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Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra

He is known as Fulfiller the Best in whom all knots of our lives dissolve
and we attain real bliss.
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His Discourses
DISCOURSES
(Some of the notes of conversations with Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra
picked up & collected by Shri Prafulla Kumar Das. Published in book
form “Discourses” by © Satsang, Deogher).
October 5, 1939
The darkness of the night set in. Sri Sri thakur was seated on a chowki
in the Ashram courtyard by the river bank, and some people of the
ashram were with Him. Gopalda came. Thakur said to him, "The Manu-
Samhita starts with a description of the beginning of the cosmic
Param Premmay Sri Sri Thakur cycle, and there is some real sense in that. By understanding things in
Anukulchandra the order in which they appear one can get a proper understanding of
them. Chalar Sathi (Life's Companion) starts with the creation of the
universe. I did not make any great plans for it that way; it turned out
that way of itself. Unless we are acquainted with the elementals, our
Saadhana knowledge is only of bits and pieces, and we don't come to a full
▼ 2007 (26) understanding. What big scientists our ancient seers were none today
understands. A great ascetic like Mahadev, for example, was
▼ January (11) responsible for a great many medical formulas. People today
About Sri Sri Thakur generally have a distorted picture of saints. But the real saints were
Anukulchandra
very active and practical. In how many ways they served the society!"
His Messages
His Discourses
In the course of His talking, Thakur said, "I do not see another normal
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man around like Ramakrishna." Later in the night prayer and
Three Tenets
meditation were discussed. Thakur said, "These things don't fit in well
Satyanusaran
unless one has a normal life. A posed or `got-up' life will never do, I
Magna Dicta
have never obtained anything by going through gymnastics for it. I
Chalaar Saathi
would do things when I felt like it. I never saw Sarkar Saheb. That is
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why my mother was everything to me. Whatever I would do would be
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to gain credit with her. If fancy so pleased me I would begin
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repeating Name in the dead of night. I always had a strong urge to do
► February (1) things swiftly Once I walked three miles from Khoksa in 22 minutes.
► March (1) My activity became intense, and I enjoyed my work all the more. I
would do Kirtan. I n the period of trance consciousness would be lost.
► April (1)
But I do not attach any importance to that. At other times I was
► May (6) always conscious. When I grasped a thermometer one day, the
► August (3) temperature went up to 110 degrees. Water sprinkled on my body
would evaporate. Such things happened. Visions like those I discussed
► September (1)
with you before would come.
► December (2)
► 2008 (5)
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Pradhan Acharya "People do not understand the meaning of God. They go on with
queer ideas in their heads and do all sorts of peculiar things. That's
why they don't get anywhere. Those who get the association of the
great really get fulfillment. What cannot be understood by ascetic
practices can be understood by them, seen by them, normally. And
this again cannot happen unless one leads a normal life.
October 9, 1939
In the evening a gentleman from Calcutta came and desired to know
how to make progress in business. Sri Sri Thakur said, "Yajan (self-
exaltation), Yaajan (the exaltation of others), and Ishtabhriti (the
maintenance of one's Ideal) are the foremost duties of man. One must
exert oneself for one's becoming, and at the same time convince the
environment to do the same. Man cannot get by, ignoring his
environment. That is why it is to a man's interest to serve his
environment. At every turn Yaajan and service are required. Say, for
example, you have a cycle shop. You start thinking how to supply
Sri Sri Dada everyone with a cycle. Perhaps you think to supply even a poor man
by letting him pay in installments. You do Yaajan with him about how
convenient it would be for him to have a cycle. When he goes in for a
Satsang Related cycle and enjoys its advantages, he will express a heartfelt gratitude
for what you have done, saying, "Such and such a man has considered
Web Links my financial position and has made it possible for me to have this
Hyderabad Satsang Vihar cycle. Had he not given me special consideration, I would never have
Radha Soami Gurus had it. He made it very easy for me." Hearing his words, many pour
Satsang's official web site into your shop, and thus your business begins to thrive. If instead of
Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra this you had looked for greater profits by cheating him, he would
Satsang, USA probably have detected it and said to others, "Look out, don't go ever
Sri Sri Thakur Yahoo Group to that man's shop. He is a cheat." If you have a thousand customers
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wikipedia about, is that not better than taking a greater profit from a hundred?
The Sanskrit word for business comes from a root meaning, "That
which truly saves from death." "But whatever you do, have love for
your Ideal at the root of it. Passions then remain in your control.
About Me Serviceable attitude arises. Work becomes flawless. Whoever comes
in contact with you sticks to you like glue, enchanted with your Ideal-
Vitthal Sawant fulfilling service and attitude. Human wealth increases. And progress
Dombivli E, Maharashtra, becomes inevitable. Man becomes eligible for good out of this
India attachment for Ideal. That is why Guru is called man's Supreme Good.
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snow-white bedding, his feet bare, a thick sacred thread hanging
from his shoulder. He was talking about this and that with Gopal da,
View my complete profile smiling. Haripada da, Kalidasima and others now and again gave him
tobacco, water and betel nut. Thakur caught sigh of dentist
examining Bhushnima's teeth by the side of the temple stairs. The
Satsang News dentist was dressed in European fashion. Thakur commented, "When
the boys of our country finish their studies and become professionals
satsang anukulchandra thakur like doctors, pleaders, or barristers, they put on sahib clothing. This
seems to me very insulting. Our Bharadwaj may be a big physician but
Bollywood's spiritual bent principally he is a Ritwik (a guardian in the society). All of his
NDTV.com, India activities come out with that as their ground. Whatever he becomes,
The stars, who indulged in deep he cannot give up his characteristic headgear and sash." Thakur
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Sri Sri Ravishankar, agreed that it turned to Gopalda. "If you turn out to be a big shot and still wear your
was a complete contrast from ... Ritwik's dress though surrounded by bodyguards and attendants got up
Free artificial limb camp in tight fitting suits, how grand you will look! When a man stands clad
in snow-white vest shirt and wrapper, he looks like an angel."
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number of physically challenged memories of previous births. He described his findings in detail to Sri
from Chandigarh and its outskirts
Sri Thakur's great enjoyment. At one time he said, "I examined the
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horoscope of two such persons (those who could remember their
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previous births), and I found that both had been born in the same
Sri Sri teaches Art of Living in astral combinations as they had previously died in!" Sri Sri Thakur and
Mumbai Gopalda jumped up simultaneously. They shouted joyously, "Is it so,
Sahara Samay, India really ! The very thing we guessed !" Sri Sri Thakur said, "Gopal, now
Mumbai, Mar 10: All and sundry you must look into this thing thoroughly, I said so a long time ago.
attended the Maha Satsang After all is said and done, we have not been able to discover the key
addressed by the Spiritual Guru to memory-continuity. The question remains, how is it possible to
His Holiness Sri Sri Ravi Shankar at remember incidents of previous births ? This is the only problem in
KJ Somaiya Grounds in Sion ... the world. And it doesn't seem to be something unsurmountable. If
one can find the trick, the thing is done. If man achieves this, what
Raceway Park opposes meditation he does not know. As long as the conscious entity remains, it is not
center difficult to invade the beyond." To Sushilda he said, "Tomorrow please
New Brunswick Home News start writing letters to all the people concerned. Try to find the book,
Tribune, USA Buddhistic Meditation." (This book is supposed to contain a method of
Michael Napp, owner and reviving memories of previous births). Sushilda mentioned a sadhu
president of Raceway Park, said who lives only on leaves. Thakur said, "We make such fuss about our
he will fight to the very last food ! How easily this great problem can be met !" Thakur seemed to
minute to stop a proposal to build be in a state of great excitement today. Again and again he was
a Dayalbagh Radhaswami calling for Sushilda, hearing the story about previous births over and
Satsang ... over again and making others listen too. In the evening Sushilda
powered by described in detail the reappearance of Papaji in a human body after
his death. Thakur said, "That would seem to be nothing else than the
ectoplasmic body." I asked Sri Sri Thakur, "Is it a fact that you
remember your previous life?" Thakur answered, "I don't know
whether it is just imagination or not, but it seems as though I clearly
remember my Grandma and myself are sailing on a river in a boat,
and that there are lot of turtles all around. I asked Grandma about it,
but she brushed it aside. I also seem to remember that I once lived at
the foot of a hill. I used to sit on a rock. A rivulet flowing eastward
was before me. Pretty, red paths ran through the wood. I had a wife.
She loved me very much. It seems to me she would know me even
now if I went there. About this present life I remember I was born in
a room. A very dim lamp was burning. Mother said it was so. Many
things occur to me, and they all seem real. Things flash in the mind. I
did not discuss them before ; now I occasionally give them out."When
every one went away, I asked what an ectoplasmic body is. Sri Sri
Thakur said, "It is the one beyond the germ plasmic body. When
steam begins to condense into vapor, it becomes just visible to us.
The ectoplasmic body is like that. It is nothing more than a
condensation of very fine matter."I said, "Swamiji is said to have seen
Thakur Ramakrishna many times after his death."Thakur said, "Thakur
said, "Swamiji may have seen, or someone else may have seen, but
what use is it unless everyone in the environment can see him in a
normal way? Personally I don't like anything that isn't concrete. I do
not feel comfortable unless I can realize things along with my
environment by means of some instrument or other. That is probably

why it seems that philosophy, religion, science and art have all
merged into one another in my thinking."When I asked Thakur to
speak about some particular vision, he said, "I was going along the
Cossipore Road one day. There were heavenly lights all round, Gods
and goddesses were singing. I remembered a couple of lines of the
music for a long time. I told others about it. Now I can remember only
recall the word, `Swagatam' (welcome). I got into a cane forest one
day while walking along the road. Beside myself, I walked on and on.
I walked straight on without seeing the course of the road. I came
back to my senses when someone else pointed out my condition.
Many a time even now I have a feeling that it is I that has become a
certain tree." I had heard that the marks of a whip were once found
on the back of Sri Sri Thakur when he saw a horse being whipped.
When I asked about this, he said, "We feel pain when we see a man
stumbling. This is something like that. Imagination is so strong that
without physical stimulus nerves become irritated. As in night
pollution, one has a feeling that sexual intercourse is going on, but
actually it is not. Still semen is discharged.""Those who follow
Swastyayani (the five observances for well being) find that talismans
made from flowers used in the Swastyayani ceremony are potent in
bringing about desired results," I said.On hearing this, Thakur
said, "They are in a position, probably, to give others a vital
push."Satyada is unwell. At night Sri Sri Thakur said to Birenda, "Can
you find out a medicine for Satya? I want it to be an absolutely
infallible one." One remembers in this connection that all the
medicines of the Satsang Chemical Works originated in just such an
active sympathy and serviceable attitude. Why only medicines ? All
the centres of activity have come into being by keeping in sight the
material needs of some individual or other. Centering itself on the
dominating problems of individual lives and progressing by the
intrepid onward march of a loving soul, a nation-wide programme of
unique movement comes into being.
October 13, 1939

This morning Sri Sri Thakur said, "If we are strong on our principle, we
won't have to yield to our environment. Instead, our environment
yields to us. If we have an urge to do what has to be done, and then
actually to do it, and if it is necessary to deal with the environment
in that work, the environment too gets enthused. Those who are
incapable soon drop of their own accord. Biruda and I went walking
one day. After a while Biruda got tired and sat down. I went on ahead
without waiting for him. Seeing there was nothing else to do, he got
up and walked. "Say, for instance, someone goes out on a particular
piece of business. Circumstances may force him to start on a `bad'
day. He finally gets the work done but only after many trials and
tribulations. Why should this be ? It is to be understood in such a case
that the man has some disorder in motor-sensory co-ordination
fulfilling to his principle or in his immediate motor-sensory co-
ordination. Due to this in co-ordination, the influence of the
environment did not allow he fulfillment of some previous intention
then and there. Then, as a result of this un fulfillment, a blundering
twist formed in his brain, and this twist went on to create chaos and
disorder when he set about the later intention. "Once the Deputy
Superintendent of Police in Kustia called me aside and said, Ì cannot
allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry to come to you,' He threatened me

in many ways. But I said, Ì cannot stop anyone from coming, and it is
not proper on your part to talk like that.' Later on, he would himself
come to see me at least once, if not twice, every day. So it goes. "In
the beginning many spies would come and take down notes of the
talks and conversations we had. We made a box, and we would beg
money from passengers on the river steamers, We helped many
people from that fund ; we even helped a number of the spies. Then
those that we tried to help would be after us. I understood them all,
but I gave to them anyway." "That would be doing them a disservice."
I protested. Sri Sri Thakur said, "It is my idea that if I don't look after
them, they will not live. When a sick person takes a forbidden food,
does he do so understanding what will result ? It is his disease that
inclines him to it. It is the same with the spies. My attitude is : let
them live first of all. The way to gradual correction lies open if one
lives. Who can become good being finished ? All hope is gone
then."We talked of many things after this. In the course of the
conversation Sri Sri Thakur said, "When I used to repeat Name, Lord
Krishna would come and play on the flute. My ears would be filled
with enchanting music. I would see Sri Krishna as one of my own age.
But his complexion is not dark at all. It is almost like grass turned
pale when covered up for a few days. I have seen Mother Kali many
times. At first sight she would seem just like my mother. No
difference at all. That is, perhaps, the reason why my attachment to
my mother increased so. Once I went to Dakshineswar and felt very
thirsty. A man supplied water to many but I was left out. I felt very
unhappy and cross, I went over to Sri Ramakrishna's room. Things
looked so familiar ! But that may not mean much. It may be due to
my having heard things before hand. Then I went and slept in the
Panchboti grove. I saw Mother Kali coming. Dark, yet how soothing
was her beauty ! She came and put my head on her knees. At her
touch I was beside myself. I could not resist her wishes. I had to do
whatever she said. She said in an endearing tone, `You asked for food
when others were present. How could I give you then ? Darling, take
these.' I saw luchi, borphi, sandesh on a plate bright and golden. She
fed me, I ate all and with great relish. When I had finished—drinking
water and all---someone called me. I got up and found my hunger and
thirsts were gone. I walked till ten that night but felt no hunger. I
heard that such things should not be told : so I did not tell them
before."
October 17, 1939

Jatinda asked, "What should a student organization be like ?" Sri Sri
Thakur answered, "One should meet a necessity as it arises in the
course of work. A thing is best built that way." The subjects of Hitler
and Mussolini came up. Sri Sri Thakur said, "Without a Guru a man's
balance does not stand. Sivaji, though a ruler, presented his dominion
to Ramdas and ran it in trust for him. He was as afraid of Ramdas as a
child of a bogey. But his fear was due to his unflinching love. That is
why he could remain steady in the midst of the greatest dangers. He
never got so much as a scratch. Mussolini can disobey the king if he
likes, but he does not." About Hitler, Sri Sri Thakur said, "Attachment
for mother is not all. One must have a fulfilling centre. A man may be
small, insignificant, but if his attachment for a superior stands, he
will rise. A man may be lowering his eyes today, but who knows what
heights he will reach tomorrow ?" Explaining why Ramachandra killed

Shambuik. Sri Sri Thakur said, "Shambuik was breaking the Varnasram
and disrupting the society. Acquiring the qualities of a Brahmin may
be an Ideal for all of us, but we must not ignore the duties that go
with our own inherited traits. One must evolve brahminical qualities
with work that fits with one's inherited instincts. Our great seer,
Janaka, did not give up the work of a protector of the state. A
businessman cannot acquire brahminical qualities by ignoring
activities that are instinctive to him. If he tries that, the society
disintegrates. How can a merchant qualify to know God if he does not
even know his own business ? Whatever one may do, one should do it
standing on one's hereditary instincts. Then the society stays right.
The Prati-Ritwiks (social worker) that are being recruited from among
the business and administrator classes should work with this in mind !
Aryans lay more stress on inborn instincts than on acquired
characteristics. Instincts are automatic, like the action of the heart
at the present time. This action may not have been so once ; we
might have had to impart it deliberately. But now the heart goes on
whether we pay attention to it or not. A quality that is automatic like
that is called an instinct. A particular action is converted into an
instinct by repetition through generations. The tempering of steel
that is done by hand by the blacksmiths of Ujirpur is an example. It is
unparalleled even today. They are supposed to be able to make
pistols even ! An instinct doesn't die off in a thousand years. If we can
gather ourselves up today in chromosomic clusters, there is no telling
how much we can achieve. We have everything in our blood. Super
selective, interclass marriage and common Ideal are the two
cementing factors in the society. How mistaken we are when we try
to cry down one great man and establish another ! We thereby create
sectarianism. That is how the nation gets disintegrated into lumps.
We must be concentric on the present one who fulfills all the past,
and stand on Yajan, Yaajan and Ishtabhriti. We must all observe these
things ourselves and make others follow them. What a great thing can
be achieved by Yaajan ! How much time would it take to build a
nation if a thousand Ritwiks went to difference villages of Bengal
doing Yaajan and groups went out to the difference provinces doing
the same ? They talk of unemployment ! Our Dipankar was an
inhabitant of Bajrajogini (eastern Bengal). What great things he
achieved with Yaajan ! There are so many pure Aryans among the
Bengalis. When there were attacks in other sections, Aryans flew into
this corner. The life and blood of these people is not a common place
thing, we don't have the least idea of what we have, and Kestoda has
collected some facts. One becomes amazed to hear them. It would be
difficult to surpass this race if it were once united." Kestoda of
Chandan Nagar asked, "What will my work be ?" Sri Sri Thakur
said, "What is to be done is all laid out. `Let us kill the enemy in any
way' !" I asked, "By `what is to be done' you mean Ideal's interest and
His establishment, do you not ?" Sri Sri Thakur said, "Yes, that is the
compass for all voyages in the world. Our movements have to be
directed by it. Nothing else need be mentioned. His interest and
establishment are like the two poles, North and South. Merely the
interest of Ideal will not do. You may perhaps steal a million rupees
and serve the interest of Ideal that way, but seeing that people will
say, `That man is a Guru of thieves.' That may fulfill the interest of
Ideal but will not help in His establishment. One has to keep an eye
on this too. If one has to go to prostitute's house for the interest and
establishment of Ideal, one can be in possession of good. Sin is that

which makes us fall off from our support. Sin has no other meaning
than this." Thakur then added, "If Kestoda decides that he will not
allow five hundred people to fall off, tries heart and soul for their
good, serves them with all his might, and these five hundred in turn
each give a crumb for his sake, then Kestoda's bowl will be filled. And
then, in addition to meeting his own needs, he can maintain many
others." I asked, "Normal renunciation comes as a final phase of
following the four-fold path. Can one attain this stage of sainthood
without going through the whole process ?" Sri Sri Thakur
answered, "A sadhu or saint is one who can carry things through to
their completion. The word `sadhu' originates from a word that
means `to acieve'. What sort of saint is he who does not take
responsibility and do his duty ? The work and responsibility of one
who is surrendered to good increases more." Sri Sri Thakur said in
another connection, "We do not come across Aryans in their true
colors anymore. That is why we don't appreciate their nature. If it
blossoms once more, then only will we understand their real
grandeur. Let alone a Brahmin ! We don't even meet a pure and ideal
Baishya. Could we be in such a miserable condition if the Baishyas
were all right ? When the Baishyas forgot their Ideal and Culture and
joined hands with their foreign brothers-in-trade, the ruin of the
nation began." Sri Sri Thakur asked Kestoda to find two mechanics
proficient in molding, electroplating, milling, turning etc. He went on
in a tone of regret, "Shortage, of men is our only difficulty. How much
we could have achieved here if we had men in the right places ! The
instruments in the laboratory are being wasted for lack of men. If we
get proper men for the workshop, we can provide for the food of a
thousand people. And we want people that will not accept any salary
but will take the responsibility of all undertakings, maintain the
workers and remain happy accepting the minimum for them. People
outside may tempt them with money ; they will not be tempted. It is
extremely difficult for an expert, however big he may be, to be
successful if money be his real aim and not the building of an
institution. Then again, one must have a good temperament. These
are people of different mentalities here. A man must have tenacity to
stick."
October 18, 1939
In the evening a new visitor said to Thakur, "However much we exert

ourselves, everything depends on luck. Someone is not able to
achieve anything even after a lot of trouble; while someone else
comes out successful after just a little effort."
Sri Sri Thakur said, "But luck depends on doing. It is to be understood

that one who is not able to achieve is disordered in his doing. Fate
(the unforeseen) means the effect of our actions that pervades the
environment and gets scattered beyond our sight. No orderliness
comes into a man's activity, no harmony sprouts, individuality doesn't
grow, and the individual doesn't get integrated if there be no
principle. The complexes alone guide the man. Complexes are
complicated and entangling. That is why they are called complexes.
Once entangled in one, a man is not able to see anything outside it. It
turns out to be his universe. There is no connection between one of
them and another. A man remains imprisoned in whatever he enters
into. So many people work such a great deal. But a peasant boy turns
out to be minister all of a sudden. How does he do it? At the root of
this there is attraction or inclination toward a desired one.
Attachment is everything. I cannot claim that you won't be able to
find a single great man in this world without active attachment to a
superior beloved, but there are very few such. We read history but
we miss the glowing point in a man's life."
The visitor said, "Why should I depend on someone? I can do it all

myself."
Sri Sri Thakur replied. "Man's very existence depends on others. I used
to say to myself, 'I am He; I am He' for a while, but that doesn't seem
to fit in well with human nature. By that process everything seems to
recoil back on oneself. I can utter, 'I am He' only when I am able to
see all others to be the same as He. An 'I am He' and 'All others are
just nothing' attitude does not get anyone anywhere. I like 'I am
Thine'. If there is somebody as Thou, and if there is a tension due to
an urge of fulfilling him, our sensitiveness and receptivity increase.
We grow as a result of this; otherwise we go down and down under
the weight of complexes and ego. In other words there is libido in
man. This libido wants to get attached. A man who becomes active
due to attachment of this libido to superior (mother, Guru and so on)
is bound to rise. The Gita says, 'There is no intelligence or becoming
for one who is not attached, no peace for one who has no becoming,
and no enjoyment for one who does not have peace.' Perhaps in
another place it says, ‘Attachment is the technique of achievement.'
Is that not so? It is the sum and substance. The word ‘Thakur’ means
one who knocks. Our complexes are in conflict with him. Adjustment
results out of this conflict if there is attachment."
Visitor : "I understand the love for mother of Hitler and Mussolini, but
we don't see any love for Guru in their cases."
Sri Sri Thakur : "A deep love for mother is sure to hurl you forward.
Then comes love for Guru. One needs a Guru because he can guide at
every stage, and we grow bigger day by day in our loving pursuit of
him. If there be love for Guru or mother, motor-sensory co-ordination
is inevitable."
Regarding Lord Krishna, the visitor said, "I can at best call him a
superman. I cannot look upon him as God. After all, he was a human
being."
Sri Sri Thakur answered, "But I don't understand God without man,
and even if there be one, what have I to do with him? He does not
even procure me so much as a piece of pie. When we speak of God,
we understand a man in whom the virtues (wealth, strength, fame,
beauty, knowledge, and detachment) are alive. We cannot conceive
of Rabindranath's poetic ability without Rabindranath. We come to
think of Rabindranath first and his poetic ability after. We think of a
kind man when we speak of kindness. Where can kindness exist
without a kind one? And how on earth can we feel it?"
October 19, 1939

The room was full in the morning. Kestoda from Chandan Nagar
said, "why is mourning observed after somebody expires ? What is the

reason for different mourning periods for different classes ?" Sri Sri
Thakur : "Usually one feels extremely depressed after the death of
dear one. Mourning is observed for this reason. The duration of the
mourning has been fixed according to the time needed by persons of
different classes for the recovery of their minds." Kestoda
asked, "Why is the head shaved ?" Thakur : "Shaving has a
physiological effect. Perhaps the brain is better able to absorb
ultraviolet rays thereby." Kestoda ; "What is the utility of penance ?"
Thakur : "Penance is a physio-psychical treatment. One has to eat
specified foods having a medicinal effect. The nerves that have been
impaired get invigorated." Jatinda : "what is that significance of
`mundan'--- shaving the head ?" Thakur : "The Sanskrit word `mundan'
means surrender, surrender of the being." In the course of
conversation Thakur said, "We are struck dumb by the achievements
of Japan and Russia, but there was a time when people from other
countries were struck dumb at our achievement. The Bipros used to
carry on research ; month after month new models of machines would
come out. They would invent a great many things in their
laboratories. They would act as the dynamic moving men of their
society. After them the Kshatriyas would work in a somewhat grosser
way. They would save the society from wounds. The Baishyas would
look after the material needs of the people. The Brahmins made a
habit of the hygienic rules. Hygienic rules are those which uphold
existence. As, for example, washing after urination, not putting one's
fingers in one's mouth, washing hands after blowing the nose, etc.
From a hygienic standpoint these things are absolutely essential."
Concerning the sacred thread ceremony Thakur said, "The meaning of
induction is `to be led into.' One is led neat the Guru. The ceremony
is an acceptance of our heritage. Without this ceremony we might
totally forget that we have a connection with the great seers and
souls of the past. For the most part we live like foreigners in our own
land. The Muslims get a recess for their prayers, but we Hindus ?
Nothing ! And it is our own entire fault. If someone requests leave for
prayer, someone else will say, `No, I will continue working.' What a
fall is there ! We can not unite. "God puts such interesting instance
before my eyes. I was coming from Narayangunj once. There a Muslim
girl's shawl came in contact with the body of constable. What a
beating they gave the constable ! From twenty to twenty-five people
used him as a football practically kicked him to death. It was the full-
fledged British regime then. The Indian ministry, as now constituted,
did not exist. Against this instance, the next morning I saw, while
getting of the steamer at Goalundo, a sub-deputy traveling with his
wife. Somebody in the crowd squeezed her breast, whereupon
everyone said, "Serves him right---going about with his wife dressed
to kill !' I thought, Ìf somebody commits a mistake should he not be
pardoned ? Is it necessary to humiliate him in this fashion ?' Walking
behind the gentleman, I heard him say to his wife when they were out
of earshot, `Why did not you shout in that crowd ? Why shout ?' Such
in the condition we are in ! "On another occasion I saw a woman in
Poradah Station enter the lavatory when a man followed her. He was
about to corner her and take advantage of her. But he was chased
and fled away into the fields. The lady trembled for half an hour
afterwards. But later in the same day I saw in Bindel a woman
wearing a saree in the south Indian fashion. This lady, who might
have been a Maharastrian, was thrashing a man with her sandals. The
man ran away. Nobody could understand the reason behind it all. The
fault might have been splashing water on her while washing. This
Maratha set once upon a time were like us, Shivaji came and built
them up." In the evening Sri Sri Thakur said, "There is a type of man
who likes girl very much but doesn't have the courage to approach
her. He is afraid ; nevertheless he feels need for her and cannot give
up longing for her. Such a man wants to eliminate his want through
someone else. He poses as though he loves one whom he does not
love and likes that which he does not like. This type of man lives in a
world of contradictions. He meets with frustration in one place, so
goes to another, starts loving someone there as mother or sister, gets
intimate, but in the bottom of his heart there lies a crocked ness. In
this way his libido gets all fouled up, like a bunch of threads, and
becomes distorted, People of this kind understand everything upside
down, If someone says, `Don't jump from there', they are not able to
take the statement at face value. They will take it as an insult. They
may come to like something a lot, but will maintain that they dislike
it and oppose it vigorously. It is difficult to reform people with such
characteristics. They are very mild and act sophisticated. But they
are full of insincerity. It is difficult for these people to recuperate.
There is another type, the damaged type ; Bilwamangal and Girish
Ghosh for example. They go absolutely wild over something and
forget everything else. They lead a debauched life. But a boat with a
hole in it, once the hole is plugged up, becomes as good as new and
carries a load of 500 maunds. That is the way it is with them. If one is
able to plug up that single hole and get him attached to a superior
person, he turns out normal. A person damaged is really much better
than a distorted one. "When a man talks about his inability to cope
with the burden of his family, talks about wants, ailments, sufferings,
insubordination in his children, etc., one can understand that he has
some underlying obsession. That is why he is not able to adjust
things. This is called Maya. Maya limits us, drags our life into a narrow
enclosure. It is the play of the complexes. We call them complexes
because they are dead-end streets for us. When a man is within one,
he does not get the way forward. In reality there is no sorrow but
senility and death. Everything else in the world seems to say, `Here !
Accept us ! Nourish yourself through us.' Everything comes to serve us
if we have a principle. All becomes food. We need not get upset come
what may. We can utilize all for our life and growth!"
One of the brothers raised the question of service to country and

environment. Sri Sri Thakur said, "Good or evil, whatever we may do,
nothing gets integrated without a principle. When C.R. Das turned out
to be leader, another eminent leader of Bengal felt hurt. He came to
me and said, `The country does not want me. I have done such a lot
for the country too.' I replied, "This is bound to be. After all, you did
not do these things to fulfill anybody." He could not understand at
first, but he did so before he died. If we make a move to do
somebody a good turn and expect something in return, the person
with whom we are dealing becomes rigid and thinks, `You give me
three pice with the expectation of getting back five. That cat is not
going to jump.' It will always turn out this way as long as one works
for self-interest and self-establishment. If, however, it is all done for
the interest and establishment of your Ideal, people get attached to
your Ideal and to you as well. You are likely then to say, "Dear
brother, I give you whatever I can and I don't want anything back
from you. I was once in the condition that you are in now. I am now
able to see all by His mercy. I have tasted pay dirt.' A man
automatically becomes grateful by this kind of service. If he does not
become good by this means right off, he eventually becomes so by
repeated service and help towards Ideal. Things are a bit different
with those who are born ungrateful but they too yield in time. It is
nature's law. You may be helping your wife with the cooking, in
looking after the children, etc., and yet not have manliness and
principle. Then your wife will get the upper hand. She will play with
you, not worry about you at all and not listen to what you say. But if,
on the other hand, you say, `There are dozens like you. If you don't
try to make my parents happy and don't serve them, you are nothing
to me', you will see she will in no time go on the right path of her
own accord. If one is served according to the complexes, they both
are ruined. But if the services are done to fulfill someone, all are able
to acquire good." Jatinda asked, "How can I decide on seeing a man
whether or not he is fit to by my guide ? How can faith come ?"
Thakur said, "Is it possible to understand at first sight ? There are very
few who can. But one can understand if one keeps company with due
attention. By association grows respect. From respect comes clarity
of vision. Clarity of vision leads to faith. Faith results in unjudging
acceptance. From this grows love and from love self-surrender.
Association leads one to regard ; by regard the tendency to see
defects goes away. The temptation to see good and evil disappears.
As a matter of fact one can't see evil. Belief and faith come. With
faith we become question less, and our heart is filled with happiness.
Out of this is born love and attachment. Love develops into total
surrender where we don't understand anything but our object of
love." About adherence Thakur remarked, "The best is passion-
pervading attachment. The complex that does not fulfill my Ideal
means nothing to me then, and about that which fulfills my Ideal in
some form or other I have no question or scruple. I must achieve it
somehow. There is another type : Passion Compromising. Ì follow my
Ideal insofar as he falls in line with my complexes.' The worst type is
the passionate. Here we sacrifice the interest of our Ideal and want
to utilize him for the fulfillment of our complexes. We say, Òh,
Lord ! I respect you so and I hail you and I weep for you night and
day. Lord, if you will just arrange my marriage with girl, then you are
Lord indeed ! Then I shall make many offerings' !" After this Kestoda,
Bholanathda and others arrived from Calcutta. Thakur had been
inquiring about Kestoda all day long. How jubilant he was to see him !
He said in an endearing tone, "I thought you must have got lost." At
this he, Kestoda and others present burst out laughing. Bholanathda
spoke of the pain in his foot. Sri Sri Thakur said in a tumult of joy.
What you have been able to do with your lame foot is superhuman. I
could not dream of it !" All the pain that Bholanathda had seemed to
get washed off in a flush. His eyes shone in an abundance of joy. Such
is the magic of Thakur's touch.
October 20, 1939

It was night time and Sri Sri Thakur was sitting on a chowki placed on
the river- embankment facing east. Jatinda, Kestoda of
Chandannagore, Amar-bhai and others were present.
Sri Sri Thakur : "Each of the Aryan customs is the result of extensive
experiment. What a extremely scientific race these people have
been! The more I think about it, the lower my head bows, out of
regard for them. Each of their recommendations for living has a
hygienic effect. One should not eat food offered by a person who’s
personal and family characteristics are not known. For the sake of a
healthy body it is essential to be particular about this. Nobody knows
what type of disease a man can have. A man may be immune himself
but another person may be affected by taking food from him. One
should not take food offered even by a Vipra who is lacking in a good
way of living. One must not use somebody else's bed. Nor is it proper
to share a bed with someone else. One should not put on somebody
else's clothes. I have known of cases where people have got gonorrhea
by putting on the clothes of a gonorrhea patient. The other day
people took food in a group along with the sweepers, but is there any
account of how many diseases they have carried away with them?
Unity gets impaired even between two brothers brought up together
from childhood. Things would have been very simple indeed if unity
was to be established by dining together on one or two occasions!
Eating cow-dung helps to revive the mental and physical state. Cow-
dung is used in the swabbing of floors. We may look on it as nonsense,
but there are very few things that have such bacteria-phage qualities
as cow-dung. There is an element in cow-dung that kills bacteria. Just
think too of of the beneficial effect of sacrificial fire. Clarified butter
is burned in the fire - the atmosphere gets, ionized by this. This is
extremely beneficial to health. When inhaled, it increases longevity.
A sacrificial fire used to be lighted every day in an Aryan home. What
a holy atmosphere would play around the house! And what a healthy
thing was the custom of hyper-gamy!"
October 21, 1939
Sri Sri Thakur was sitting on Khepuda's verandah this morning. Many
mothers and brothers were standing around.
Sri Sri Thakur : "Jaajan ( talking about Ideal with others) means
nothing more than explaining to a man how he may conduct his daily
life and elating him in such a manner that he becomes actively
interested in Ideal. Talks about Thakur can come later. If you start
with the preaching 'Nothing will come of anything without Thakur',
what can that mean to him, however true it is for you? Whatever you
do, you must proceed through his problems. The building becomes
strong if you will start with that foundation stone. Don't you see how
strong a house is if iron reinforcements are put in its foundation ? One
must start with a man from where he is and what he is interested in.
He will be interested in your Ideal as he develops interest in you."
Manmathada asked, "What sort of jaajan should women do ?"
Sri Sri Thakur said, "Women are different from men. They have to
maintain their own Distinctive quality. After all, women cannot go
about in different places and do jaajan like you. Kll their progress lies
through systematic love service in their family environment. If,
instead,, hey go about like so-called 'progressive' women, they lose
their distinctiveness."
About Swastyayani Thakur said, "One can start Swastyayani (an
instrument of well being) with the same approach one uses with one's
daily bread. After one has begun, one can start planning how one can
do it every day."
November 14, 1939

Sri Sri Thakur was resting on his bed after supper, as he talked to
Kesto-da. "It seems to me that the sperm that is responsible for a new
life stays on even after death. It does not get destroyed. It stays on
and is called sometimes, ectoplasmic body. It is so fine that it doesn't
get burned in fire. If this is true for man, it is also true for plants,
bricks, wood and all other things. That is why man can put on clothes
even after death and eat fruits if he so likes."
In the morning Sri Sri Thakur was sitting on a bench in the northern
courtyard of his mother's house. He was discussing various subjects
with Bhabataran-da of Sinthee. Kesto-da and Khepu-da were also
present. Sri Sri Thakur asked me to read out some mottoes. I was
reading out a motto on character-building of children.
Thakur went on to explain, "The father may be asking his boys to bow
down at the feet of his superiors, but is not doing that himself. This is
very bad. The request means something only when the father does so
first. Then again, the father may not give due appreciation to the
mother of his children. Or may be the mother doesn't speak of the
father's good qualities. This is very harmful. Regard cannot grow. And
if the parents quarrel in the presence of the children, it is even
worse. Dire consequences follow."
After a while Sri Sri Thakur spoke: "This money business. I do not
think it so important. If someone gives me something, I do not
become happy out of getting that thing. But I enjoy the fact that the
urge of giving is benefiting the giver. When I am receiving, I think I
can meet the wants of many and I give away accordingly. I have no
attachment for it or inclination toward it. You are all my real wealth.
My nature is such that if someone feels even a little bit sick, I feel
that I am in a state of loss and I feel depressed. Then again, man's
relations with me revolve about his mishaps. Nobody comes up with a
piece of good news, or news of success. They all come when they're
in a tight corner. Someone might be praying, 'Thakur, I have
purchased this lottery ticket. Whatever I get over five thousand is
entirely yours. I won't keep a farthing more than five thousand.' He
may get fifty thousand, and I won't see him for the dust. He'll come
back again only when he has wrought perfect ruin on himself with
that money and has become a pauper again. At that time I cannot tell
him, Às you have sowed, so that you have reaped'. I become pained
at the sight of sufferings, and all I want to do is take care of him. I
forget all his faults."
November 16, 1939
Satyada was telling Sri Sri Thakur that a man in Calcutta had taken
Istobhriti money from many on the pretence of wanting to purchase a
hookka ( smoking pipe ) for him. Thakur said, "Why should people give
their Istobhriti money to him ? It is their misdoing. It is nice to trust,
but it's not so nice to be a foot. I have indicated clearly where one
should send Istobhriti money. Why should anyone accept a contrary
version from another man ? Everybody should know that as soon as

the moths come around a light, lizards come too."
December 7, 1939.
Himaitpur (Pabna)
It was afternoon. Thakur was talking with a kirtan singer, Bahuballav

Goswami by name.
Thakur said, "Some seed falls on rocks, some among brambles, and
some on good ground. It is the same libido at work. Everything
depends on where it strikes and gets set. Once it gets properly set on
a Sat-Guru, the job is done."
Pointing to one of us, Thakur said, "You with your sarcastic remarks.
If you could use them for the sake of Ideal, you would be pouring
honey into people's ears. Some weep out of repentance. If they could
do it for Ideal, they would flood many, to put it mildly. There is no
need to curb passion and anger ; rather, the greater they wax the
better. All that is necessary is to regulate--them for Ideal's use. If
they are obliterated, with what can one do the work of Ideal ? And
religion too has its acid test here. 'I worship daily, I love God ; yet my
skill and agility are not what they should be. I am not enjoying an
abundance of life.' What is this ? If I fall into such a plight, I must
know that there is something radically wrong with me. Whether one is
looking for wealth or not, wealth is bound to embrace one who walks
in the path of Ideal. Wealth that has service for its foundation is
proof that a man is leading a genuinely religious life. That is why it
has been said in Chaitanya Charitamrita :
'Wealth and light pervade this world entire, For love that's void of
riches I have not least desire.'
But one who loves his Ideal in order to attain a certain position or
level, or for the sake of gaining wealth, does not get anywhere. It is
even , said, 'The desire for liberation is the worst of all obsessions.'
Everything settles down if one's fancy falls upon Ideal. Love for his
sake sprouts in Jaajan. All spheres of the brain become active in
Jaajan. Knots and obsessions built around petty desires gradually
work loose."
After a long discussion Thakur concluded, "There used to be a

Bharadwaj University, Basistha University, Shandilya University, etc.
These will have to he built up again for the revival of culture". Sri Sri
Thakur talked a long time to Goswami in this mood.
Afterwards Goswaini came to us and said, "I am a religious instructor

to thousands. Narrating sacred literature is my profession. I have seen
tots of holy men and pandits. But it is for the first time that today I
have understood the real import of Dharma, and I know I shall not get
again such a guide in my effort for becoming. So I have decided to
take initiation this very day. I have been misinterpreting many things.
Now I shall have the chance to correct them."
Sri Sri Thakur was sitting on a cane stool under a thatched shed.
Kesto-da, Gopald-a and others were standing by. All of a sudden Sri
Sri Thakur's teacher came. Thakur stood up out of reverence and
called for a chair. The tutor took the chair brought by Gopal-da, after
which Sri Sri Thakur took his seat.
In the course of conversation Thakur said, "I used to meditate

excessively. Meditation without activity led to some strange
insensitiveness. It was as though I could feel no sensation, good or
bad, happy or sorrowful. The tremor of life that had been mine left
me, I became something like solid. That was a veritable hell. Then I
began to put my mind to work, and then my original condition
returned. Children who do not take any interest in domestic affairs,
or who are otherwise not actively engaged suffer also an impairment
of receptivity for studies in their brains. Those who have the urge to
give something to their parents are bound to rise. In those who do not
do anything for their parents and family but go about doing things for
neighbors some abnormality has crept in. And over-zealous, excessive
sympathy for women speaks of mere sexual throbbing."
Sri Sri Thakur asked me, "Did you do . Swastyayani yesterday ?" I
answered, "Yes." Thakur said of me to someone standing by, "He is
unable to collect oblations. He is quite incapable of it".
Kestoda said, "Eight fetters fall off in begging."
Sri Sri Thakur : "It is very true. Collecting oblations for the Ideal
builds and expands a man from within."
January 27, 1940
Sri Sri Thakur was sitting on a cane stool. It was morning. Kesto-da
was reading out couplets written in folk style as dictated by Thakur.
Jogesh-da, Jogen-da, Biren-da and others were standing near.
Discussing the subject matter of one of the couplets, Thakur

said, "Man should tell his wife after marriage, 'Look here. To look
after my parents, my brothers and sisters and all the family is your
whole and sole business. I do not look for anything for myself from
you.' It is always better to look after one's own necessities. But
parents must be served -, you yourself should serve them and have
others do so. If, instead of this, out of compassion for your wife you
say, 'Poor girl! Physically quite incapable of it .' What inconsiderate
parents!' You are ruined—turned into sheep. Just think of the number
of donkeys that pare the vegetables for their wives, look after the
children and run errands to please them! Have they any personality ?
If the wife gets the slightest cough, the husband is stopped dead in
his tracks and cries, 'I'm done for!' At this groaning and moaning the
wife understands, 'I've got this bird right where I want him.' In such a
situation, instead of caving in, a husband should say, 'You can't lie
down on the job just for a little cough. You've got my parents to look
after.' This sets the woman right. She thinks, 'Well, here's a tough
nut'. Of course, if she is really sick, that is a different matter. Then
one may take up the service with one's own hands. If the wife lays
obstructions in the way of one's Ideal, it's no use arguing or
explaining. Keep firm on your path. This flattens her. Gradually she
stops her twitching and squirming—like a goat after sacrifice."
"Whatever I may say, the fundamental thing remains : see to the

fulfillment of your Ideal. All disorders will vanish if you are Ideal-
centric. Man gets wife-centric, lost in the labyrinth of narrow, blind,
passionate interests. The economic problem, disease, litigation,
turmoil—these all result from it. One for whom I am the only interest,
one who does for me, gets good everywhere. Have I not offered
several lakhs of rupees to people? Not one of these accepting has pro-
gressed. They've all gone down."
January 27, 1940.

Himaitpur (Pabna)
Sri Sri Thakur was sitting in the Philanthropy Office. It was about ten
o'clock in the morning. I was discussing supreme consciousness
(Samadhi) with Kesto-da.
Thakur overheard our talk and said, "Samadhi is that peculiar

condition which follows integrated solution. This condition, leads a
man to thinking he is completely absorbed during it. But that is not
the case. When one arrives after much thinking at a complete
solution, of a problem, one gets a feeling of unfathomable bliss ; one
talks of absorption because one is in ecstasy. Samadhi can take place
in a number of ways. One man gets it when absorbed in thoughts of
his wife. Another by thinking of money etc. Phenomena have
different phases. Supreme consciousness, a result of an impression of
perfect knowledge, appears when all the phases of a universe
pertaining to a particular subject reveal themselves to the perception
and intellect."
"That is why it is often said that a storehouse of knowledge opens up

through Samadhi. Mere intellectual solution cannot be called
Samadhi. One must feel it with sensation, with being ; for which
again it must be meaningful to one's Ideal. This .Samadhi or
integrated solution is followed by activity. You work out the solution
obtained. Nothing in you drops off in this. You may be accustomed to
visit a prostitute, to throw away pencils after using, to read and
write, to serve people, to steal berries and eat them. If so, they will
all remain. But they will remain with meaning. Whatever you know in
this universe must be known as an instrument for fulfilling the
interests of your Ideal. The urge to fulfill will itself open up the doors
of unlimited action, unlimited knowledge and unlimited ability. Man
invariably has the seed of knowledge latent in him. He comes to know
whatever he is associated with. How do I talk on so many subjects ? It
is all based on realized facts. And whatever I say, and however I may
say it, I am talking about essentially the same thing. Lord Ramkrishna
said, 'I am not giving you all the knowledge now.' He kept things a
little closed. I am disclosing them with all clarity and this cannot be
appreciated by others unless they get in touch with you. You are
going to be the saviours of mankind. Those of you who are actively
working with me, you are the future gurus and saviours of humanity.”
February 4, 1940
Sree Sree Thakur pointed to one of us sitting around him in the
afternoon and said, "I have been telling him that whenever I feel
inclined towards a man I cannot rest until I am able to make him up

to my liking. I like him to come up to that standard by any means,
whether by thrashing, beating or whatever. One who is not able to
stand that can do nothing but fail. How cruel Ramdas Swami was to
Shivaji. People were surprised to see the amount of beating Shivaji
had to take. But Shivaji bore the punishment head bowed. One must
have such a grit that one does not rest until all are restored to the
right path by constant stinging, may death come by it or the highest
peak of glory."
February 5, 1940
Kestoda, Ramda, Saratda, Haripadada, Umada, Khagenda and others
were sitting in Sree Sree Thakur's room. Sree Sree Thakur did a little
bit of mental figuring and said:
"It is not at all difficult for the Ritwiks and Adhwaryyus to draw a
benefaction of two to four hundred rupees a month. It may turn out
so that all good people will be attracted to this. Efficient people will
no longer be available for salaried jobs. The work of a yaajak is much
more profitable and respectable from all standpoints than that of a
sub-deputy Magistrate. Each Ritwik should have his-own staff of
doctors, engineers, agriculturists, industrial experts, scientists etc. A
particular area is perhaps suffering from drought."
"That should put a bee in the bonnet of the Ritwik. His gang should
immediately take to research. This group should render service to
man in all possible ways ; inward, outward and at all levels. One also
has the task of controlling the fund set aside for the service of
environment. A total of 15,000 rupees per annum is likely to be
collected in a thana where 10,000 people are daily offering.
Istobhriti. If that fund is utilized for the benefit of that area, one
need not fawn for favour."
"On one occasion a canal is dug, electricity is perhaps installed on

another, a school is built, industry is developed and so on. People cry
themselves hoarse for independence, but if one moves on like this,
independence will come without a movement for it. People will
spontaneously understand what is good for them, what is
advantageous to them. Each individual has the whole world to gain
and nothing to lose from an arrangement and organization of service
directed toward the benefit of mankind and for the fulfillment of the
interest at all ; even a madman understands when something good is
done to him."
"That is why I cannot understand how any person can have conflict
with us. People used to starve and carry on some movement by going
to prison. Try to think for a while the difference between such a
movement inaugurated by the inflicting of suffering on oneself and
the type I suggest. The leaders are not able to understand this simple
thing, Try to appreciate them what a path the Aryans used to tread !
That is why the scriptures have stressed Istobhriti in so many ways. I
also assert that there can be no more honourable professions than
those of Ritwik, Adhwaryyu and Yaajak. Each penny is given out by
man's cordial urge. How sacred it is ! It has no comparison with the
money earned by service. Juice from the date palm is a kind of liquid;
so is urine. How different they are intrinsically ihough they look so
much alike !"
"And in this setup you are not slave to anyone. You are under
obligation to none. You are just children of the Lord. That is why the
gift from me to you is better than the donation taken directly from
the oblate. Under the latter arrangement some amount of obligation
sets in. One has to serve their whims to a certain extent, and it
sometimes becomes an impediment against going all out for the work
of the Lord. Jajan, Jaajanr Istobhriti and Swastyayani ; this is all that
the work amounts to- There is nothing else to be done. As long as the
path is, as far as the eyes, go, this is the way to move on."
February 7, 1940
In the afternoon Thakur talked with Maulavi Sahib. "Rasul on many

occasions stressed past Prophets and those that were to follow. He
went so far as to say that it was not possible to name the host of
Prophets that were to follow. One who tries to make a distinction
among the messengers, making one small and another big, is a kafir (
unbeliever ). There may be five children born of the same father.
Don't you think that you belittle the father by ignoring the others and
giving regard to only one of them ? If you arc not able to discover the
grandfather in the grandson, you have not seen the grandfather at
all."
"Grandfather exists in the grandson as the former prophet exists in

the present one. It is the annotations that do us mischief $ they twist
all that is straight. It is not difficult to believe that there is no
difference in the essential facts. All the trouble starts from the
artistry of interpretation. There is a group who accept Khoda ( God )
but not the Rasuls. What an absurd position to take ! There are many
who make difference between Hazrat Rasul, Hazrat Jesus and Hazrat
Buddha. A greater mistake cannot be made."
Maulavi Sahib listened to all with reverence and said, "All that you say
is absolutely right."
June 24, 1940

Kestoda and others were discussing war with Thakur who was
reclining on a pillow atop a chowki (wooden bed) outside at evening.
Suddenly Thakur spoke up, "If we can follow the laws of existence
properly, if we can fulfill Dharma, the Uphold, in all walks of life, and
if there is no deviation in this move, then this Uphold radiating a
living light at every step of the way will be responsible for a world-
rescue. And this is most normal -, there is nothing Utopian about it."
July 3,1940
Akshoy da, Kesto da and many others were sitting inside Thakur's
room in the morning.
Sree Sree Thakur: "Better type of men are required to build up an

organization. Active and sincere men of strong commonsense are
suitable for organization work; only they. A feeling for the collective
interest dies out in the character of an individual belonging to a
passion-abiding, mean, self-seeking and enslaved people. That is why
an organization cannot grow in such an atmosphere. Therefore it is

now necessary to nurture the instinct for organization in every
individual. Suppose someone treats you badly, immediately there
should be someone ready to put pressure on him. This is called
organization. Everyone should feel for everyone else. Each one should
stick to his own job and at the same time help the other fellow."
"One should develop this feeling: if anyone is affected I am also

affected. He will not leave his post and crave to be someone else out
of inferiority. He will make things smooth for others by discharging
his own duties with dignity. We have to be like this body system; the
eye remains the eye; it does not desire to be the ear. Neither does
the ear want to be the eye. Just imagine the trouble that would come
if they did. Each part helps all other parts. Each goes about its own
work and knows that a contravention of this law will weaken it along
with the entire body system and cause eventual death. It has to be
automatic to the same degree in an organization; only then can it be
called an organization. And this will sprout forth naturally wherever
there is unity, discipline and love for a common Ideal."
July 15, 1940
On the topic of distortion of the teachings of great men in the hands

of interpreters Sree Sree Thakur said jokingly, "Perhaps these
couplets of mine will turn out to be very popular. May be they will be
included in the school curriculum. So many commentaries will be
afloat i If I am born again, I will have to read them. Perhaps I will not
be able to understand the notes. Perhaps, the teachers will beat me
to the point of death. Am I writing these for this purpose?"
August 21, 1940
On the subject of whether or not work for Ideal absolves one from
sufferings caused by past deeds Sree Sree Thakur said:
"That you will immediately reap all good fruits when you embark on
right action—that is not the idea. The effect of wrong action is bound
to appear first. Every action gets its effect. Nothing can stop it. But
man can manipulate the situation arising out of the action and can so
utilize it for the benefit of the Ideal that it cannot give rise to
anything but good. The bad thing will come but will not he able to do
harm. Take for instance Naren da. He burned his hands and feet in
the bus that caught on fire. But he undertook such actions even in
this situation that the environment was charmed. Without paying the
least heed to his own burns, he started helping out others. He started
elating them even in that crisis. He was able to create an atmosphere
wherein those who were less injured forgot their own pains and
started following Naren da's instructions. This is how he could utilize
such a serious accident for winning over his environment. This is how
an adverse situation can be transformed."
Nafar da is very unwell. Sree Sree Thakur spoke to him while sitting in
the Philanthropy Office.
''There is some complex or other at the root of all illnesses. A man
gets overpowered by the passion and moves accordingly; then follows

the disease. If you don't search there and do not lay your hands on
that, wherever and however you may seek, whatever may be the
quantity of medicine administered, nothing is of any avail. Lawgiver
is one of the names of God. One cannot manage without abiding by
the laws. Man submits to the life-denying laws of passion but does not
go by the laws of life and happiness. That is why suffering becomes
inevitable."
April 26,1941
Sree Sree Thakur came out for a walk after the storm. Some of us
went with him. A little ahead, Thakur came across a fallen bel tree in
revered Bor da's compound. Pained at the sight, he said, "Many
sentiments are associated with this bel tree ( bilva tree or Wood
Apple - Aegle marmelos). There used to be a Durga Festival held here
under this tree; the goddess used to be invoked. It was planted by my
great grand-mother."
November 24, 1941

There is a carnival of merriment around Thakur these days in the
early hours of the morning. Mothers and brother all gather around
Thakur's tent, while he is still lying on his bed. Usually Induda,
Bimalda, Ishadada, Panchananda, Birenda, Kshitishda, Saratda,
Sailenda, Devida, Pyarida, Haripadada and other brothers along with
Kalidasima, Saroijinima, my own mother and others present. These
morning sittings have continued for a couple of months in this way. By
the middle of November Kestoda, Chunida, Ratneswarda, Kedarda,
Nibaranda, Motida, Tarakda, Jogeshda, Kironda, Birenda, Jogenda
Ashuda and others started coming back to the ashram. They also
gather around. Sweet talks ensue. Sri Sri Thakur sometimes talks
while sitting up, sometimes smoking and reclining on a pillow, his
face smiling and beaming with happiness and bliss. His voice is
sometimes flooded with sympathy, replete with a tune of affection
and intimacy, sometimes rich and resounding. A touch of the infinite
is in his look, suggestions various thoughts are in the movement of his
brows, an unfurling of deeper thoughts and emotions in the graceful
movement of his beautiful body. On the sandy river beach of the
Padma in the fading of misty winter evening there appears anew the
historic days of past Rishis in their forest abode. The unparalleled
sweetness of these nights can be felt only by those who have
materially enjoyed them. This morning Sri Sri Thakur was saying as
though to himself, "In God there is wealth and mastery, in the way of
fulfilling whom an individual's knowledge in any particular aspect
fulfils his knowledge in all others, thereby turning out meaningful in
attaining final fulfillment. This is the relationship between man and
God. Man can discover God in another real man through a process
similar to the above, as Arjuna found in Sri Krishna and as Hanuman in
Sri Ramachandra and as Vivekananda in Sri Ramkrishna. In the urge
for the desired one, in holding him as the goal, all that is in him
attains to a state harmony ; each quality fulfills the next and gets
integrated and consolidated. One gets welded on to the next. This
happens when all qualities are utilized for the felt necessity of
establishing the Ideal. Such a pursuit goes to converge all the
passions, explain and adjust them into a harmonious cosmos. Then is
man automatically raised to a state of abundance. Then also is God
all in all for him."
June 4, 1941
I went to Sree Sree Thakur just before nightfall. In the course of a

discussion he said, " Study Anatomy, Physiology, Physics, Chemistry,
Biology and Geology. With a primary knowledge in these things you
can work efficiently."
June 20, 1941
In the evening Chuni da, Biren da, Kiron da, Rajen da and many
others were present.
Sree Sree Thakur spoke of many things. " Mere qualifications will not
do. One has to see whether they are adjusted or not. He is
an 'underman' if he is not profitable, beautiful and productive. It is to
be seen whether or not a man can sacrifice any of his passions for the
sake of his principle, and if he does so, whether or not he suffers a
mental conflict. Mere words do not indicate anything. One has to
observe the character, a man's ways and activities. Birds of a feather
flock together. One doesn't have to introduce one opium smoker to
another. A person in whose habit and character smoking has not set
cannot, however, instinctively recognise another like himself. It is
possible to judge a man by the way he lights up a hukka. The skill of
acquisition is a great test. Any man can give out of his own coffers,
but his real work is shown when he collects this money. In what time
he makes the collection, how he gets it, whether he bluffs or not ; all
these go to show his capacity. One has to take from men in such a
way that they are elated to give. One has to win the mind. If I want
to take revenge on someone, I start thinking how I shall win him, I
pursued an offended playmate for twelve years, praised him before
his face and behind his back, roused a feeling of remorse, and
smoothed things over once again."
July 7,1941
Dhiren da was sitting with Thakur. Some couplets were read out to
him at Thakur's request.
Expanding on the thought of one, Thakur said, " We don't have to

worry when the mind goes down. Wherever the mind may be, its
state is bound to change as one manipulates acts and words. This can
be done in a flash. It is quite within our control."
I read next the couplet:
" Put in action for the Lord

The zest for sex enjoyment
And you will taste through that
The sugar of attachment."
Sree Sree Thakur added, "If you have a feeling of uneasiness in

carrying out work for your Ideal, it is to be understood that some
passion in you is left unwilling and uninterested. Real -union has not
taken place. And really, I used to have a feeling of intoxication as in
passion—the eyes of passion grow—the engine, a tree in a particular
place ; I used to enjoy as though with hungry eyes all around. What a
feeling it was ! But it all disappeared when my mother passed away. I
have seen a Vaishnav lady and I have seen a Sadhu like this, but I
have not seen any other of their like. The Vaishnav lady used to
say, 'He ! He !.' She used to fondle me very much, used to have trance
at times ; so normal it was too, swoon-like. It was not after the
dramatic style. A hundred people would weep when she wept, laugh
when she laughed, would run after her when she ran. Sometimes she
would play hide and seek at a tree as though she had been able to
locate someone. She would give up taking food if she understood that
I was unfed up to that time. The Sadhu would not eat anything
without feeding me first. Neither would he allow anyone else to eat
anything. He would take a pice or two according to his need from the
money others would give him. The rest he left behind ; children
would pick it up. What a look he had in his eyes, the day he left the
place ; My whole heart flooded. He said, 'My child ! We shall meet
again'."
November 22, 1941
Early this morning Thakur said, "Treating illnesses by uttering Name

has been done on many occasions. It is better to/keep a record of
these. It cannot be effective if there is a doubtful or sarcastic
attitude in yourself.or in your immediate environment. An effulging
shower of vital force occurs if one repeats the Name while touching
the patient without any question of success or failure in mind. Illness
gets cured through an increased curative force. There has not been
any record of even an infection spreading through this process. It is
better to make an observation on these points."
November 23, 1941
The day had hardly dawned. Sree Sree Thakur was just awake and
was sitting on his bedstead. Teachers of Tapovan were present.
Someone asked, " Children do not feel the necessity of reading the
books that are thrust on them in their student life ; they do not get
any interest in them. What is the way out of this difficulty?"
Sree Sree Thakur : "If the education is imparted through work and
play, this situation cannot arise. Perhaps you make a Railway Train
with the boys and say, I'll give it a start. Just blow the whistle and
wave the green flag.' The boys will unconsciously learn a lot through
this kind of play. They will acquire the knowledge of many things with
zeal from books if they feel the need of knowing the process of
making things. They will not have to struggle hard to remember
them. They do not forget a word when they read novels, but they do
not remember a single event in the Battle of Trafalgar. This problem
disappears if it is presented to them in the right way. The teacher has
to go on inventing various activities and games of novel type. There is
a feeling pf intoxication infused in the students then. Theoretical
studies should follow only when one vas a stand on the practical
work. If the student is unsuccessful, the teacher is responsible. One
has to find out the distinctive interest in each by watching him in his
field work. One has to observe the type of activity and the type of
story each one is interested in. ' One of my students is not able to
make progress'. This means that I have not been able to enter through
his door of interest."
Panchananda : "Does merit have no place then ?"
Sree Sree Thakur : "Merit-ferit and all else depends on the

attachment of a student for mother and teacher. One has to create a
furtherance of the original attachment. The headmaster may perhaps
say, 'What a love Panchananda has for you all t How intimate he is
with you `What a light shines through his dark skin when he teaches !
I wonder how on earth he can do it. Is he a man or an angel ? I for
one, an old man, have a fervent desire to sit with you on the same
bench and have lessons from him. Your teacher does such a lot for
you all. You should rather give him something before you eat,' To
create an auto-initiative urge for giving is a matter of great
importance. When the student comes to offer something to the
teacher, the teacher can say, 'As you have a desire to give me, so I
have one to whom unless I give something my heart does not rest at
ease. Come, let us go and give this to Thakur'. He will perhaps
say, 'Keep something aside for yourself. And you the teacher
reply, 'No, let us go. My happiness lies in making the offering to him
only. And we will give something to the headmaster also.' What an
urge will be created in the child \ His attention is immediately drawn
to Thakur. The teachers should parise each other. They should be
homely- intimate and loving in their attitude, but at the same time
there should be an honourable distance. The greatest harm is done
when someone goes to preach something which lie does not carry out
himself. The students thereby get a chance of making disrespectful
criticism. The work is achieved if beneficial habit, behaviour and
eagerness are normally transmitted through your own bearing."
November 24, 1941

There is a carnival of merriment around Thakur these days in the
early hours of the morning. Mothers and brother all gather around
Thakur’s tent, while he is still lying on his bed. Usually Induda,
Bimalda, Ishadada, Panchananda, Birenda, Kshitishda, Saratda,
Sailenda, Devida, Pyarida, Haripadada and other brothers along with
Kalidasima, Saroijinima, my own mother and others present. These
morning sittings have continued for a couple of months in this way. By
the middle of November Kestoda, Chunida, Ratneswarda, Kedarda,
Nibaranda, Motida, Tarakda, Jogeshda, Kironda, Birenda, Jogenda
Ashuda and others started coming back to the ashram. They also
gather around. Sweet talks ensue. Sri Sri Thakur sometimes talks
while sitting up, sometimes smoking and reclining on a pillow, his
face smiling and beaming with happiness and bliss. His voice is
sometimes flooded with sympathy, replete with a tune of affection
and intimacy, sometimes rich and resounding. A touch of the infinite
is in his look, suggestions various thoughts are in the movement of his
brows, an unfurling of deeper thoughts and emotions in the graceful
movement of his beautiful body. On the sandy river beach of the
Padma in the fading of misty winter evening there appears anew the
historic days of past Rishis in their forest abode. The unparalleled
sweetness of these nights can be felt only by those who have
materially enjoyed them.
This morning Sri Sri Thakur was saying as though to himself, “In God
there is wealth and mastery, in the way of fulfilling whom an
individual’s knowledge in any particular aspect fulfils his knowledge

in all others, thereby turning out meaningful in attaining final
fulfillment. This is the relationship between man and God. Man can
discover God in another real man through a process similar to the
above, as Arjuna found in Sri Krishna and as Hanuman in Sri
Ramachandra and as Vivekananda in Sri Ramkrishna. In the urge for
the desired one, in holding him as the goal, all that is in him attains
to a state harmony ; each quality fulfills the next and gets integrated
and consolidated. One gets welded on to the next. This happens when
all qualities are utilized for the felt necessity of establishing the
Ideal. Such a pursuit goes to converge all the passions, explain and
adjust them into a harmonious cosmos. Then is man automatically
raised to a state of abundance. Then also is God all in all for him.”
November 25, 1941
I asked, “You have expressed a desire to introduce agriculture,

carpentry, smithy, wicker-work, tailoring, weaving, masonry, etc. as
compulsory subjects in education. If we do not take up these lines as
professionals of life, what is the use of learning so many things ?”
Sri Sri Thakur : If one i“s accustomed to carry out these fundamental
activities with ease and with electric speed, one will not have to be
unemployed. You can give a start to any allied activity. No one will
be able to cheat you in these matters either. And then again, if you
are in the know of so many activities, whether you are a pleader or
otherwise, you will be able to carry on your professions finely and
successfully. Confidence will grow in you. Motor-Sensory co-
ordination and training for productive activity will lead you on to
success. If all activities are well within your grasp and ability, you will
not be puzzled in facing any situation whatsoever. The fine nerves of
the nation have become as though benumbed by long disuse of the
motor nerves.”
November 30, 1941
Sri Sri Thakur said to the mothers and brothers present. “All the harm
has set in due to discrepancy in eugenic relations. If the attachment
of the wife for the husband be not wisely conscious ; or, in other
words, if she does not have her eyes wide open, the child’s physical
health may be good. It will be dull in comparison. And then the
physical movement follows suit. All the tricks you have are limited by
what you were made of in the tummy of your mother. The shuttle
moves night and day but always on the same track.”
Someone said after other talk, “After all, to be big is nothing but
hardship, suffering and complete absence of rest for both body and
mind.”
Sri Sri Thakur : “The mental and physical expansion that takes place
through these toilings, the sensitivity that grows in the nerves, the
fatigue layers that are passed in stages, the expansion of
consciousness that take place : these are his real rest and comfort.”
December 2, 1941
“Exactly what is meant by individual distinctiveness ?“

Sri Sri Thakur : “The element that goes to make a man different from
others is his distinctiveness. The innate quality and heredity play a

great part in this. To these two are added the four complexes :
Oedipus, narcissus, homosexual and heterosexual. Though all these
complexes are present in each, one of them is prominent. You can
understand the distinctiveness by watching the three factors at play.
A man becomes elated if he is dealt with according to his
distinctiveness. He is likely to respond to an expression of the right
type, ‘Oh, how beautiful ! What a nice man he is ! How nicely he has
put it’ !”
December 3, 1941
Saratda : “What is to be done in the case of a man who goes on
saying, ’I am doing what ever He is making me do !”
Sri Sri Thakur : “All that is hypocrisy. You may say in such a
case, ‘Whether He makes you act or someone else, do you not desire
such and such things ? If you say that He is making you do it, then,
after all, He has become you and whatever you (He) will do will bring
a corresponding result on you (Him) due to divine law.”
“if all are His creation, then wherefrom did sin come ?”
Sri Sri Thakur : “If a man turns his face from the source, passion
overpower him. Man, though born out of his Father, has a liberty to
disown Him.”
December 4, 1941
Question : “You have asked us to take up the work of Ideal even

though in family wants, and again you have said, ‘Those who are a
failure in the affairs of the world are blinded in their spiritual eyes
too.’ Where is the synthesis of these two utterances ?”
Sri Sri Thakur : “If you devote yourself heart and soul for your Ideal,
your family as well centers around it. Though there may be wants and
complaints and a struggling period for a few days, this cannot last
long if one can carry out the work of Ideal, or if one is sufficiently
interested in establishing Ideal. Integration and consolidation
gradually set in in the family. Everyone gets active for the Ideal and
for one another. Take for example, how an excess urge flows in every
member of the family overflow with abundance. They all remain
eager for the fulfillment of Ideal’s wishes at every moment. They
remain prepared before-hand for whatever may be his needs. If one is
all set for Ideal, the family too under him gets in tip-top condition.
For example, somebody might require tem rupees for his own family,
but if he has to raise five more rupees for his Ideal, then he has to
move with an urge of fifteen rupees. He has to collect that anyhow
because he cannot rest content without feeding or giving to his Ideal.
And for this gift to his Ideal and for his Ideal’s establishment he has
no maintain his own life. The whole income then turns out as though
for Ideal. Ten rupees is within fifteen ; that is why he is never in a
state of want. You are, after all, showered with affluence through
this urge for giving to Ideal.”
December 6, 1941
As the topic of democracy was raised, Thakur said, “Look at this body
system of ours. Every organ is helping every other. As deficiency sets
in in a certain organ, others go to work to make it up. Each one’s

existence depends on the others, and all organs, separately and
jointly, are trying constantly to nourish the brain, the best organ, the
representative of the whole as it were. The brain is doing Guru’s
work. The brain is giving the impulse and is guiding everyone. This is
essential also for the structure of a real society. Without this no
organization can grow. It crumbles away. Try to understand what is
right : vox populi vox dei ; or vox expletory, vox dei. Wailing out of
suffering creates an atmosphere ; this incantation grabs a good pair
of brains, the soul of the saviour there comes down, a zygote lying
amidst placenta and chord begins to grow. To use the mythological
expressions, Narayana is lying in the sea of nectar, Lakshmi is stroking
his feet, he becomes awake on the day of his birth, and the ting lings
of his greatness become evident from that very day. Such a man is
the life and brain of the Nation.”
DISCOURSES
(From Second Part)
Sri Sri Thakur’s Conversation with Two Leaders of Assam Compiled and Translated
by Shri Prafulla Kumar Das, M.A., (Prati-Ritwik)
Introduction
It is Christmas time. At home they are decorating a tree, hanging on
it bulbs of bright colors, silver tinsels and lights. Under the tree go
gifts, wrapped in fancy paper. Doors are closed. If any one wants to
peep in at the tree, he does so through the keyhole in the door,
unless, of course, he wants to come in and help with the tree. Then
all doors are open.
When, on August 4, 1945, Shri Bordoloi came to Sri Sri Thakur at

Pabna in Bengal, Thakur gave him a glimpse, through as many
keyholes as he would peep, of the tree he was decorating. Thakur
found him and his companion, Shri Choudhury, very receptive. That is
why the conversation that then took place has seemed to Prafullada a
comprehensive outline of Thakur’s Ideology. And Prafullada has
chosen it of all Thakur’s conversations for translations into English. In
it Sri Sri Thakur gives his meanings of religion, renunciation, non-
violence, caste, education, eugenic improvement, national
integration, leadership and living Ideal. In it he suggests solution for
the tribal problem of Assam, the Hindi-Muslim question, and the wide-
spread social disorder and tenant-zaminder relations. In each case, he
touches only what he thinks is the nerve of the problem ; details are
omitted. He refers many times to India’s glowing past and eagerly
pleads for reforms along lines laid down by wise forefathers. And
throughout he makes his personal appeal, his invitation to love. Shri
Bordoloi can come in and help him decorate the tree.
Prafullada reports that the two visitors from Assam were greatly
elated, even surcharged with divine feeling.
Now it is five years later, and Christmas time. Shri Bordoloi, twice
premier of Assam, has passed away. The reforms and suggestions have
not been tried—not even the Bentley-Wilcocks plan so urgently put
forward by Sri Sri Thakur. Shri Bordoloi did begin his university in
Assam, and it is running ; but he called it ‘Gauhati University’,
not ‘Basistha University’. He looked at the tree through the keyhole
but did not knock on the door and drink of the juice that makes it
ever green. And yet his conversation with Thakur remains a keyhole
for any others who would peep in at Thakur’s tree.
Satsang Camp, E.J. Spencer

Deoghar, S.P.
December 21, 1950.
♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦
Shri Gopinath Bordoloi, Ex-Chief Minister of Assam, and the Hon.

Rohini Kumar Choudhury came to Central Satsang, Pabna from
Calcutta by Assam Mail today. They put up at Pramathda’s house.
They went there, took rest for a while, and then they went to
Thakur. Thakur was seated on a bedstead near the embankment of
the River Padma. It was the rainy season, and the water was flowing
past the embankment with a soft and sonorous splashing sound. They
came and took their seats on chairs beside Sri Sri Thakur. I came after
they did ; so I don’t know what conversation took place before I
came. It was night time of the dark fortnight.
Thakur said, “It is not convenient to talk if the face is not visible.” So
the light was put on. Kestoda, Panchananda, Chakrapanida,
Pramathda’s, I and others were present. Shri Bordoloi raised topics on
Dharma and Politics.
Thakur said, “Dharma is such a thing that nothing other than Dharma
can be Dharma ; so it is called a science. The cuckoo of England, of
the Sahara, or of any place utters the cry ‘coo,’ if it is a cuckoo at
all. Dharma is everywhere one and the same, and Dharma is all. You
will find in the Philosophy of Sri Krishna that He has spoken of all-
inclusive Dharma alone. He has not spoken separately of politics, as
something divorced from Dharma. Politics is an integral part of
Dharma. Politics normally evolves where there arises a big
crystallized community of people centering around Dharma and its
living embodiment. Then the slogan becomes spontaneous, ‘We take
shelter of Buddha, we take shelter of Dharma, we take shelter of holy
organization.’ In this way Dharma naturally includes Politics.”
Then came the theme of non-violence. Thakur paused and then

replied emphatically,”Non-violence necessarily presupposes violence
to violence. You cannot establish non-violence by allowing violence to
remain unhampered and undisturbed. To be non-violent to violence is
to nurture violence by indulgence.”
Shri Bordoloi brought up the problem of tribes in Assam. He referred

especially to their separatist tendencies. Sri Sri Thakur said, “We
must spread among them through the channel of Dharma ; we must
serve them, we must build institution for them suiting their needs
and give them power befitting their ability. Then they will feel us as
their own and will try with us to make the entire society powerful.”

Thakur went on spontaneously, “there are two aspects in Dharma ;

one divine ; the other, discrete. That which is divine is eternal,
universal and invariable ; there is no change in it. But the discrete
changes according to time, place and circumstance. For example, it is
necessary to take many chillies in one’s diet in Madras. But taking so
many chillies here will bring dysentery. There are some cold places
where the smoking of hemp (ganja) may be needed for one’s health ;
so there is Dharma to smoke hemp. But it will not hold good
everywhere. In emergencies there is also the provision for taking
beef ; but if out of lust we introduce it everywhere---
indiscriminately—then Dharma or scripture cannot be blamed for the
mischief. If we disregard moral law, nature will have its own
reaction. Do we care to obey scripture ? Say, for example, there is
definite mention in the Koran that the blood and flesh of creatures do
not reach Allah, but in actual practice just the opposite thing is
observed in the name of Dharma. There can be no difference among
true Hindus, true Muslims and true Christians. If there is difference,
there is no Dharma. At least, some deviation or disorder has crept in
somewhere. This is the plain fact I know ; I am not a learned man.”
Kestoda asked, “Where is the solution of all these problems ?”
Sri Sri Thakur replied, “The solution which brings solution of

everything and fulfills every aspect of life is the real solution. Today
taxes are bring imposed on people in so many forms, but if the system
of offering to deity and dedicating properties to selfless, benevolent
Brahmins—once in vogue—be again introduced with new impetus, lots
of things can be organized on the strength of that fund. How long
does it take to get back the golden age of India ? Push it and organize
it effectively. It is a tremendous thing, the loving offer of heart out
of gratitude. Those who give and the whole country receiving the
benefit thereof grow simultaneously. It is a materialized fact. Just do
and have. Oh! Sabyasachi, merely be an instrument ! Whatever we
do, we must achieve evolving integration towards the Ideal on the
basis of the nurture of individual instincts. Ideal means a practical
man who has realized the truth in flesh and blood. The realized men
whose very being habitually pulsates with the impulse of doing good
to humanity is verily the man who can be our Ideal. It is really
interesting to note that there were many, many seers in our country,
but every one of them used to recognize and revere all the others in
perfect amity, as if all of them combined represented one man. In
those days every community locked to the interest of every other
community, every man was the interest of every other man, and
every institution was the interest of all other institutions ; and the
magnificent result achieved thereby can be learned from the reports
of Magasthenes and others. When this integration was broken, it
spelled disaster for the country.”
Shri Bordoloi said, “We shall build a University at Gauhati in Assam.”
Sri Sri Thakur said, “Do ; do it immediately, Name it Basistha
University. What is the good, giving it the name, ‘Gauhati

University’ ? Propagate our ancient ideas and Ideals with all their
glory. External conquest is no conquest at all ; it is cultural conquest
that brings fundamental errors, and eugenic dislocation also invites
them. Adjust these two sides and organize agriculture, irrigation and
agricultural industry. Moreover, you are to make the whole nation an
integrated mass, where every community is for every other
community, every party is for every other party, every province is for
every other province. I say, there is no need of hatred. Any bacteria
may enter your body, but if you increase your vital power, they will
not be able to affect you. I do not understand the significance of ill-
will towards British. I always think in terms of augmentation of our
own powers. I also told to Dasda (Late C.R. Das). Also, we should not
lose sight of the fact that mere pacts can do no good, and
compromise of principle is highly injurious. We should also effectively
infuse the idea in society that there should be no question of Hindu,
Muslims, Buddhist or Christian. The basic point to be remembered
is ‘vox expletory, vox dei’ ; that is, we should accept the message of
an all-fulfilling capable person as the voice of God, to whatever
community be may belong. If you begin in right earnest, you can
accomplish everything in no time.”
Someone asked, “Under the present circumstances, how can things be

done immediately?”
Sri Sri Thakur said, “Yes ! You can have it done right now, but you
will have to work hard for it. Deer never enter the mouth of a
sleeping lion.”
Shri Bordoloi said, “If we can achieve success on a small scale, it is

not difficult to expand it extensively.”
“Yes ! You are very right. If a zygote is formed, it can be evolved into
a full-fledged body. If a nucleus takes proper shape, there is no
worry ; it will cover the whole country, like the bamboo mat of Sultan
Sahib.”
Sri Sri Thakur went on speaking with an emotional fervour. “There are
three things : Ideal, Individual and Environment. And again : Yajan
(religious practice), Yaajan (religious propagation) and Ishtabhriti
(love offer to Ideal). Each individual will have to observe Yajan,
Yaajan and Ishtabhriti with active attention to Ideal and
environment. His individuality, with all its special characteristics, will
sprout through it. And again, there is also the statement in the
Gita, “Those who propagate me will also attain to me’ ; Yaajan is
such a thing that God can be had only through it. Real automatically
brings Yajan and Ishtabhriti. There is no need to fear. We have fallen
a bit. That does not matter much. Even now our instinct, the
immortal necklace of germ cells within us, is all right. Everything will
be right if we can push on with alert eyes.”
Kestoda asked, “How is it that in spite of much effort we are not
getting the desired results ?”
Thakur answered, “How is that ? We have made practically no
endeavour. Why not analyze the origin, programme and maneuvers of
leaders of so called movements ? They have not yet been able to

discover the eternal India. They have no acquaintance with basic
problems. They are inviting more dangerous and deadly issues out of
their mishandling and bungling of problems which are more supposed
than real.”
While describing the characteristic features of Aryan India, Thakur

said, “We had such a nice adjustment then that the best of every
Varna (class) were always normally determined and they constantly
loomed large in the eyes of the people, being in the focus of public
attention, and the best among them used to be president. The
premier, with his cabinet, was elected out of an auto election of
nature. There was never a dearth of right men in the right places ;
the next best man was always ready ; and the criterion of his
excellence was experience, ability and service. The more a man did
for people, the more demonstrated ability a man had to his credit
and the greater he was thought. Those who demonstrated their
ability in small spheres were given higher and better scope. Even now
we should give chances to efficient administrators of union boards to
enter district boards and still higher spheres of responsibility. We
should keep intact the specialty of every Varna ; otherwise men of
specific traits become wanting. A man cannot attain to Brahminhood
(realization of God) if he abandons the normal representatives of
men. They might be called ‘Basisthas’. There were not one or two
Basisthas ; there were many. Basistha means a perfect controller of
passions and people.
“Our society was so ordained that there was no dearth of Basisthas.

Shambuk caused disruption in Varnasram, which is the regulator of
progress. He was creating disorder in society by bewildering people
and diverting them from the right path. But the Gita says, “We should
not create confusion among the ignorant who are attached to the
fruits of work’. So such a severe punishment (beheading) was
prescribed for Shambuk. We listen to the arguments of one group
alone, and so the fault of Shambuk does not appear before us, but
the scripture says that the main function of the king is to maintain
Varnasram. This is such a primary thing.”
Sri Sri Thakur paused for while, and then began, “Attachment to
superior beloved is the fundamental thing. If one moves forward with
attachment to a superior beloved, combined with active service ;
Dharma, Wealth, fulfillment of desires and liberation must embrace
him. How many wealthy men are there in the world like Sri Krishna,
Lord Buddha, Lord Christ, Mohammed, Sri Chaitanya, or Sri
Ramakrishna ? This is the only way to blessedness is this life and life
hereafter. Leadership is a mockery without this attachment to
superior beloved. If there is no concrete living Ideal before a man,
beyond his complexes, then his own complexes do not do not become
revealed to him. If the leader is not led, he will dig his own ditch of
ruin, and will also lead others thereto. You know the fate of Daksha
(efficient) Prajapati. And so it is evident that efficient can also be
the cause of downfall if there is no controlling agent in the shape of
Ideal. A man may be extraordinary gifted, but if he has no Ideal he
will create chaos. Take, for example, the case of Hitler. If Mahadev
(divinity) is sacrificed, if a mission is launched divorced from good,
then connected therewith meet destruction. Know it for certain that
Stalin has succeeded only because he has stood on Lenin. There is a
continuity of allegiance from Marx and Lenin down to Stalin. There is
a term ‘fallen’. The word does not mean fallen from the sky or
ground. A man who has no Ideal is fallen.”
Kestoda then asked, “By Ideal many men mean an idea alone. What is
the real significance of ‘Ideal’ ?”
Sri Sri Thakur : “If ‘Ideal’ doesn’t mean anything more then an idea,
then everything turns into mere idea. Ideal means an embodied Ideal.
Without embodied Ideal there is no conflict. The word ‘Thakur’
means a man who knocks. Suppose you have decided to go east. He
will say, ‘That will not do ; you have to go west’. In this way in our
normal life he creates conflict in us with our complexes. The
complexes can be recognized as complexes through our attachment
for him, and thus they gradually become adjusted, and it is thus that
a man grows. There is no limit as to how far a man can progress
through attachment for Ideal. See, for example, the case of Shivaji.
Ordinarily, he has no better than a commoner. Yet he vanquished the
Moguls out of a maddening love for Ramdas. But Rana Pratap could
not achieve anything due to his egoistic ambition. His whole plan was
upset. We must determine as to how a life glows out, and from what
particular glowing point. We should impart proper training to children
from their very infancy. The father should see that the child actively
serves the mother, and the mother must see that the child serves the
father. Suppose a boy gives a tomato to his mother. The mother
should take it and ask, “Won’t you give one to your father ?” Then
the boy will very probably say, ‘You mean Papa-Papa. Yes ! I must
give him’, and will run to get one. The mother should talk to her boy
about the glorious traits of his father, and the father also should talk
to him about his mother. The parents should narrate before the
children the glories of their forefathers in such a way that they are
puffed up and exalted with a sublime admiration for them. And for
the sake of example they should acquaint them with the life and
achievements of national heroes in a lucid and lively fashion. This will
give rise to so many Humans who will be able to hold the sun in their
armpits. But we move in such a way that the seed of disobedience
and disintegration is sown among them. Parents themselves do not
have active adherence to superior. What can be expected under the
circumstances ? It is not seldom that they ask their children to bow
down before Thakur ; whereas they themselves do not do so. Many
inconsistencies like that are deeply rooted in them. If the parents
behave themselves well, the special characteristics of children
normally unfurl. Character-building becomes solid. Otherwise, the
libidoic urge becomes upset, and as a result they become so many
thieves and robbers.
“Our society then had mastery over another branch of knowledge too.
It knew how to make marriage fruitful. Marriage is to be reformed in
that way. If the best and ablest among males have two or three
wives, there will be plenty of powerful men in the society and the
birth of inferiors will be minimized. Also, there will be more men to
lead them. So it is said that Anulom, or hypergamy, (union of female
with male of superior heredity) promotes life and growth. This is
consistent with science too. We see the fruitful application of this
principle in the animal and plant world. We consult the genealogy and
pedigree of cows, horses or dogs. We try to improve their species in
all possible ways, but we do not care to think as to how better
individuals will be born. Again, the tribal problem you were speaking
about can be easily solved by just absorbing them in the society
through the Anulom system of marriage. You know of Ghatotkach and
Babrubahan ; that this system of marriage was once in vogue can be
inferred from that. Have you looked around the whole country ? Say,
how many men are there who may be called men in the true sense of
the term ? Where are men of the ‘helmsman’ type ? One Rabindranath
has disappeared, but do you find another genius of similar type in
that field ? Or is there anybody who can approach him in
excellence ? ‘An excellent wife can be had even from a bad family.’
The support of Anulom is to be found everywhere. The tree is of the
seed, not of the soil. The soil is to be prepared according to the
seed ; this much. A mango tree cannot be had from the seed of a
jackfruit. So we must properly utilize the excellent seeds. In Anulom
marriage the issue becomes spirited and ardent, as were Vyas,
Basistha, Bidur, Narad. But too much difference is bad. Anyway,
newer blood is always necessary. Otherwise, the children gradually
become dwarf, dull and weak in body and mind.”
Chakrapanida asked, “Is there any connection between Physiology

and Psychology ?”
Thakur : “Yes ! Certainly there is co-ordination. Suppose you severely
beat a boy while teaching him. After two days you will find that he
will normally feel sleepy in your class. Again, there are cases where
men have turned out to be saints in the course of playing the role of
saints. Many become angry in the course of feigning anger.”
After this, Shri Choudhury said, “We have brought him (pointing to
Shri Bordoloi) here to show the place.”
Thakur : “Yes, I am feeling very happy. If it were an occasion in my

previous days, I would have rolled about in the dust, taking him in my
arms.”
Shri Choudhury : “If he is in the know of everything here, he may be

very helpful.”
Thakur : “Yes, out help means mutual help.”
Then Shri Bordoloi told Sri Sri Thakur as to what arrangements would
be made for economic, cultural and practical training in the new
University of Assam. With regard to cultural side, he said, “Of course,
the fundamental trend of culture can be imparted and infused by

Mahtamaji or people like you.”
Thakur : “Our workers will also establish a College here ; we want

your help. It is not right to say it at this premature stage, but I keenly
wish that a University would evolve here in the course of time. I have
thought that it should bear the name “Shandilya University”. Of
course, if you live long, and that in a progressive and Ideal-centric
manner, then verily I say everything will materialize.”
Shri Bordoloi : “We have not received proper education in schools and
colleges.”
Thakur : “You were not educated then ; you have been educated in
the practical field. You must so arrange things that students may
obtain that training, which you received in the practical field, from
the very beginning of their careers.”
There followed some talk about the Government Agricultural

Department of Assam. Sri Sri Thakur said, “Secure 25,000 men, owing
1000 bighas of land, who will be ready to dedicate 2½ kathas per
bigha for social service. And you must implement the irrigation plan
given by Wilcocks and Bentley—whether I live or die. This will
improve climate, production and all that. It is to be done not in
Bengal alone but in all the provinces, and the sooner you can do it
the better. If you can give shape to it within my life-time, the whole
country will be flooded with achievements and acquisitions.”
After this, Sri Bordoloi and Shri Choudhury took leave with faces
beaming and spirits soaring. When they had gone, Thakur said, “I
have been able to talk quite a lot because of their receptive mood.”
Then he asked us with childlike simplicity, “Have I said anything
inconsistent ? Will they be angry ?”
The next morning, Sunday, August 5, 1945, Thakur was waiting on the
verandah of Matrimandir. Shri Bordoloi and Shri Choudhury came. By
and by many others gathered there. When I came, I heard Sri Sri
Thakur saying, “If the eugenic aspect is ignored in any movement, the
movement becomes futile. What a beautiful arrangement this
Varnasram is ! Varna, which is popularly known as caste, means
pedigree ; it indicates how much the breeding capacity, or instinct,
of a particular individual is developed. A son of good family may be
bad but it will not take much time for him to be good if he gets
proper nurture. If there is no anomalous interpolation, it is not
unlikely that a man of rich heredity, though without any apparent
brilliance, will be the father of a great man. It may seem to be
something like a lotus growing in a heap of cowdung, but the basic
point is : though the acquisition of the man might not be satisfactory,
yet his inherent capacity for breeding superior types is intact. If
marriage is not properly reformed, there comes to be a dearth of men

of varied, specialized instincts and rich possibilities, and the number
of the inefficient increases. The more demand there is for girls in the
lower strata of society due to the practice of Anulom marriage the
better. Then the men of those strata create a demand for girls in still
lower strata ; and thus the circumference of society widens in an
evolving manner—assimilating and improving the lower in and towards
the higher. Our forefathers were seers ; they experimented with
these things. Move in that direction and see what happens. You will
go on growing.”
The Hindu-Muslim problem was mentioned. Thakur said, “I want

balance and integration. I want a state of things where nobody can
ruin or hamper anybody else, where everyone will stick to his
principle and unfold his special characteristics---and help others do
so. I do not wish anyone to be deprived of his real glory and dignity, It
is proper to assert it. If devotion to Ideal is weak, there peeps the
idea of so-called ‘compromise’ ; that is, compromise with Ideal, as if
there is something wrong in Dharma. But true unity cannot be
effected in this way ; rather, it impairs the interest of all. There is an
obnoxious habit of showing generously by sacrificing principle,
lending countenance to dirty deeds out of weakness. This sort of
generosity sells out the being at the demand of complex. It is never
right to tolerate baneful actions directed against culture, life and
society. It endangers public safety. If a militia is to be formed in the
country or martial spirit is to be roused among people, it must be
done with a view to stabilizing and consolidating Dharma, culture and
public welfare. So I speak of Kristiprahari (defenders of culture) or
Dharma-Goonda (defenders of Dharma). They will eat, drink, and go
about cheerfully, effectively checking and resisting all tyranny,
injustice, improper conduct and irreligious acts. Such an atmosphere
is to be created that it becomes impossible for men to move in a way
injurious to themselves and others. We may do things that lead us to
death, but not one of us wants to die. Take the case of Hindus. In
spite of their learning and talent they are today disintegrated and
weak due to their aversion to follow a common Ideal. But we do not
really want to remain weak. We want to be strong. But we are going
in just the opposite direction. We must stop this once and for all. Our
defect is incalculable. We all go on in this way, blaming each other,
No one is looking at his own fault or correcting himself. It is as though
we were all in the company of drunkards, yelling at one
another, ‘Stop ! Stop !’ But what is good, seeing faults and blaming
others ? All trouble stops if we just begin with our own doings.
Someone spoke of renunciation. Sri Sri Thakur said, “Renunciations is

not for the sake of renunciation. The main point is life and growth.
Nature has so ordained it that if we want to eat again we are to first
expel what we have already eaten. So man can easily conquer all
attractions that stand in the way of enjoyments that cater to life and
growth. No ego of renunciation haunts him there.”
Bharatda explained to Shri Bordoloi his researches on Aryan culture.
While they were talking Thakur looked affectionately at Shri Bordoloi

and said, “It is easy to be a king, but very difficult to be a leader. A
man cannot be a leader if he has not perfect control over his passions
and complexes. It is easy to be a Governor, but difficult to be a
teacher.”
Some writings of Thakur were read aloud. When Kestoda was

reading ‘The Message’, in connection with the word ‘religion’ that
appeared there, Thakur said, “Religion and Dharma are not the same
thing. Religion means to be born again, to approach the Guru and
bind oneself with him through initiation.”
Then there arose the topic of Russia and economic emancipation. Shri
Bordoloi said of Russia, “They are creating a Ravanic Civilization—as if
man has no need of attachment or allegiance to a higher entry, but
he himself were all in all.”
Thakur : “If it is so, there has their seed of decay and ruin.”
There was some talk of Government. In this connection Thakur

said, “I think the more the zaminders are empowered the better. If
the right types of zaminders are given administrative power, they will
be able to bring about better integration. I like the system of
Zamindary Government. In the management of the zamindary there
should be representatives of the zaminders and representatives of the
tenants. The representatives will endeavour in a combined way so
that through their nurture and service every tenant may grow to be
efficient, successful and affluent. The zaminder will look to the
interest of the subject and the subject will look to the interest of the
zaminder so that the zaminder nourished and enlivened by the
subject, may serve him well. The zaminder will make himself
responsible for whatever poverty the subject experiences, and will be
determined to remove it. Thus, if the zaminders stand behind people
as their efficient, sympathetic, beloved guardians, regulating and
safeguarding their progress ; and if in emergencies they have the
right to chastise and subdue their perversities in order to advance
their interests, it is certain that everyone will profit in the long run.
And if the well-motivated zaminders remain there between the
people and Government, they will be able to stand a good deal of the
shocks and blows from both sides. Thus everybody will be benefited ;
for the zaminders will absorb shocks and thereby avert disasters
which result from the explosive pressure of Government on people
and the people’s whimsical push against the Government.”
Shri Bordoloi and Shri Choudhury were listening with rapt attention
and were nodding their respectful assent. Thakur was speaking in an
inspired mood—putting his very soul into his words. There was talk of
the democratic method of work in relation to the formation of the
University in Assam. Shri Sri Thakur said, “Why be anxious about the
opinion of one and all ? How much do they (the voters) know about
their own welfare ? What is the extent of their vision and conception ?
The fundamental thing is to have a principal, an Ideal. If you have
keen urge and attachment for him, it will glow in and through your
thoughts, feelings, acts, looks, movements etc. Integrated personality
will grow out of this concentric tenor of life, and this personality
evolves into the demo-personality that knows how to fulfill all. And
this does undistortedly. So many movements are going on in the West
and in this country. I say, try the movement that our revered
grandfathers and forefathers had. We people always consider and
appreciate ideas indented from outside, but we never care to think of
our own rich heritage.”
Sri Sri Thakur was speaking with great feeling. The exuberance of his
emotion animated his whole being and all present were deeply
moved. Shri Bordoloi, Shri Choudhury and all others were left in a
contemplative mood. We sat silent, surcharged with a divine feeling.
After some minutes Shri Bordoloi and Shri Choudhury bowed down
before Thakur and took leave of him. Thakur asked them to come
again when convenient, and they agreed.
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Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra

The Supreme Soul Wednesday, January 3, 2007

environment by means of some instrument or other. That is probably

October 13, 1939

allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry to come to you,' He threatened me

October 17, 1939

heights he will reach tomorrow ?" Explaining why Ramachandra killed

establishment of Ideal, one can be in possession of good. Sin is that

October 18, 1939

In the evening a new visitor said to Thakur, "However much we exert

Sri Sri Thakur said, "But luck depends on doing. It is to be understood

The visitor said, "Why should I depend on someone? I can do it all

October 19, 1939

said, "why is mourning observed after somebody expires ? What is the

One of the brothers raised the question of service to country and

October 20, 1939

October 21, 1939

Manmathada asked, "What sort of jaajan should women do ?"

November 14, 1939

November 16, 1939

version from another man ? Everybody should know that as soon as

It was afternoon. Thakur was talking with a kirtan singer, Bahuballav

After a long discussion Thakur concluded, "There used to be a

Afterwards Goswaini came to us and said, "I am a religious instructor

In the course of conversation Thakur said, "I used to meditate

Kestoda said, "Eight fetters fall off in begging."

January 27, 1940

Discussing the subject matter of one of the couplets, Thakur

"Whatever I may say, the fundamental thing remains : see to the

January 27, 1940.

Thakur overheard our talk and said, "Samadhi is that peculiar

"That is why it is often said that a storehouse of knowledge opens up

inclined towards a man I cannot rest until I am able to make him up

"On one occasion a canal is dug, electricity is perhaps installed on

In the afternoon Thakur talked with Maulavi Sahib. "Rasul on many

"Grandfather exists in the grandson as the former prophet exists in

June 24, 1940

Sree Sree Thakur: "Better type of men are required to build up an

an organization cannot grow in such an atmosphere. Therefore it is

"One should develop this feeling: if anyone is affected I am also

July 15, 1940

On the topic of distortion of the teachings of great men in the hands

August 21, 1940

''There is some complex or other at the root of all illnesses. A man

gets overpowered by the passion and moves accordingly; then follows

November 24, 1941

I went to Sree Sree Thakur just before nightfall. In the course of a

June 20, 1941

Expanding on the thought of one, Thakur said, " We don't have to

I read next the couplet:

" Put in action for the Lord

Sree Sree Thakur added, "If you have a feeling of uneasiness in

November 22, 1941

Early this morning Thakur said, "Treating illnesses by uttering Name

November 23, 1941

Panchananda : "Does merit have no place then ?"

Sree Sree Thakur : "Merit-ferit and all else depends on the

November 24, 1941

individual’s knowledge in any particular aspect fulfils his knowledge

November 25, 1941