Casey Anthony - Annie Downing 1-6-09 Transcript

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TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ANNIE DOWNING INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL YURI MELICH CASE NUMBER 08-74777 JANUARY 6, 2009 YM CORPORAL YURI MELICH EE CORPORAL WILLIAM "ERIC" EDWARDS LD LINDA DRANE BURDICK, ESQUIRE WL WARREN LINDSEY, ESQUIRE AD MS. ANNIE DOWNING LD: WL: YM: WL: LD: EE: LD: WL: EE: LD: EE: LD: We're on. I said 2009 right (unintelligible). You did. You did. We're on. Ready? Yes ma'am. Alright, uhm, today's date is January 7, 2009. We're at the office of the State Attorney, at 415 North Orange Avenue, OWLando, Florida. My name is Linda Drane-Burdick. I'm the Assistant State Attorney here at the office of Lawson Lamar. Also present in the room is uhm, Detective Yuri Melich with the Orange County Sheriff's Office, and Detective Eric Edwards, also with the Orange County Alright, today's date is January 6, 2009. The time is approximately 1:35 p.m. I still write 8 on.... Thank you. ....2008. I can't....
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Sheriff's Office. Uhm, we have a witness here who will be sworn shortly. Uhm,
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and also uh, with the witness is a lawyer by the name of Warren Lindsey, who came with the witness. Uhm, first of all, if you could state your full name? AD: LD: Annie Leigh Downing. Alright. Ms. Downing, uh, you are here in response to a State Attorney investigative subpoena uhm, that was served on you some weeks ago uh, initially for an appearance to uhm, be here on December 1 1 th of 2008. Uh, events of that day required a postponement, and you are appearing here now today, January
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uh, in response to that same subpoena. Okay, you understand that?
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Yes ma'am. Uh, you brought this, brought a lawyer with you, uh, as well. Have you had the opportunity, or do you feel you had, had the opportunity to uhm, discuss with your lawyer uh, the protections that the investigative subpoena affords you?
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Yes ma'am. Did you have any questions about that.... No.
LD: ... before we begin? Uhm, you understand uh, that your testimony here is being compelled, and that you do not have any uh, right to refuse to answer questions? AD: LD: Yes ma'am. Okay. Uhm, do you also understand that what you tell us will not be held against you uh, unless you provide uh, the false testimony to us? AD: LD: AD: LD: Yes ma'am, I understand. Okay. Are you ready to begin? Yes ma'am. Alright, uhm, one of these detectives will swear you.
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Would you raise your right hand for. me? Do you swear and affirm the statements you're about to give are true to the best of your knowledge?
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Yes sir. Okay. I'm Yuri Melich with the Sheriff's Office. Good afternoon. One of the reasons we wanted to bring you down here obviously is because we're investigating the case of Caylee Anthony. Orange County case number 08074777. Uh, as part of our investigation we've talked to a lot of Casey's friends. A lot of people just know Casey in passing.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). And our ultimate goal was just to get uh, a good idea of what Casey was like before I met her, which was....
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Uh-hum (affirmative).
YM: ... on July 16th . Before I even start asking any questions, let me ask you, why do you think we would want to talk to you about Casey? AD: YM: Because I was one of her best friends at one time. And what information do you think we are going to be asking you about Casey in regards to this case? AD: I don't have the slightest idea. Maybe the type of person she is, or was. YM: AD: YM: AD: EE: Okay. How long have you known Casey? Probably since I was in tenth grade. Okay, and you guys... Which would be, I graduated in '03. Let me simplify this if, if I may for a second. Did you watch any of this on TV? It's hard not to. I mean there's, it's all over the (inaudible). AD: I, I actually don't at all.
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You know, you haven't seen any of it? Uh, no, not, not for the last few months I can't. So if there was anything that you saw and said boy they, if they're curious about that, if they knew this that would make sense to them now. You see what I'm trying to say? Is there anything about her life like you would, that you eluded to there, uhm?
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Uh, I don't quite understand what you're asking me. Is there anything that, that, that uh, you think that we need to know before we start asking our questions. What we're trying to do here is see the level of cooperation or information that you're willing to give us freely before we start asking direct and pointed questions.
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In regards to? Her and her lifestyle and the baby. Uh, I think that the media, whether it's you or the media, has put her out to be somebody who I don't know her to be.
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Okay. But again, we weren't really the best of friends when all this happened. Okay, fair enough. Well we'll go the question route. Okay. Knew each other since tenth grade, went to the same high school together, Colonial High?
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Yes sir. And uh, in your group of friends, who would you say your group of friends were when you guys were going to high school?
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When I was going to high school I wasn't really friends with her. Oh, okay.
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And I, I knew her. I knew who she was. I knew her friends. The people that I, that are my friends now, I didn't really, they weren't my group of friends in high school.
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What was she like in high school? Athlete. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, socially I really didn't know her. Okay, you never went to parties with her or anything like that? No sir. When did you, you say you, before we even started you, I asked you why you thought you were here. You said because you and she were best friends at one time.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). When did you guys become friends, and best friends? (Sighs.) It's '09 now. You want to use a gauge of when the child was born then kind of go from there. Caylee was, it was at the be... Caylee's second birthday was August of oh... , it would have been '07 because '08 she would have been three.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). So the end of '06? So end of The last couple months of '06, the first three to five months of '07. No, because I still went to Caylee's birthday. So the end, end of '06, beginning '07 to a few months after Caylee's birthday is when we were very good friends.
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A few months after Caylee's birthday...
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Second birthday. ...last year in '07? In '07. Okay. Two years ago. Two years ago. So you guys were best friends for about a year roughly? Roughly, yes. And did you ever live together at all? No sir. Where were you living when you first uh, I guess became friends with her? Oh, not, not in high school, you said you became best friends. Where were you living in '06?
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In '06 I was at Sawgrass Apartments. Okay, who were you living with? My ex-boyfriend, Dante Salati. And how long did you live there until? (Sighs.) March of `0...'07 I believe. I'm not exactly sure of the month or the date. But definitely it was March uh, within a couple months of '07. Beginning of '07. Do you know when, do you remember when you moved in there? How long you lived there?
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We resigned a lease in October/November of the year prior. We lived there for a full year. So we renewed our lease and I was only there for a few more months.
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so you renewed your lease in '07? Yes. And, no you....
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No, no, '06.
YM: ... got it in March '07. And you renewed it in October of '06. You were there in say October '05 roughly? AD: YM: AD: Roughly. Okay... October, November.
YM: ... so from 2005, October.... AD: I was there a little bit less than a year and a half. YM: AD: YM: You always live with Dante the whole time? Yes, just me and him. Were there any other of your, of your mutual friends that lived at Sawgrass at the time? AD: He knew somebody that lived there. I don't know their name. Uhm, and I had a friend of mine that lived there briefly when we first moved in. YM: AD: YM: AD: LD: AD: YM: And what's her name? Uhm.... Or his name? Uh, her name was CaWLy Layton. You have her spelling? C-A-R-L-Y I believe. I'm not positive. And then L-A-Y-T-O-N. And she lived in Sawgrass what time period?
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AD: It had to have been when we first moved in because she moved out. YM: AD: YM: So end of '05, beginning of '06? Yes. And what part of Sawgrass did she live in?
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She lived past me. I don't, building number I don't know anything... Towards the back? Towards the front? It was uh, maybe a building or two over from me, but past, towards the back. Go... Yes. Through the front entrance, and past the uh, office? Past where I lived. Around the corner? Past where I lived, a couple buildings down on the first floor. Anyone else that you guys knew as mutual friends that lived over in Sawgrass? Not that I can, not, not that I can recall. What about after you moved out? Did you, uh, aside from Dante who's still living there?
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I've never been back so I don't know if anybody that lives there. So you never went back to Sawgrass at all since you moved out? Not since I moved out. So you haven't been back since March of '07 roughly? Not that I can recall, no. You never went to a party there or.... No sir.
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YM: ... met anyone there? Or just use it as kind of a, a staging area to meet, get in
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No sir. Okay. In the year or so that you were best friends with Casey, how would you describe, uh, how would you describe her? What type of giWL was she? Was
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she a homebody? Did she like to go out and party? What, what was she, what was she like?
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Uh, uh, she appeared to be more of a homebody. Uhm, uh, she, we liked to go shopping. That's what we did. We went shopping. Uhm, you know, I, I, I'm young. I do go out. I do party. And most of the time she wasn't there. With my group of friends.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, she was definitely to me more than a, more of a homebody. So she was best friends with you but you didn't have the same group of friends or?
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No, no, no, we do. We, we do.... Okay.
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Who were your, who were your group of friends when you guys were best friends? Who were your group of friends?
(Sighs.) Sean Daly, I mean I have a huge group of friends. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, Brandon Snow, uh, Jonathan Daly, uhm, my ex-boyfriend, Dante. Uh-hum (affirmative). Corey. lassen. Uh, I'm probably, I'm leaving people out. I, I know that I am. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, Daniel. I, I have a, there's a lot of friends. But a lot of people that we've already talked to uh, in essence. Probably. I don't....
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You're saying your group of... I don't know. ...friends. I don't know who, who you've talked to. So Casey was described as a homebody? Maybe you guys go shopping together? When she...
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And she occasionally did go out. When she did go out what would you guys normally do? What was your idea of a good time?
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Well we'd throw parties, uhm, or go downtown. But that's mainly it. How'd uh, when she went out, as far as drinking, how is she as a drinker? She rarely, rarely got wasted. She most of the time drove so she'd have a beer or two and be done.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). What... When she was around me. What about on her twenty-first birthday party? She got annihilated. Okay. What about uh, what about drugs when you guys went out as far as recreational drugs, whether it be Ecstasy or, or Zanax or, or smoking marijuana, or doing cocaine? Anything like that? Well what do you know that she would do?
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Nothing. She never did anything around me. Okay. What do you know that she would do? I don't know that she's ever done anything.
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She never talked to you or told you that she tried with this, or experimented with this?
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No sir, not to my knowledge. So in the whole time that you guys were best friends, I'm just narrowing it between '06 and '07 now, she never told you hey, I went out, whether you were there or not, or whether you were present or not, she never told you anything about hey, I just popped this? Boy it makes you feel good. Hey, I just took this?
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Not that I can remember, no sir. Did she ever ask you if you had a connection, or could help her with getting any type of drug?
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No sir. Did you ever have, let me rephrase that. When was the last time you ever had a prescription for Zanax?
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Last time I had a prescription for Zanax I was a junior/senior in college. I think more my junior year of college. And I went straight to college out of high school.
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So you graduated '03, so you're talking about '05 is the last time you had a prescription for Zanax?
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'05? Listen I'm not exactly sure. I don't remember the last time I went to that doctor.
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And what were you taking the Zanax for, anxiety or? Yes sir. What doctor was it? Oh, God, I have no clue. Okay.
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I could tell you where the office is. What the doctor's name was I don't remember.
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Where was the office? Uhm, if you take 436 north to Aloma you'd make a left on Aloma. And it's a, the building's on the left hand side. You have to make a U-turn to get to it.
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So it's near Aloma and 436? Yeah (affirmative), it's maybe a block or two down uhm.... On Aloma? On Aloma. If.... East or west? Towards.... It'd be west. Because you'd be going north and make a left, so it'd be west. Okay. I'd have, I mean I'd have to check my insurance to see what the name of the doctor was.
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When uhm, when you had this prescription for Zanax did you ever, oh, did Casey ever ask you for a pill, either for, not telling you where she was going to, what she was going to do with it, but did she ever ask you for a pill or say...
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No sir.
YM: ... hey, do you have any? Did she ever try and buy a pill from you? AD: YM: No sir. What if I told you that she had conversations with people that you had access to Zanax and she was able to get it from you, and she was kind of telling her friends that? What, what would you say to that? AD: It's not the truth. Not for me. (Inaudible).
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Not from you? Is there any other person that you guys know of in your group of friends named Annie that uh, had a prescription for Zanax that you know of?
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I'm the only person that I know of named Annie. I want to show you something that, this is a... off of unallocated clusters. It's uh, there were bookmarks on the top page one. And it's got a case number listed on the left. It's actually her old case number, 08-069208. Take a second if you would and just go ahead and read through this. It's a chat log. It starts off with the first person there is Marie. Uhm, take a second to read that and then tell me when you're done.
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Okay. Do you recognize any of the uh, I'm going to use the word handles, or any of the uh, labels over here as being someone you know?
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Yeah (affirmative), I know Casey's screen name. Okay. Is Casey 0. Marie Casey Anthony's screen name? It's one I've talked to her on, yes. What about Special Agent Jag 4? Do you know who that is? No sir. Okay. We do. We talked to him. And we asked him about this conversation. And he narrowed it down that this took place roughly the middle to end of 2007. And I want to say last year, but I know it's now two years ago. Uhm, does this, the reason I asked you the questions before is based on, partially based on this sheet right over here where it says, "I can hit my friend Annie up for some Zanax." Why would Casey be telling people that she could hit you up for Zanax if you've never given it to her and you're the only Annie we know that had a prescription for Zanax? Why would she say that to people?
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I don't know. Uh, and she knew I had a prescription for it. Whether or not she thought I could, I would give it to her that's beyond me.
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And you're saying you never gave her any Zanax? No sir. Did you ever find any Zanax missing and uh, and thought she may have taken it? I didn't count my pills. I, I didn't know. I, I, I wouldn't be able to tell you the honest truth (inaudible).
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Did you ever suspect her of taking anything from you such as Zanax or pills? No, not to my knowledge. But again, I didn't count my pills. Okay. So.... And it was a, it was a as needed uh, prescription. It wasn't a, I wasn't taking it on a regular basis. So I....
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Did you ever, did you end up taking all the bot... all the pills in the bottle, like.... Yeah (affirmative), I fi... I finished the bottle. You did finish it? Yes sir. The bottle was finished? Uh-hum (affirmative). How long did that bottle last you do you know? I wouldn't be able to tell you. Months. Okay. And again, roughly '05, '06, but we'd be able to check with.... I, I....
YM: ...the doctor? AD: YM: I'd have to check. I.... Could it have been '07?
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(Sighs.) I graduated college in '07. August of '07. No, I don't think so. Uh, I could be wrong. I don't know. I, uh, I don't feel comfortable saying yes, I know for sure, without looking at my medical history.
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Okay. But I, I don't think so. Uh, uh, how, oh, one of the things I, I'd like to ask you, and through your attorney maybe you can help us out, is I'd like to get the name of the doctor who prescribed you the Zanax. So if that's something that you can get to Mr. Lindsey, and Mr. Lindsey....
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YM: ...can give it to me
h... in your own opinion how would you explain Casey saying that?
Uhm.... What, what...
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Okay. Absolutely untrue. So she, she's just pretty much lying, saying that you can, she could hit you up for Zanax and, because uh, you read this, and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me like it's not a hard thing for her to do is just call you up and say hey, give me some Zani's. Or can I have some of this, and you'd be able to provide it. That's what I read into this. Do you read it a different way or...
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No, no, I, I, I, I read it the same way you do, but I.... But this is un... My prescription was for me, not for anybody else.
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This is untrue? You need a break? Yeah (affirmative), okay. I'm going to stop the tape now in just a moment. Hit pause. Alright, what time is it? Just....the time right now is 1:52. Hit play and hit the pause button. Maybe.
(Interview stops and resumes shortly thereafter.) YM: Alright, we're back on tape, and it is uh, 1354. Uhm, in regards, again, in regards to this conversation, you, no explanation other than it was a lie? AD: It's completely untrue. Like it's my prescription, is, was for me and my medical necessity. YM: AD: YM: Okay. And you never gave that pill to, to Casey? No sir, not.... And did you ever give it to anyone, did you ever give Zanax pills of your, from your prescription to anyone else? AD: YM: AD: YM: Yes sir. Okay. Do you know if any of these people ever gave it to Casey? No. So this couldn't have been hey, I could hit up Annie, but in truth, she'd be calling someone to ask you to give it? AD: YM: AD: Yeah (affirmative). I, one person, one time, and that was it. Who was it? And I saw them take it. Who was that?
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Uh, (sighs). It's to... it's not a hard question. Answer, answer every question. Uh, Sean Daly. Okay. I'm not, I'm not here to jam any, uh.... Okay.
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YM: ...to jam Sean up or... AD: YM: And I'm nervous, so (chuckles). Annie, and that's okay. I'm not here to make you nervous. I understand the environment may make you nervous. AD: YM: Yeah (affirmative). But uh, so going back to, to drug use. As far as you know you don't know of any drugs that Casey would have taken? And I focused it on the times between '06 and '07 when you were best friends. Now I'm going to make this over all. In the time that you've known her, you, you, you're, you're tearing up here. AD: I am. YM: AD: YM: What's the matter? I'm just nervous (crying). There's no need to be nervous Annie. We're not here to get anyone into trouble, okay? We're just here to get the truth, alright? LD: YM: LD: YM: AD: Let me see if I can find some more Kleenex for you. You, you need, you need a couple moments? You need a minute or two? (Exits the room and speaks to unknown persons) Anyone have Kleenex? Okay. This is hard for me to understand.
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It's uhm, it's been hard for a lot of people that were Casey's friends. Because a lot of people are, are just like you that have a, a different impression of what she was like and you know, I've talked to several people that said she was a good mother. But uh....
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She was. Un... unfortunately...
AD: I know. YM: ... all these people also said something changed. And, and that's what we're trying to kind of pinpoint down. We're trying to figure out what changed. We're not trying to, to pass blame on another person. We're not trying to say that.... (Ms. Drane-Burdick returns to the room.) AD: YM: Thank you. You know we're not trying to say that Annie did something to make Casey bad, or Annie did something to, to hurt the child. We're not saying that at all. But there are a lot of unanswered questions that we're just trying to, to get answers to and uh, that's all we're here for. So, do you know of any uhm, has , has, had Casey confided in you, or told you anything about drug use or uhm, you know, experimenting since you guys ended up becoming best friends? Like in the, in the whole time that you've known her, up until today, every, I already mentioned to you about.... AD: She never was really into that. Like I said, whenever we went out she would rarely drink to get drunk. We'd go out and she'd have a beer because she'd most of the time drive. YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).
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Uhm, she'd have to be home because of Caylee. Uhm, uh, not to my knowledge did she ever, she took, she just wasn't, she wasn't into it.
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Do you know of any of her family members that may have problems with it? Not that I know of. No sir, I don't, not, not that I can think of. Can I add some additional on a statement you just made? Uhm, if you went out she, she wouldn't drink very much because she'd have to be home because of the baby?
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Yes sir. Did you, what's your, did you have any knowledge of phone calls that Cindy would make to her while you were out, or was there any (inaudible).
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It happened frequently. Cindy would call.... Okay.
AD: ...frequently. "What time are you going to be home? Why are you out so late?" EE: AD: EE: AD:
Okay. So what... Because.... What was note... what was her general attitude towards that? Most of the time, apparently she lied to her mom all the time, saying, "I'm at work, I'm at work, I'm at work," when she was out. I found that out later she was always saying that she was at work. Uhm, I'm sorry. YM: It's okay. Uhm, and her mom would just call, "Where are you? When are you going to be home? When are you going to be home?" You know, "I want to go to bed." I want to, you know, and she wanted her home to take care of her own daughter. Uhm....
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And you witnessed this how many times do you think? Or was it just so commonplace that...
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I would, yeah (affirmative), I was, it was, her mom would call almost every single time we were out. She'd yell at her for one thing or another or to see where she was at.
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So, uh, and.... What do you mean to, what do you mean to yell? I'm sorry. (Sighs.) I, I know a lot of the truth now. Like for instance, uhm, when I graduated from UCF Casey was going with me to my graduation. And uhm, on my way to graduation Casey, Casey's mom called and said, "You need to get home now." And so she had a conversation with her mother. She said she had to leave. Uhm, and uh, Casey told me, "Oh, my mom was mad at me because I didn't register for Valencia classes." When I found out later from her mother that it was really because they found a credit card statement where Casey spent a lot of their money. So...
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What date was that on? Do you remember? August '07. I don't know the exact date. But it was, yeah (affirmative), because I graduated four years after I graduated high school, so August of '07. It was definitely in the summer.
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Did uh, does Casey ever men... ever talk about that... Stealing money? ...at the time to you and... No. Absolutely not. Something you learned after the fact?
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When did you find this out? (Sighs.) Right after Caylee went missing. Uhm, we would have conversations with her parents and that's when I found out a lot about Casey that I didn't know.
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After Caylee went missing, or after Casey went to jail? Uh, after, after it was.... Because it's (inaudible).... ....went public that.... Okay. After July 16 th . Okay. Shortly after July 16th . So uh, solidify the event from August there 2007, did she actually have to turn around and leave your graduation and go home?
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She rode with me. Uhm, her ex-boyfriend, Jesse Grund, came and picked her up and brought her home because I obviously had to go to graduation. (Coughs.)
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So she was upset about that? Uh-hum (affirmative). So, her social life was obviously, it, it was a burden to have to turn around and go home all the time because of the....
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That was the only time that she was ever with me doing something when she had to stop what she was doing and go home. That, that's the only time that I can remember that that's ever happened.
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But you witnessed other phone calls where you would go out from.... And her mom would just ask, "Where are you? Where are you?" And that was how often?
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Honestly, I think it, uh, I think it happened probably every time we went out. Every time? Every time we went out her mom.... And.... ...would call at least once. And given the fact that you guys didn't go out very much anyway. You might go shopping or you, you didn't party very much.
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That's what Casey would tell me, yes, (Inaudible.) When? All the time. I mean her mom, I mean she used her mom always. Like I remember at Caylee's second birthday party we were all sitting down opening presents and Cindy was helping. And she, Casey got, Casey was getting so upset, you know, This is my daughter. This is my daughter and my mom's trying
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to take her," you know, "Trying to take my job out of it." Her mom was trying, Cindy was trying to play mom instead of letting Casey play mom, or be mom.
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And this is in front of everybody? Uh-hum (affirmative). So it was very obvious to everyone that was there, maybe uncomfortable even, that they were arguing about that, or?
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No, they, she wasn't arguing about it. She just, Casey just pulled me aside.... Okay. ....and was like, "I'm so upset. You know, my mom's doing this. My mom's doing that." And she was just upset by it and it was her daughter's second birthday.
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Casey tell you anything about her mother? I'm sorry, what was that you said? Did Casey ever tell you anything about Cindy, her mother, telling Casey that she was a bad mother? She was an unfit mother? That she was going to take Caylee away because of that, or take custody of Caylee? Uh, threatened to take custody of Caylee?
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Not to my, not, not that I can remember. I don't think that. Casey never made a mention of that to you? Not that I can think of, no sir. When you guys were best friends back in '06, '07, where was Casey working? Where did she tell you she was working?
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And an event planner. Had, did you ever go to her work or.... No sir.
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YM: ... as an event planner? AD: YM: Yes sir. Okay. And did that ever change after '07? Did she ever tell you anything different? AD: YM: No, not that I can think of, no sir. She ever tell you uh, uh, about her college classes and what classes she was enrolled in? AD: Like I said to you when we went to my college graduation uhm, her mom was upset with, she said her mom was upset with her because she didn't enroll for college classes. Come to find out she didn't have a high school diploma. I didn't know that. YM: What did she, did she tell you after the fact that she was going to class? Did she ever tell you how hard it was going to school or....
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Again, there was, I would say since, it's '09 now; '08, '07, since like October or November of '07 we were just acquaintances. You know, not friends like we were before at all.
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Who, when you guys were, well when you guys were best friends and uhm, she went out to go with you shopping or wherever, who would watch Caylee?
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A lot of times Caylee would be with us. Okay, when she wasn't with you who would watch Caylee? I assumed it was her mother. Did she ever tell you anyone else watched Caylee? Because I know you guys had some common friends back some time before the Sports Authority thing.
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I know that Lauren Gibbs.... Uh-hum (affirmative).
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When, when Lauren stopped watching her. But uh, she may have mentioned the, the nanny once or twice, but.
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Maybe that's why that's planted in my head. I don't uh, I couldn't swear on a time.
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So you couldn't, you couldn't swear that you ever heard Casey Anthony refer to the nanny? You couldn't swear a hundred percent?
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Uh-hum (affirmative). So July 5th was the last time that I saw her before she was arrested. She definitely mentioned that day, "Oh, she's with the nanny." Because I remember my dad ran into her a week or two before. Ran into Casey, saw Casey at a liquor store and my dad asked about Caylee. And I said, "Oh, you know, my dad ran into you. He didn't say anything to you because he didn't know if you'd recognize him." Uhm, he didn't see Caylee. Uhm, I was like, "Was Caylee with you?" And she said to me, "No. I wouldn't bring my daughter to a liquor store. Are you crazy?"
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....last year? Yes. '08? Prior to that, any independent... No; that I can recall, no sir. I know for sure that date though because I remember her saying that.
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Physically? No. Seen them two together in a relationship type way? No sir. Okay. How, how, how do you tie in Jeffrey Hopkins to Casey except for the high school part, how do you tie them both together?
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Uh, no other relation. Did Casey ever tell you she was dating Jeffrey Hopkins? (Sighs.) Casey told me she dated a lot of people. Uhm, I don't think so. But then again I'm not, like I said, there, there was always a different guy that she would mention. I'm not sure.
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Someone that would be there with her parents there? No, it was when uh, they were at work, Casey was at work, uhm, that they would bring, it was a female, would bring, I want to say it was a giWL, but another, a, a friend of Caylee's and they'd play. Because I remember her telling me she'd get mad because the house would be a wreck. She'd have to clean up after them. She doesn't do the dishes. She leaves toys everywhere. That's, that's the most common story I got.
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She said the nanny. The nanny? The nanny. Okay. That's the very first time you can recall her ever saying that? (Sighs.) Where did that conversation take place? Buffalo Wild Wings at Waterford Lakes. Like I said, I just remembered what she had told me before that....
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... me, Sean.... Dante? Was Dante there? I don't think he was there. I..... Uh, lassen? lassen. Okay. lassen was there. lassen was definitely there. Okay. Okay. And a couple other people were there. So that's that time that she brought up the nanny? That's the first time I met her last boyfriend too. That's okay, that was my next, so she was there with who? Tony. Okay. So you were introduced to him? Okay. Hi, I'm Annie; that's it. Okay. Alright. Alright. How was her relationship with uh, her brother Lee? Uhm, they seemed to be very, very close. Did she ever mention any problems that she had with her brother? Uhm, again, knowing what I know now about her lying about so much stuff uhm....
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a very good relationship, like really close friends, you know, older brother and younger sister. Like I've hung out with them together. YM: She never mentioned any problems she had with Lee as, as they were growing up? What I mean, and, and let me rephrase that because I know there's a lot of things there. Did she ever mention any problems with uh, Lee possibly abusing her, touching her, or doing something to her while she was growing up?
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No, not that. Never mentioned? No sir. What about uhm, we'll skip to George real quick. What about George? Anything about him doing that or....
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Okay. We'll get, we'll get back to him. Go back to Lee. Uhm, before when we, when we turned off the tape there was, there was conversation off tape real quick about Lee and then Casey, and it seemed like there might be something that you wanted to add to that. I didn't want to take you off too far off track to that, so I'll give you....
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... but a couple months ago. Uhm, I couldn't tell you an exact date. I don't
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, he called me just to give me a heads up saying that uhm, that you would be calling me. That you....
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Well... ....wanted to talk to me. Lee gave you a heads up? Yes. Was this before Casey got out of jail the first time, or had she already been in and out?
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Okay. Right after that was out on the news. Okay. Uhm... Lee called you and said I would be calling? Yeah (affirmative). Because you had talked to Melina.
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form." Uhm, and he said, "I just, you know," he told me, "We all know Casey's done bad things, but you need to protect yourself. You need to, if they call you you need to tell them the truth. You need to tell them anything you know. Because if you know something you need to tell them." And that was it. YM: AD: YM: AD: YM: AD: YM: Did Lee tell you to withhold any information... Absolutely not. ...from us if we called? He said the exact opposite. Okay. He said, "Don't protect Casey." As far as bad things go with Casey, and I'll, I'll make it a very general question and we'll see where we go from there. Even Lee acknowledged that Casey had done some bad things. What bad things come to mind if, if, if you, if I tell you Casey's done some bad, or I asked you to tell me what Casey's done that are bad, what comes to mind? AD: Lying to everybody she knows. Uh, uh, more than one. I mean she's, everything I knew or thought I knew about her was a lie. I mean... YM: AD: What else? Uhm, stealing money obviously.
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No, she never said she went to college. No, she never said she went to college, but that her mom wanted her to go to college.
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So he died in an auto accident in 2007, August of 2007? Uh-hum (affirmative), yes sir. Where? Not in Florida. Did she say anything about, well what about his name? Did she say anything about, what, what about his name? Do you remember what she said his name was?
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AD: Eric. YM: Eric what? AD: I don't remember the last name. YM: Did she say where she met this Eric, or how they hooked up? AD: That he was in town for spring break while she was working at Universal. She met him. They hooked up. And he went back because he then shortly after started dating somebody. It was on a break from somebody when he was down here and they hooked up, came back, and then got this other giWL pregnant and married her. Because to that, I believe it was a boy that the other giWL had, she said. YM: Hmm. AD: And that Caylee had a brother that, or sister, or no, sibling, that she wanted to them meet. YM: Ever meet this guy?
AD: Huh-huh (negative). YM: Zanny the Nanny, this nanny, you never met that person?
AD: No sir. YM: What about uh, Racquelle Farrell or Jennifer Rosa? Sound familiar to you as far as personal friends, people you would have hung out with? AD: YM: Personal friends, no sir. Uhm.... Okay, and, and, anyone that....
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even hold her. I was around her like every single day. She knew my face. She knew who I was. She was okay around me. But she wouldn't, I mean if Casey were to go to the bathroom and not take Caylee, Caylee would scream.
Did you see a change in Casey's attitude recently, or this past year, in 2008? Uhm, again, we really weren't.... What caused you guys to split up as, as best friends? I started dating somebody. Was it somebody she liked, or dated, or, or what was the... Huh-huh (negative), no. I just, (sighs), uh, I got the sense that she wasn't always telling me the truth. Uhm, and, and I mean just somebody to have this awesome job, they work as an event planner at Universal, but they're always working at home, it just uh, I took, I put, I don't know, I guess I didn't, it didn't make sense to me. It, I just, I felt that I was being lied to and I don't like being betrayed.
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She was there. She came and picked me up from work. Uhm....] Where were you working at the time? Don Reid Ford, where I currently work. Okay. Uhm, and she came and picked me up. She's like, "Let's go to lunch. I just need
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need to uhm, you know, I feel like I'm having a breakdown. I just, I can't," what had specifically triggered it, I asked her. She didn't say anything. She uhm, just basically that she needed to get away for a little bit. And I was like, "Well you know, what about Caylee?" And she's like, "Oh, my mom'll take her. she'll take her." YM: AD: YM: AD: YM: AD: EE: So she was, she was actually wanting to leave.... To physically go.... Somewhere (unintelligible). She wanted to go to like an institution. Like she said, "I just.... She wanted to commit herself, or, or.... Kind of, yeah (affirmative). What'd she say to make you think that? I know
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No. I saw her since she was arrested, since she got out of jail. Okay. Prior to the first arrest in July, Buffalo Wild Wings was the last time? Buffalo was July 5th. It was before all this happened, July 5th. What about before that in June? Did you see her in June? Do you recall? Late May, probably at a party we had. Was it the no clothes party? Anything but clothes party. Anything but clothes. (Chuckles.) What was your costume? Uhm, dish towels (laughs) and mop, potholders. And that was in May? It was, I want to say it was Memorial Day weekend. Between May and July 5th when you saw her at Buffalo Wild Wings, did she make any mention to you about Caylee going missing?
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This is a text on, in July you're talking about, that night? I'm sorry, you lost me. Oh, oh, the.... You said that night.
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Okay. Whatever day it was, I'm not sure. Okay. Uhm, I, I asked her, you know, "How are you feeling? What are you going to do? You know, are you going to go through with this?" And she'd say, "Oh, I'm fine. You know, I talked to my mom. Everything's okay. We're going to work it out.
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Did you talk to anyone from this day back about. Casey having ever had a breakdown with them, like they'd go, hey, yeah (affirmative), you know, she can't, like you, with the story you just told me, did anyone come to you with a story of their own about Casey coming to them and saying yeah (affirmative), I have a problem?
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I don't think so. Not that I can recall. You just said that she said she had talked to her mom and they were everything was okay.
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She talked to her mom and uh, she might have talked to Chris, which was the guy at the time.
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I don't think it was Chris. I think she confided in Chris.

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what, what it was at the time. YM: When, when Casey went to jail in July and then came out again, did you have conversations, or did you go visit her.... AD: YM: AD: YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).... ....or talk to her? ... uh, I did. I visited her and I talked to her. Did you guys talk on the phone afterwards? Because obviously we took her phone the first time. Did she ever have conversations or text you or anything like that? AD: Uhm, I did not talk to her on the phone. Uh, like on the telephone I did not talk to her. Uhm, she said that she was the one who would text me from her mom's phone, saying, hey, you know, the vigil's this date. Be there. YM: AD: YM: AD: YM: AD: Okay. Uhm, I talked to her briefly through instant messaging. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm... What were the conversations about? Hey, how are you? Hang in there. Because after all this happened I obviously was upset. Uhm, I went through some stuff of my own. Uhm, and she just
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basically you know, hi, how are you? How are you? Are you hanging in there? You know, tell me to be strong. I told her to be strong. You know, I'm here for you. YM: AD: What did she tell you happened with Caylee? (Sighs.) The first time I saw her when she was out of jail (sighs), I don't, I don't think she specifically told me what happened. (Sighs.) I'm trying to recall. Uhm... YM: Just, just think overall, in times that you, that you texted (sic) her, or spoke with her, or visited her, what did she tell you happened? Uh, uh, it had to be top of the conversation wouldn't you say if your daughter's missing and she went to jail for neglect and now she's charged with murder. AD: In all honesty, I didn't really talk to her about it. I, I remember her saying to me, When this is all said and done I have so much to tell you." Uhm, (sighs), she, I, I know for sure, I remember that because I was like oh, my God, what does she have to tell me? Uhm, the the nanny, the whole nanny story really, the nanny has her. The nanny took her. She was supposed to be back by her third, by her third birthday. YM: AD: Tell me about that? Why her third birthday? What, what did she say? I don't, I don't know. I uh, I (sighs). (Sighs.) I remember her saying that, because again, like when I, when I went, the first time I saw her I was going through something and I was like "I, I just, I want to see Casey. Bring me to Casey." And they brought me to Casey. Uhm... I just, there was something that I said to her. (Sighs.) I don't remember what it was that I said to her. And that's when she said to me, When this is all said and done I have so much to tell you." YM: What did you take that to mean?
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Did you believe the story about a nanny? In the bottom of my heart, no. Because I'd never... Did you ever ask her about that? Say hey, you know, this doesn't make sense. This is Annie you're talking to.
AD: No, I never did. Uhm, I, because I was going over there as a friend, just to see her. Uhm, because when I would go do stuff Casey was the person I'd go to. Uhm, and uh, huh, you know, that's like if I was going through something and she, I wanted to see her. And she, and I didn't, I saw her twice and the second time we didn't talk about anything of having to do with Caylee missing. Uhm..... YM: You only saw her two times in the time, from the time she was arrested in July until the time she went back in October for good? You only saw her two times? AD: One time her parents took me over there. One time I stayed the night. I'm almost positive it was two times. YM: AD: YM: Two times? And the only thing she said was basically just the nanny took her? Just, yeah (affirmative), the.... She was supposed to be back by her third birthday but what, what, why her third birthday? Who told you the third birthday thing? Did Casey tell you that? AD: YM: AD: She, that's what she told me. Did she say why, what, what, what importance the third birthday was? Okay, okay. Now, okay, she, she said everything she's been saying is something that she was told to say. YM: AD: Okay. Someone's told her.
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YM: Okay. And so it's everything that she told who? Everyone else, or just everything that she.... AD: I guess you guys, everyone. YM: But it's the same thing she's telling you. AD: Yes.
YM: But somebody told her to say that? AD: Yes.
YM: Did she tell you, there's a couple of versions of Zanny out that that (inaudible) the kid was dropped off at Sawgrass; the kid was taken from Blanchard Park. Which version did she tell you as, as true? AD: She didn't tell me specifically. She didn't say I dropped Caylee of here and I never saw her again. YM: Do you think that she ever dropped her child off at the, a babysitter named Zanny? AD: YM: AD: I don't think so, no. Do you think she ever dropped her child off with anyone else? Anybody else I don't know. Because like I said, we were root group of friends. She had other friends. I don't know if anybody else ever watched her. YM: Do you believe the story of Casey dropping this child, dropping Caylee off with someone and never seeing her child again? AD: YM: No. Absolutely not. What do you think happened?
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AD:
(Sighs.) I don't, I, I'm not sure. Uhm, I don't think, if Casey, and this is my opinion, if Casey harmed Caylee uh, I'm sorry, I'm going to get (sighs).
YM:
It's okay. It's a hard question. But everyone that's sitting in this room, you're the one that knows Casey the best.
AD:
(Crying.) If Casey harmed Caylee she didn't do it alone. I know that for sure. Casey's not that smart.
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Okay. (Sighs.) What makes you, what makes you say that? What makes you say she, she would have, would not have been alone when she harmed Caylee?
AD:
Like I said, she was an over protective mother. She wasn't, I mean I was one of her best friends for a year of, a solid year of Caylee's life, and I couldn't even hold Caylee, you know. Uh, Caylee would scream.
YM:
Why would you, why would you, why would you say somebody else is involved? Well what would make you...
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AD: I just don't think Casey's that smart. I mean you guys are the be... I mean the FBI, you mean, you, you just do this for a living, and to not know, to not be able to figure out, I mean again, I don't know anything more than what's on the news. I mean she's not that smart. She's just, I mean we all knew, everyone knew that Casey lied. Like everyone did. We all knew. We didn't believe her. What was the truth, we didn't know, but we just, there was never, we just didn't believe her. I don't, I don't know how to any more explain it. It's just (chuckles).
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Uhm.... Did Cindy and George ever sit down with you and say, "Let's, we need to come up with, with this, and we need to come up with this story and stick with this story?
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Uh-hum (affirmative). All of our, all of our root friends uhm, went over to their house, the Anthony's house, and all talked about, we kind of tried to pinpoint when Casey was lying about, because we were trying to track down Caylee. We, we're trying to find Caylee. We wanted to put a timeline together and you know, us compare the stories Casey told us, when she was with us, when she wasn't with us, with the actual truth to her mom. Uhm, you know like the anything but clothes party Casey was working is what she said.
EE:
This was the meeting that Troy and Ricardo and Jesse, where everybody was at at the house?
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No. Jesse wasn't, those three people weren't there. They weren't? They were not there. This was a different meeting? No. They got together on their own. Me, my ex-boyfriend, Cory. Uhm, I believe Sean was there. Lauren might have been there. I'm not sure if Lauren was there. Chris was there. I know for sure Chris was there. Christina was there. (Sighs.) There might have been one or two, maybe more people, but I'm not sure.
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Did you ever sit down with either the, the Anthony's, or a group of people, and come up with any type of lists, uhm, you know, like all the friends that Casey knew and where they and where they lived and what drugs they did. Did you ever sit down and partake or be a part of, of a project like that?
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Cindy and I have talked about you know, who we don't trust. Who would that be? Uhm, I don't trust Jesse Grund. What about Cindy? Do I trust her? No, no, no, does Cindy trust him? Oh, uhm, no, I don't, I don't believe she does. Okay, who, who, who else do you guys not trust and then tell me why. She said to me that she didn't trust her, the boyfriend at the time, Tony. I don't know Tony's last name. Uhm, and that she even didn't trust Ricardo, J.P. and Amy.
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Okay, Cindy didn't? Cindy did not. Okay. Is this based on anything in particular or? She said to me because we found out, again, I don't know if this is the truth or not, uhm, that the FBI has been watching them and that, because Cindy had asked me do I know if Tony and Ricardo, J.P. and Amy had any ties together? And I said, "No, I don't even think they know each other." She said, "Oh, well you need to stay away from them. The FBI has them under surveillance." That they uhm, you know, they're into something bad. There into bad things. Just stay away. And I said, "Okay."
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Did she ever say what bad things were? I didn't ask. She said just very, very bad things.
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YM:
Speaking of surveillance, there were comments that George made on the news about kidnappers being followed, and then they have people watching them. Do you, do you remember that, or did, did they ever tell you about that?
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Say that again. On the onset, when this first thing, when all this happened, George was, George was on the news making a comment about the kidnappers and that they have these kidnappers under surveillance, and they were being monitored, and they knew who they were. They being the Anthony's.
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Did they ever, did they ever kind of console in you , or, or confide in you the fact that they knew Caylee may be dead?
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What was the conversation like when they picked you up? Uhm, I met up with them because my friend was the one who made a lot of the missing uhm, child shirts. Uhm, I had picked them up because George couldn't go get them that Friday. I went and picked them up after work and uhm, I met up with them. I had to go out of town again for something I was going through. Uhm, and I met up with them. They had to do something. I met up with them at the Publix right by their house. And uhm, you know, they knew I was upset. They knew something was wrong and I told them what was going on and I was like, "You know, I want to see Casey. Bring me to her." And they said, "Okay. Get in the back seat."
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Uh-hum (affirmative). ...to see her? What was the conversation in the car? Did they maybe ask you to phrase things a certain way so you could get information out of her, or, I mean they probably hoped that you were able to communicate with her, huh?
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Uhm, I, the purpose of me going over there was for me to see... For you? For me to see my friend. Uhm, the only thing they really said was, "Lay down as soon as we pull in the neighborhood so the cameras won't see you."
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That was it? Basically. And then talking about what I was, well what I was going through. The time that you stayed overnight, how far after, how, how far uh, from that date that they took you over there originally was that that you stayed overnight?
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Cindy had had a rough day. Uhm, their pastor came over. We prayed. Uhm.... Who prayed? All of us. Me, Casey, Cindy and the pastor. Okay. Uhm, and I remember the pastor saying that you know, everybody needs somebody that they can confide in one hundred and fifty percent. That they can say anything to whether they, it's something that they really don't want to say. Which I took it as him saying to Cindy you know, sometimes maybe you just need to talk about the fact that Caylee may not be with us. You need to maybe talk to somebody about that. Uhm, that's the way, that's, again, that's the way I took it. Uhm, and I remember just Cindy going out back and uhm, she was upset. And I went out there. I told Casey, you know, "I'll be right back. I'm going to go talk to your mom." And I went. It was just the three of us at the house. And uhm, I remember going out back and just telling her, "You know, he's right. You need to talk to somebody. You can't just keep this in. You know, sometimes if you write things down," or I was like, You know me, I go on a drive. If I need to
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think about something I drive. I drive, and I drive and I drive. And maybe that's what you need to do. Just try different things because you can't keep it in." Uhm, so Cindy was very upset that day. Uhm... EE: AD: What did she say when you told her that though? She said, "I know. I know." She said, "I need to do something." Uhm, she said, "That's why I'm out here." You know, she had her bible. Uhm..... EE: Was there a sense of tension between she and Casey? I mean did you pick up on they were, though they were together they weren't together? AD: (Sighs.) One time she, somebody was (sighs), you know the My Space and the e-mail accounts, and she, Cindy I guess went on Casey's My Space account, or one of the e-mail, Facebook, My Space, one of the things, someone had said that they had information. They had called the Crimeline. They didn't get through. And Cindy, I remember Casey screaming at Cindy because Cindy was acting as Casey on the e-mail. And she didn't, like Casey was like you know, "This is why I'm getting in trouble." Blah, blah, blah. "People are acting like me and they're not." I remember her screaming at her. EE: AD: Cindy was on the computer acting as if she was Casey? Yes. Ta... I don't if talking to someone because they said that they had information. Uhm.... YM: AD: YM: AD: And uhm, and this was well when Casey was home from jail? Yes. And you were there at the time and you heard all this? I heard her screaming, yeah (affirmative). And I had told her, "You need to calm down (chuckles). This isn't necessary." YM: Now it's Casey screaming at Cindy?
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Casey screaming at Cindy. Well what does Cindy do? What was her reaction? You know, "If this can find us Caylee then you know, I'm going to do whatever it takes. I don't care." I guess she signed, what she did is she signed an e-mail, or a message Case. That's what Casey always did her signature as Case. Uhm, and that she signed a e-mail Case. So she wasn't comfortable with that because Casey wasn't doing, you know, I guess Casey got mad because it wasn't her. Uhm, and just everybody was screaming. And I was just like, "It's not that big of a deal." I've, I mean screaming. Top of the lungs screaming at her.
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You don't remember what she said though exactly? Just screaming? Insults. "You're so fucking stupid." I can't.... Who was home at the time besides you three? Just the three of us that I was aware of. What was her, what was Cindy's response to that?
"I'll do anything I can to find Caylee. I'm just trying to find Caylee."
So she accepted this barrage of verbal abuse and that was her only response? Uh, she might have said something else, but basically yeah (affirmative), she was taking it.
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Now you stayed there overnight. (Coughs.) I'm sure there was a... I'm sorry? If you stayed there overnight I'm sure, where, where'd you guys sleep? Uh, me and Casey slept in Casey's room. Okay, and so that was some private time away from the rest of everyone?
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Cindy was in there too, on the floor. She was.... She didn't, yeah (affirmative), she ended up sleeping on the air mattress. Falling asleep in there because we were watching House.
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In Casey's room? Uh-hum (affirmative). On a air, on a blow-up mattress. Because, because George was at work. It was when he had first started going back to work. Uhm, and we were in there watching TV. I had to work the next morning so I was ready for bed like eaWLy. We watched a movie. Uhm, and then I was like, "I'm ready to go to bed." Turn on the TV. House was on. I fell asleep watching House. I, we didn't talk about anything.
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Not that I can recall. They didn't direct you to ask her anything to try to get information out of her? Not that I can recall. Did they live as if they thought that house was bugged? Absolutely. They did? What did they say in regards to that? Uh, Ca...when I was there with Casey, Casey was whispering to me and saying, "We don't know what's in here right now." Uhm, it was more Casey then it was them. Uhm, uh, just you know, "I, I can't say anything now until, wait until this is all over." And that's what she, you know, "I'll, I have so much to tell you." But I mean yeah (affirmative), she definitely thought the house was bugged.
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Casey ever tell you about an argument they had on uh, Father's Day? Or Cindy ever tell you about an argument they had on Father's Day, the day before Caylee went missing and they left the house?
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Did anyone ever tell you about the argument that they had? Think hard. On the news. But no, no, I'm talking about maybe one.... Personal, like someone telling me, I remember George saying he remembered seeing Caylee that day leave. But it might have been the day after Father's Day,
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I don't, I don't think anybody ever did. How about the, the second birthday party I wanted to come back to. I have a couple things I wanted to ask you. Uhm, that birthday party where you said that she was a little uh, perturbed regarding her mother acting as if she was maybe the mom and running the party....
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Was there an exchange on that day? Did she get worked, did Casey get mad at her that day and yell at her or....
AD: I didn't see it. Like I said, Casey pulled me aside and was like, "Oh, my God, I can't believe what my mom's doing. You know this is supposed to be Caylee's day. I'm her mom. She's not her mom." Uhm.... EE: AD: What was she doing that was so terrible? Like you know, the little kid sits down and the mom sits behind them and helps them open presents. Uhm, and that's what Cindy was doing instead of Casey doing it. EE: AD: EE: AD: EE: AD: Jealousy then? Uh, yeah (affirmative). Okay. I guess. And who was there at that party? (Sighs.) Me, Casey obviously, Cindy, uhm, I definitely know one of Lee's friends, Brian, was there. A couple more of Lee's friends were there. I don't know their names. YM: Brian, his roommate? Brian Lufkin, right?
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So nobody that acted in the capacity of babysitter attended the second birthday party that you know other than
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Not that I can recall. Huh-huh (negative). Did you ever baby-sit.... Oh, Lauren and, Lauren and Mandy were there. They were? Uh-hum (affirmative). So Lauren's the closest thing to a babysitter that you know of? Yes. And that we were aware of? Yes. Uhm, did you ever baby-sit Caylee one time; ever? No sir. Never? No sir. You didn't get to hold her you said? I, yeah (affirmative), I couldn't even hold her let alone Casey leave her with me.
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Okay, who else? Uhm... Who, if we had to go to, if we had to go to one person that could tell us Casey's life story, and that was really close to Casey and that would be considered one of her best friends, you were her best friend from '06-'07, who would that be?
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Tell me about that. (Sighs.) Casey's... one of her ex-boyfriends, Brandon, was there. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, and I believe that's when he started dating his now wife. Uhm, I think she was there too and they were there together. Uhm, and Casey got very upset because she was very, very in love with, with Brandon. And I guess she pulled him aside and he was intoxicated. Uhm, she pulled him aside and went to talk to him out front, maybe have a heart-to-heart. I don't know what was said. But I know they were out front. Casey came running to the back balling hysterically, getting the people that she was, she came with to leave.
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Nothing about a pregnancy? She, she had told me that she was, that she had gotten pregnant by him and that she miscarried Valentine's Day; coincidentally on Valentine's Day.
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Oh, I knew when she was pregnant, well pregnant quote unquote. Okay, so she told you at the time that she said she was pregnant? She was pregnant, yup (affirmative). And she was pregnant. And did she say whose it was? Brandon's. And did she say anything about what her mom was going to say about her being pregnant again?
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AD: ...want her parents to know. YM: AD: Was she actually pregnant? I never saw a doctor's visit, a pregnancy test, uh, anything to confirm it. I had doubts that she was pregnant. YM: AD: YM: But she told you, I am pregnant? She told me she was pregnant. And the first time you remember her saying that was when? Anything but clothes party was May of this year. AD: May of 'O._
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AD: May of '0...May of '08. She miscarried, quote unquote miscarried... YM: February. AD: ... February 14, 2008 I believe. Yes, 2008. And no, it couldn't have been then. It couldn't have been, it had to have been '07. YM: Anything but clothes party was '08? AD: Yes. But when she, because I had just broken up with Dante. I'm sorry (laughs). YM: Okay. AD: Uhm, Dante and I had been, I moved out of Sawgrass in '07. It had to have been February of '07 then. Because '08 is when we quit being friends. '0... late '0, late '07. (Sighs.) I'm, I'm sorry. Uhm... YM: Okay, just take a, take, take your time if you need to. And we know the argument happened at the end of anything but clothes party. AD: And Memorial Day, Memorial Day, is that in May? YM: May. AD: May. That was then. She had to have been pregnant the pr... pregnant, quote unquote, the, Caylee would have been three. Her second birthday was '07. YM: Uh-hum (affirmative). AD: It had to have been, I'm trying to think. I remember it being Valentine's Day, but it couldn't have been '08, because that was just now. And she dated Brandon... YM: No, it was a year ago now. AD: Well....(sighs). It might have been '07 then. It had to have been '07.
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That's what she said. Where, where, where did it happen? (Sighs.) Tell me. She said she was at home and she was bleeding and she called her doctor. It was all on a Saturday. Was Valentine's Day on a Saturday? (Laughs.) It, it, it, it was on a Saturday because I'm thinking what doctor is going to go... because she said she called her doctor and she, the doctor met her at the office. But I remember it being on a Saturday because I was like, you know, my mom's best friend works for my doctor and he wouldn't be at the office on a Saturday.
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So she was at home when.... Called the doctor.
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What about her mom? Was he mom home?
I don't believe so.

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Okay. He was in North Carolina getting ready for deployment to go back to Iraq, or Afghanistan, whenever she....
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Uh, yeah (affirmative). I don't, I don't believe she was pregnant. Okay. Uhm, but yes, to my knowledge that's the only time that she ever said she.... And the only time she ever had a miscarriage? Ever said she was pregnant. Okay. Uh, what do you know about chloroform? Nothing. Do you know what it is?
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I googled it Okay. ....after they said this on the news. What is it? Uh, ammonia and bleach. What is it used for? Do you know? Again, I looked it up. I, I didn't, I had no clue what it was. I googled it. Okay. Uhm, and then you know, people talk about this. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, and, and I asked, you know, I don't even have no clue what it is. And they said, oh, it's in the old movies they, you'd see them put a white rag over the woman's mouth.
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Uh-hum (affirmative). And she'd pass out and they'd go take advantage of the woman and they'd wake up and they were fine.
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This is after she was arrested? This is after she was arrested. This is, I remember this. We had this con... I was like, "What, what are you talking about? What is it? What is it about the chloroform in the trunk?" And she said uhm, "You know I don't know. I don't
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know what it is." And I said, "Well, you know, I didn't know what it was. I goggled it. It's bleach and ammonia." She said, "I know I had cleaning solution back there. I had cleaning stuff back there." YM: Did she ever tell you that she looked up chloroform or, or she was dong research on it back in March? AD: When I said I didn't know what it was, you now, I said, "I googled it," and she laughed and said, "Yeah (affirmative), I know." EE: So she said she had cleaning stuff back there. Did she ever make comments about anything else that was being discussed that may have been in the trunk, or just the cleaning stuff? AD: EE: Just the cleaning stuff. So all this other stuff that's all over the media about the trunk of the car she only talked about having cleaning solution in the car? AD: Okay, it's, now that you guys are talking about it, it's bringing something back to me. Uhm, when she, we talked about uhm, because that was right after the hat got thrown away and that person went through their garbage and found the hat that I was wearing in a picture and that it was my hat. No, it wasn't my hat. It was Casey's hat that her ex-boyfriend, Jesse, gave her. And that's why they threw it away because they don't trust Jesse. So they were getting mad at Jesse. And so they threw the hat away. And Jesse was the first person she called when she abandoned the car at the Amscot. Again, this is all she said. Uhm, and so she called Jesse. The car was up there. Jesse knew where the car was. Jesse had a key to the car. EE: Ah, she told you that?
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AD: (Coughs.) Yes, Jesse had a key to the car. And she said, "I don't know what could have happened to that car when it wasn't in my possession. There very well could have been something in the back of my trunk that I don't know about." YM: So she eluded to the fact that Jesse may have done something to her car while it was abandoned at that Amscot? AD: In a roundabout way. YM: She never specifically said it, but she elude...
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YM: ....eluded to the fact?
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And was this conversation in front of Cindy and George? No, this was in her bedroom. Can you remember anything about that, anything about that conversation? I remember, like I said, I remember that. And that's, that's, because that's when she said to me, When this is over I have so much to tell you." She, "Oh, you wouldn't believe what I have to tell you." And I said, "Why not now?"
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AD: And Jesse knew where the car was.
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But she never mentioned the smell of decomp, or any of those other things? She completely avoided those?
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Huh-huh (negative). No? Not that I can remember. So she didn't try to explain away anything to you? No sir.
YM: I have a couple of names I just want to throw out at you to see if you, you, tell me if you know them. Amy, Amy Lewis? AD: YM: AD: YM: AD: Amy Lewis? Yeah (affirmative), Amy Ann Lewis. Sound familiar to you at all? No, I don't think so. What about Tara Graff? (Short pause.) I, I know there's a Tara we went to high school with, but I don't know her last name. YM: AD: Adam Lynch? Adam Lynch? Uh, these are common names. I don't, I don't, personally, I don't know anybody named Adam Lynch. YM: AD: YM: AD: YM: AD: Amanda Mc... Amanda Macklin? I don't personally know an Amanda Macklin. Uh, Dave Turner? Uh, I don't think I know a Dave Turner. Harry Garcia? Any of these ring a bell as a group of friends or.... Harry Garcia? And a group of friends, absolutely not.
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But did they give you a phone? Did they give me a phone? No. Say hey, if you're going to call Casey call her on this? No sir. Do you remember the number of that prepaid phone? If I... You have it in....
I might have it. I told, I was told it was prepaid.

By who? Who, did.... By Casey. I got to turn my phone on. That's okay. Did you tell her who gave her that phone, or did anyone tell you who gave her that phone?
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Maybe her attorney. I don't know. The family. I don't know. Did you ever talk to Jose Baez?
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Did you ever call the number? Did I ever call the number? No. Uhm, I'm not sure if this is her old cell phone number, or if this is her new, the one that she gave me. But it's 407443-0675.
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What's your cell? My cell phone? 407-948-2176. That's my personal cell phone number.
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When you lived, are you guys done? I, I have, I just have a couple more timeline type stuff if you don't mind. What, number one, did she ever tell you about an animal being on her car?
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I'm, I'm sorry? Did she ever say that there was an animal ran over by her car or anything uh, of that nature?
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Alright. Uhm, you had indicated that you lived at Sawgrass Apartments.... Uh-hum (affirmative).
...with Dante Salati from Oc... what you believe now to be October of '05 through
March of '07?
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Uh-hum (affirmative). This was the time frame that you and Casey were best friends? We started being really, really good friends whenever Dante and I broke up, which would have been, March '07 I moved out. It would have been '06, November-ish.
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That you two broke up? Uh-hum (affirmative), and I still lived there until March or so. And so the end, I mean as soon as we broke up and Brandon was back in town, because Casey and Brandon started dating, Brandon would come up, they'd come over and hang out.
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Alright, so they came over to the Sawgrass Apartments? Absolutely. What was your apartment number? Uhm, uh, 2867 South Conway Road, oh, 218 was the apartment number. Okay. Was there more than one 218 at that complex?
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AD: ... I think was my address. LD: AD: Alright. How long, uhm, or how often did she come over? Every day almost. Because I, I don't think at that time I was working and I was just going to school. LD: AD: LD: AD: LD: AD: LD: Did she bring Caylee? A lot of the times, yeah (affirmative), unless it was at night. Did she ever tell you that she knew anyone else in the Sawgrass Apartments? No. Did you ever see her talking to anyone else in the Sawgrass Apartment? Not that I can recall. Alright. Did you know, or did she tell you that she had a babysitter in those apartments while you were there? AD: LD: AD: LD: AD: LD: AD: No sir, I mean uh, no ma'am. Did you uh, ever work for the Sawgrass Apartments? No ma'am. Do anything in their uhm, office? Do anything in their office? Uh-hum (affirmative). No ma'am.
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I want to say I was at Don Reid then. I've been at Don Reid, December 13 th was two years. So, two, '05; December '05. Right? Yeah (affirmative).
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No ma'am. And do you have any knowledge as to whether or not she ever went in there? No ma'am. Do you know anybody by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez? No ma'am. Maybe you already asked this. Zenaida Fernandez? No ma'am. Zenaida Gonzalez-Fernandez, or whatever permutation.... No ma'am.
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Did you know your neighbors? Their names? No. Okay. You ever watch One Tree Hill? Do you know what that is? It's a TV show; a series? You never watched it? I don't think I ever have. You never discussed that show with Casey Anthony? Not that I can recall. Alright. Did you ever discuss Zenaida Fernandez, or Zenaida, Zenaida Gonzalez, with Casey Anthony?
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I've never heard that name before until then. Do you have any other information about what happened to Caylee Anthony? I do not know what happened to Caylee, no ma'am. Okay. You had indicated eaWLier that you didn't think Casey Anthony was smart enough to do this by herself?
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The relationship that I witnessed with Ca... between Casey and Caylee, Casey was an excellent mother. Uhm, too over-protective. Uhm....
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too over-protective. To, you know, like uh, to not let somebody be able to hold, hold your child, I think that's a little ridiculous. Uhm...
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Well the, the statement of yours that I wrote down, and you can correct me if you think I have this in... uh, on here wrong. If Casey harmed Caylee she didn't do it alone. She's not that smart."
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Absolutely. Alright. So, you make room for the situation where Casey could have been involved in some way, in harming Caylee.
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Because of what, I, I, I thought she was somebody that she obviously is not. Lying to, stealing, you know, the person who I thought I knew, who I once called one of my best friends, she obviously wasn't that person.
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Alright. You said she didn't do it alone. Who do you think she would have done it with, or been involved with, as it relates to....
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Uh-hum (affirmative). Ya-da, ya-da, ya-da. Uhm, and he, I don't know if that was because of just where she was saying she was going to move to, or that he had, that she had something about the nanny. I don't, I don't, I don't recall. Uhm, but not, I mean specific times, uh, no, I can't think of anything.
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That's all. Did you ever visit the office of the Sawgrass Apartments with her to put out...? With her? No. Did she ever visit there to apply for an, a, an apartment? Not that I can think of. Did she ever talk about it? Not that I can think of. She ever talk about it? Not that I can think of. And where was your apartment that you lived in in comparison to the one that she took...
AD:
Right next door is from what I think, from what I can recall. I mean I'm 2867. What was the building number she said?
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YM:
When you drove in to go to your apartment that you used to live in, you drive in, the office is to your right? (Inaudible)._
AD:
You drive in. You like dead end into the office, so you got to go around to the left a little bit.
YM:
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AD: YM:
And then.... And there's a building to your left and there's another building, right? And there's a building on both sides?
AD: YM:
No, they're on, they're on your, no. Sawgrass?
AD: I haven't, I haven't been there in a very long time. Uhm, my, when you look,
walked out my door to go down my stairs, you saw the back of the shopping center.
YM: AD: YM:
Okay.
I know that for sure. Like the wall that's there...

So you would have been, if you're coming in the driveway you would have been on the left hand side? The office would have been on the right hand side? You would have had to....
AD:
Uhm, you have to go to the left.
YM: ... park and then go through the hallway and then up to your apartment? AD:
Not through the hallway. No, I wasn't on the water side.
I was on the parking lot
side. There isn't, to the, you drive in, the building's right here, and you have to go around. There isn't anything that way. I don't think.
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AD:
Yeah (affirmative).
LD: ... uhm, Casey Anthony's only connection to the Sawgrass Apartments is you? AD: YM: EE:
Me and Dante; yes ma'am. I don't have anything else. I just am curious what Jesse's done for you not to like him.
AD:
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When, right after all this happened, me and Melina organized to everyone start meeting up at Publix. That Saturday we all met up at Publix. We were going to hand out fliers. You know, go around places. Jesse showed up later. And the first words out of his mouth are, "Why did you and Casey quit being friends?" And it kind of caught me off guard. Everyone else that I'd seen that I haven't seen forever is, you know, "Are you okay? How are you doing? Now what do you think happened?" His words were, "Why did, so why did you and Casey quit being friends?" And I just thought that's odd. For somebody who, you know, they did a paternity test to see if he was her father, you know. And to say to me, "Why did you and Casey quit being friends," uh, it just struck me as odd.
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That was my next thing is, if, if, if she was, knew who the father was, did she ever tell you why she may have tried to say that Jesse was the father?
AD:
She never told me she tried to say Jesse was the father, but that she wasn't sure who the father was. Because I didn't know, I had assumed that Jesse was the father. And then one day I finally asked her and she said, "No, no, no, it was this guy. We hooked up. He lives so-and-so." I don't remember where she said it, it was in the south, but not Florida. Uhm, and that he was married and had a k... another kid.
EE:
So any problem you had with Jesse was after the fact? It wasn't like an ongoing thing with him? It was....
AD: EE: AD: EE: AD:
Just this, no.... ... like an ongoing thing with him? No. It was just that one statement? No. Just like after everything happened, you know, I mean....
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EE:
Okay.
AD: ... ask me how I'm doing (chuckles). EE: LD: YM: WL: LD: WL: YM:
Okay. Alright. If we have any further questions.... Sure, no problem. We'll, you can.... Call you? Yeah (affirmative), sure, and we'll make.... Okay.
WL: ... produce her on short notice. YM:
And again, I know I swore you in at the beginning, but I would just like to, to confirm it.
WL:
Or if you want to you can just do it and we just agree they can just do it all by telephone and just continuation if you want. It's up to you.
YM: WL: YM:
I have no problem with that. Okay. Just as long as we're all in agreement. And again, we, I already swore you in at the beginning. Everything you told us is true and correct?
AD: YM:
Yes sir. Okay. And you're going to help get the information on the doctor as well so I can....
AD: YM: WL: EE:
Yes. I can find out the date range on that? (Inaudible.) And your father, when he, the day he....
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AD: EE: AD: EE: AD: LD: YM:
Yeah (affirmative), I'd have to.... ... saw her at.... I have to talk to my dad.... Okay. ...to see if he remembers. But it was prior to. (Sighs.) Alright, thank you. Alright. And the time right now is uh, 1518 hours.
End of recorded statement. This transcript has been reviewed on July 17 th, 2009 for accuracy.
CORPORAL YURI MELICH, OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF

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uh, in response to that same subpoena. Okay, you understand that?

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A few months after Caylee's birthday...

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so you renewed your lease in '07? Yes. And, no you....

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No, no, '06.

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No, no, no, we do. We, we do.... Okay.

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YM: ...can give it to me

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Uhm.... What, what...

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She was. Un... unfortunately...

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It happened frequently. Cindy would call.... Okay.

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AD: I had no clue.

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