#Meded Twitter Chat 23 June 2011 UK/EU

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nlafferty
Hello everyone - tonight's #meded chat is on interprofessional education

Thu Jun 23 13:00:44 PDT 2011
MedEdAMA
Neat! @EinsteinMed RT @dianakost @FutureDocs: #Medstudents Create Free Med Translation App for Barriers to Care http://t.co/JlcXUeM #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:01:12 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic for tonight's #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:01:37 PDT 2011
hipp0campus
RT @alasdairforrest: @nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic for tonight's #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:01:45 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Hi Alasdair - good to have you with us, will be interesting to hear your thoughts on interprofessional education #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:02:41 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@nlafferty: Hello, hospital pharmacist educating (in a sense :) people on good antibiotic use #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:02:47 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@nlafferty I am lurking... may get a chance to post #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:03:42 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost Hello - teaching on good antibiotic use is a priority with us so will be interested to hear how you approach this #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:04:02 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@Neil_Mehta Hello Neil - good to have you lurking #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:04:41 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
Am trying to set up a curriculum for chronic disease care where med students, pharm students and SW students collaborate #meded
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Thu Jun 23 13:06:10 PDT 2011
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amcunningham
I am having connection issues! Anne Marie, GP in Cardiff #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:06:59 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
hello! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:07:32 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
Alasdair Forrest, medical student (until graduation tomorrow) @DundeeUniv . #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:07:42 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost Do you link with infectious diseases teaching re teaching on prudent antiobiotic prescribing or with patient safety agenda #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:08:26 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@jvalaball @GPL41 @welsh_gas_doc @topknife1 @drsarahjonas #meded chat now on interprofessional learning if you're interested :)
Thu Jun 23 13:08:27 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@Neil_Mehta SW involvement would be interesting. Had some of that in my final-year addictions special study module, but nowhere else. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:08:36 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@MhairiHepburn Hi Mhairi we're chatting about interprofessional education tonight #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:09:00 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
#meded have used interprofessional learning in simulation with med students and nursing students
Thu Jun 23 13:09:15 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@gradmedchris @LizzyFerret @D_Rodders @fidouglas #meded chat on interprofessional education now if you're interested:)
Thu Jun 23 13:09:33 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@nlafferty #meded both in different contexts, according to the roles that different staff members play.
Thu Jun 23 13:09:53 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@alasdairforrest graduation tomorrow? wow! hope you have a great day, and congratulations! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:09:57 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@DrDLittle #meded same here at Dundee - we have a new ward simulation facility which support this
Thu Jun 23 13:10:09 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@alasdairforrest US Health care system is so complex that the SW plays a key role to help navigate it.#meded
Thu Jun 23 13:10:25 PDT 2011
amcunningham
Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd like to join out #meded chat on interprofessional education now? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:11:16 PDT 2011
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Neil_Mehta
@alasdairforrest #meded Glad to hear that (I think) ;-)

Thu Jun 23 13:11:22 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost Do you use the PAUSE website to support any of your teaching #meded http://bit.ly/jp8guA
Thu Jun 23 13:11:26 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@nlafferty #meded i.e. discouraging broad spectrum antibiotic use to docs encourages better diagnostics (they have to think what theyre 1/2
Thu Jun 23 13:11:32 PDT 2011
amcunningham
So wondering if any of you have had experience of IPE? How did it go? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:12:07 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@nlafferty @kevfrost #meded Did not know about PAUSE - just bookmarked it
Thu Jun 23 13:13:01 PDT 2011
celticchickadee
RT @amcunningham: Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd like to join out #meded chat on interprofessional education now? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:13:05 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett have you remembered that we're talking about IPE on #meded chat tonight? :)
Thu Jun 23 13:13:09 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham Thanks, Will lurk a wee bit :) #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:13:09 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
Thu Jun 23 13:13:27 PDT 2011
topknife1
#meded interesting topic. Tough issue! Limited experience though find people tend to tribalise everything! Nurses v docs etc
Thu Jun 23 13:13:51 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Had fairly useful IPE with nursing students in early years, and good IPE with dental students. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:14:00 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@mariawolters @arripay @RhiannonBluemel @NurseMcGinty talking IPE on #meded chat just now if you'd like to join!
Thu Jun 23 13:14:02 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@Neil_Mehta @kevfrost #meded - I think it's about to be updated - it's a bit old fashioned looking now, but we use if with our 4th yrs
Thu Jun 23 13:14:02 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@Neil_Mehta @nlafferty #meded Neither did I! #embarassedface Not seen it on any BSAC communications.
Thu Jun 23 13:14:46 PDT 2011
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carlylou
@amcunningham I'd join but i've never had any interprofessional education! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:15:12 PDT 2011
amcunningham
I would have to say that IPE does not have a strong presence in Cardiff... #meded but may be stronger in new curriculum #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:15:40 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
Is there any better way for a medical student to learn oral examination than to be taught it by a dental student, as I was? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:15:57 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham #meded On Wards today eavesdropped a nurse teaching a nurse student about IV lines - I learned a lot
Thu Jun 23 13:15:59 PDT 2011
egosyntonically
Thu Jun 23 13:16:11 PDT 2011
topknife1
#meded I never got much from IPE as a student due to tribal behaviour. Easy trap to fall into
Thu Jun 23 13:16:24 PDT 2011
amcunningham
What are the benefits of IPE? When is the right time? #meded #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:16:34 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@Neil_Mehta Many of the ward skills of 20-30 yrs ago are hidden from us, and only nurses can teach newbies like me. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:16:58 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@carlylou well watch and learn:) #meded #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:16:59 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @topknife1: #meded I never got much from IPE as a student due to tribal behaviour. Easy trap to fall into #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:17:21 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
Too many 'chips-on-shoulders' and tribalism amongst specialties for IPE to really take off #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:17:25 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@topknife1 You can still be tribal and hate the other side and have IPE. Maybe defeats the point, but still could work. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:17:44 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@amcunningham I suspect IPE could be improved in most places #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:17:50 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @cringlem: #meded IPE. It's good up to a point. Fab as part of CRM and teamwork. Good in Life Support. Not good for academic topics.
Thu Jun 23 13:18:09 PDT 2011
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welsh_gas_doc
I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest common denominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:18:10 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@topknife1 I remember one day shortly after I came to Cardiff- virtually in fresher week and already identities establishing #meded #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:18:12 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@amcunningham #meded I know 1 prescribring course where the pharmacists felt they were disadvantaged because it was "designed for nurses"
Thu Jun 23 13:18:19 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
@amcunningham really well with multiprofessional sim, added a whole new dimension. Works best when at roughly same level #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:18:23 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest common denominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:18:28 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@MhairiHepburn We should take a look at that #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:18:34 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@welsh_gas_doc medical specialties? #meded #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:18:38 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
RT @welsh_gas_doc: Too many 'chips-on-shoulders' and tribalism amongst specialties for IPE to really take off #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:18:53 PDT 2011
NHS_GP
@amcunningham Do we need to teach students how to be a doctor / nurse ... before trying to cross train? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:19:02 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@DrDLittle at same level? of course? is it better postgrad? #meded #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:19:07 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
Worked less well with med students and qualified nurses for example @amcunningham #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:19:09 PDT 2011
topknife1
@amcunningham #meded much better as postgrad with people you know already. Think we all have IPE every day in work
Thu Jun 23 13:19:11 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @topknife1: @amcunningham #meded much better as postgrad with people you know already. Think we all have IPE every day in work
Thu Jun 23 13:19:25 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@welsh_gas_doc So true! #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:19:30 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest common
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LizzyFerret
denominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:19:31 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @NHS_GP: @amcunningham Do we need to teach students how to be a doctor / nurse ... before trying to cross train? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:19:44 PDT 2011
topknife1
Thu Jun 23 13:19:47 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses and assistants does work quite well though. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:20:10 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
#meded if we remember we can learn something from anyone - and a bit of respect and courage to start a conversation = IPE will happen.
Thu Jun 23 13:20:12 PDT 2011
hullodave
@amcunningham A lot of reaction seems to be "Why do I need to know this? It's not what I'm going to do." Which is a shame. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:20:13 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@NHS_GP I think that is a good point- you need to be heppy in your own skin before understanding another? #ipe #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:20:24 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@topknife1 @amcunningham certainly all our mandatory training is interprofessional (although rarely medics present) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:20:44 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @kevfrost: @amcunningham #meded I know 1 prescribring course where the pharmacists felt they were disadvantaged because it was "designed for nurses"
Thu Jun 23 13:20:46 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@cringlem W/ dentists for H&N and thorax anatomy, and with nurses for some basic ward skills in 1st yr, like handwashing & life supp #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:21:15 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @hullodave: #meded #ipe A lot of reaction seems to be "Why do I need to know this? Its not what Im going to do." Which is a shame. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:21:51 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
Thu Jun 23 13:21:52 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest did you do the IPE ethics stuff - curious to know what that's all about #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:21:58 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@hullodave #meded I remember many saying this when I was a pharmacy undergraduate about specialisms within pharmacy :)
Thu Jun 23 13:22:04 PDT 2011
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amcunningham
@hullodave how could it be improved? #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:22:15 PDT 2011
doseofnuxvomica
@welsh_gas_doc: Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses and assistants does work quite well though. #meded < yes
Thu Jun 23 13:22:17 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham @NHS_GP Does it matter if one half uses medical model and other half of room nursing model? Does it cause problems? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:22:19 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
yes, an important point. @welsh_gas_doc #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:22:35 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@alasdairforrest @NHS_GP half of room? was which purpose are these model? working or learning? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:23:11 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
The week of nursing that med students do (in Cardiff) is pretty pointless; do nursing students follow the on-call F1? No. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:23:13 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@nlafferty @alasdairforrest the only ethics thing I remember doing is the "travelling theatre company" think. Utterly cringeworthy! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:23:20 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty I did indeed. I liked that, but the views varied did divide up between nursing and medical students! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:23:42 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@LizzyFerret was travelling theatre company about domestic violence and gp not being helpful? might have seen #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:24:08 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@cringlem Ethics and ward work, like TPR and handwashing, and some IP communication, all in pre-clinical years. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:24:16 PDT 2011
carlylou
#meded this is really interesting I've never had formal IPE (I'm a nurse) but have learnt so much from working with people and asking Qs
Thu Jun 23 13:24:26 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@welsh_gas_doc would it be useful if nursing students did follow the f1? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:24:40 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@welsh_gas_doc completely agree. I've raised this before; think it's pointless. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:24:41 PDT 2011
topknife1
#meded simulator training in postgrad setting works. Everyone understands role in the team. As student too much conflict about leadership
Thu Jun 23 13:24:51 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Was that the same as @lizzyferret described with the theatre
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nlafferty
company #ipe #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:25:03 PDT 2011
NHS_GP
RT @welsh_gas_doc: The week of nursing that med students do (in Cardiff) is pretty pointless; do nursing students follow the on-call F1? No. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:25:15 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham no it was something about a HIV+ve student, their status and being "outed". #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:25:39 PDT 2011
carlylou
@welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities of the job if nothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:25:48 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@topknife1 does doctor always lead a resus team? #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:26:09 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@cringlem Absolutely agree. #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:26:17 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
RT @carlylou: @welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities of the job if nothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:26:21 PDT 2011
drsarahjonas
@amcunningham great as part of work team, did paeds ward teaching today multiprof really effective, but need base knowledge of role #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:26:40 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham In our IPE, did usually see nursing students ask medical students' advice, actually. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:26:46 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@LizzyFerret I wonder why theatre doesn't seem to work... too confrontational? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:26:48 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@amcunningham @topknife1 In theory, no. In practice, yes. #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:26:54 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham #Meded I took part in an inter professional learning week last year, with a simulation of a cas (cont) http://deck.ly/~mbuKS
Thu Jun 23 13:27:11 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @cringlem: #meded #ipe it's only good when we have to DO the same things. It's no good when it's about depth of knowledge
Thu Jun 23 13:27:23 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
The best IPE I've had was seeing MDTs work in areas where doctors are small part of team, such as Addictions clinic. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:27:40 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @drsarahjonas: @amcunningham great as part of work team, did paeds ward
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amcunningham
teaching today multi-prof really effective, but need base knowledge of role #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:27:57 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @alasdairforrest: @amcunningham In our IPE, did usually see nursing students ask medical students' advice, actually. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:28:10 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham perhaps; tho also the issue of fictional role play & character adoption - not everyone is an AmDram fan! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:28:17 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Respiratory system have introduced mock MDTs in 2nd year students thought it was good #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:28:39 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
@welsh_gas_doc did that as a 3rd year in Manchester. After first day it was a waste of time #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:28:40 PDT 2011
amcunningham
I know some unis try to do 'virtual' IPE... I've seen it presented at conferences!.. might that work? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:28:51 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty We did mock MDT in GI, but all participants were medical students! Wasn't so useful. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:29:20 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@LizzyFerret ok- the one I saw was professional actors... obviously different #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:29:21 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@nlafferty how do they manage the mock MDT? do med students role-play other team members? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:04 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham In Scotland, we do an HAI programme that is multidisciplinary. Very much nursing-based, which encouraged resentment. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:08 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
It certainly helps in IPE when all involved know the basics about the other professions, the IPE I did no one knew what a PA was (1/) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:11 PDT 2011
drsarahjonas
@alasdairforrest Agree I have had great IPE in CAMHS teams where medics small part #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:13 PDT 2011
doseofnuxvomica
RT @carlylou: @welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities of the job if nothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:39 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
like the sound of mock mdts with students from different disciplines- might be hard 2 organise though? has anyone done this? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:42 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@amcunningham #meded In Queensland they used VPs & had med, nursing & AHP
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nlafferty
students work through them & then co (cont) http://deck.ly/~wQ2xi

Thu Jun 23 13:30:49 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
...It meant the IPE kept stopping and starting as roles were explained (2/2) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:30:55 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
Is formal IPE to be valued more than the constant informal IPE that goes on as part of clinical attachments? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:31:13 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
In a prof capacity Ive found IPE good when it had a ward/team based focus, as a student w the cohorts of "diff sides" its less useful #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:31:27 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@amcunningham You would need to ask @dundeechest - I just heard it was very successful #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:31:29 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@MhairiHepburn Mock MDTs would be particularly useful in Psychiatry teaching, with SW and psych nurses. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:31:59 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I was taught what a bacteria and a virus...hardly good use of consultant time. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:32:13 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @welsh_gas_doc: @Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I was taught what a bacteria and a virus...hardly good use of consultant time. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:32:26 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@amcunningham Also students have attended MDT meetings with @dundeechest and again found it really good learning experience #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:32:40 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @LizzyFerret: In a prof capacity Ive found IPE good when it had a ward/team based focus, as a student w the cohorts of "diff sides" its less useful #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:32:55 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@alasdairforrest certainly the MDTs I've been to have been very educational. Typically 3 docs,2 nurses and 3-10 others #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:02 PDT 2011
cringlem
@Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I was taught what a bacteria and virus.....hardly good use of consultant time. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:34 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@nlafferty @amcunningham @dundeechest Agreed, MDTs in Psych placements were VERY informative and made sense of it all #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:45 PDT 2011
nlafferty
RT @kevfrost: @alasdairforrest certainly the MDTs I've been to have been very educational. Typically 3 docs,2 nurses and 3-10 others #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:45 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@neil_howie_uk so how can you learn roles of others... do you think that happens
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amcunningham
well? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:49 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
IPE cannot proceed on the falsehood that depth of knowledge required by different professions is the same. That prevents engagement. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:33:51 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
2 make it work it needs 2 b planned by teachers from different disciplines working 2gether not just one discipline teaching others #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:34:04 PDT 2011
loriblack
#meded I've really enjoyed all the IPE we've had. Haven't necessarily learnt as much from it though.
Thu Jun 23 13:34:05 PDT 2011
drsarahjonas
#meded not sure about mock MDTs - think it took me until a while into HO jobs to work out what a doctor did - let alone anyone else....
Thu Jun 23 13:34:17 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@alasdairforrest @MhairiHepburn still not quite getting the mock think... ie wioth students? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:34:49 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @drsarahjonas: #meded not sure about mock MDTs - think it took me until a while into HO jobs to work out what a doctor did - let alone anyone else....
Thu Jun 23 13:34:56 PDT 2011
hullodave
@amcunningham Not sure. Highlighting future clinical relevence, early introduction of other professionals into simulation training? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:35:15 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@loriblack when do you think you've had IPE? #justasking :) #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:35:16 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
RT @alasdairforrest: IPE cannot proceed on the falsehood that depth of knowledge required by different professions is the same. That prevents engagement. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:35:21 PDT 2011
silv24
Thu Jun 23 13:35:34 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham I think there needs to be a list & description of all roles circulated before IPE or an opportunity to meet 1st #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:35:40 PDT 2011
kevfrost
Agree with what people are saying about IPE. Great when a common learning outcome and starting from similar level of understanding #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:35:45 PDT 2011
loriblack
#meded @amcunningham wouldn't virtual learning get rid of the hands-on nature of things like nursing placement? Making it less memorable?
Thu Jun 23 13:35:47 PDT 2011
trixiebelle121
RT @welsh_gas_doc: Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses

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trixiebelle121
and assistants does work quite well though. #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:36:05 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@amcunningham @MhairiHepburn - for lung cancer mock MDTs I think the students took on different roles in the healthcare team #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:36:05 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Exactly: we have a SW school & a nursing school @DundeeUniv . No other university in Scotland does. Good opportunity! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:36:12 PDT 2011
hullodave
@kevfrost Same in medicine about specialisms individuals aren't interested in. Can't imagine it'll ever stop. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:36:14 PDT 2011
carlylou
@alasdairforrest I think there is a depth of knowledge about diff things - that's why we have different professions in the 1st place #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:36:45 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@loriblack I guess people think of IPE as usually learning together, rather than just learning about each other... #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:37:14 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
Keep forgetting the bloody hashish. #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:37:24 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@carlylou Quite right! Advanced nursing model is just different, not poorer in content than medical model. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:37:25 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@loriblack I think the VPs highlighted how medical and nursing students viewed the patient quite differently #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:37:31 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@DrDLittle Use Tweetchat, it adds the hashtag automatically #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:37:52 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
Bloody autocorrect I meant hashtag NOT hashish #Meded

Thu Jun 23 13:38:10 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham #Meded It didn't help that the IPE required us to take on roles that were not our own at times (cont) http://deck.ly/~6bZiP
Thu Jun 23 13:38:13 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@hullodave #meded but could we apply strategies to teach surgery to wannabePsychiatrists to teach understanding of social work to physios?
Thu Jun 23 13:38:14 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@amcunningham im thinking mock mdt with students of various disciplines- they're given story of mock pt & discuss the case together #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:38:18 PDT 2011
loriblack
@nlafferty ah! Interesting! #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:38:28 PDT 2011
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alasdairforrest
RT @MhairiHepburn: @amcunningham im thinking mock mdt with students of various disciplines- they're given story of mock pt & discuss the case together #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:39:02 PDT 2011
amcunningham
An issue I"ve heard is that often numbers of eg physios and OTs is << than that of medics and nurses- can feel swamping #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:39:02 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@loriblack They found that nurses focused more on the patient as a person, whereas med students focused on the clinical problem #meded #IPE
Thu Jun 23 13:39:05 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
It seems that everybody enjoys IPE to an extent; but nobody finds it particularly useful. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:39:30 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @welsh_gas_doc: It seems that everybody enjoys IPE to an extent; but nobody finds it particularly useful. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:39:51 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham #meded maybe we need to have all the uni's in one city come together for IPE to cover all professions?
Thu Jun 23 13:40:01 PDT 2011
Subintellectual
RT @DrDLittle: Bloody autocorrect I meant hashtag NOT hashish #Meded

Thu Jun 23 13:40:01 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
RT @welsh_gas_doc: It seems that everybody enjoys IPE to an extent; but nobody finds it particularly useful. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:40:26 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@neil_howie_uk @amcunningham #meded so teaching medical students to interact with their caricatures of other healthcare professionals?
Thu Jun 23 13:40:29 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@welsh_gas_doc perhaps we don't recognise what is useful... but enjoyable is not a bad start... #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:40:33 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
Now with HT: @neil_howie_uk Except @DundeeUniv , where we have SW, nursing and medicine, and thus a good opportunity missed! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:41:07 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham Yes it can, I was only PA with 5 nurses, 3 midwives! Social worker was off sick! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:41:07 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@neil_howie_uk perhaps, we have many different professions in Cardiff Uni itself ... but little formal IPE.... #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:41:43 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@nlafferty I've found medic especially 1st & 2nd yrs don't have enough clinical knowledge to focus on the condition #meded
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DrDLittle
Our 5th yrs did some IPE with pharmacy students but both groups had very different needs so session didnt work v.well #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:42:20 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@kevfrost it wasn't ideal and I think just badly organised. need multiple training providers to come together #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:42:21 PDT 2011
hullodave
@welsh_gas_doc I think that;s definitely true. Do you think it could be made useful? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:42:35 PDT 2011
carlylou
#meded our undergrads all do IPE ... But most units just use it as free labour to do an audit or whatever - not sure how useful it is as ed
Thu Jun 23 13:44:01 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
IPE only has a place in a simulator setting; not people pretending to be another profession, or something that they're not. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:44:01 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@alasdairforrest #meded difficult isn't it. At wolves we had PAs, nurses (all branches) midwives, social workers, NPs.
Thu Jun 23 13:44:13 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
@ClaireW62 what was format? #Meded

Thu Jun 23 13:44:15 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@AndyRKett I'm not sure what year of study these students were in Queensland. I think there is a big push on #IPE in Australia #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:44:16 PDT 2011
CommPharm
RT @Neil_Mehta: #meded if we remember we can learn something from anyone - and a bit of respect and courage to start a conversation = IPE will happen.
Thu Jun 23 13:44:21 PDT 2011
kevfrost
#meded If I recall Nottingham Uni has joint lectures on disease management between pharmacy and medicine. Don't know extent of integration.
Thu Jun 23 13:44:23 PDT 2011
amcunningham
Is a problem with IPE that all students want to learn about the other roles... instead of just learning together? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:44:31 PDT 2011
anaesthetists
JAW welcomes all members of the multi-disciplinary team with an interest in anaesthesia! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:45:23 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham #meded Bham has all professions over 3 uni's, Wolves was isolated, IPE needs to be locally tailored then?
Thu Jun 23 13:45:25 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@adrenalizer what did the physios and nurses think of the session? were the disappointed too? #meded
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Thu Jun 23 13:45:34 PDT 2011
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DrDLittle
@welsh_gas_doc absolutely, that isn't IPE that is role play, and is almost always useless #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:45:43 PDT 2011
ClaireW62
@DrDLittle Yr 5 Medicine & Yr 4 Pharmacy students working in small groups together - on a case led basis. Session leader excellent #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:46:09 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
In US due to the concept of ACOs and PCMHs interdisciplinary care is finally coming into vogue #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:46:22 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@DrDLittle IPE is generally thought to be about professions learning together... like simulator training... #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:46:34 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@neil_howie_uk We have great teaching from pharmacists, but no students with whom to do IPE. Nowhere in Scotland it could happen. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:46:45 PDT 2011
jwebbery
@amcunningham you can observe very different learning cultures, behaviours between the Ps in IPE #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:46:46 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @ClaireW62: @DrDLittle Yr 5 Medicine & Yr 4 Pharmacy students working in small groups - together - on a case led basis. Session leader excellent #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:47:03 PDT 2011
boygeekdrone
The consensus reached by my friends was that IPE was horrible and always turned to medic bashing. #MedEd
Thu Jun 23 13:47:32 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
@amcunningham would be useful for all HCPs to know more about what other HCPs do, not sure IPE is the best way of doing that #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:47:34 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Pharmacy students in Aberdeen wonder if they do IPE with medics there? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:47:47 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@jwebbery have you experience of IPE or leading IPE? #meded wonder if needs 'sophistication' to pick up on subleties?
Thu Jun 23 13:47:49 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @DrDLittle: @amcunningham would be useful for all HCPs to know more about what other HCPs do, not sure IPE is the best way of doing that #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:47:58 PDT 2011
Subintellectual
IPE is a description, not a prescription. Simplistically it means nothing, but may be a framework for delivering valuable content #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:48:06 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@AndyRKett What's been your experience overall of IPE as a nursing student #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:48:32 PDT 2011
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kevfrost
@alasdairforrest #meded no pharmacy students? Robert Gordon Aberdeen and Strathclyde have school of pharmacy
Thu Jun 23 13:48:35 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@BoyGeekDrone #meded what format did you sessions take? what were you learning about?
Thu Jun 23 13:48:43 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty At RGU, while medics at Aberdeen. No nursing students at Aberdeen either! Nursing school at Glasgow closing, too! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:48:46 PDT 2011
twchat
@welsh_gas_doc if #meded is a regular chat, feel free to add it to Twitter Chat Sched http://bit.ly/chatlist Editable doc
Thu Jun 23 13:49:06 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
are all IPE session useful are those that take part fully prepared to make the most from them #Meded
Thu Jun 23 13:49:09 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
#meded if we have to work together to care for patients, we have to learn how to do that together
Thu Jun 23 13:49:09 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@kevfrost Yes, but none at same institution as medical students. Would take some organisation, I fear! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:49:11 PDT 2011
silv24
@amcunningham we had three sets of online IPE - variety of students discussing a patient journey using Blackboard #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:49:19 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@alasdairforrest Is this where technology comes in? IPE on a PBL type case wich mixed groups across Scotland? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:49:27 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Subintellectual have you any experience of IPE? #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:49:32 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@twchat: @welsh_gas_doc if #meded is a regular chat, feel free to add it to Twitter Chat Sched http://t.co/sk1ESnd Editable doc
Thu Jun 23 13:49:35 PDT 2011
ClaireW62
@DrDLittle I agree - whole thing depended on session leader #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:49:38 PDT 2011
amcunningham
ah!! RT @silv24: @amcunningham we had three sets of online IPE - variety of students discussing a patient journey using Blackboard #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:49:46 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Ah my mistake I thought pharmacy was at Aberdeen not RGU! #meded Midwifery at Dundee closing too!
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Thu Jun 23 13:49:50 PDT 2011
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leonardkish
RT @Neil_Mehta: #meded if we have to work together to care for patients, we have to learn how to do that together
Thu Jun 23 13:49:54 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
@silv24 @amcunningham was that useful? #Meded

Thu Jun 23 13:50:05 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 wonder if it was your med school I saw the presentation about... was it any use? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:50:14 PDT 2011
silv24
@amcunningham have to admit that many of us didn't find it useful, often lead to fairly stereotypical views being expressed #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:50:54 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Neil_Mehta but at what stage should we start that learning? do the bulk of it? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:50:56 PDT 2011
ross71521
When we did IPE, everyone was too junior to really get anything from it. We were all just students back then. #MedEd
Thu Jun 23 13:50:58 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@amcunningham @silv24 That sounds a great way to get over the distance issues. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:51:03 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@nlafferty some sessions were very good but i missed many due to being on placement #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:51:08 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@neil_howie_uk Did video-link. Inter-university education between final-year medics has been tricky, too! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:51:15 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham #meded as usual you ask tough que! Progressively increasing amount through the curriculum?
Thu Jun 23 13:52:07 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 hmmm pity.. wonder what we can do to make better... I think better f2f if possible... or on twitter! #ipe #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:52:11 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
@alasdairforrest No substitute for face to face work then! #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:52:13 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Neil_Mehta I am the woman of the tough questions!! :) #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:52:40 PDT 2011
loriblack
@amcunningham I would agree that students more want to learn about roles than learn together. Difficult to address that problem #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:52:43 PDT 2011
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nlafferty
Haven't St George's also used Second Life for IPE? #meded - I'm not sure about the value of 2nd Life
Thu Jun 23 13:52:45 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@neil_howie_uk Tribalism galore! We do placements with Glasgow & Edinburgh students, and feel different in our skillset to them, too! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:52:55 PDT 2011
cringlem
Multi disciplinarily teaching French to 15yr old. Trust me it doesn't work #ipe #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:53:16 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 yes, can't remember but very likely to have been warwick.. how did 'doctor bashing' manifest online? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:53:24 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham Haha probably should not use the #meded hashtag for this post?
Thu Jun 23 13:53:42 PDT 2011
DrDLittle
#meded thinking back, I didn't do any formal IPE as a student.

Thu Jun 23 13:53:45 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@patlockley Do medical students get involved in this with them? #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:54:17 PDT 2011
silv24
@amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during my clinical placements - you get to see their roles in action #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:54:18 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @silv24: @amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during my clinical placements - you get to see their roles in action #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:54:35 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
Thu Jun 23 13:54:37 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 I very much agree that in practice is where it should happen.... maybe we should try and build in more #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:55:06 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty Come to think of it, I think social work is closing here too! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:55:08 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@silv24: I found I learnt most about other professions during my clinical placements you get to see their roles in action #meded << Ditto
Thu Jun 23 13:55:13 PDT 2011
silv24
@amcunningham just occasional snide comments about how doctors only cared about the actual medicine & not the whole patient #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:55:18 PDT 2011
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nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Gosh, I hadn't heard that, will need to check. #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:55:40 PDT 2011
cathieb
IPE can happen between diff institutions. Nurse, medic & pharm students recent IPE ward sim exercise in Dundee - acute medicine #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:55:57 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 so people were leaving those comments on blogs or some kind of text-based account/reflection? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:56:14 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@nlafferty SL maybe better than nothing but nothing like face2face. Still the anonymity might make for interesting research #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:56:30 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@cathieb Didn't know that! #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:56:30 PDT 2011
nlafferty
RT @cathieb: IPE can happen between diff institutions. Nurse, medic & pharm students recent IPE ward sim exercise in Dundee - acute medicine #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:56:42 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
i am currently watching a program, they are talking about the importance of the porter as an essential member of a life saving team #meded.
Thu Jun 23 13:56:43 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@cathieb hello Cathie! What's your experience of this? What do you students think? pros and cons? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:56:55 PDT 2011
doctorrah
@DrDLittle #meded George's had 1st term combined medics/biomed/physio/nurses/radiographers when I was there (2001). Nice idea, didn't work.
Thu Jun 23 13:57:16 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@cathieb What did your students think of the Ward Sim? I watched one of the sessions & thought it was fantastic! #meded #IPE
Thu Jun 23 13:57:26 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
I even found there was heavy contempt for being taught by a senior nurse or pharmacist, let alone learning with students. :( #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:57:46 PDT 2011
scottishphil83
@amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectures with pharmacy students - made us realise they knew more than we did! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:57:57 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@doctorrah nice idea? but how did it work in practice? ist year is pretty early for #ipe I think .... #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:57:59 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @scottishphil83: @amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectures with pharmacy students - made us realise they knew more than we did! #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:58:06 PDT 2011
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silv24
@amcunningham it was on Blackboard with a discussion thread for each week where you would post, then write a reflection after #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:58:14 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
Thu Jun 23 13:58:19 PDT 2011
cathieb
@alasdairforrest Recent partnership between Dundee, Abertay & RGU. Students worked well together to assess & treat acutely ill pt. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:58:58 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@silv24 #meded needs supervised closely then, and ppl told NOT to do that, emphasise respecting other professions INCLUDES THE DOCTORS
Thu Jun 23 13:59:01 PDT 2011
alexwintermute
#meded I think you know my thoughts on med students working at least some time as a HCA. every medic I've asked who's done it recommends it!
Thu Jun 23 13:59:11 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 ok... how did people respond to this.? you did get to meet the other people f2f at some stage didn't you? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:59:15 PDT 2011
carlylou
#meded seems like there are 2 issues here 1) needing to understand & appreciate others roles & 2) functioning & learning as a clinical team
Thu Jun 23 13:59:28 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@nlafferty @cathieb @alasdairforrest feedback from recent transition block students was Ward Sim was very good :) #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:59:38 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@doctorrah #meded we had joint lectures with biomedical science in y1/y2. Just being in the same room didn't result in any IPE.
Thu Jun 23 13:59:39 PDT 2011
amcunningham
RT @carlylou: #meded seems like there are 2 issues here 1) needing to understand & appreciate others roles & 2) functioning & learning as a clinical team
Thu Jun 23 13:59:40 PDT 2011
scottishphil83
@amcunningham IPE at a postgrad level works. ALS: nurses doctors working well together in teams. why doesnt work at undergrad level? #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:59:42 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@cathieb Very interesting. I missed that entirely, filling my final year with sedate psychiatric placements. #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:59:45 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@alexwintermute completely agree with this have met many doctors how have done some time as HCAs #meded
Thu Jun 23 13:59:56 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Took place in the new Dow extension in Clinical Skills - amazing watching everything in the AV control room #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:00:08 PDT 2011
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alexwintermute
Thu Jun 23 14:00:09 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Subintellectual I think people do think they can learn... but complaints seem to be about artifice... #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:00:43 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Disappointing to hear that :( #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:00:45 PDT 2011
doctorrah
@amcunningham #meded Was rubbish tbh. We got too little hard science whilst eg nurses were baffled by details of autonomic nervous system
Thu Jun 23 14:01:00 PDT 2011
MykelO
RT @scottishphil83: @amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectures with pharmacy students - made us realise they knew more than we did! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:01:18 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@silv24 @amcunningham I actually think that sounds like a nightmare :S Would much prefer face to face. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:01:31 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham we also did 1st year IPE @doctorrah #ipe #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:01:35 PDT 2011
silv24
@amcunningham we didn't meet face to face. I just tried to be as positive as I could with it to be honest #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:13 PDT 2011
amcunningham
I@Subintellectual but usuallyt intention seems to be not to learn from each other but with each other... perhpas just poor delivery? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:17 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@silv24 I know you would:) #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:02:28 PDT 2011
cathieb
@nlafferty Sorry I'm late! Informal feedback v positive. I facilitated some sessions and learning continued after scenarios finished. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:41 PDT 2011
drowens88
We did IPE at southampton. It's now being dropped in the final year. It's still used in 1st and 2nd year. Everyone hates it! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:43 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@LizzyFerret @cathieb @alasdairforrest I heard the students thought the Ward Sim was good too and the scrubbing up theatre etiquette #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:46 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett how did it go? success? what worked? what could be better? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:02:56 PDT 2011
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alexwintermute
RT @AndyRKett: @alexwintermute completely agree with this have met many doctors how have done some time as HCAs #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:03:02 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
Too often, an IPE session will turn into a "lets bitch about those lazy, arrogant docs" session. All been on ALS courses like that! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:03:12 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@drowens88 everyone? all specialties?? #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:03:25 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@cathieb That's really good, I found it fascinating as an observer - a lot of planning must have gone into it #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:03:35 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@nlafferty @cathieb @alasdairforrest yeah the theatre etiquette thing good too :) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:03:37 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham worked well it depends how you look at it our medics start clinical placement from day one so much better appreciation #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:03:50 PDT 2011
alexwintermute
Thu Jun 23 14:03:57 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett ah! that could be important... what did you actually do together? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:04:19 PDT 2011
alexwintermute
RT @DrDLittle: Keep forgetting the bloody hashish. #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:04:33 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham an introduction in first year to the concept of MDT is essential other wise lead to problems later on #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:04:39 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett ok- that makes sense... how was it done? in lectures? small groups? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:05:12 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@AndyRKett Took me a long time to work out what different AHPs and nurses did, actually! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:05:14 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham we had a scenario of a patient with complex problems and we had to decide as a group how to solve them #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:05:17 PDT 2011
OsteoA
RT @kevfrost #meded If I recall Nottingham Uni has joint lectures on disease management between pharmacy and medicine. Don't know ext...
Thu Jun 23 14:05:45 PDT 2011
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nlafferty
RT @cathieb: @nlafferty #meded Observed a nurs student teaching a couple of med students about SEWS charts. Ph (cont) http://deck.ly/~CvFRO
Thu Jun 23 14:06:03 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham small groups, 3 nurses 2 medics OT Physio and a pharm student #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:06:06 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
#meded role-modelling attendings-nurses working collaboratively on wards helps trainees learn from each other. Would set the right tone.
Thu Jun 23 14:06:19 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett did many of you know much about what the role of own profession was in first year or learning that at same time?#meded
Thu Jun 23 14:06:35 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@alasdairforrest i think nurses get much better idea of other roles because of the way our clinical placements are aranged #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:06:57 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@cathieb Fantastic - I hadn't realised pharmacy students were also involved in the acute care ward simulation #meded #ipe
Thu Jun 23 14:06:58 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Neil_Mehta well, @welsh_gas_doc has just said he's very sceptical about roleplaying other roles.... #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:07:08 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@AndyRKett But it is harder to say what a nurse is! Nurses have so many roles, it leaves us baffled. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:07:35 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett that sounds great... where was that? should be able to manage that in Cardiff! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:07:47 PDT 2011
GoddardMark
IPE has taught me nothing. If you're a nice person you'll be nice to everyone, if you're a bit of a dick you'll remain so #MedEd
Thu Jun 23 14:07:52 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham i think they did but it was part of the process to make sure we knew what the roles were #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:07:55 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham @welsh_gas_doc #meded I meant docs and nurses working together are role-models for their trainees to work/learn toghter
Thu Jun 23 14:08:14 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@amcunningham @Neil_Mehta What does a student doctor pretending to be a social worker add to anything? Becomes farcical. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:08:15 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@alasdairforrest But it is harder to say what a nurse is! Nurses have so many roles, it leaves us baffled. #meded << & changing roles too
Thu Jun 23 14:08:55 PDT 2011
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AndyRKett
@alasdairforrest you are of course completely right the nursing role is very different from one area to another even just ward based #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:08:57 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
RT @welsh_gas_doc: @amcunningham @Neil_Mehta What does a student doctor pretending to be a social worker add to anything? Becomes farcical. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:09:00 PDT 2011
doctorrah
#meded Think IPE can work well for clinical stuff, not so much the pre-clinical/basic sciences curriculum
Thu Jun 23 14:09:22 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@welsh_gas_doc @amcunningham #meded Is this an Americanism? being a role model is NOT = Role playing.
Thu Jun 23 14:09:49 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@alasdairforrest there is also much greater cross over than ever before now #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:09:51 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@AndyRKett "A nurse is a nurse is a nurse" is simply untrue in our era! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:10:07 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@AndyRKett @alasdairforrest and I know hospital pharmacists roles vary also. I know one hospital with pharmacist on crash team #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:10:23 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Neil_Mehta no- just cause role-play came up... my mistake... it's understood to be very different... #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:10:38 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham what is the current process in Cardiff ? #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:10:59 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@Neil_Mehta @amcunningham Apologies. Misunderstood the nuance of the language. Agree, real world role models are very important #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:01 PDT 2011
GoddardMark
... were introduced to a whole new world of information on dendritic cells! #MedEd
Thu Jun 23 14:11:06 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham got it - thought this was another one of those "medical informatics" type things. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:21 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@GoddardMark hmm I think IPE is about more than learning to be nice... or perhaps now?? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:24 PDT 2011
ClaireW62
@welsh_gas_doc @amcunningham @Neil_Mehta Er, it helps you to see what their role is. #enoughprofessionalsnobberyalready #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:26 PDT 2011
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cathieb
@nlafferty Students played themselves, facilitated by FY1's and nurse lecturers. Actively learned from each other. Respect for roles+ #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:42 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@kevfrost surely that is essential especially in the specialist trauma centres? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:43 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@kevfrost @AndyRKett And roles are forever changing and subject to personal factors. An able Lead Pharmacist, e.g., on our acute ward #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:11:47 PDT 2011
carlylou
@alasdairforrest @andyrkett #meded As a nurse who's recently changed roles the actual day to day job is different but philosophy is the same
Thu Jun 23 14:12:15 PDT 2011
nlafferty
RT @cathieb: @nlafferty Students played themselves, facilitated by FY1's and nurse lecturers. Actively learned from each other. Respect for roles+ #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:12:20 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@welsh_gas_doc stop! no-one seems to be suggesting role-play so no more overexcitement! #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:12:41 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@ClaireW62 I'm with @welshgasdoc. You want to see what a social worker really does, not what one of your profession thinks they do #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:13:00 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett hmmm very little as far as I am aware #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:13:04 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@alasdairforrest we now have Consultant Nurses, with skill levels not dissimilar to that of an SHO #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:13:09 PDT 2011
carlylou
@alasdairforrest @andyrkett #meded am sure is similar with Drs on rotation / changing specialities etc?
Thu Jun 23 14:13:14 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@carlylou Interesting! In Addictions, I saw the same: doctors being doctors, except in this strange non-medical area. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:13:18 PDT 2011
EuroDocstar
RT @carlylou: #meded seems like there are 2 issues here 1) needing to understand & appreciate others roles & 2) functioning & learning as a clinical team
Thu Jun 23 14:13:49 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@MykelO hmm- why do you think they refused? disappointing... #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:13:53 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@AndyRKett Indeed, in practical terms the same skills, but driven at a deep level by an advanced nursing model, rather than medical! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:14:11 PDT 2011
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amcunningham
interesting RT @carlylou: #meded As a nurse who's recently changed roles the actual day to day job is different but philosophy is the same
Thu Jun 23 14:14:39 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@AndyRKett pharmacist on crash team? Only know of one example, which is a midlands teaching hospital. Might be more #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:14:47 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@carlylou One of the psych Profs at Glasgow says to all his SHOs: "Don't forget you're doctors: be doctors." #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:15:33 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@alasdairforrest and do you think that all doctors have same 'philosophy'? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:15:37 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@carlylou the job can change drastically but the philosophy of nursing is evolutionary @alasdairforrest #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:15:52 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Quite a good point! RT @amcunningham and do you think that all doctors have the same 'philosophy'? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:16:29 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@amcunningham aren't we socialised to the values and cultures of our respective professions? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:16:51 PDT 2011
EuroDocstar
Thu Jun 23 14:16:55 PDT 2011
amcunningham
hmmm RT @kevfrost: @amcunningham aren't we socialised to the values and cultures of our respective professions? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:17:12 PDT 2011
EuroDocstar
Thu Jun 23 14:17:18 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@kevfrost @andyrkett why is that even necessary? I've seen Resus Officers on CrashTeam and even that raised some eyebrows. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:17:33 PDT 2011
docshannon
@amcunningham did some at uni. Ended up med student v's social work student. Not helpful. Antagonistic. Complete waste of time #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:17:41 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@drowens88 what do you think point is of IPE? or should be? #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:17:45 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham: @alasdairforrest and do you think that all doctors have same 'philosophy'? #meded haha, what a pandora's box!
Thu Jun 23 14:17:55 PDT 2011
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amcunningham
@docshannon was that early in the course? seems it is hard to make it work too early.... #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:18:14 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded Sorry to miss the fun with IPE Look forward to transcript :-)
Thu Jun 23 14:18:50 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
@LizzyFerret @kevfrost @andyrkett Far too many people on arrest team as it is. Most effective calls have less than 5 people on it #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:18:51 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham But there is a model, isn't there, that defines medicine? Hx, O/E, Ix, DDx, Px. Aren't those the structures, the tools? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:18:54 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@KimMKendall have you any thoughts on interprofessional education? might want to join last few mins of #meded chat:)
Thu Jun 23 14:19:02 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@amcunningham @alasdairforrest several different doctor philosophies evident within our old age psych dept! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:19:26 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Not to suggest that a caring instinct, or other, doesn't transcend that, and blow through the model! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:19:26 PDT 2011
docshannon
@amcunningham think IPE best when qualified & working. Understand own and other roles better. But difficult to avoid bitchfest! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:19:32 PDT 2011
hullodave
@kevfrost There must be some way of highlighting a relevence. If there isn't one maybe there is no need for the session. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:19:38 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@LizzyFerret @kevfrost @welsh_gas_doc reguardless of the size of the team someone has to keep track of drugs ?pharm best people #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:20:02 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded IPE was introduced at early stage of my training. Was excellent and set me up for GP land when I think about it
Thu Jun 23 14:20:15 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@alasdairforrest I don't think that you have stated a model... just a way of talking about-which we often skip by- for another day! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:20:15 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@welsh_gas_doc @kevfrost @andyrkett totally agree - working in CCU taught me that less is often more in that respect! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:20:26 PDT 2011
cathieb
IPE not about tribalism but improving teamworking, decision making and ultimately pt outcomes. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:20:31 PDT 2011
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alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Fair enough! #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:20:34 PDT 2011
nlafferty
RT @cathieb: IPE not about tribalism but improving teamworking, decision making and ultimately pt outcomes. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:21:02 PDT 2011
drowens88
@amcunningham we need to better understand each others roles. Forcing people into IPE just causes resentment. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:21:04 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@cathieb but tribalism is a recurring theme here... is that die to bad facilitation?? #meded #ipe
Thu Jun 23 14:21:06 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
RT @docshannon: @amcunningham think IPE best when qualified & working. Understand own and other roles better. But difficult to avoid bitchfest! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:21:27 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@AndyRKett @kevfrost @welsh_gas_doc really?! Never had a problem being the scribe as a nurse. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:22:12 PDT 2011
drowens88
The best form of IPE is just having plenty of ward time where you get to see all professions working #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:22:17 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham People were playing doctors and nurses aged 4. Can you facilitate that out? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:22:25 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @drowens88: The best form of IPE is just having plenty of ward time where you get to see all professions working #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:22:34 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
So who normally keep track of drugs in serious trauma? @welsh_gas_doc @peds_id_doc @LizzyFerret #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:22:47 PDT 2011
chrisboyer
Great hashtag chats: #hcsm #meded #hcitsm - check 'em out! #naph
Thu Jun 23 14:22:59 PDT 2011
kevfrost
@welsh_gas_doc @andyrkett a friend that was pcist on crash team said it worked well them standing at back, organising resus drugs #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:23:03 PDT 2011
amcunningham
I'm aware of time, so want to say big thanks to all who have participated in #meded chat tonight especially the new faces- all very welcome!
Thu Jun 23 14:23:06 PDT 2011
NAPH1981
RT @chrisboyer: Great hashtag chats: #hcsm #meded #hcitsm - check 'em out! #naph
Thu Jun 23 14:23:37 PDT 2011
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DrPlumEU
#meded Great links to IPE from Canada and Australia. e.g. http://bit.ly/kCOo5O and http://bit.ly/kj7PJm /
Thu Jun 23 14:23:40 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@alasdairforrest but were they being unpleasant to each other??? #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:23:41 PDT 2011
ClaireW62
@amcunningham Been very interesting #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:23:48 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Agree. Was an interesting #meded chat.

Thu Jun 23 14:23:51 PDT 2011
nlafferty
Any suggestions for next week's #meded chat topic?

Thu Jun 23 14:23:54 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
.@r_hian. I don't agree that nurses are inherently better communicators than doctors; I don't accept that at all. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:23:56 PDT 2011
docshannon
RT @drowens88: The best form of IPE is just having plenty of ward time where you get to see all professions working #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:24:22 PDT 2011
carlylou
@AndyRKett @welsh_gas_doc @peds_id_doc @lizzyferret #meded who ever is free! When I worked in ED often a HCA did that & timings
Thu Jun 23 14:24:25 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Much the opposite, I am informed. My dad was a policeman, so it was policemen for me, not doctors and nurses. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:24:32 PDT 2011
tobyhillman
Ok, so through ARCP. Seems disconnect tween importance placed on portfolio by regulators and bosses/ assessors. Am I alone in this? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:25:12 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@r_hian yes and nurses can learn a lot about communication from doctors too #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:25:28 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham thanks as always for facilitating such a good chat :) #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:25:46 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Victoria_W_S yes, this too early thing seems important. Maybe some introductions early on and then make more of placements #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:25:46 PDT 2011
cathieb
@amcunningham Yes possibly. Aim of IPE session needs to be explicit, carefully planned & with facilitators who have credibility. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:25:57 PDT 2011
tobyhillman
Last tweet not part of chat, sorry for crashing the tag... #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:26:07 PDT 2011
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kevfrost
thanks all #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:26:20 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded topic suggestion - managing demanding clients/patients. Apply IPE and communication skills to do this better
Thu Jun 23 14:26:32 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@LizzyFerret thank @nlafferty! I thought I would be indisposed tonight so she got everything started:) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:26:45 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost Thanks for joining us #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:26:48 PDT 2011
carlylou
Right! Going from #meded to #bbcqt but not sure how long battery will last!
Thu Jun 23 14:26:55 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
this is a discussion about IPE and you are devaluing the skills an knoledge of the pharmasists? @welsh_gas_doc @LizzyFerret #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:26:57 PDT 2011
brownawell
And also #mhsm for those interested in #mentalhealth RT @chrisboyer: Great hashtag chats: #hcsm #meded #hcitsm - check 'em out! #naph
Thu Jun 23 14:27:03 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@DrPlumEU taht's a hard one for undergrad students... something I think they worry about a little too much #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:27:19 PDT 2011
carlylou
#meded thanks for an interesting chat!

Thu Jun 23 14:27:56 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
#meded chat was well-facilitated at a few key points by @amcunningham. Thanks, and don't think we didn't notice!
Thu Jun 23 14:28:01 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@tobyhillman no problem... I'd love to explore thoughts on portfolios and competency more:) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:28:38 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded Another suggestion Methods to improve use of computers/mobile devices in our consultations
Thu Jun 23 14:28:50 PDT 2011
welsh_gas_doc
welsh_gas_doc: @AndyRKett @lizzyferret No I'm not. Simply saying that pharmacists don't need to be a member of the crash team. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:28:55 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@welsh_gas_doc @r_hian my goodness - what he said I said - deffo not the case! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:29:18 PDT 2011
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AndyRKett
@welsh_gas_doc and why not ? #meded (this isn't my idea i would just like to add i simply agreeed with the idea)
Thu Jun 23 14:29:37 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@DrPlumEU sounds good, i do talk for junior docs on managing difficult/annoying/upsetting pts, want some tips 2 make it even better! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:30:06 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@DrPlumEU Interesting suggestions for future #meded chats

Thu Jun 23 14:30:54 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Victoria_W_S well done! give the feedback! give the feedback! we love it! :) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:31:23 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
@amcunningham it might work though- we'll never know unless we try! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:32:01 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@amcunningham: @LizzyFerret thank @nlafferty! I thought I would be indisposed 2n so she got everything started:) #meded Thanks Natalie :)
Thu Jun 23 14:32:04 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@ClaireW62 just so you know- I mistook what @neil_mehta had said- don't think anyone is suggesting play acting! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:32:22 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded Topic (3) @amcunningham portfolios and competency maintenance. My opinion: self-directed learning better than imposed assessment
Thu Jun 23 14:32:33 PDT 2011
MhairiHepburn
thanks everyone! goodnight! #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:32:54 PDT 2011
OneGoodDan
Berwick, Clancy, Bisognano - keep QI/Safety represented in this major poll! http://t.co/Dhyvgpb #ptsafety #hcreform #quality #ihi #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:33:03 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@DrPlumEU I am very interested in portfolios and competency.... this will be a tough session!!! #meded @tobyhillman
Thu Jun 23 14:33:18 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@DrPlumEU @amcunningham - portfolios could make for a very heated #meded chat!!!!!
Thu Jun 23 14:33:47 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@amcunningham Suddenly, now that my eportfolio stuff came through, so am I. Viva naked self interest. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:34:19 PDT 2011
r_hian
@MhairiHepburn: @r_hian yes and nurses can learn a lot about communication from doctors too #meded true
Thu Jun 23 14:34:37 PDT 2011
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cathieb
@amcunningham Me too. Anyone use pebblepad? Thanks for good chat tonight. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:35:04 PDT 2011
amcunningham
Ok folks- do you think we are up to discussing portfolios & competency in next week's #meded chat or will you be running for the hills?? :)
Thu Jun 23 14:35:06 PDT 2011
docshannon
RT @twitjournalclub: The paper for this week's #TwitJC - graduates from different medical schools & their performance in MRCP http://t.co/D4vKiBK #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:35:21 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@Victoria_W_S very good idea to get your facilitator on board- model of good feedback:) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:35:53 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@DrDLittle @bungeechump @welsh_gas_doc #Bangs head against wall at people not listening and gives up# bollocks to #meded in future
Thu Jun 23 14:35:57 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest You should be well prepared for the eportfolio being a Dundee graduate ;) #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:36:05 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@cathieb Are you using Pebblepd at Abertay? #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:36:35 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded Happy to vote for portfolios. Something all of us maintain. Do we trust each other enough to be honest?
Thu Jun 23 14:36:43 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty So I hear! But did you hear that the eportfolio session in the final week turned to outright mutiny? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:36:52 PDT 2011
Neil_Mehta
@amcunningham we have a competency based learning portfolio system with no lectures and no grades in our school. Look forward 2 next #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:36:56 PDT 2011
hullodave
@amcunningham Perhaps a time delay #meded to remove expletives etc?

Thu Jun 23 14:37:17 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
RT @hullodave: @amcunningham Perhaps a time delay #meded to remove expletives etc?

Thu Jun 23 14:37:28 PDT 2011
docshannon
@amcunningham you're a brave woman! #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:37:46 PDT 2011
hullodave
@amcunningham I daresay will be an interesting one. #meded #eportfolios

Thu Jun 23 14:38:09 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett did @kevfrost chip in on pharmacist on crash team? #meded

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Thu Jun 23 14:38:29 PDT 2011
amcunningham
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty Got a little raucous. People got a little anti-portfolio. #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:38:38 PDT 2011
cathieb
@nlafferty Thinking about it but I've not used it before. Do you use that at Dundee? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:38:47 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost Would be interested to chat again re prescribing. Have you seen the Tayside Drug Formulary iPhone app? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:39:52 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest Changes coming to the portfolio - will be moving to eportfolio and more feedback across all 5 years #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:40:52 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
I was refering to specialist trauma not arrest teams just wondered if anyone wants to liten to me on that point, no? ok i'm done ! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:41:14 PDT 2011
neil_howie_uk
Blog on Inter professional Learning, from earlier in the week. > http://bit.ly/mpFzKN #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:41:15 PDT 2011
alasdairforrest
@nlafferty That's a good idea. There is nothing we like more than feedback! We feel it missing. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:42:03 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@cathieb No we don't we're looking at a number of eportfolio options just now and will start pilots probably in September #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:42:34 PDT 2011
wrexhamrob
@kevfrost @amcunningham #meded #ipe browsing-I did Cardiff med Diploma Therapeutics 4pharms, lots medics, very good course.Prof PhilRtldge
Thu Jun 23 14:43:19 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@alasdairforrest I agree, feedback is the area all medical schools could improve on. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:43:46 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
wonder if the next #Meded discussion should be on interdisciplinary communication ?

Thu Jun 23 14:44:12 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
#meded Aussie online tool to improve IPE http://bit.ly/k4ULFl And it is FREE :D

Thu Jun 23 14:45:15 PDT 2011
nlafferty
@kevfrost I'm an Apple geek, but think we should be developing web apps rather than platform specific apps #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:45:39 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@AndyRKett btw medics together results often in strong personalities making strong points. nothing personal. #meded
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Thu Jun 23 14:47:36 PDT 2011
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AndyRKett
i refered to the role of a Pharm in specialist trauma centres, these centres also have Physio and OTs is this pointless too ? #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:48:41 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@amcunningham thats my point no one is listening to me! #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:50:51 PDT 2011
amcunningham
@AndyRKett tweetchats can be really hard- multiple conversations at once... but usually still some value! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:51:38 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@AndyRKett ok I'm a bit lost; I thought you meant Pharm's in the role of receiving trauma team not in a trauma CENTRE as a whole. #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:52:11 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
@LizzyFerret strong personality is no excuse #meded

Thu Jun 23 14:53:07 PDT 2011
DrPlumEU
@AndyRKett Physio and OT have no place in ACUTE trauma care. Great role for rehab as you know #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:53:47 PDT 2011
LizzyFerret
@AndyRKett theres nothing to excuse tho... I think a case of crossed wires in a busy conversation and the constraints of 140 chars! #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:55:18 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
for reference #meded http://bit.ly/iVmz5Z research on pharmacist role in CPR

Thu Jun 23 14:56:48 PDT 2011
cringlem
RT @amcunningham: Ok folks- do you think we are up to discussing portfolios & competency in next week's #meded chat or will you be running for the hills?? :)
Thu Jun 23 14:58:23 PDT 2011
AndyRKett
looks like there is quite a few research papers that suggest better pt outcomes where pharmacist involved in resus #meded
Thu Jun 23 14:58:57 PDT 2011
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Hello everyone - tonight's #meded chat is on interprofessional education

@nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic for tonight's #meded

RT @alasdairforrest: @nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic for tonight's #meded

@nlafferty I am lurking... may get a chance to post #meded

@Neil_Mehta Hello Neil - good to have you lurking #meded

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I am having connection issues! Anne Marie, GP in Cardiff #meded

Alasdair Forrest, medical student (until graduation tomorrow) @DundeeUniv . #meded

@MhairiHepburn Hi Mhairi we're chatting about interprofessional education tonight #meded

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@alasdairforrest #meded Glad to hear that (I think) ;-)

@amcunningham Thanks, Will lurk a wee bit :) #meded

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@carlylou well watch and learn:) #meded #meded

@amcunningham I suspect IPE could be improved in most places #meded

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@MhairiHepburn We should take a look at that #meded

@welsh_gas_doc medical specialties? #meded #meded

@DrDLittle at same level? of course? is it better postgrad? #meded #meded

@welsh_gas_doc So true! #meded

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@hullodave how could it be improved? #meded

yes, an important point. @welsh_gas_doc #meded

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company #ipe #meded

@topknife1 does doctor always lead a resus team? #meded

@cringlem Absolutely agree. #meded

@amcunningham @topknife1 In theory, no. In practice, yes. #meded

RT @drsarahjonas: @amcunningham great as part of work team, did paeds ward

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students work through them & then co (cont) http://deck.ly/~wQ2xi

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@loriblack when do you think you've had IPE? #justasking :) #meded

RT @welsh_gas_doc: Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses

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and assistants does work quite well though. #meded

Keep forgetting the bloody hashish. #meded

@DrDLittle Use Tweetchat, it adds the hashtag automatically #meded

Bloody autocorrect I meant hashtag NOT hashish #Meded

@nlafferty ah! Interesting! #meded

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RT @DrDLittle: Bloody autocorrect I meant hashtag NOT hashish #Meded

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@ClaireW62 what was format? #Meded

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@Subintellectual have you any experience of IPE? #meded

@DrDLittle I agree - whole thing depended on session leader #meded

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@silv24 @amcunningham was that useful? #Meded

@alasdairforrest No substitute for face to face work then! #meded

@Neil_Mehta I am the woman of the tough questions!! :) #meded

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#meded thinking back, I didn't do any formal IPE as a student.

@patlockley Do medical students get involved in this with them? #meded

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@alasdairforrest Gosh, I hadn't heard that, will need to check. #meded

@cathieb Didn't know that! #meded

#meded - Healthcare Twitter Transcript

#meded - Healthcare Twitter Transcript