Dylan: right, is everyone here? Good, I think we can start. Well, good morning everyone.

Do you all have a copy of the background? All: Yes. Dylan: Thats good! I would like to thank you all for being here at such a short notice. Its being a little rush is because I just heard this problem from my friend yesterday and I thought is very important for our companys development. Anyway, first of all, Id like to introduce Tony who is going to be our human resource manager. Tony, this is our CFO Nicole and our legal adviser Marina. Well, would you like to say a few words about yourself? Tony: Good morning everyone, first of all, Id like to say Im glad to join this company and really looking forward to work with you, make some valuable contribution. Well, firstly, Ive master degree in management which I get this degree from UQ; then, Ive 8 years working experience as a senior human resource manager in Thiesss Sydney office. Right, thats the basic information about me and Id happy to introduce more in the later morning tea. Dylan: that would be great. Now shall we turn to todays main point Whether we should use illegal immigrants as cheap labour? Nicole: Sorry for interrupting, but Id just like to mention that, the accounting software designed by X company is crushed again, should we consider about accept the proposal from Y company to redesign it? Marina: Again? Well, its definitely not the outcome they guaranteed with, no matter whether we should accept Y companys proposal, we should write a letter to ask for the compensation. Dylan: Right. Its a very serious problem; Ill set a date of the next meeting to discuss this problem by inviting the manager of IT department. Now, can we move on to discuss whether we should use illegal immigrants? Nicole, would you like to kick off? Nicole: Well, in my opinion we should definitely use illegal immigrants Marina: No, no, no, its not very appropriate to use illegal immigrants! It has many drawbacks! Dylan: One at a time, please. First Nicole and then Marina. Nicole: Its no doubt that illegal immigrants are generally good, hardworking people who will quietly accept minimum wage or even below it, and they dont need health or other fringe benefits, most important, they cant even complain about it and we can just fire them anytime. Dylan: So, let me see if I understand. Are you saying if we use illegal immigrants we can save a lots of costs and been more productive? Nicole: Exactly! Dylan: Well, I did hear about it from my friend but could you give me some figures so we can have a further understanding. Nicole: Sure, here is the data. By using illegal immigrants we can improve the speed of finish a project by approximately 15%, and each illegal immigrant can help us save at least $3000 dollars monthly in salary cost and $2000 dollars annually in health and other fringe benefits.

Dylan: Thats a very attractive data, thank you Nicole. Well, Tony, after weve heard from Nicole can we have your views? I know you have some experience of this problem. Tony: Well, 99 per cent of building work is done by sub-contract building companies. Builders let out contracts for tiling, brickwork, formwork, steel, concreting and so on. They tell those sub-contractors they should observe the law, but the reality is if a sub-contractor has got illegal immigrants being paid sub-standard wages, their price will be very very low compared to a legitimate contractor that pays proper wages. Dylan: Thank you for your valuable opinion, Tony. Now Id like to ask Marina, how do you feel about this? Marina: Well, based on my experience, I do know there are many employers are using illegal immigrants as cheap labour on building site. The normal excuse for them is: under current laws it's impossible for them to determine whether the thousands of workers on their sites are legal. Though this is a very lame excuse, people can do nothing about it. Tony: The reason is because there are no relative laws and sanctions go against those employers, right? Marina: Exactly. In the present age, if you get caught with illegal immigrants you simply say, 'well, I didn't know the person was illegal', and that is regarded as a satisfactory defence. But, from our point of view, if you've got a company with 30 illegal immigrants being paid sub-standard wages, one would think that that company would be subject to prosecution. But, in fact, under current laws in this country there's never been any penalty or any prosecution of an employer caught with illegal immigrants. However, this situation wont last long. Dylan: Im sorry, what do you mean by wont last long? Marina: well, a spokesman for Philip Ruddock says the Government is introducing new laws in November which will impose penalties on companies which consistently employ illegal workers. Nicole: So are you sure the new law is going to publish in November? Since its less than a month and I dont heard any news yet. Marina: Well, typical government style. I also dont get any information about it, anyway, I think it may have a little delay but the new law will be publish thats for sure, since its a very serious problem which have to be solved. Dylan: Ok, Marina, can we just go over your objections again? Currently, there is no legal obligation and penalty for hire illegal immigrants, but there is going to have one very soon, right? Marina: Yes. Dylan: Ok, is there anything else we should consider? Nicole: Well, beside the legal problem, since the increasing interest comes to be attracted on this issue, it has been the subject of massive media coverage. In this situation, once there are someone find out we are using illegal immigrants, it must cause huge damage of our reputation.

Tony: I totally agree with you, since ABC said Thiess has been use illegal immigrants as cheap labour, their share value decreased almost 5%! Also, as my experience, mix the illegal immigrants with local workers is very easy to course serious conflict. Dylan: Ok, so, can I just summarize what weve discussed so far? Basically, hire illegal immigrants can save cost, improve work efficiency and wont have legal obligation and penalty. But there is going to have new laws go against this problem very soon, and even now, hire illegal immigrants may cause huge damage of our reputation, right? All: Yes. Dylan: Well, in my opinion, since we are all law-abiding citizen and this is also a very good and lawful company with good reputation, using illegal immigrants as cheap labour is not good for our long term development. So, I suggest we reject this proposal. Well, can we go round the table to see if everyone agrees? All: Yes. Dylan: Thats great. So Ill set another meeting about to discuss the accounting software problem, is there any other business? All: No. Dylan: Ok, thank you for join this meeting and your valuable opinions. Now lets go for the morning tea! The end