can buy
prepaid envelopes too.

As far as I'm concerned, Patrick Martin and Patrick Anthony Greco should be disbarred. Both
these Patricks sure aren't saints themselves.

POSTED BY LETSFIXTHIS ON 10/26/2010, 09:30 PM

these individuals need to be reported to the law society of upper canada

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