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FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT Transcription of Robyn Adams
Conducted by: SA Chris Woehr FDLE Case #: OR-73-1749 Date: February 12, 2010
CW: Chris Woehr / CB: Chuck Broadway /RA: Robyn Adams
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Special Agent Chris Woehr with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. I'm at the TCI Tallahassee Correctional Institute, urn, it is February 12th, 2010. It's approximately 11:04 a.m. Uh, with me in the room is Special Agent Supervisor Chuck Broadway and ma'am can you state your name? Robyn Adams And can you spell your name for transcription purposes? R-O-B-Y-N A-D-A-M-S Okay, uh, we're here in reference to an assist, urn, investigative assist for the State Attorney's Office of the 9th Judicial Circuit. Okay, urn, let me start by saying, urn, if you don't mind, urn, based on a little bit on what we talked about earlier if you could raise your right hand for us. And Mrs. Adams to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in this interview? Yes. Okay, urn, before we get started with what we came here to talk to you about urn we just want to let you know that all we're after is the truth you know whether or not... We've been asked to come here to be an impartial judge of the information you may have urn we're not interested in you embellishing any information that you have to try to help us. If the information you have happens to help the State Attorney's Office, the prosecution in this case or the defense team, so be it. All we're interested in is getting at the truth and we want to be clear that urn no one is directing you provide information that this information was brought forth um voluntarily, okay. Is that safe to say? Well, sure, yea. You brought it to me, I didn't bring it to you so because if its voluntarily.. Well the information, How it, I'm talking about how you obtained the information, I mean you know that was.. That's true ..did nobody directed you to obtain the information? Okay, um, let's start with just give us some background, how did the information, how did this whole thing start? Casey and I were together in uh L dorm. Okay now you're talking about Casey Anthony and L Dorm being in Orange County Jail. Mm huh. Okay. And we we're together urn across the, across the bay area from one another and that's how I first met her...was through the glass window. Okay, what kind of interaction was there? I mean how did you meet if you behind, how does that work? 2
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We would signal to each other and talk to each other through hand gestures. Okay, can you describe some of those for us or show us? Um well I, are you okay, you know just little things like that and she'd say yes. Okay, were you introduced by anybody? No. So basically your introduction was that you could just see each other? Yes. And what was the proximity, like how far apart were you guys? Urn distance wise, I don't know. We were a good distance away maybe from here to the oak I guess. I don't really approximate distance. Are you describing you to the window here? Oh no we were far. Okay. We we're a good distance away. Like from here to the tree? Urn huh. Okay that's probably.. Maybe yea. Fifty feet, hundred feet. Um I'm a little hazy on the dates so let me um just try to narrow down the dates a little bit with you. Casey was already in the Orange County Jail when you arrived? Right. Okay and is it uh the correct date, were you introduced into the Orange County Jail on July 22, 08? Urn, I was arrested on the 21st. Okay But perhaps it would have been early hours of the 22".
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When they arrested you, you were brought straight to the Orange County Jail? No, Seminole County. Okay so you were in Seminole County first and then transported down there. It could have been a day but it was right around the 22nd. How long after, how long after the 22' that you came in did you meet Casey? Not right away. Not right away? Not right away. A couple days, couple weeks, couple months? It was, it was probably maybe I don't know. I would say there was some days in-between because I had to move rooms to go upstairs and she was still downstairs I think she had even left and back. Okay urn when did, how did the relationship between you guys progress? It progressed because we didn't have anyone to talk to. Okay and.. We were the only stationary people in that whole area. Okay. And both of our presence were very consistent. You said stationary people in that area, are you referring to the L dorm area? Mm huh. People come and go all the time, unfortunately, we never did. We were always there. We were both in the same status so we weren't able to develop some type of communication with each other in the sense that, I guess we were both just looking for some type of stability and that's how it started. I never looked at her the same way other people did. How did other people look at her? Other people um that were there with her, she got scrutinized pretty badly. Talking about other inmates? Yes. Very badly. And how did you look at her?
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I looked at her as a person that didn't need to be stereotyped from what the media was making her out to be. I didn't want anybody to look at me the way the media made me out to be. Would you say you guys were friends? We developed a uh, yea we developed a friendship over time. And early on did this, did this friendship and or communication when it started were there any motives on your part or did it just happen? No, there were no motives on anything except for having some one to talk to. Okay so it wouldn't be accurate if someone were to say that you developed a friendship with her for the purposes of seeking attention because of the... Absolutely not. Because of all the attention brought to her case? Absolutely not, the lower the profile for me the better. Okay. I don't, I never even asked for this to come to me. Did it ever.. If I wanted the attention I would of come to you to begin with. Did it ever at that time cross your mind or did you ever think that you might be able to benefit from you friendship with her. I never really thought of it that way. I have and I still do have um my own problems that I'm dealing with of being away from home. I never really thought that it would be anything but temporary communications. Um how long did the hand gestures and the verbal or face to face communication go on before the written communication started? Well, we were... the hand communication through the glass windows, that went on for a little bit of time and then I got moved to a room urn I got moved to a different room on the other side for that purpose, so that we wouldn't communicate. Okay so it was kind of a disciplinary action? I don't know if it was disciplinary or if it was more precautionary. Okay so but you're but the CO's, the Correctional Officers in there did not want you communicating, so they moved you?
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I don't know if that was the real reason for it but that was the reason why I moved. Okay but that... So I couldn't talk to her then. And you... I was unable to talk to her through hand gestures at that point. and you didn't request it. No. Were you upset that you couldn't communicate with her anymore? Not really. I mean... Not really I wasn't upset with it, you know. But it's safe to assume or safe to say that that movement, your reassignment prevented you with having any face to face contact with her. Right And that actually was obviously the CO's actions, the moved you and prevented you. But people made friends all the time. Okay. So to say that was this whole purpose of the move, I can't give you a definite answer. Okay but the move was definitely precipitated by CO's.. Yea And as a result whether it was the purpose or not, as a result you didn't have anymore face to face. Right Okay um you know there is a lot of talk in these, in this correspondence. I went through all these, I took me forever to read all this stuff and um there is reference to these vent talkers as you guys call them or as she calls them. Explain to me what, what, I kind of got an idea from reading 'em but I can't get a mind's eye on how that worked. Probably because I haven't been to the location. People stand on the sinks or the toilets and they talk through the vents to each other. It's the same ventilation system so your voice carries through the vents. Okay did you guys ever speak that way? Was there a reason why you didn't?
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We couldn't. Okay. so not everybody could hear everybody? Urn you could, it was mainly because you would have to talk really loud to communicate with someone that was at that distance. Did you guys form a bond quickly? uh-uhh (no) But did it become stronger over time? Mm huh. Um you know going through some of this stuff I think a lot of 'em were and I'm going to ask you to take a look at 'ern and see if maybe you can date them and give us an idea but based on when they were being sent uh it was my understanding you would collect them for a little while and then mail them to your friend on the outside?
I did that with, yes.
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Okay and then based on those dates a lot of them were its indicated they were written sometime before October of 2008. So from July, I mean when did the notes.. I don't know, I can't give you a definite, I don't recall. Okay do you know how long the hand signs and everything went on before you started? Well till I got moved um and I can't give you a definite date of that either but I'm certain that.. Okay where did you get moved to, which room or cell? L27. L 27 and which one where you in before that? 19...19. Okay urn how did you guys determine that you were able to pass notes? She, I was upstairs and I was just looking through the window overlooking the bay area and she held up a book and pointed to me and she get this book it's on the book cart. Where was she at the time? Taking her shower. Okay.
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And getting the book out of the book cart um she had shower time and you'd get an hour and she would go to shower, pick out some books and put her books that she had previously taken back on the shelf and that's what she was doing and then she told me, told me to get the book which put on the shelf, which I did. Okay so that night you went when it was your turn, you went down and got the book and found the note in there. Mm huh. Okay and then you put your note in there and that's how they went back and forth. So you were only... Then... You were only exchanging notes everyday or every other day or... Sometimes it would be every other day, sometimes it would be couple days it just depends. Okay. It really just depends, I can't really give you a definite timeframe of things. Okay when did you, when did it occur to you that you should start sending these notes somewhere? Um well I sent everything home to tell you the truth. Like what do you mean by everything? Everything from tags off of my shirts to notes that I got from Casey to letters I got from the outside urn new friendship network forms from the outside in, just support. Urn I kept everything, I kept everything. Um some things, some notes at the very beginning I can't really tell you if I did keep them or not. Okay. Urn that was a long time ago. There is reference in these letters to flushing. Yea That was I guess her way of destroying them? Right. I mean flushing them down the toilet obviously. Right.
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Probably a lot of the notes you sent her were flushed by her? Probably. Did you flush any or did you keep every single one. I can't say that I kept every single one urn I can't tell you that the beginning notes, If I kept them or not I really don't remember. I'm sure that I did flush a couple though. I don't... Was it like a uh bolt of lightening or a light bulb go off that all the sudden one day you said, man I should start keeping these notes. Yep... And what was, tell me about that moment. Um it was more of urn just a way to... Cope? No, not necessarily cope, it was more of a means of um this is a part of my life, this whole situation is part of my life and the people in it that have impacted my life was also part of the direction of which I'm going to go. It could either be good or bad, the friendships long way to relationships, the communication I've had with people and where my heart was at that time. Was it ever part of your though process either A, I'm going to use this correspondence to strong arm the US Attorney to getting me a better deal? No. Was it ever enter your mind that I'm going to keep these letters and sell them one day or write a book and profit from it? Profit never really, it never really came up at that point because most of those letters were written before I was even sentenced. Okay. Urn had I had intentions of bringing it to, bringing my communication with Casey into the light or surfacing that information I would of done it at that time to help me, my intentions were never that. Okay Which brings me to the point now which that I didn't come to you. Sure. Let's talk a little bit about how we came together. You've said it a couple of times, I didn't come to you. Right.
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Um it wasn't your intention for us to come talk to you? I never had, I never put it past that you wouldn't come talk to me at some point. Okay. I just never asked for it. And you weren't surprised then? Is that safe to say, were you surprised when someone showed up? No. Okay urn tell me a little bit about, if you don't mind um Tracy, the person that you've written letters to and I gather that these letters were sent to. Mm huh. How did that happen? I mean is she a relative, just a close friend, something more? She is my very best friend? Okay how long have you known Tracy? Years. Okay urn best friend on the whole planet, right? I mean no one you trust more. I trust another friend as equally as I do her. Okay as far as Tracey's concerned you starting mailing these letters, did you give her any instructions? No Like save, save these for me, I want them when I get out or if anything happens to me.. Keep 'em, That was pretty much it. Okay so how did it get to the point where you're sending them to her, keep these, to where we are today? Um. Was that your idea or her idea or someone else's idea? No, I told her to hang on to these um just hand on to 'em, it's apparently has turned out to be a bigger case then what it was suspected actually to be.

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Okay and then, so how did, how did we get the letter, how did Orange County get the letters, I know how I got them, I know how we got 'em but how did Orange County come across getting them from Tracy? Well, from what I understand is this stemmed from a girl that was also in the same dorm as Casey and I and she came to or she went to, her name was Maya. Okay. Maya Dirkovic, the Orange County Sheriff's Office where she is currently serving a sentence, a long sentence. She went to, I believe it was Yuri Melich in reference to some information on this case. Yuri came to me a couple of weeks ago and said, this is what happened, this girl brought your name into this, we need to talk. Uh, I guess Maya told him that there were letters which you know how. Okay, what was your response to Yuri when he came to you and said this? I don't, it was probably the same response that... I mean did you try to hide it? Did you try to lie about it? Were you upset? I was upset. Who were you upset with, Orange County or were you upset with Maya or someone else? Um, I'm a little upset at the circumstance, you know um it bothers me a little bit that I'm settling into a whole chapter of my life and someone that's potentially trying to get out of their long sentence, just looking for a way out and they feel the need to bring my name into it. Is that how you perceived it? Yes. That Maya was looking for a deal? Yes, that's exactly how I see it. Okay, urn so you're upset that your business is out there now? Yea. And that this, this stuff is personal between you and someone else and you don't appreciate everybody knowing your business now. Is that accurate? Well with some respect it is. Um, the communication that I have with Casey was just that, it was temporary. I got moved on August 7t11 to come to a Federal Prison. My only concerns right now are my kids and the well being of my children and family. Mm huh, that's because you're a good mom. Yea, I like to think so.
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Sure, what, have you talked or corresponded with urn anybody about these letters since Yuri came? Just my parents. Is that it, just your parents? What did they have to say about this? Um that, just do the right thing. Did they tell you what the right thing was or did they leave it up to you to have, they think you have a good enough moral base to know what the right thing is? And what is the right thing? I mean, I'm here Okay. Urn, let's talk hypothetically for a minute. Um hypothetically speaking Maya never goes to Orange County, what happens with these letters and when? Uh I'm not sure, I'm not sure what would happen. Are you surprised your friend never did anything with them. No. Because you told her not to and you trusted her? I trusted her, I trusted her. I mean I'm a little surprised you know I'm a lot surprised, I'm a lot surprised at this stuff given the nature of this case against Casey uh Casey, this would just be like. There's never really... I mean... She's never discussed the case. Yea but just anything, anything related it seems to be you know media fodder you know and they think its important or interesting or you know want to put it you know out there so yea I'm a little surprised. What...um... I suspected that you probably would be. Yea, so that just goes to speak to the friendship you have with this person. Have you written any letters to her or gotten any from her reference this? Reference the developments that Orange County has come? Are you upset at her for turning them over? No, I told her to. Okay based on what your parents told you. Okay
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I don't know what's going with this case. I don't watch the news here and if I do its local and it's, I have no idea what's going on with her. Up until a couple of weeks ago, Yri told me that she was charged with the check fraud, I don't know what's going on. Even when I was at Orange County Jail I didn't really know except for what she told me. Okay, what kind of things did she tell you now that you brought that up? As far as? Just as far as like anything. What kind of things did she talk to you about besides what's in the letters? I'm sure this is just a little snap shot of what you guys talked about. We talked about a lot of things. We talked about her family, how she grew up. We talked about how she was dealing with things now. Talked about her relationships. About her dreams her goals. Talked about a lot of things. Okay. Um, that...yea What did she tell you about her family? Her, how far back do you want me to go? From when she was born. Um, from what I remember she lives with her mom and dad. Her brother Lee is engaged or was engaged or has a long steady girlfriend. Um her dad was law enforcement in Ohio. Her mom worked in a hospital and worked with Jewett Orthopedics. And we started talking, we talked about a lot of things. About how she, how she grew up, talked about some personal things that she had gone through as she was growing up, her and her brother Lee are pretty close. I know one of the letters references urn some sexual abuse at the hands of family members. Um how did that strike you? Was did you believe her or... Yea Did she give you any details about what had happened? Or when it happened? She was younger uh as she went through a lot with her brother, a lot with her dad. That's hurtful, that's hurtful, I mean I could never relate to something like that, you know. It just... How did she seem to deal with it? Urn well a lot of times when we weren't able to talk face to face we would talk through the letters and the next time I would talk to her I just had no idea you had to go through something like this and she would just, she wasn't too crazy about going, rehashing things that had happened in the past but that time she was really either she froze up or just didn't want to talk about it.
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Mm huh. And I understand. I guess when you're a victim of abuse like it's not really something you want to relive. I understand that, I never really pressed her for it. But you believed her? Sure, I believed her. Um you just kind of touched on it, about talking face to face, how did that occur? Yea, I'm not sure if I'm ready to answer these questions yet. Okay let me see here um well let me ask you this, did she ever talk to you about Zenaida? Mm huh. What did she tell you about Zenaida? Zenaida as referenced in one of the letters, there are two things One, Zenaida wasn't, there was no Zenaida. Okay, did she tell you that? Zenaida was a childhood friend, is this correct from the letters? Is that what letters said? Well there's um there's several different references in the letters, so that's why I was just kinda trying get your opinion on why they were inconsistencies about it, about what you thought. Urn, when Casey and I talked...some things were just better left on paper or she felt more comfortable writing about things then speaking... Mm huh. To me about them. Either I really don't know the reason for that. When we did talk we didn't always talk about her case, in fact we would only talk about it if I had a question or she felt like she needed to open up about it. She didn't talk to anybody and she felt like anyone who did talk to her about things were pressuring her to answer so many questions and I believe that I was just an outlet for her to be normal. Do you think she cared about you? Yea Or you were just the one that was there?
I think I was just the one that was there and she didn't know anybody else. She felt like even her family had turned on her.
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I don't know the other, I know there's Jose Baez..

That's the main one, everybody knows him.
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Right and then there's another Jose that's younger. Okay so we'll just call him Jose "two" if it comes up in our conversation today, that's fine with you? Okay, so you think Jose Baez told her about obviously she's getting news from home through him and you think that... She didn't have any other form of communication. She wasn't, she didn't have visits, she didn't have, she didn't make phone calls. Is that why she felt her family abandoned her? No she felt like they, I'm not sure she felt like they abandoned her I guess, she felt very betrayed. Betrayed? Toward them because I know they were instances where she was very upset that her mom Cindy went urn went to talk to uh I guess it was part of her court hearings because she was someone else doing a talk show and she felt like she was betrayed by the surrounding media and the focus is not where it should be. Okay and where in her mind should it have been? Right, with her? With her. Not on Caylee. She did have concerns about searching for Caylee. Okay. She talked about it a lot. You guys, you guys were never given access to any media, news or anything like that? I would go out, I don't know about her but we went out at different times. I always went out late... after ten o'clock. Okay. Urn I know that if a big break in the case happened then they would stop, they wouldn't turn the news on in the dorm area so we didn't have volume anyway. Okay um did you ever have any contact with the Anthony family? Contact like visits or... Yea or even third party, you know like did you ever get any correspondence from them? No, I never received correspondence from them. 16
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What about your family? I sent a letter to Cindy one time telling her that Casey is really upset about some things and she really needs the support of her mom. Okay. And no response? Did Casey ever indicate that she ever said anything to her about your letter? Casey read the letter before I sent it. Oh, she did? Did Casey put you up to sending the letter? Did you guys get, either...find out about it or any of her attorneys ever give her the information and if so how did she react to all the information that came out about when the meter reader? Uh, yea, I remember that. Okay what happened with that? She um, well there were two instances that happened. The first one was bogus. That was when they did the dive at Blanchard Park. Tell me about Blanchard Park and what do you mean bogus? Well Casey, I saw the news that night um I saw the news that night. It was ten o'clock news on Fox news and something like that urn I was surprised to see that my confidential informant David Badali on the news and just the guys that set up our case and I see him on the news. Of course that's what caught my attention I didn't even know what was going on at that point. Turns out that he was leading the dive, the search team at the search and recovery at the river, Blanchard Park. Okay. They found a bag of bones and they were concerned about that urn that turned out to be bogus and I waited and I talked to Casey that night and I told her kind of like how I would talk to anybody, dude they just found a bag of bones, I guess they found something in Blanchard Park and she kinda, her reaction to that was "it's not my daughter". Is that what she said to you? Mm huh. And was it, it's not my daughter like in denial or she knew it wasn't her daughter because she knew her daughter couldn't of been there. What was your opinion of what, I mean how did you interpret it. Kind of like she wasn't even concerned because she knew her daughter was somewhere else. Um hmm, She kinda, she kinda, kinda, I mean it just sounds so harsh when I say this she kinda giggled, in just... not in like an evil way, she just kind of like.. .its not my kid, its not my daughter. There was no...
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Did that take you back? Yea Did it make you look at her differently? A little bit. I mean because kinda on that note, one of these letters that you wrote to your friends stuck out to me and uh I wouldn't be able to find it. I wouldn't be able to find it right now but its stuck out so much I know exactly what you wrote and you wrote you know uh I'm sitting in here missing my kids, all I think about are my two kids and all she writes about is going to Costa Rica. Is that about the same time, did you start putting together these things at that point in time because I know just from the hour that I've been here with you, you know you've been crying because you miss your kids, she didn't have that same reaction as you? Did you think she was a different type of mother then you? Well, I can't... I mean, mothers know these things. I know that, it's just that, its been almost two years since I've been taken into a whole other world it seems like and uh my kids are growing up without me regardless whether its been two years, two months or two weeks, yea. I'm sitting in a confined space at that point all I can think about are my kids, what are they doing? What are they wearing? Are they eating? Are they depressed? Are, what's going through there minds? Are they coping okay? How are they doing? I could give less of a shit about going to Costa Rica. So you thought that was odd, to say the least? Well when your sitting County Jail and she's being scrutinized for murder...Do you think it's a little odd? I think its very you know, when I read that I'm like I'm right on the same page as Robyn because that's what any parent or anybody who cares about kids you know would be thinking. This form of communication between Casey and I is only circumstantial. It's all because of circumstance. But it happened for a reason. Sure everything does. Exactly and you know uh things happen in urn mysterious ways. Let me let you just to make sure I want you to take a look at this and you can read them or thumb through them or do whatever you want to do an just let me know if I don't want you to you know look at them and say what, these aren't my letters. Are these, are these the letters that you recognize or have I been the victim of some major fraud? (laughing) 18
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In Orange County? Mh huh. Okay, friends with Casey? No. Would she have information regarding what we're talking about? I don't know if she would have, it wasn't, like the only person that only had contact with her like communication like was me. I guess that's what I'm asking.
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Oh, none. And we've already talked about the sexual abuse as it pertains to Lee and the father but you have no information as to any sexual even allegations of about anything improper with baby. No. Okay you have any questions? Can I ask you another personal question? Sure? Sure. Promise you won't go off on me? Um did yours and Casey relationship ever rise to another more then friendship? Absolutely not. No. Okay. I know what you're getting at and no it never did. Okay, you understand why I'm asking right? Right. Okay. Everything that we talked about today from zero to a hundred percent, how much have you told me of what you know about Casey? There's different aspects to that cause I think things I talked to you about today is more just answering questions um I feel like I've gotten to know this person very well. So based upon what I know, what you told me today, what percent do I know of everything you know about Casey? Eighty percent, fifty percent? About eighty. Eighty. Seventy five, eighty. Seventy five to eighty. Is there is the other twenty/twenty five percent just cause I haven't asked any questions or is it just because your not ready to give me that other twenty five percent? There's a lot that... Or it's just not relevant. Well again I don't know what's relevant and what's not, I didn't think these would be relevant. Is there any way we are going to get to a hundred percent today.
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Conducted by: SA Chris Woehr FDLE Case #: OR-73-1749 Date: March 4, 2010
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This is Special Agent Woehr with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement at the T-C-I in Tallahassee reference follow up interview for case number OR-73-1749, follow up to an interview that was conducted same location on February 12th, 2010. Present in the room is Special Agent Supervisor Charles Broadway, Robyn Adams and counsel for Robyn Adams, Mr. William Bryan. Today's date is March 4, 2010 it's approximately eleven-eleven hours. Okay Ms. Adams if you could raise your right hand for us, do you swear everything your going tell us today is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Okay basically we'll just um start of the way we started off last time uh letting you know that we're here. Our role here is to obtain the truth in reference to the information that you have um we're basically here in search of the truth whether that truth assists the defense in the case or the prosecution in the case. We've been asked, as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, to come in and obtain the truth from you as and independent agency, not really involved in the case at hand. We've had very limited action in the case, its uh mainly being had been investigated by Orange County Sheriff's Office so that's why we came in to keep everything um clean and unbiased as possible okay. Chuck is there anything that you want to go on the record saying before we start? No sir. What about you Mr. Bryan, is there anything that you want to go on the record with prior to us starting? No. Okay um I just go on the record real quick and say before we started this taped interview Mr. Bryan and Ms. Adams were afforded the opportunity to um discuss their business without uh Mr. Broadway or I present to the conversation. Okay, urn, Robyn basically where will start is um you remember the interview we had a few weeks ago on February 12th? I do. Okay at the end of that interview I asked you a question um and the question was out of all the information you had for us, if you had to put a percent on it, how much you told us, you said 75 to 80 percent indicating that you still had a little bit of information retained. Okay, I then asked you um what it would take for you to give us the rest of the information, you indicated that you wished to have counsel prior. Um, in the time since February 12th, I upheld my end of the bargain and called your father, I don't know if he told you that. Your father had already um initiated finding for counsel for you and that's where we're at today. Right. Okay what we're here to do today is there is a couple of things in the interview that we went over last time and this what I'm looking at here is just a transcript of everything that was said um there's just a couple of things I want to follow up on and then when we're done following up on that I would like to basically get the rest of the information, the 25 percent. Okay.
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Okay? We've already discussed how paramount it is for you to be completely honest with us regardless of, urn, who your testimony may affect. Okay there is several people that it may affect. It may affect urn individuals currently incarcerated at the Orange County Jail. It could affect based on what you told us last time um a person or persons currently employed at the Orange County Jail. Okay, um, I just wanted to tell you how important it is regardless of how it may affect them adversely or not, how important it is be completely honest with us, okay? Okay Okay the first thing I wanted to follow up on was um you had discussed the time frame and uh the information when you and Casey had, urn, learned that Caylee's remains had been found. And we just wanted to follow up on that and get, see if we could pin down a specific time frame and also um just more details about how that information was relayed to Casey and also how Casey related information to you. Okay? Urn Hmm. Basically what you told us last time was that Casey told you that um and I'll just quote what you said. "They found remains, somebody had found remains urn by a meter reader or a power guy or something like that urn and they were taking the remains that belonged to a baby that belonged to the baby and taking it to have DNA done". You also indicated that uh and I'm still quoting you "they found remains and they found it in a bag, It was a black bag, a garbage bag". I asked if there was anything else in the bag and you indicated that there was baby blanket... Um hmm Do you still stand by that information? I do Okay do you remember when Casey learned this information? Specific date? No. Okay can you put it into any kind of frame of reference as far as time? Like if you can correlate it to urn how soon after the discovery was made, that she had this conversation with you. It was shortly after. It wasn't the same day but it was shortly after. Okay now when you say shortly you're talking about a day, a week, a month? No I'm talking within a day or two. Okay...and... That, the night, the day she found out, I believe it was the chaplain, there was a big deal about the chaplain coming to tell her uh and not Jose and when she is, I, she felt like they were being forced that it was being forced on her and it made her very upset that it wasn't somebody like that it was just jail staff. 3
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signaled that I was praying for her. She signaled back thank you and that was pretty much the extent of our first contact. CW: RA: Okay. Or communication rather. From there on anytime she would go to take a shower or something and I was, I happened to be you know in sight of her, she would wave and I would wave and it just became friendly you know like she was there was a lot of scrutiny toward her, people would yell at her. People are pretty harsh and they would yell pretty bad remarks at her so having a friendly face in the window even in the darkest of places seeing a smile is always nice and um... It's not that I supported her or against her. I wasn't anybody to judge anyone. I was in jail myself but I think she looked at me in a different way then she looked at other people because I didn't say those things I didn't do those things and in her eyes I guess I was nice to her. Urn, then I was moved to a different cell, shortly after. I moved to a corner cell on the opposite side and I was then on the same side she was except that I was upstairs again and she was downstairs all the way on the other end. And that's when we started writing letters. She, even number cells went out during the day, daytime. Odd number cells went out at night. Because Casey and I were both protective custody we were only allowed out by ourselves. So she would take a shower in the morning, the book cart would be rolled over towards the shower sometimes. Sometimes it wouldn't be but um she would bring out a stack of books, she read a lot. She would bring out a stack of books, put them back on the book cart and then take another stack out and put them back. We always used the same book to go back and forth with and we used the same book for a very long time. And which book was this? It was a green book, hardback and it was called Do Away With August and it was, there wasn't anything on the cover but on this side of it, it said Do Away With August and it was blue bold writing. How was that initiated? That encounter there with the book? I, um, was at the window and she was taking err going into the shower, she had just come out of the shower but I was at the window and urn when I say window its like the door window and it's, it overlooks the day area, the day room and she was down there and I waved to her urn she was holding up this book, the green book and she says, she's pointing at the book and I thought she was telling me to read the book and I had drawer full of books already I didn't want to read it and so I didn't get it, I didn't really hit me that there was a note in there because of the fact I didn't talk anybody. So the next morning she goes out, picks up the same book, she points at the book again and she said, she signaled she wrote it, it's in the book in the cart. So okay so that night when I came out I picked up the book and there was a note and I wrote back and it's been that way ever since and that's just how we communicated to each other. Okay how long before you guys actually having personal contact with each other after the writing started? It was more of when I came out at night I would sit in the day area and watch TV or in the day room and watch television there um sometimes I would go out until the TV room which was a classroom and I would just sit there or I would help the Officers sometimes I would help clean the showers and stuff like that um I always tried to help out as much as I could, as 8
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To let this happen like compensations so to speak? Absolutely not. There was no gain in it for her, I could respectfully say that she was just, she treated me as a person. She treated Casey as a person. Two people that were stuck in confinement for two totally separate, completely separate reasons. Both of us were just in the same dorm for a long period of time in confinement and Casey and I desired to have communication. So at this point, lets reiterate, at this point in your interaction with Casey can you go in to that days, times, how long? I was there July 21St and I left on April 7th that morning our relationship of like relationship I use that term very loosely um you know first of all it was circumstantial, we didn't know each other prior we don't have any type of relations outside of just communication and it was between those timelines. I think what Chuck is asking is more along the lines is how frequently and how long you were actually spending time together. Um I came out of my cell at night because it was an odd number. Was it a specific time? Usually it was after um usually it was after they made rounds and that was uh I had to come out after everyone else was done showering. After everyone did their showers, the rest of the dorm because that's where everyone is in lock. So they're there for disciplinary. So the way its set up is they have the disciplinary urn and then they have the protective custodies and then I think they even have medical in there too and pregnant girls were in there too so out of the thirty two cells um Casey and I were the only protective custody inmates there for a long period of time. Some people were protected custody that came in and out.. How often were you able to spend? You said that Shannon was allowing you to go in the same room with Casey. Well we would talk to each other though the bean hole and it was open and um we would every night that she was on shift. We would talk and we would talk for hours. In the same room or through the hole, gradual.... Through the bean hole, yea. Sometimes I would sit on the stairwell and we would talk because the stairwell was here right next to her. Were their times where you actually were in the same cell together? (Pause) Yea. and I've never been to where this is so I don't know the physical layout but it seems to me like there would be other CO's that would be able to observe this. I mean was Shannon the only one on the floor? I mean could you see this from the control room urn I mean clearly other guards had to know what was going on right?
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I'm not sure that they did. Okay. I'm not sure that they did. Did it get to a point that was very frequent that Shannon was allowing you in actual same dorm with Casey? (indicating no) How many times would you say you were allowed to be in the dorm with her alone? Approximately? Once. Just the one time and all the other contact was through an open door or... Bean hole. Bean hole. A little slot. And why was it that you were in protective custody? My husband um my husband was a narcotics Detective. So it had more to do with his status then yours? Our case was, my case and Casey's case happened around the same time frame. Her's was a little bit before ours. My case or our case rather was pretty high profile because it was a local Officer that had you know had drug charges now and that in and of itself was pretty... But it wasn't by anything that you did while you were on the floor. No, absolutely not. Okay. Chuck you have any other questions? Anything else in reference to Shannon allowing you to do things urn that are against policy, against the law within the jail? No. Did you ever observe anything not necessarily by Shannon but by any maybe by any the other guards that you can construe as misconduct? No. Any of the other CO's, any sexual relations with the inmates? Something like that?
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No, none. Including Shannon? Including Shannon. So the relationship with either you and Shannon or Shannon and Casey or you and Casey there was no sexual element to that at all. Right it was strictly because I strongly believed that she just felt bad, she felt bad. There was nothing for her to gain out of it except for being human and having someone to talk to someone and she's been there, she was there the whole time I was in there. What do you think caused that connection between you guys? Casey and I? No Shannon and you. In general I can get along with anybody. I can strike up a conversation with anybody and urn I've always been that way. I am I don't know I guess I like to talk. I like to talk I like to be around people, I like to, I guess that's it. I don't really have an explanation for it. Okay is that the person we know as Shannon? No. No? (No) Alright any other... If you saw a photo of Shannon would you be able to identify her? You know her last name? Hernandez. Anything else you want to cover? Anything else in regards to the you giving us a one hundred percent reference to jail, the CO's. Casey and I called her Shannon um and that's very difficult for me because I guess in a way I feel like morally speaking I'm just so grateful for the time I was given and the lenience that was given to me and I just feel, I feel horrible because I don't want anything bad to happen to her I really don't. She is a great person, she really is and I just really hope everything works out for her and she's... Have you had any contact with her since you've been moved?
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Mb huh. (yes) Letters? Mh huh. (yes) Are they here? Oh no those are long gone. I never even thought, I never even thought of keeping 'em. Long gone like destroyed or mailed to somebody? Like thrown away, I just didn't, at that point I just, I wasn't I never thought that I would see her again you know. So was it a surprise to receive mail from her? Um yea it kind of was because I just thought that I would never hear from her again it just, she impacted my life so much because she always, she was very encouraging. What was the content of the letters after you left, that you received? You're in my prayers, just know that. You're a good person just hang in there, you know just very encouraging words, nothing really out of the ordinary that I wouldn't get from anyone else that really cares. Did she care about or cares about Casey the same way she cares about you, you think? Or was the relationship that you two had stronger. Stronger. Okay. We developed more of urn a friendship, we developed more of a friendship. Has she been here to visit you? No, absolutely not. Um where we at now? How close to a hundred percent are we? Uh Is there anything else? Well what else, what else do you want? Well I mean... You have to push me in a direction here.
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FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT Transcription of Robyn Adams

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