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>> process, nor that I'm becoming an official liason with NYPD/Brookfield/Mayor >> thru this committee's dialogue w/ CB1. >> >> In solidarity, >> >> Justin >> > > -> Sent from my mobile device
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Community Relationships Committee Friday, October 07, 2011 12:53:14 PM
We should do a temp check or take a vote from people at OWS BEFORE tonight to see if we can come to agreement to postpone GA and any people's mic activities until tomorrow night... Out of respect for the resident's request. Should start polling people there asap! Before sundown! On 10/6/11, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > We, the Community Relations Committee, wants to be super-transparent with > the GA as a whole, especially as our conversations deepen with Community > Board 1. We now know that they are in close communication with NYPD, > Brookfield and Mayor's Office, at the highest levels. That makes the work of > this committee very relevant to media, legal and more committees. > > Here's a link to the notes taken by my friend Naomi who joined me at > yesterday's CB1 Finance District Committee mtg: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U8OGcb9iSqaaoSuFDUrjz-sM5UOSVuEUPI-uqOIdWbY/edit? hl=en_US > > I'd like to speak with someone from legal tonight after the GA when I give > my report-back from this meeting. > > Again, want to make sure that I'm not becoming a bottle-neck for this > process, nor that I'm becoming an official liason with NYPD/Brookfield/Mayor > thru this committee's dialogue w/ CB1. > > In solidarity, > > Justin > -Sent from my mobile device
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Community Relationships Committee Friday, October 07, 2011 3:02:14 PM
We should get some type of temp check consensus from current occupiers and vote by tonight if necessary... Out of respect for jewish people that live near ows On 10/7/11, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: > Not drumming tonight would be super terrific, and a good example of > neighborly behavior. I don't think have a GA involves the same issues. > > The Yom Kippur folks tonight are considering crossing the street so as to > stay away from the drumming, but I think that's a shame. > > Charles > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am personally opposed to that idea, as my perception from the cb meeting >> was that it was one very vocal man's request that was then co opted by >> many >> residents who just want blanket quiet and are using the holiday as a >> rationale for that. Perhaps we can ask for no drumming tonight and >> tomorrow >> night after 7pm out of respect for the holday. >> >> We are hosting a yom kippur service at 7pm tonight, In parallel w ga, as >> fR >> as I understand. >> >> I've also heard there is ga in Washington sq park tomorrow, is that true? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > We should do a temp check or take a vote from people at OWS BEFORE >> > tonight to see if we can come to agreement to postpone GA and any >> > people's mic activities until tomorrow night... Out of respect for the >> > resident's request. Should start polling people there asap! Before >> > sundown! >> > >> > On 10/6/11, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> We, the Community Relations Committee, wants to be super-transparent >> with >> >> the GA as a whole, especially as our conversations deepen with >> >> Community >> >> Board 1. We now know that they are in close communication with NYPD, >> >> Brookfield and Mayor's Office, at the highest levels. That makes the >> work of >> >> this committee very relevant to media, legal and more committees. >> >> >> >> Here's a link to the notes taken by my friend Naomi who joined me at >> >> yesterday's CB1 Finance District Committee mtg:
>> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U8OGcb9iSqaaoSuFDUrjz-sM5UOSVuEUPI-uqOIdWbY/edit? hl=en_US >> >> >> >> I'd like to speak with someone from legal tonight after the GA when I >> give >> >> my report-back from this meeting. >> >> >> >> Again, want to make sure that I'm not becoming a bottle-neck for this >> >> process, nor that I'm becoming an official liason with >> NYPD/Brookfield/Mayor >> >> thru this committee's dialogue w/ CB1. >> >> >> >> In solidarity, >> >> >> >> Justin >> >> >> > >> > ->> > Sent from my mobile device >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Don"t let their poison divide us. Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:46:57 PM
"fiercely inclusive" i like that! John! On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:35 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > > Divide and Conquer is the most effective technique used by the 1% over the > centuries. Dont let their poison divide us. Accusing each other of bias > will doom us to failure. > > > > I have been working with the GA on OWS since August 2, and I have been > working with many of the occupiers since before that. We are the most > fiercely inclusive group I have ever met. We want to include all of the > 99%. We all came together because we are trying to save the world, and we > know we need everyone to do it. I have never seen anyone in all of these > months exclude or talk about excluding anyone based on race, ethnicity, > religion, gender, gender preference or any of the other divisions (except > maybe for being capitalists, which I think is a mistake). > > > > We are building a new structure from scratch, without the comforts of > leadership and hierarchy to keep everything flowing smoothly. > Communications can be a problem. Working groups can be hard to find. > Sometimes when I find them they already have their own ideas and dont want > to change easily. They are human. > > > > I am a middle aged white male. I hate saying that. I was raised to > interact with people as individuals and to judge their actions and not their > identities. I am not a socialist or an anarchist, so I am under represented > at OWS, but I am trying to save the world, so I keep putting forth my > opinions even though many of my opinions are not popular, and doing outreach > to everyone I know, even though many of my friends are not socialists or > anarchists. I do not judge my colleages at OWS based on their labels, but > on their commitment and perserverence. I love the energy and bravery and > ideas brought to the GA by all of the different groups represented here. > > > > I am trying to build a world that does not concentrate on our differences > but our similarities. We all bleed. We all cry. We all love. We all need > each other. > > > > I understand that the centuries of oppression are real, and ongoing. I am > not saying that we should be blind to bias. But our reaction to it must be > proactive and not divisive. I have no problem with progressive stack. I > have no problem with affirmative action. If you feel someone is under
> > > > > > > > > > >
represented. Go out and drag them to the GA. If you feel they voices are not being heard, beg them to raise their hands and make their opinions heard. We are listening.
Our message should not exclude anyone except those that want to divide and conquer us. We are all outreach. OUTREACH TO EVERYONE. Thank you again for your patience, and impatience, John McGloin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: #OccupyWallStreet with Art Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:12:34 PM
This is incredible Justin!!! Brilliant!! On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Will be epic tonight. Saw things last night and it's incredible! > One logistical point: would be great to seed the idea of keeping marches > away from wall St tonight, as the last thing we need is a lockdown so nobody > can get into gallery. > -Justin > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> > Date: October 8, 2011 8:48:40 AM EDT > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, GEM Listserv > <grassroots-education@googlegroups.com> > Subject: #OccupyWallStreet with Art > > Dear friends, > > I am writing to invite you to a remarkable moment. Protest artists from all > over the city - and the world - have converged onto #LibertyPlaza. You've > seen their vast collage of signs, tshirts, video projections and more. Now > it's time to take them to Wall Street: > > On Saturday, Oct. 8, for 6 hours only, Wall Street will be occupied with > art. Not profiteering or credit default swaps. Not disenfranchising The 99% > to prop up an unaccountable elite that peddles in influence over our > schools, neighborhoods and public spaces. Just art. #OccupyArt. > > The site of this magnificent exhibit couldn't be more symbolic: the historic > JP Morgan House, gutted and left for years to decay as our financial system > collapsed. Inside 23 Wall Street, steps from the world's largest stock > exchange, another exchange is happening. A peaceful, non-destructive > exchange of creative ideas. > > Please come join us from 3-9pm at 23 Wall St. as we, the occupiers of Wall > Street, exhibit #NoComment: a pop-up art show inspired by the > #OccupyWallStreet movement. > > Sincerely, > > Justin Wedes > 1 Organizer, NYC General Assemby
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Thadeaus september17@googlegroups.com Eric Drooker Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:55:30 PM
I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well!
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:33:42 PM
Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:05:59 PM
It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 2:52:02 PM
this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:54:37 PM ATT03965.dat
I am a person of color and I can maybe speak sometimes! On a related note, we should (or do we) have some sort of semi- or un- or official media training for folks (what some common questions are, etc.) --glj (gabjoh2 at gmail.com, in case that is obscured by google groups) Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:46:16 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster can you send me a list of people i can refer the media to? can't keep up on our end, and yes, i think we def are way too white guy focused, speaking as a white guy ;-) On 10/7/2011 3:40 PM, Lisa wrote: YES!!!!! Thank you Shaista! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached).
Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful
new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:48:19 PM
Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build
momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:48:05 PM ATT03980.dat
YES ME and i have a long list of extremely articulate well educated savvy people of color and women who NEED to be trained, in order to do this properly and in the spirit of inclusiveness and participation--representing the General Assembly and nothing else. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:46 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: can you send me a list of people i can refer the media to? can't keep up on our end, and yes, i think we def are way too white guy focused, speaking as a white guy ;-)
On 10/7/2011 3:40 PM, Lisa wrote: YES!!!!! Thank you Shaista! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages:
www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:46:32 PM ATT03986.dat
can you send me a list of people i can refer the media to? can't keep up on our end, and yes, i think we def are way too white guy focused, speaking as a white guy ;-) On 10/7/2011 3:40 PM, Lisa wrote: YES!!!!! Thank you Shaista! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric
P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Friday, October 07, 2011 3:40:10 PM
YES!!!!! Thank you Shaista! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another signifier to make sure there is no confusion-perhaps a feather (i am just giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate that further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's please please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong polemic with some people of color who were complaining about young white protesters who wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were complaining that immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put people of color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police are attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous white youth who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the fuck up. Thanks, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it
will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-says-goodbye-to.html On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com> --PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jerome september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:36:45 PM
I'm not conservative, but money and politics should not be put together. So if a megaspeculator tells me that he is supporting me, i'm a bit worried. Especialy if the guy is accustomed to finance movements, left or wrigth for his own purposes. i don't think it's like warren buffet for example. Because warren buffet is not financing politics as much as George Soros. We're not using so much money, so i'm not worried from that stand point, and i don't think he can take over the movement. But i'm pretty sure that's what he want's to do. From my stand point, soros is part of the guy that created the crisis from the beging*, unlike warren buffet. (* speculation on derivatives, and sub-prime loans, he even wrote a book about it) So if he says he supports us, i think there is a problem of honesty, and cynicism from his part. That needed to be said. I don't think we should ban him from coming a speak to our assemblies, because nobody should be excluded. But i think we should ask for him to be honest. Can democracy work without honesty??
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:02:01 PM
if Soros speaks at the park or in support of us, we are finished. i have over 500 emails from people complaining about Soros. he is very devise. if you guys don't agree, and he shows at the park, we will have to go into all out PR mode to make sure people know that anyone can just show up and speak. On 10/6/2011 12:36 PM, jerome wrote: > I'm not conservative, but money and politics should not be put together. > So if a megaspeculator tells me that he is supporting me, i'm a bit > worried. > > Especialy if the guy is accustomed to finance movements, left or wrigth > for his own purposes. > > i don't think it's like warren buffet for example. Because warren > buffet is not financing politics as much as George Soros. > > We're not using so much money, so i'm not worried from that stand > point, and i don't think he can take over the movement. > But i'm pretty sure that's what he want's to do. > > > From my stand point, soros is part of the guy that created the crisis from > the beging*, unlike warren buffet. (* speculation on derivatives, and > sub-prime loans, he even wrote a book about it) > So if he says he supports us, i think there is a problem of honesty, > and cynicism from his part. That needed to be said. > > I don't think we should ban him from coming a speak to our assemblies, > because nobody should be excluded. But i think we should ask for him > to be honest. > > Can democracy work without honesty??
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:12:04 PM
IN Tahrir Egypt--Freedom House tried to take a lot of credit initially, propping up certain leaders of the movement and financing groups, but that didn't work once labor was injected into the struggle with strikes etc. --(eg. i saw Mona Altahawy here, she is always in the media because she is paid by Freedom House).. It will be important for Open Forum to pay attention to who is invited to speak--and there is no way to control who shows up...It matters very little--as a media strategy, remember, we can always use Soros to appear and some good folks can challenge his policies--Soros showing up also provides an opportunity for voicing a critique. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:01 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > if Soros speaks at the park or in support of us, we are finished. i have > over 500 emails from people complaining about Soros. he is very devise. if > you guys don't agree, and he shows at the park, we will have to go into all > out PR mode to make sure people know that anyone can just show up and speak. > > > On 10/6/2011 12:36 PM, jerome wrote: >> >> I'm not conservative, but money and politics should not be put together. >> So if a megaspeculator tells me that he is supporting me, i'm a bit >> worried. >> >> Especialy if the guy is accustomed to finance movements, left or wrigth >> for his own purposes. >> >> i don't think it's like warren buffet for example. Because warren buffet >> is not financing politics as much as George Soros. >> >> We're not using so much money, so i'm not worried from that stand point, >> and i don't think he can take over the movement. >> But i'm pretty sure that's what he want's to do. >> >> >> From my stand point, soros is part of the guy that created the crisis from >> the beging*, unlike warren buffet. (* speculation on derivatives, and >> sub-prime loans, he even wrote a book about it) >> So if he says he supports us, i think there is a problem of honesty, and >> cynicism from his part. That needed to be said. >> >> I don't think we should ban him from coming a speak to our assemblies, >> because nobody should be excluded. But i think we should ask for him >> to be honest. >> >> Can democracy work without honesty?? > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jerome september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:28:26 PM
i don't think soros would show up himself. But i just said that we should have open debates, event to speculators. (he is a human beeing after all) The problem from him would be his money, or the unions that he finances. Soros problem is the symbol of corporate money together with politics. Plus he is part of the guys that directly created the crisis.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Friday, October 07, 2011 11:19:46 AM
Breitbart, TheBlaze, ResistTyranny, and TeapartyNation are already fully dedicated to implicating Soros. A raft of nonsense hit twitter last night. Just let them bloviate. Most tune out the Soros hysteria pretty quick. It's best to ignore it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Friday, October 07, 2011 12:04:46 PM
Maybe it would help if we clarified Soros's role in the movement form one of the official Twitters: the fact that he's central to the Jewish OWS conspiracy to steal Americans' bodily fluids? Just to clear the air a little. --glj On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Breitbart, TheBlaze, ResistTyranny, and TeapartyNation are already fully dedicated to implicating Soros. A raft of nonsense hit twitter last night. Just let them bloviate. Most tune out the Soros hysteria pretty quick. It's best to ignore it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jerome september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Friday, October 07, 2011 2:54:04 PM
i don't think that because libertarians ,and conservatives are saying bad stuff about soros, it means that it's not true. or that because i'm leftwing i represent the forces of the truth and the good. But i just think that a guy that finances political groups for his own purposes. Plus the fact that he is a mega speculator, is something we should not close our eyes on. he has proved to involve himself in strikes and revolutions in other countries. For example he financed right wing groups against communism in ukraine, georgia, even russia. it's a bit of a paradox for conservatives to be against him since they are anti communist. I think we should just stress the fact that we are against corporate money and politics, and that soros has a human beeing has the right to speak at our assemblies. But not to corrupt us with money.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Friday, October 07, 2011 1:20:27 PM
IMHO there does need to be clarification on Soros, my inbox is flooded in Soros questions / hate. very frustrating! On 10/7/2011 12:04 PM, Gabriel Johnson wrote: Maybe it would help if we clarified Soros's role in the movement form one of the official Twitters: the fact that he's central to the Jewish OWS conspiracy to steal Americans' bodily fluids? Just to clear the air a little. --glj On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Breitbart, TheBlaze, ResistTyranny, and TeapartyNation are already fully dedicated to implicating Soros. A raft of nonsense hit twitter last night. Just let them bloviate. Most tune out the Soros hysteria pretty quick. It's best to ignore it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of studentterps@yahoo.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Friday, October 07, 2011 12:41:20 PM
I may have missed something, but is there any evidence at all, outside of the delusional ramblings of the right-wing libertarian paranoids, that soros has any interest in being involved in this? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:04:20 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Maybe it would help if we clarified Soros's role in the movement form one of the official Twitters: the fact that he's central to the Jewish OWS conspiracy to steal Americans' bodily fluids? Just to clear the air a little. --glj On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Breitbart, TheBlaze, ResistTyranny, and TeapartyNation are already fully dedicated to implicating Soros. A raft of nonsense hit twitter last night. Just let them bloviate. Most tune out the Soros hysteria pretty quick. It's best to ignore it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:35:14 AM
This is a bit of a problem in terms of the Glenn Beck crowd getting paranoid, but who the heck listens to Beck anymore? Soros has done some good stuff and some bad stuff in the past, and if we want to make crystal clear we're not beholden to him or anyone else, let's do that, but I don't see any reason to condemn him (also helps that that article is in French). Also to keep in mind, there are quite a few of the "one percent", so to speak, that do support us/our goals at least to some degree; Warren Buffet, the people holding up signs saying "we're the 1%, tax us more", others who I can't think of at the moment. --glj 2011/10/6 jerome <nbwproject@gmail.com> Here is an article in french in wich Soros says he supports Occupy Wall Street. For those who don't Know Soros. I suggest you find out. http://www.boursier.com/actualites/economie/georges-soros-s-indigne-a-son-tour11033.html Le grant de fonds spculatif Georges Soros a pris de court ses interlocuteurs, en dclarant qu'il "comprenait franchement la raction" des militants anticapitalistes d'"Occupy Wall Street", qui battent le pav devant la Bourse de New York depuis prs de 3 semaines. Interrog en marge d'une confrence de presse organise l'ONU, le financier amricain a prcis que la colre exprime par les manifestants anticapitalistes, mais aussi par les militants ultraconservateurs du "Tea Party", visait principalement les actions des banques.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!! Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:24:11 PM
HES ONE OF THE 1%

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jerome Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:19 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] George Soros NO THANKS !!!
i don't think soros would show up himself. But i just said that we should have open debates, event to speculators. (he is a human beeing after all) The problem from him would be his money, or the unions that he finances. Soros problem is the symbol of corporate money together with politics. Plus he is part of the guys that directly created the crisis.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Glen Ford Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:55:52 AM
You should pose his speaking to facilitators & ask Empowerment & Education Working Group is theres a time he can speak longer. Their schedule is very packed today. Write to empowermentandeducation@gmail.com and to Babak K [bkarimi17@gmail.com]
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David DeGraw Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:36 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day
Glen Ford's cell: 908-444-5769 - pls call him if you can, otherwise i'll ask him to go to Wash Sq, i'm sure he would love to speak to GA On 10/8/2011 9:47 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: But Occupy Wall Street will be at Washington Square at that time; bring him there & let him speak to GA.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua van Praag Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:45 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day
Hi David This is Josh from media. I can bring this to livestream team's attention. How do we find him? J. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemynumber-one
On 10/7/2011 7:09 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know . We are all outreach and we all need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of people as possible . On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large ? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro -actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism . Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back . > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black --its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary --the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative . White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism --just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism ... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement . We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity --impossible to >> ignore --- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white . If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white . Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non -white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old . >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Group Claims to represent Occupy Wall Street Demands Friday, October 07, 2011 9:44:20 AM
In the absence of more definition we should emphasize what we already have. We should publicize more the Declaration. There should be a stack of photocopies in the Information/recruitment booth and we should reply constantly to the lack of definition by the media with the Declaration, which is substantial. Cesar On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: This group purports to speak for us; Im afraid thats the danger when we dont officially approve our own demands
Occupy Wall Street - Official Demands
Written by Anonymous The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people.
Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard

LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS" 1. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the GlassSteagall Act of 1933 by the GrammLeachBliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their
depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass Steagall_Act#Repeal .
Vote Here #1
2. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list.
Vote Here #2
3. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.
Vote Here #3
4. CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.
Vote Here #4
5. CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm.
Vote Here #5
6. CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS.
Vote Here #6
7. CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control.
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8. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight.
Vote Here #8
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Important information about the new #OWS hashtag on twitter Friday, October 07, 2011 10:14:33 AM
Hey Shoq, I've instructed the @OccupyWallStNYC tweet boat crew to raise the #OWS flag! In the meantime, while it catches on, our sailors will also keep the #occupywallstreet flag waiving proud! -Justin On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:04 AM, Shoq Value <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Hello group. Thank you for the invite. I am @Shoq on @Twitter. Last week, I was able to secure the generous support of @alternet for the occupywallst.org site. I'm currently at work on several projects for the movement, but most recently I've been trying to encourage a change of twitter tags from the long and very character-hungry #occupywallstr, to the far slimmer and more efficient #OWS tag. Tweet space is a precious thing, and the old #occupyWallstreet tag, especially when combined with other tags, was just not twitter-savvy for a revolution that should appear so in every way :) It's only been promoted for one day since @occupyWallst first announced the change, as show here:
@occupywallst: Let's stop the hash tag soup and use #ows for OccupyWallStreet
With the help of many friends and journos, even on such short notice, it's already in pretty wide rotation after only a day. Ed Schultz has already starting using the #OWS tag on his story banner on @MSNBC. It should get much more traction once the local occupies create their own tags to work with it. It's meant to be used like Twitter's #p2 tag (which I co-founded a few years ago), and has become more or less the default progressive tag. My experience with it, as well with my #FF, #MT and other tags, all convince me that #OWS will quickly be seen as the main communication and "branding tag" for the Occupy Wall Street effort in all its glorious forms, worldwide. USING THE #OWS TAG Local Occupies can choose to use the much shorter #OWS tag as their
top umbella tag-which I call a clear channel tag and optionally, combine it with their local occupy tag of choice. The umbrella tag goes to everyone, even though some may focus on only a local subset of the stream, such as only the local #occupy tag, and/or other kinds of topical #identifiers: Examples: #ows #ows_Portland #ows #owsPortland #ows #ows_events It also works well with their existing occupy names: #ows #occupyDC Naturally, you can help by using the new tag exclusively. It's already so widely followed, that any major media and most of your regular retweeters will see and echo your tweets with it immediately. The admin of OccupyWallSt.org has suggested that she would post the new tag on the site. If she in fact does that, it should become ubiquitous in a matter of days. As this movement grows, I think it will appreciate this tweet-space economy move :) I think about how to help this movement every day. I never really envisioned Americans finally taking the streets. Now that the have, I hope we can all make the effort productive and successful. Please follow me on Twitter so I can get to know each of you, and reach you as needed. I love cats, and am pretty good at herding them on short notice, so it helps when I know who is whom. I am also building a pretty extensive twitter list of key people and feeds which I will release when it's a bit more mature. So feel free to Tweet or DM me and get yourselves on it. I will also post this memo at my blog, found at shoqvalue.com. Forward! @Shoq
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Important information about the new #OWS hashtag on twitter Friday, October 07, 2011 10:42:14 AM
Excellent! Be sure to also grab the at-risk "clone names" names that you know the griefers and pirates will try to steal. @OccupyWallSt already learned this with the @occupywaiist trick (upper case "i" looks like he letter el" Justine, I would urge that you change to @ows_wallst, because I registered all the clone names for you already and they can't do it again :) People will always be fooled by the griefer name, now that they have it :(
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Important information about the new #OWS hashtag on twitter Friday, October 07, 2011 10:49:57 AM
Oh, @Occupywaii has already been suspended. (We all reported it last night.) Do NOT assume twitter will always kill such accounts. They have a very spotty record. You have to nail them before they accrue followers. Once they have, they will only kill them if they clearly try to impersonate (rather than parody or attack), and you can prove it, which can be hard. I'd still consider the name change for OccupyWallSt account, as it will lock in awareness of the #ows tag fast. Posting it prominently on the ows.org site, as Justine and I once discussed, will also have dramatic impact. I'm around all day, if anyone needs me, working on a new kind of project that should help people understand all the projects :)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Important information about the new #OWS hashtag on twitter Friday, October 07, 2011 4:02:03 AM
Thank you by the way shoq for being the one recommended this to us :) On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Shoq Value <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Hello group. Thank you for the invite. I am @Shoq on @Twitter. Last week, I was able to secure the generous support of @alternet for the occupywallst.org site. I'm currently at work on several projects for the movement, but most recently I've been trying to encourage a change of twitter tags from the long and very character-hungry #occupywallstr, to the far slimmer and more efficient #OWS tag. Tweet space is a precious thing, and the old #occupyWallstreet tag, especially when combined with other tags, was just not twitter-savvy for a revolution that should appear so in every way :) It's only been promoted for one day since @occupyWallst first announced the change, as show here:
@occupywallst: Let's stop the hash tag soup and use #ows for OccupyWallStreet
With the help of many friends and journos, even on such short notice, it's already in pretty wide rotation after only a day. Ed Schultz has already starting using the #OWS tag on his story banner on @MSNBC. It should get much more traction once the local occupies create their own tags to work with it. It's meant to be used like Twitter's #p2 tag (which I co-founded a few years ago), and has become more or less the default progressive tag. My experience with it, as well with my #FF, #MT and other tags, all convince me that #OWS will quickly be seen as the main communication and "branding tag" for the Occupy Wall Street effort in all its glorious forms, worldwide. USING THE #OWS TAG Local Occupies can choose to use the much shorter #OWS tag as their top umbella tag-which I call a clear channel tag and optionally, combine it with their local occupy tag of choice. The umbrella tag goes to everyone, even though some may focus on only a local subset of the stream, such as only the local #occupy tag, and/or other kinds of topical #identifiers: Examples: #ows #ows_Portland #ows #owsPortland #ows #ows_events It also works well with their existing occupy names: #ows #occupyDC
Naturally, you can help by using the new tag exclusively. It's already so widely followed, that any major media and most of your regular retweeters will see and echo your tweets with it immediately. The admin of OccupyWallSt.org has suggested that she would post the new tag on the site. If she in fact does that, it should become ubiquitous in a matter of days. As this movement grows, I think it will appreciate this tweet-space economy move :) I think about how to help this movement every day. I never really envisioned Americans finally taking the streets. Now that the have, I hope we can all make the effort productive and successful. Please follow me on Twitter so I can get to know each of you, and reach you as needed. I love cats, and am pretty good at herding them on short notice, so it helps when I know who is whom. I am also building a pretty extensive twitter list of key people and feeds which I will release when it's a bit more mature. So feel free to Tweet or DM me and get yourselves on it. I will also post this memo at my blog, found at shoqvalue.com. Forward! @Shoq
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Lawyer information Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:14:23 PM
He should contact National Layers Guild http://nlgnyc.org/ (212) 679-6018

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of J.A. Myerson Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:50 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Lawyer information
Here's a lawyer offering help in police brutality cases: Gregory Antollino, Esq. greg@antollino.com "I specialize in police brutality and wrongful arrest cases and civil rights issues generally." 212.334.7397 "Pass my name along to any victims. You can sue for $ damages from the city." -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] List admin Friday, October 07, 2011 2:45:30 PM
Hi Josh, I'm one of the admins. Marisa On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > Can someone direct me to the person or persons that are administrating this listserve. There are a number of people involved in the occupation who would also like to be a part of the electronic convo :-) > > Solidarity > > J. > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpraag@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Marina looking for Begonia Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:52:02 PM
Police here at 23 wall were giving us trouble for a minute about "Temporary public assembly" permit, but I think it's calming down. There's still a lot of cops though, so it'd be nice if legal could be on call. Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > So sorry to do this to the list. Begonia ... I can't find your number, can you text me yours? Email me? Gracias! Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of lisajensky@gmail.com ows_sept17 Re: [september17discuss] Marina looking for Begonia Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:56:02 PM
Marina, Justin, I am here and have been in touch with Chris. Lisa Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:51:54 To: september17@googlegroups.com<september17@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Marina looking for Begonia Police here at 23 wall were giving us trouble for a minute about "Temporary public assembly" permit, but I think it's calming down. There's still a lot of cops though, so it'd be nice if legal could be on call. Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > So sorry to do this to the list. Begonia ... I can't find your number, can you text me yours? Email me? Gracias! Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Green september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NEED FLYER IN SPANISH Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:54:52 PM
Hey! I'm on translation work group. I'll get this to the right person! sent from my kikiPCS* phone On Oct 8, 2011 1:33 PM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Amigos, friends, We need a flyer in Spanish with general info about OWS asap for our "Ocupa Wall Street en espaol" info table. I know there were some already done, but I don't know who has them. Please send me files, we can print some, also if you can print more and bring them to the table it would be wonderful. Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NEED FLYER IN SPANISH Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:03:55 PM
does translation working group have a general e-mail address? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Ryan Green <ryangreenish@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey! I'm on translation work group. I'll get this to the right person! > > sent from my kikiPCS* phone > > On Oct 8, 2011 1:33 PM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> > wrote: >> >> Amigos, friends, >> We need a flyer in Spanish with general info about OWS asap for our "Ocupa >> Wall Street en espaol" info table. I know there were some already done, but >> I don't know who has them. Please send me files, we can print some, also if >> you can print more and bring them to the table it would be wonderful. >> Thanks!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need restaurant list urgently. Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:42:31 AM
One quick solution: go to seamless.com and enter our address 1 liberty plaza new york, ny 10008 that'll give you a whole bunch, including @liberatospizza -justin On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:37 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: I have an important person who wants to donate lots of food and wants the most up-to-date list of places that deliver. The early one I had only had 4 places. Is there anything? Please get back to me quickly. They're trying to get the ball rolling tonight. In solidarity, JAM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need restaurant list urgently. Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:45:37 AM
Got it. The anonymous donor is sending over a huge breakfast. (Spirit fingers) JAM On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: One quick solution: go to seamless.com and enter our address 1 liberty plaza new york, ny 10008 that'll give you a whole bunch, including @liberatospizza -justin On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:37 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: I have an important person who wants to donate lots of food and wants the most up-to-date list of places that deliver. The early one I had only had 4 places. Is there anything? Please get back to me quickly. They're trying to get the ball rolling tonight. In solidarity, JAM
-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] NYPD: an equal opportunity represser Friday, October 07, 2011 2:12:29 PM
Thats for posting this-On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: > An excerpt from a note I sent to the OWS POC email: > You may have seen in the Times today a report on the City Council > hearings yesterday challenging the NYPD on their wholesale surveillance of > the entire Muslim community. Another account notes that at the hearing, > Council Civil Rights Committee chair Deborah Rose linked that program with > the NYPD stop-and-frisk daily harassment of youth of color: > http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/oct/07/city-council-pushes-back-nypd-intelligenceprograms/ > Another example of how NYPD repression of OWS/TWU/Arab-Muslim-South Asian > community/Black and Latin@ communities is all of a piece!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Occupy Wall Street Analytics Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:11:16 AM
Great work, ty :) On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Traffic to occupywallst.org continues to surge, our new high is just over/under 400,000 visits in the last few days. 350,346 people visited occupywallst.org that day, 1,890 of them answered a survey that we put up on the site within the span of a few short hours. I can't post charts into the body of this message for some reason, but as we would expect the overwhelming majority of the respondents are white educated, earning little but employed full-time, left-leaning straight guys who live in cities and describe themselves as independents rather than democratic or republican...only 37 republicans filled out this survey unfortunately. These respondents overwhelmingly use the internet more than the T.V. 74% are regularly using Youtube 67% are on regularly using Facebook 74% are not regularly using Reddit 61% are not regularly using Twitter 85% are not watching Fox. 81% strongly support the Occupy Wall Street Protests. 74% believe that the Occupy Wall Street Protests will create positive and lasting social change. 73% strongly believe that the protests will grow. Yet, a combined total of only 24% of these respondents have participated in these protests, which suggests that in spite of the homogeneity of the movement as it currently stands, there is much opportunity to further increase our numbers on the ground from within our current base of support. I've heard reports from Flux of campers from who watched the livestream for so long that they wound up coming to Liberty. Definitely the next best thing to being hear. I also noticed that the livestream.com/globalrevolution website showed up 4th on the 2nd page of a search for "occupy wall street" Fortunately optimization is our Comrade Zach Notes specialty and he should be able and willing to help us if someone from the media team can hook him up with access to the site. I've also added a question to the survey asking if they regularly follow the protests on the livestream so we can track this with subsequent surveys. More cameras and streams couldn't hurt at all either. The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I doubt I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let
everyone know if I find anything. Several respondents self-responded with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think about diversifying this movement. In the mean time we absolutely should make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen. Response patterns for female respondents were so nearly identical to the male respondents that I won't bother to indicate them - however I did notice that 52% of the female respondents listen to the radio as opposed to 40% of male respondents, which could be a good way to start trying to reach more women. The numbers on the ground from this week look excellent as well. It does look like there's a real hardcore group of roughly 200-300 holding it down. There was 115% increase in the average number of people counted in the camp each morning between Monday and Friday. Let's see if the same trend happens next week or if it was just due to nicer weather at the end of the week. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday 10/3/2011 10/4/2011 10/5/2011 10/6/2011 10/7/2011 - 163 - 240 - 261 - 307 - 351
I'm done for the night comrades, -Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com; drew@nycga.net Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:51:07 PM
Drew - Where are you? :) Our people need to be on the site. Is there someone else they can reach out to if you are swamped? See you tomorrow. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. babak On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> wrote: We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. We thought community groups were being prioritized. Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? Please let us know. Thanks
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com; Babak K; justine@occupywallst.org movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com; drew@nycga.net Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:30:03 PM
Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also just wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. all the best, Luis On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: Hello everyone, Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. babak On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> wrote: We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. We thought community groups were being prioritized. Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? Please let us know. Thanks
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Layan Fuleihan september17@googlegroups.com movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com; drew@nycga.net Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:47:15 PM
Hi everyone, I'll confirm this, but I was in contact with 350.org and I'm pretty sure Bill Mckibben is not speaking on sunday at 6, he already spoke today at the washington square park ga, and just left new york city by plane. There definitely should not be any conflict with the Movement for Justice in El Barrio! Layan 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> Hello everyone, Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. babak On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> wrote: We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. We thought community groups were being prioritized. Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? Please let us know. Thanks
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:23:58 PM
I'm giving a duration of 90 minutes at the nycga calendar, just for visibility purposes (the slot looks bigger if the event is longer). It doesn't mean they overlap necessarily. 2011/10/8 Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wait a minute...are these open fourms meant to overlap with each other? seems there are several that occur simultaneously??? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I just posted all the sunday events. Iwill continue with the ones scheduled > for next week. I don't know what happened. Babak, please transmit to the > people from Justicia en el Barrio my deepest apologies. > > By the way, the FB events I created days ago didn't have, as far as I know, > much publicizing. I'm posting them again here, please share them through > your networks. > > Saturday: > NYS Prisoner Solidarity Network > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=185679934840234 > Brian Holmes > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=287301441298633 > > Sunday: > Bill McKibben > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=284058644956437 > National Domestic Workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293858507307482 > NY Taxi workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=123492164421810 > Oaxaca: > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281791845174009 > Justicia en el Barrio > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174814385934896 > > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. >> babak >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: >>> justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. >>> >>> nico
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also > just > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. > all the best, > Luis > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been > posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in > series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice > to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we > need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot > of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, > <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
The FB events were made days ago. If there has been any change from the info I had at that point, I've missed it. By the way, and as many of you know, I just moved into a new house and have problems with internet connection. It would be great if someone in better conditions than me take care of updating schedule. I'm putting into nycga calendar all the events planned for next week AS THEY LOOK RIGHT NOW AT THE GOOGLE DOC. 2011/10/8 Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> vicente, appreciate your effort, but please be accurate with times/venues before posting events. on your facebook event for mckibben, it's actually today at wash sq park at 5 and tomorrow at liberty park at 6 if i'm not mistaken On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I just posted all the sunday events. Iwill continue with the ones scheduled > for next week. I don't know what happened. Babak, please transmit to the > people from Justicia en el Barrio my deepest apologies. > > By the way, the FB events I created days ago didn't have, as far as I know, > much publicizing. I'm posting them again here, please share them through > your networks. > > Saturday: > NYS Prisoner Solidarity Network > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=185679934840234 > Brian Holmes > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=287301441298633 > > Sunday: > Bill McKibben > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=284058644956437 > National Domestic Workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293858507307482 > NY Taxi workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=123492164421810 > Oaxaca: > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281791845174009 > Justicia en el Barrio > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174814385934896 > > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. >> babak
>> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: >>> justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. >>> >>> nico >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking >>> > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little >>> > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also >>> > just >>> > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. >>> > all the best, >>> > Luis >>> > >>> > >>> > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello everyone, >>> > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other >>> > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been >>> > posted >>> > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in >>> > series. >>> > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice >>> > to >>> > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we >>> > need to >>> > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot >>> > of >>> > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. >>> > babak >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, >>> > <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >>> >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >>> >> >>> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >>> >> >>> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >>> >> >>> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >>> >> >>> >> Please let us know. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:21:47 PM
wait a minute...are these open fourms meant to overlap with each other? seems there are several that occur simultaneously??? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I just posted all the sunday events. Iwill continue with the ones scheduled > for next week. I don't know what happened. Babak, please transmit to the > people from Justicia en el Barrio my deepest apologies. > > By the way, the FB events I created days ago didn't have, as far as I know, > much publicizing. I'm posting them again here, please share them through > your networks. > > Saturday: > NYS Prisoner Solidarity Network > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=185679934840234 > Brian Holmes > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=287301441298633 > > Sunday: > Bill McKibben > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=284058644956437 > National Domestic Workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293858507307482 > NY Taxi workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=123492164421810 > Oaxaca: > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281791845174009 > Justicia en el Barrio > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174814385934896 > > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. >> babak >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: >>> justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. >>> >>> nico >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking >>> > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little >>> > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also >>> > just >>> > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. >>> > all the best, >>> > Luis
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
> > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been > posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in > series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice > to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we > need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot > of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, > <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:17:25 PM
vicente, appreciate your effort, but please be accurate with times/venues before posting events. on your facebook event for mckibben, it's actually today at wash sq park at 5 and tomorrow at liberty park at 6 if i'm not mistaken On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: > I just posted all the sunday events. Iwill continue with the ones scheduled > for next week. I don't know what happened. Babak, please transmit to the > people from Justicia en el Barrio my deepest apologies. > > By the way, the FB events I created days ago didn't have, as far as I know, > much publicizing. I'm posting them again here, please share them through > your networks. > > Saturday: > NYS Prisoner Solidarity Network > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=185679934840234 > Brian Holmes > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=287301441298633 > > Sunday: > Bill McKibben > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=284058644956437 > National Domestic Workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293858507307482 > NY Taxi workers Alliance > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=123492164421810 > Oaxaca: > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281791845174009 > Justicia en el Barrio > http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174814385934896 > > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. >> babak >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: >>> justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. >>> >>> nico >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking >>> > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little >>> > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also >>> > just >>> > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it.
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
> all the best, > Luis > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been > posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in > series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice > to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we > need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot > of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, > <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
I just posted all the sunday events. Iwill continue with the ones scheduled for next week. I don't know what happened. Babak, please transmit to the people from Justicia en el Barrio my deepest apologies. By the way, the FB events I created days ago didn't have, as far as I know, much publicizing. I'm posting them again here, please share them through your networks. Saturday: NYS Prisoner Solidarity Network http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=185679934840234 Brian Holmes http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=287301441298633 Sunday: Bill McKibben http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=284058644956437 National Domestic Workers Alliance http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=293858507307482 NY Taxi workers Alliance http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=123492164421810 Oaxaca: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281791845174009 Justicia en el Barrio http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174814385934896 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. babak On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. nico On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also just > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. > all the best, > Luis >
> > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Babak K september17@googlegroups.com; movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:56:09 PM
Great, thanks for clearing it up Nico. babak On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:32 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. nico On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also just > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. > all the best, > Luis > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know.
>> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:32:30 PM
i did as well...for the future, get in touch with Justine: justine@occupywallst.org. she's the site administrator. nico On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Apologizes to our friends from Justice in El Barrio, we are all looking > forward to this event, if it hasn't been posted yet is due to a little > confusion, in the midst of all this great activity... :) I have also just > wrote to the people in Occupywallst.org so that they post it. > all the best, > Luis > > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Babak K wrote: > > Hello everyone, > Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other > community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted > on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. > Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to > groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to > prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of > time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. > babak > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >> >> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >> >> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >> >> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >> >> Please let us know. >> >> Thanks >> >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please help posting OPEN FORUMS on our website - Movement for Justice in El Barrio teach-in Sunday 6pm Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:51:28 PM
thanks for the confirmation, layan! On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Layan Fuleihan <lsfuleihan@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I'll confirm this, but I was in contact with 350.org and I'm pretty sure > Bill Mckibben is not speaking on sunday at 6, he already spoke today at the > washington square park ga, and just left new york city by plane. There > definitely should not be any conflict with the Movement for Justice in El > Barrio! > Layan > 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com> >> >> Hello everyone, >> Our friends from Movement for Justice in El Barrio and several other >> community groups are rightfully upset that they have still not been posted >> on our nycga website and calendar as part of the OPEN FORUM teach-in series. >> Can anyone please help us!? We've put a lot of effort to give a voice to >> groups that have been censored by this system. To become the 99%, we need to >> prioritize their presence and voice in our space. MJEB has spent a lot of >> time preparing and publicizing for this teach-in tomorrow. >> babak >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM, <movementforjusticeinelbarrio@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> We just noticed that something was finally posted on Occupy Wall St. >>> Calendar for the Open Forum tomorrow at 6 pm. >>> >>> Someone named Bill will speak about climate change. >>> >>> We thought community groups were being prioritized. >>> >>> Should we assume that we are not scheduled to participate and not go? >>> >>> Please let us know. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Saturday, October 08, 2011 10:36:33 AM
Glen Ford's cell: 908-444-5769 - pls call him if you can, otherwise i'll ask him to go to Wash Sq, i'm sure he would love to speak to GA On 10/8/2011 9:47 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: But Occupy Wall Street will be at Washington Square at that time; bring him there & let him speak to GA.
Hi David This is Josh from media. I can bring this to livestream team's attention. How do we find him? J. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-publicenemy-number-one
I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know . We are all outreach and we all need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of people as possible . On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large ? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro -actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly
and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism . Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back . > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black --its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary --the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative . White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism --just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism ... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement . We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity --impossible to >> ignore --- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white . If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white . Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non -white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old . >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 4:22:23 PM
So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non-white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old. >> > > >
So Micah, i am sorry, i don't want to knock or cut you short on your proposal, and your great idea, i am not against it, but we can do better, much better, keep it growing... On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:14 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > We need a permanent multicultural media strategy, long term, day in > and day out reflecting our city's most beautiful asset, our global > diversity. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:11 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >> Yes we have 'black history month" etc one token motherfucking month >> out of the whole year, our liberals have honored us with, but those of >> us who are black, are black every day of the year, and our main goal >> is to stay black, and die black. >> NO liberal one day bogus sensitivity days. ok. >> WE need to be multicultural every day. >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >>> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >>> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >>> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >>> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >>> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >>> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >>> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >>> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >>> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >>> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >>> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >>> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >>> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at #OWS >>>> is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you >>>> tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images >>>> and words of non-white members of #OWS. >>>> >>>> Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is >>>> over 40 years old. >>>> >>> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 4:17:33 PM
I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is > over 40 years old. >
We need a permanent multicultural media strategy, long term, day in and day out reflecting our city's most beautiful asset, our global diversity. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:11 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes we have 'black history month" etc one token motherfucking month > out of the whole year, our liberals have honored us with, but those of > us who are black, are black every day of the year, and our main goal > is to stay black, and die black. > NO liberal one day bogus sensitivity days. ok. > WE need to be multicultural every day. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at #OWS >>> is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you >>> tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images >>> and words of non-white members of #OWS. >>> >>> Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is >>> over 40 years old. >>> >> >
Yes we have 'black history month" etc one token motherfucking month out of the whole year, our liberals have honored us with, but those of us who are black, are black every day of the year, and our main goal is to stay black, and die black. NO liberal one day bogus sensitivity days. ok. WE need to be multicultural every day. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't > need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, > but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just > automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness > as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness > themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white > people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and > expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and > immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate > blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on > the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put > multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who > speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to > ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at #OWS >> is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you >> tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images >> and words of non-white members of #OWS. >> >> Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is >> over 40 years old. >> >
Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is > over 40 years old. >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:45:40 AM
Hi David This is Josh from media. I can bring this to livestream team's attention. How do we find him? J. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-publicenemy-number-one

I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know. We are all outreach and we all need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of people as possible.
On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men)
> encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non-white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old. >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 11:04:46 PM
omg yes PLEASE let's do it, Glen is essential!
---------- Original Message ---------From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:37:31 -0400 just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemy-numberone

On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at > #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then > you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with > images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where > everyone is > over 40 years old. >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 10:50:18 PM
To anyone who says the movement is too white, you may want to point out that the senior editor of Adbusters (which is me) is not white. Micah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Charles Lenchner <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote: Van Jones was there this evening. If anyone wants to 'have more people of color present and represented' then a better model to look at are the requirements of certain companies when they search for jobs. They work with guidelines for how to reach candidates of color, a statement that they welcome candidates of color, and they actually plan searches in such a way as to be sure that they get the right pool of applicants. That is a very different approach than 'getting who you can get' or 'working with folks who show up.' OWS, to the extent possible with such loose organizational dynamics, can explicitly extend invitations to organizations with membership largely made up of people of color, could establish roles for people whose job is to welcome/explain/introduce reps from these groups if/when they visit, keep a list of 'representative voices' to suggest to visiting media that includes demographic information, and maintain a list of media representations that we feel do a good job representing our diversity. This is not about saying things to feel good; it's about action plans that produce particular results. It's not tokenism, it's integrating a commitment through actions. This kind of effort will not only produce desirable outcomes for the representation of PoC (and people of faith, age diversity, geographic diversity, orientation, gender, etc.) but it will ALSO help inoculate the OWS efforts from senseless and destructive attacks from extreme quarters. Just a thought. Charles
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemynumber-one

I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know. We are all outreach and we all
need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of people as possible.
On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non-white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old. >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 10:04:35 PM
Van Jones was there this evening. If anyone wants to 'have more people of color present and represented' then a better model to look at are the requirements of certain companies when they search for jobs. They work with guidelines for how to reach candidates of color, a statement that they welcome candidates of color, and they actually plan searches in such a way as to be sure that they get the right pool of applicants. That is a very different approach than 'getting who you can get' or 'working with folks who show up.' OWS, to the extent possible with such loose organizational dynamics, can explicitly extend invitations to organizations with membership largely made up of people of color, could establish roles for people whose job is to welcome/explain/introduce reps from these groups if/when they visit, keep a list of 'representative voices' to suggest to visiting media that includes demographic information, and maintain a list of media representations that we feel do a good job representing our diversity. This is not about saying things to feel good; it's about action plans that produce particular results. It's not tokenism, it's integrating a commitment through actions. This kind of effort will not only produce desirable outcomes for the representation of PoC (and people of faith, age diversity, geographic diversity, orientation, gender, etc.) but it will ALSO help inoculate the OWS efforts from senseless and destructive attacks from extreme quarters. Just a thought. Charles On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemynumber-one

On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to
increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non-white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old. >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 8:37:43 PM
just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemy-numberone

On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at > #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then > you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with > images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where > everyone is > over 40 years old. >
gimmicks are good. im all for gimmicks, but can we have a permanent vision of multiculturalism emerge from all this out of the GA
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:39 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the idea is a decent one, but certainly can't be the entirety of our efforts. (It's a gimmick, but gimmicks are not necessarily bad.) > > --glj > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----> From: shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > Sender: september17@googlegroups.com > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:22:19 > To: <september17@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day > > So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is > not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am > against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to > increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be > careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We > must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly > and have it address once and for all a statement about > multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color > voices and send that out to all media outlets. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead >> ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether >> speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your >> voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. >> This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) >> encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. >> Matt >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >>> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >>> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >>> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >>> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >>> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >>> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >>> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >>> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >>> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >>> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at > #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then > you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with > images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where > everyone is > over 40 years old. >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 4:47:18 PM
great-- I am actually fielding a lot of news requests, Shaista, please send me a handful names that I can forward on to press interview requests.... thanks! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:39 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the idea is a decent one, but certainly can't be the entirety of our efforts. (It's a gimmick, but gimmicks are not necessarily bad.) > > --glj > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----> From: shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > Sender: september17@googlegroups.com > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:22:19 > To: <september17@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day > > So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is > not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am > against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to > increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be > careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We > must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly > and have it address once and for all a statement about > multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color > voices and send that out to all media outlets. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead >> ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether >> speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your >> voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. >> This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) >> encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. >> Matt >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >>> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >>> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >>> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >>> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >>> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >>> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >>> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >>> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >>> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at > #OWS > is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then > you > tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with > images > and words of non-white members of #OWS. > > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where > everyone is > over 40 years old. >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Friday, October 07, 2011 4:39:29 PM
I think the idea is a decent one, but certainly can't be the entirety of our efforts. (It's a gimmick, but gimmicks are not necessarily bad.) --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----From: shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:22:19 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) > encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
#OWS is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images and words of non-white members of #OWS. Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is over 40 years old.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:20:16 PM
hey can someone from media kindly contact me to schedule mos def and talib kweli -- there is a growing occupythehood movement in solidarity with us--someone from global revolution busy on the live streaming...perhaps put up some more hip hop folks supporting this in our own website...more people of color visibility thanks On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > Glen Ford's cell: 908-444-5769 - pls call him if you can, otherwise i'll ask > him to go to Wash Sq, i'm sure he would love to speak to GA > > On 10/8/2011 9:47 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > But Occupy Wall Street will be at Washington Square at that time; bring him > there & let him speak to GA. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Joshua van Praag > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:45 AM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day > > > > Hi David > > > > This is Josh from media. I can bring this to livestream team's attention. > How do we find him? > > > > J. > > Joshua van Praag > > jvanpraag@me.com > > > > +1.347.445.8315 > > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: > > just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get > him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews:
> > see: > http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemy-number-one > > > > On 10/7/2011 7:09 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: > > I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know. We are all > outreach and we all need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of > people as possible. > > > > > > On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > > So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large? This is > not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am > against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to > increase multiculturalism grassroots pro-actively on the ground and be > careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We > must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly > and have it address once and for all a statement about > multiculturalism. Our media team has to put forth more people of color > voices and send that out to all media outlets. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and >> instead >> ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether >> speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your >> voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back. >> This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men) >> encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. >> Matt >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >>> need to tell the media to talk to someone black--its nice if they do, >>> but that is not necessary--the official mainstream media just >>> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >>> as the dominant narrative. White people can talk blackness >>> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >>> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >>> expressing their multiculturalism--just like black people and >>> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >>> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism... as they are doing on >>> the ground day to day in this movement. We need to put >>> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >>> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity--impossible to >>> ignore--- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
#OWS is not white. If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then you tell them to talk to someone who is not white. Flood the world with images and words of non-white members of #OWS. Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where everyone is over 40 years old.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Proposal: Non-White Media Day Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:47:55 AM
But Occupy Wall Street will be at Washington Square at that time; bring him there & let him speak to GA.
Hi David This is Josh from media. I can bring this to livestream team's attention. How do we find him? J. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: just talked w/ Glen Ford - he will be at park at 3 pm tomorrow, can we get him on the livestream? he is down to do some interviews: see: http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemynumber-one
I am working in staten Island to reach the people I know . We are all outreach and we all need to reach out to as many people and as many kinds of people as possible . On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: So how do we spread this strategy to the movement at large ? This is not something you can impose, you can't impose silence on anyone, i am against that and i doubt it will be productive. The goal is to increase multiculturalism grassroots pro -actively on the ground and be careful about all issues of representation in the larger media. We must bring some proposals for multiculturalism to the General Assembly and have it address once and for all a statement about multiculturalism . Our media team has to put forth more people of color voices and send that out to all media outlets. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think setting aside a single day will really be helpful and instead > ends up tokenizing, but.. there's a good rule of thumb to follow, whether > speaking to the media or participating in the General Assembly: if your > voice has been disproportionately represented, then step back . > This can happen in conjunction with (particularly whites and/or men)
> encouraging journalists to speaking to a wider diversity of voices. > Matt > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Micah, we are not trying to silence our white comrades, they don't >> need to tell the media to talk to someone black --its nice if they do, >> but that is not necessary --the official mainstream media just >> automatically goes to white people first, because they take whiteness >> as the dominant narrative . White people can talk blackness >> themselves--this is tactics of subversion. This is the point--white >> people are capable of speaking in solidarity with people of color and >> expressing their multiculturalism --just like black people and >> immigrants assimilate here in the US, white people can also assimilate >> blackness, global justice, multiculturalism ... as they are doing on >> the ground day to day in this movement . We need to put >> multiculturalism on the top of our media strategy no matter who >> speaks. And also, allow the true factual diversity --impossible to >> ignore --- to come to the fore...so i support your efforts! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Proposal: We pick one day in which everyone who speaks to the media at >> > #OWS >> > is not white . If the media try to talk to you, and you're white - then >> > you >> > tell them to talk to someone who is not white . Flood the world with >> > images >> > and words of non -white members of #OWS. >> > >> > Then we have one day where everyone is a woman, or one day where >> > everyone is >> > over 40 years old . >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Green september17@googlegroups.com owsinfodeck@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] Questions and proposal abt info systems Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:49:26 PM
Hey Beka, My name is Ryan. I work at the info booth with some other folks. This is a huge problem that we've been trying to deal with. We've got to get everyone down at Liberty Plaza in the habit of telling the info booths when anything and everything is happening/ is changing / is moving. My understanding about the 9am Working Groups general meeting was that it doesn't happen on the weekends... but if you're saying that it did happen and moved somewhere outside of the square, then I guess it is still happening. I attempted to go last Saturday and couldn't find where it was being held, so I assumed it wasn't happening. Both info booths on either ends of the park have white boards.... we can try to be better about posting a daily schedule. I was under the impression that minutes get physically dropped into a box located near the central info booth, and someone from internet types them up that evening... I'll check on this and get back to you. To the best of my knowledge there is not a Working Group listserv but that would be a good idea. I'm going to paste into this email the most current info we have on each working group. Hope this helps. And I'll get back to you on the those questions I wasn't sure about. - Ryan
occupy wall street
working groups general information

Arts & Culture Contact: arts_culture@nycga.net Phone: 1-864-832-7875 Meetings: Arts & Culture Working Group 6pm @ Northwest Corner of Park Art & Culture 2 Contact: petroniuse@yahoo.com Education & Empowerment Inviting Community Activists and Academics for daily open forums @ 6pm. Everyone is encouraged to invite speakers! Contact: empowermentandeducation@gmail.com Phone: 1-410-294-7477 Meetings: Empowerment & Education Planning Meeting - Tuesdays @ 8:30pm Daily Open Forums @ 6pm Occupy TV NY Group of Videographers and Video Editors (pro). Skills req: Videographer / Own Video Camera Contact: Dwayne12345@gmail.com Nick @ Night (Tobacco Station)
We keep the people calm by rolling them tobacco and making everyone smile. Contact: Nick_long34@yahoo.com Location: South Side of Zuccotti Park, near Medical and Comfort. Safer Space Committee Working for respect of women, LGBTQ, & POC, Rape victim advocates, queers encouraged to come! Contact: saferspacesows@gmail.com Meeting: Safer Space Group Meeting - 10pm or after GA, near Halal Cart on Cedar Political and Electoral Reform Working Group Devoted to brainstorming recommendations for political and electoral reform. Contact: charles.a.petersea@gmail.com Meeting: Political & Electoral Reform Daily Meeting - 6pm in front of the People's Library Graphic Design Graphic design, fliers, map, signage, posters etc. New members will be accepted starting October 16th. Please send an email if you would like to learn more or join earlier. Contact: design@nycga.net Meeting: Sunday Afternoons (Contact for more details) Occupy Wall Street People's Library We organize the library! New librarians, ideas, books & resources welcome! Website: peopleslibrary.wordpress.com Contact: owspeopleslibrary@gmail.com Location: Visit us in the North East corner of Liberty Plaza The Occupy Wall Street Archives Documenting the historic activities and events of Occupy Wall Street & Liberty Plaza through archiving video, audio, fliers and signs. Contact: archives@nycga.net Meeting: Archive coordination Meeting - Wednesdays at 8pm @ The People's Library Food We Feed the Occupiers! Contact: occupiedkitchen@gmail.com Meeting: Kitchen Lunch - 11am @ Kitchen Kitchen Dinner / Night Shift - 4pm @ Kitchen Facilitation Facilitation of the democratic process in the General Assembly & Direct Democracy Training Contact: mappchris@yahoo.com, jason.ahmadi@gmail.com , hmmpoeddp@gmail.com Phone: Daniel Depaola: 504-846-7058 Meetings: Facilitation Meeting - 4pm @ Meet at South side of Plaza, then offsite *** Direct Democracy Training - 5:30pm Daily
Education Skill workshops & videos. Topics include: Sewing, Polyamory, Horticulture, AntiOpression, Breaking Gender Binary Consensus. Starts Friday, Meetings TBA Contact: OWSEducation@gmail.com Public Relations
Press relations, training people to speak to media Contact: press@occupywallst.org, kira.annika@gmail.com Meeting: PR Working Group: 3:30pm @ Press Table under Welcome Table East Sanitation Working Group We clean up the park and keep spaces free from clutter. Look for people with green arm bands Contact: Dilinga - Dilingal@gmail.com Security Security and De-escalation. Contact: burke.art@gmail.com Center
Meeting: Security Meeting - 12pm (almost Daily) @ Media
Accountability & Transparency We ensure transparency within & among working groups, GA, and Occupation. Contact: hmmpoeddp@gmail.com Phone: Daniel Depaola: 504-846-7058 Meeting: A&T Meeting - 6pm Daily @ Sitting Man Statue, then head off site Direct Action Primarily plans marches / march guidelines and create other direct actions. Contact: owsdawg@gmail.com Meeting: DA Daily Meeting - 2pm M-Fri @ Triangular cement park at Trinity & Edgar Outreach Reaching out to local people, communities, groups & organizations to help grow the OWS movement. We raise awareness and support. Outreach is looking for neighborhood coordinators in communities across Manhattan & Boroughs Contact: owsoutreach@gmail.com Meeting: Outreach Working Group - 5pm Daily @ Outreach Table Occupy Wall Street Journal Contact: owsmedia@gmail.com
Information / Front Desk We are the Info hub, with four tables providing guidance and orientation in Liberty Plaza. Contact: owsinfodeck@gmail.com Alternative Banking Purpose: to explore and, if possible, establish alternative banking systems, that might replace the current system this will be a very practical, outcome-oriented group. I am particularly interested in hearing from those with skills and experience in banking and finance discussion will be online in the first instance, in person meetings also possible Contact: Carne Ross; carne@carneross.com Community Relations Working with local businesses, residents and workers - we are their neighbors. Contact: Justin - modsticks@yahoo.com Labor Support / Outreach Contact: JDiSalvo@nyc.rr.com Outreach - NYC Universities Outreach to local Universities and Student Gov. Contact: thedesimone@gmail.com
People of Color Working Group unified.ows@gmail.com
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM, beka economopoulos <beka@notanalternative.net> wrote: Hi there, I'm guessing there are probably already systems in place to address these questions but after a week onsite I'm having trouble figuring out what they are. I and a couple of other folks tried to make the working group check-in this morning but it had been moved off-site and no one at the info table or around our mic check were able to tell us where it was moved to. Made me think it'd be great if Working Groups could have someone notify the Info Table when there's a spontaneous decision to move meetings off site. For spontaneous/unscheduled moves, the Red Cube across the street or Charlotte seem to be the best spots: ideally, if we don't know where to find folks, checking in those two places will work. Is it possible for Working Groups and the Info desk to have white boards where they write in the where/when of upcoming meetings? Also, a couple of questions: I've been asking around and folks don't seem to know, and I can't find any info online about the following: Where do we post minutes? I know they go on this site: http://nycga.cc, I think most people don't know about this website, I don't see it linked to from OccupyWallSt.org, and don't see instructions on the nycga.cc site on where to email or post notes. Is there a listserv for working group checkins and coordination, and mtg minutes? Is this the one? Seems like list this is more for discussion rather than working business. Does it makes sense to have separate Sept17-discuss and Sept17-WG lists? Thanks, and apologies if this is the wrong forum. Best, Beka -New: http://blog.art21.org/2011/05/19/5-questions-for-contemporary-practicewith-not-an-alternative/
Not An Alternative http://notanalternative.com Fission Strategy http://fissionstrategy.com Phone: 917-202-5479 Skype: bekamop Twitter: http://twitter.com/bekamop
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: A plea from your neighborhood compadres Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:11:06 PM
Negative press about relations with the neighbors - mess, noise, bathrooms... http://news.yahoo.com/yorks-bloomberg-says-protesters-trying-destroy-jobs005956703.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/nyregion/occupy-wall-street-begins-to-chafeits-neighbors.html?src=mv&ref=nyregion On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'm in favor. This is a big deal for the community that lives around the park. I'd also like to put forth a thing to not have drumming during the GAs, because it's counterproductive to people trying to hear. As the GAs usually end late, I'd be in favor of not having drumming after them, either. Solidarity, Jon On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Waving my fingers in the air really high in agreement! Since sundown is prior to the GA, we can't formally make a decision beforehand, but I think that's fine--I would have no issue with individuals asking people to stop their drumming tonight to respect the wishes of those observing Yom Kippur. We can't control people, of course, but I'd like to think they'd oblige. Maybe once we reach GA, the issue can then be raised as an agenda item? If anyone is around at 4, facilitation meets then, usually at the northwest corner of the park. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: Ocppiers, see attached. Can we PLEASE get temperature check, poll people etc. To get consensus about this asap? BEFORE sundown? Re: drumming, observance of high holy days... See attached On 10/7/11, Steven Abramson <srabramson@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Folks > > Occupy Wall Street is a movement that is taking off, gathering steam, and is > getting worldwide attention. I live in the neighborhood and fully support > what I have been seeing and hearing. However, I have a request. > > Please stop the drumming--it is driving people in the neighborhood crazy, > people who are your allies and friends. We lost Zucotti Park, which we love > in our devastated neighborhood. We are always targeted because of our
> proximity to Wall St, whether for a good cause (ie, OWS) or a bad one (Al > Quaeda). But we gladly give the park to OWS. > > I have spoken to some folks at the site who have been kind, gracious, and > understanding, and the drumming does stop at 10PM. But why now during the > day? To generate excitement and people? You've done that. > > Here's another request. Tonight begins the Jewish observance of Yom Kippur, > it is the most important day in our calendar, it is a day of remembrance, > reflection, meditation, quiet, taking stock of one's life and changing it > for the good of oneself, one's family, one's community, and the world. > > I ask for a 24-hour moritorium on drumming from sundown tonight to sunset > tomorrow night, the hours of the Yom Kippur observance. > > Gratefully yours > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: A plea from your neighborhood compadres Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:59:52 AM
I'm in favor. This is a big deal for the community that lives around the park. I'd also like to put forth a thing to not have drumming during the GAs, because it's counterproductive to people trying to hear. As the GAs usually end late, I'd be in favor of not having drumming after them, either. Solidarity, Jon On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Waving my fingers in the air really high in agreement! Since sundown is prior to the GA, we can't formally make a decision beforehand, but I think that's fine--I would have no issue with individuals asking people to stop their drumming tonight to respect the wishes of those observing Yom Kippur. We can't control people, of course, but I'd like to think they'd oblige. Maybe once we reach GA, the issue can then be raised as an agenda item? If anyone is around at 4, facilitation meets then, usually at the northwest corner of the park. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: Ocppiers, see attached. Can we PLEASE get temperature check, poll people etc. To get consensus about this asap? BEFORE sundown? Re: drumming, observance of high holy days... See attached On 10/7/11, Steven Abramson <srabramson@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Folks > > Occupy Wall Street is a movement that is taking off, gathering steam, and is > getting worldwide attention. I live in the neighborhood and fully support > what I have been seeing and hearing. However, I have a request. > > Please stop the drumming--it is driving people in the neighborhood crazy, > people who are your allies and friends. We lost Zucotti Park, which we love > in our devastated neighborhood. We are always targeted because of our > proximity to Wall St, whether for a good cause (ie, OWS) or a bad one (Al > Quaeda). But we gladly give the park to OWS. > > I have spoken to some folks at the site who have been kind, gracious, and > understanding, and the drumming does stop at 10PM. But why now during the > day? To generate excitement and people? You've done that. > > Here's another request. Tonight begins the Jewish observance of Yom Kippur, > it is the most important day in our calendar, it is a day of remembrance, > reflection, meditation, quiet, taking stock of one's life and changing it
> > > > > > > > >
for the good of oneself, one's family, one's community, and the world. I ask for a 24-hour moritorium on drumming from sundown tonight to sunset tomorrow night, the hours of the Yom Kippur observance. Gratefully yours Steven Abramson 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: A plea from your neighborhood compadres Friday, October 07, 2011 3:40:36 PM
Waving my fingers in the air really high in agreement! Since sundown is prior to the GA, we can't formally make a decision beforehand, but I think that's fine--I would have no issue with individuals asking people to stop their drumming tonight to respect the wishes of those observing Yom Kippur. We can't control people, of course, but I'd like to think they'd oblige. Maybe once we reach GA, the issue can then be raised as an agenda item? If anyone is around at 4, facilitation meets then, usually at the northwest corner of the park. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: Ocppiers, see attached. Can we PLEASE get temperature check, poll people etc. To get consensus about this asap? BEFORE sundown? Re: drumming, observance of high holy days... See attached On 10/7/11, Steven Abramson <srabramson@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Folks > > Occupy Wall Street is a movement that is taking off, gathering steam, and is > getting worldwide attention. I live in the neighborhood and fully support > what I have been seeing and hearing. However, I have a request. > > Please stop the drumming--it is driving people in the neighborhood crazy, > people who are your allies and friends. We lost Zucotti Park, which we love > in our devastated neighborhood. We are always targeted because of our > proximity to Wall St, whether for a good cause (ie, OWS) or a bad one (Al > Quaeda). But we gladly give the park to OWS. > > I have spoken to some folks at the site who have been kind, gracious, and > understanding, and the drumming does stop at 10PM. But why now during the > day? To generate excitement and people? You've done that. > > Here's another request. Tonight begins the Jewish observance of Yom Kippur, > it is the most important day in our calendar, it is a day of remembrance, > reflection, meditation, quiet, taking stock of one's life and changing it > for the good of oneself, one's family, one's community, and the world. > > I ask for a 24-hour moritorium on drumming from sundown tonight to sunset > tomorrow night, the hours of the Yom Kippur observance. > > Gratefully yours > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: A plea from your neighborhood compadres Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:35:29 PM
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On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I'm in favor. This is a big deal for the community that lives around the park. I'd also like to put forth a thing to not have drumming during the GAs, because it's counterproductive to people trying to hear. As the GAs usually end late, I'd be in favor of not having drumming after them, either. Solidarity, Jon On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Waving my fingers in the air really high in agreement! Since sundown is prior to the GA, we can't formally make a decision beforehand, but I think that's fine--I would have no issue with individuals asking people to stop their drumming tonight to respect the wishes of those observing Yom Kippur. We can't control people, of course, but I'd like to think they'd oblige. Maybe once we reach GA, the issue can then be raised as an agenda item? If anyone is around at 4, facilitation meets then, usually at the northwest corner of the park. Matt On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: Ocppiers, see attached. Can we PLEASE get temperature check, poll people etc. To get consensus about this asap? BEFORE sundown? Re: drumming, observance of high holy days... See attached On 10/7/11, Steven Abramson <srabramson@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Folks > > Occupy Wall Street is a movement that is taking off, gathering steam, and is > getting worldwide attention. I live in the neighborhood and fully support
> what I have been seeing and hearing. However, I have a request. > > Please stop the drumming--it is driving people in the neighborhood crazy, > people who are your allies and friends. We lost Zucotti Park, which we love > in our devastated neighborhood. We are always targeted because of our > proximity to Wall St, whether for a good cause (ie, OWS) or a bad one (Al > Quaeda). But we gladly give the park to OWS. > > I have spoken to some folks at the site who have been kind, gracious, and > understanding, and the drumming does stop at 10PM. But why now during the > day? To generate excitement and people? You've done that. > > Here's another request. Tonight begins the Jewish observance of Yom Kippur, > it is the most important day in our calendar, it is a day of remembrance, > reflection, meditation, quiet, taking stock of one's life and changing it > for the good of oneself, one's family, one's community, and the world. > > I ask for a 24-hour moritorium on drumming from sundown tonight to sunset > tomorrow night, the hours of the Yom Kippur observance. > > Gratefully yours > > Steven Abramson > 114 Liberty Street
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Abridged summary of ows_outreach@googlegroups.com - 22 Messages in 10 Topics Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:06:45 PM
Through sophistacted tactical media group --who can inspire people to think laugh and be outraged. theatrics, tactics of subversion tactics of dillemma! How about forming a group of gimmickers who can do a fake court case on the floor of GA, a mock United Nations criminal arrest. a surrealist mockery of blatant mediocrity. I have some skits i wrote up for this kind of tactics we can use theatre groups for this and coordinate with globalrevolution to film it. But it has to be done by a dedicated group of pranksters. Studying the carnivalesque moments of protest that have been emerging around the world, taking notes, learning from Act UP, theatre of oppressed etc etc.. I am sure folks are already doing this, please link up if you are interested in a good laugh!!!! Please email me offline-On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: > how about a citizen's arrest? > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:32 PM, clark smith <ironsheikk@gmail.com> wrote: >> Great great! This is so nice to see all the work being done. I'm emailing >> everyone because I want it to be known that it is becoming evident that >> Democrats are trying to get Obama in on the OWS action. We've got to stop >> this. He's just as feckless and bought as the rest of them and I think most >> in OWS see this, don't you? >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/us/politics/occupy-wall-street-protests-offer-obamaopportunity-and-threats.html?ref=us >> >> How do we get the message out that Obama doesn't speak for us? >> >> JC >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:42:34 PM
+1 On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: " By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to
separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."" This, this, a million times this. --glj
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys, Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasiinternship programs, when those should be illegal. I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and hold off. The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic. That said, I do understand that the business community in North America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism.
By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward." Thanks for listening. On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating jobs. > > > > > > > > On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. > No Demands. > No Endorsements. > Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. > the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. > CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) > > > On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) > Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. > On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey guys, >> >> >> > > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >>
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least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this country.
What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House approach.
I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of action or line of thinking.
Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 12:09:49 PM
What work could we conceivably do to fix the crisis that wouldn't rely on implementation by "them?" I would be fascinated to read a lengthy argument for a course of action whereby we ourselves eradicate corrupt corporate influence on democratic politics. (For the record, these are sincere paragraphs above -- an actual question and an actual desire; it's tough to detect tone on e-mail, and they read as though meant bitingly). JAM On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: Actually, JAM That was my point. The crisis IS the value right now. But it cannot remain the only value for very long. American imagination is a fleeting thing. If we lose it, it's gone, and its' very hard to get back. I have been urging people to understand that the entire import of this thing is to finally wake everyone up to the crisis. But at some point, we have to turn off the alarm clock and go to work actually fixing the crisis. "They" won't do it for us. I promise you that.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 12:04:07 PM
Actually, JAM That was my point. The crisis IS the value right now. But it cannot remain the only value for very long. American imagination is a fleeting thing. If we lose it, it's gone, and its' very hard to get back. I have been urging people to understand that the entire import of this thing is to finally wake everyone up to the crisis. But at some point, we have to turn off the alarm clock and go to work actually fixing the crisis. "They" won't do it for us. I promise you that.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:48:33 AM
No! It is not our job to make demands. It is our job to create a crisis. Let them figure out how to solve things. I'm sorry, Shoq, but this thing is capturing people's imaginations and growing at a staggering rate. It would be foolhardy to switch up the strategy so radically when it is working so well. Your proclamation that people will lose interest fast is unsupported by any evidence or historical parallel. Here's mine on this exact question. http://jamyerson.com/2011/10/04/occupy-wall-street-what%E2%80%99s-theendgame/ In solidarity, JAM On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote: my proposal is 2 new demands (or 3) every week and we call them amendment demands to our declaration That way we are the future and not some liberal caucus makes the anarchists happy and us lefties all happy all strong and occupying ! ALL DAY ALL WEEK !
-----Original Message----From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:11 am Subject: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Well said, Charles. You said "Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."
The "We're not leaving" until we get the change we deserve is the compelling narrative for me, and many. But there still has to be some kind of deliverable. At some point, Congress and the people will ask "How is winning measured?" There needs to be a reasonable set of demands which can be realistically achieved while the public's interest is there and focused. If that is squandered, it will be very hard
to get back. The movement needs some "wins" early on.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:44:48 AM
my proposal is 2 new demands (or 3) every week and we call them amendment demands to our declaration That way we are the future and not some liberal caucus makes the anarchists happy and us lefties all happy all strong and occupying ! ALL DAY ALL WEEK !
-----Original Message----From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:11 am Subject: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Well said, Charles. You said "Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."
The "We're not leaving" until we get the change we deserve is the compelling narrative for me, and many. But there still has to be some kind of deliverable. At some point, Congress and the people will ask "How is winning measured?" There needs to be a reasonable set of demands which can be realistically achieved while the public's interest is there and focused. If that is squandered, it will be very hard to get back. The movement needs some "wins" early on.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:11:43 PM
I agree JEM, we need to end the wars and military budget--that is where our taxes go, killing the poorest people on earth. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > I hope the jobs act gets passed, but don't fool yourself that it is a > massive stimulus. It is a puny stimulus. We should be demanding a multi > trillion dollar jobs program, not begging for tax cuts for small business. > > > On 10/07/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sorry for creating this massive thread, and I do apologize to > those who, like myself, work day jobs and have caregiving duties. I > just want to add something to the context of this discussion of > potential intersections of the occupation with policy: > > Within the next few weeks or months, Greece is likely going to default > on its debts, setting off a chain reaction and causing another round > of global financial turmoil. Many people, like myself, may lose their > jobs and the stakes will instantly be higher for this movement and for > the country at large. The economy will need a massive injection of > stimulus from the government to try to mitigate the damage. For this > completely practical reason, I suggest that the movement takes another > look at the American Jobs Act, and if not that, then larger stimulus > and/or job programs that may be able to slightly alleviate Depression> like conditions. On that topic, I like the idea that the movement sees > itself in some way as a hub in a global support network or alternative > economy, particularly in light of what looks to be around the corner. > I hope I'm wrong! > > By the way, I will be hosting a little discussion of credit unions on > October 15th at Zucotti Park at 6pm. It would be nice to meet some of > you. > > Thanks everyone, and sorry again for the long-winded discussion. > > On Oct 7, 6:07 pm, David Graeber <da...@anarchisms.org> wrote: >> There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. >> David >> >> Sent from my Magic Brain >> >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks >> > to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping >> > peole move from payday loans to credit unions. >>
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On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum."
> I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth > going after. The fruit may be low-hanging, but it's rotten to the core. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks.
> Solidarity, > Jon > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain > <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote: > There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who > quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would > like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the > democratic and republican two party rule. >http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wal... > (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a > left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is > a right wing split from Republicans--) > Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum > ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of > this political system--> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: > > +1 > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> > internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > > hold off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic.
> > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."
> > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling >> poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported >> most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in >> creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rj...@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse.
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No Demands. No Endorsements. Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<Da...@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0...@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys,
> >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, > >> > at > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been > >> > accepted > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated > >> > or > >> > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > >> > country. > >> > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle > >> > of > >> > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal > >> > and > >> > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way > >> > the > >> > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage > >> > or
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> >> > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of > >> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > >> > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > >> > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > >> > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White > >> > House > >> > approach. > >> > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that > >> > there > >> > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want > >> > to > >> > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course > >> > of > >> > action or line of thinking. > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:29:34 PM
I hope the jobs act gets passed, but don't fool yourself that it is a massive stimulus. It is a puny stimulus. We should be demanding a multi trillion dollar jobs program, not begging for tax cuts for small business.
On 10/07/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: I'm sorry for creating this massive thread, and I do apologize to those who, like myself, work day jobs and have caregiving duties. I just want to add something to the context of this discussion of potential intersections of the occupation with policy: Within the next few weeks or months, Greece is likely going to default on its debts, setting off a chain reaction and causing another round of global financial turmoil. Many people, like myself, may lose their jobs and the stakes will instantly be higher for this movement and for the country at large. The economy will need a massive injection of stimulus from the government to try to mitigate the damage. For this completely practical reason, I suggest that the movement takes another look at the American Jobs Act, and if not that, then larger stimulus and/or job programs that may be able to slightly alleviate Depressionlike conditions. On that topic, I like the idea that the movement sees itself in some way as a hub in a global support network or alternative economy, particularly in light of what looks to be around the corner. I hope I'm wrong! By the way, I will be hosting a little discussion of credit unions on October 15th at Zucotti Park at 6pm. It would be nice to meet some of you. Thanks everyone, and sorry again for the long-winded discussion. On Oct 7, 6:07 pm, David Graeber <da...@anarchisms.org> wrote: > There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. > David > > Sent from my Magic Brain > > On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions. > > > On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter-
> > narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > > we're going to gain momentum." > > > I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be low-hanging, but it's rotten to the core. > > > I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). > > > Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. > > > This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. > > > Solidarity, > > > Jon > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who > > quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would > > like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the > > democratic and republican two party rule. > >http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wal... > > (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a > > left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is > > a right wing split from Republicans--) > > Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum > > ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of > > this political system--> > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > > > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> > > internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > > > hold off. > > > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does
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not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic.
> > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."
> > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rj...@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. No Demands. No Endorsements. Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<Da...@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-)
> >> On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0...@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy > >> bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized
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once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys,
> >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or > >> > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > >> > country. > >> > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of > >> > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and > >> > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the > >> > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or > >> > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of > >> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > >> > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > >> > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > >> > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House > >> > approach. > >> > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there > >> > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to > >> > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of > >> > action or line of thinking. > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David Graeber september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 6:08:23 PM
There's a big action at Occupy Austin today aiming to do just that. David Sent from my Magic Brain On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:17 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions.
On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles says "By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum."
I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be lowhanging, but it's rotten to the core. I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. Solidarity, Jon
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the democratic and republican two party rule. http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wall-streets-fight (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is a right wing split from Republicans--) Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of this political system---
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > +1 > > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > hold off. > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does > not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but > there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and > great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with > ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this > point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to > boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in > North America weren't so nihilistic. > > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about > the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or > effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being > co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I > understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first > two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an > effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution > retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That > can lead to nihilism. > > By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counterEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
> narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to > say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once > we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so > much to be done and we will continue forward." > > Thanks for listening. > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse >> any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that >> as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us >> specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement >> by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. >> No Demands. >> No Endorsements. >> Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David >> DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs >> Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting >> Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my >> opinion. >> the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. >> Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots >> of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. >> CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy >> bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized >> once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) >> Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real >> reform. >> On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > >> > >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >> > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >> > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a >> > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted
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as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this country.
Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 5:19:43 PM
good starting point for info on move your money: http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ On 10/7/2011 5:17 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
We should probably be advocating a movement of bank accounts from banks to credit unions, and maybe trying to come up with a strategy for helping peole move from payday loans to credit unions.
On 10/07/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be lowhanging, but it's rotten to the core. I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. Solidarity, Jon
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the
democratic and republican two party rule. http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wall-streets-fight (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is a right wing split from Republicans--) Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of this political system---
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > +1 > > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > hold off. > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does > not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but > there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and > great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with > ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this > point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to > boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in > North America weren't so nihilistic. > > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about > the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or > effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being > co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I > understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first > two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an > effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution > retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That > can lead to nihilism. > > By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to > say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once > we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so > much to be done and we will continue forward."
> > Thanks for listening. > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse >> any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that >> as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us >> specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement >> by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. >> No Demands. >> No Endorsements. >> Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David >> DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs >> Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting >> Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my >> opinion. >> the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. >> Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots >> of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. >> CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy >> bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized >> once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) >> Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real >> reform. >> On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > >> > >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >> > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >> > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a >> > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted >> > >> > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream >> > >> > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or >> >
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at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this country.
Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
And hitting your head against the same 3rd party fantasy would have a different result? I am all for a 3rd party.. if you can bring 20 million people to it in time to keep the Republicans from taking the Senate (likely) and the White House (increasingly plausible). Right now, most analysts predict the GOP will have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate, if we don't stop them. You think things suck now? Just imagine that world. Then add a President Romney giving conservatives a 6-3 or 7-2 majority for the next 50 yearson the Supreme Court. At the rate they are going, their voting suppression tactics will be institutionalized in all 50 states, Tom Delay will have his permanent majority, and even the barest glimpses of a democracy will be done. Permanently. We're not in a position where long-term outcome-scenario games can be debated endlessly. These people are on the verge of controlling everything but the people in the streets, and they will use this movement to try to further deconstruct whatever unity remains on the left. And history teaches us that when they decide to do that, things get very ugly, fast. They won't discuss OWS "frustrations" as Obama did yesterday. They will simply roll the tanks. They've been wanting to since the 1940s anyway. They just didn't have the control, or the need. The existing facade of democracy was adequate. Now that the rest of the world is competitive, and all the jobs are gone, that's a hard facade to maintain any longer. But that still doesn't get us closer to "what replaces the mess they have made." A nice start would be some serious and immediate restorations of regulations that had mitigated their reckless natures in the past. Most people do NOT want revolution, as they feel it just kills the entire body and puts too many at risk. But toothless band-aids are also not worth the effort to apply. We need to find a middle ground. Democrats have hardly been blameless in this fiasco. We all know that. But since either they or the republicans will control the next government, we'd better decide whether we want to try and force their compliance with #OWS "catalysts" (better word than demands?), and then elect them to enact them. Otherwise, I fear, the whole world is in for an even bigger world of hurt.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 12:42:45 PM
ok, I really hope this is said, and received, in the comradely tone of OWS: those of us who work for a living (or take care of kids while on a PC or whatever) and are on multiple lists generally prefer folks to post at a reasonable frequency, not dozens and dozens of times a day, which becomes a distraction from other tasks for work, family and personal
---------- Original Message ---------From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Yes,JAM, tone is always hard in text. Thank you for acknowledging that. I go back and forth between twitter, voice, and other online venues, where I have to change up between radicals, reactionaries, corporate drones, pandering pussies and wannabes, and all the celebritistas who just want to know where the #ows parties are. Switching gears is hard sometimes. Your wrote: "I would be fascinated to read a lengthy argument for a course of action whereby we ourselves eradicate corrupt corporate influence on democratic politics." There are many of those around, but none which would likely persuade you, or anyone else deeply cynical about the depth of this mess the 1% have created. And that is precisely what I would like to do first: find some kind of moderated venue where people who want to thrash out such conversations can do it in good faith, and without too much shouting. I am too new to this group to know if this is or is not the place for such conversations. Do you know of others I might explore? Also, would you please follow me on Twitter. Something I'd like to DM you about.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:50:08 PM
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On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys, Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasiinternship programs, when those should be illegal. I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and hold off. The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic. That said, I do understand that the business community in North America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward." Thanks for listening. On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating jobs. >
> > > > > > > On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. > No Demands. > No Endorsements. > Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. > the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. > CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) > > > On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) > Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. > On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey guys, >> >> >> > > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >> > > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >> > > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a >> > > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted >> > > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream >> > > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or >> > > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this >> > > country. >> >> >> > > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of >> > > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and >> > > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the >> > > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or >> > > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of
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corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House approach.
Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
Yes,JAM, tone is always hard in text. Thank you for acknowledging that. I go back and forth between twitter, voice, and other online venues, where I have to change up between radicals, reactionaries, corporate drones, pandering pussies and wannabes, and all the celebritistas who just want to know where the #ows parties are. Switching gears is hard sometimes. Your wrote: "I would be fascinated to read a lengthy argument for a course of action whereby we ourselves eradicate corrupt corporate influence on democratic politics." There are many of those around, but none which would likely persuade you, or anyone else deeply cynical about the depth of this mess the 1% have created. And that is precisely what I would like to do first: find some kind of moderated venue where people who want to thrash out such conversations can do it in good faith, and without too much shouting. I am too new to this group to know if this is or is not the place for such conversations. Do you know of others I might explore? Also, would you please follow me on Twitter. Something I'd like to DM you about.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:23:30 PM
There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the democratic and republican two party rule. http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wall-streets-fight (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is a right wing split from Republicans--) Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of this political system---
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > +1 > > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > hold off. > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does > not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but > there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and > great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with > ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this > point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to > boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in > North America weren't so nihilistic. > > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about > the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or > effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being > co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I > understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first > two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an > effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution > retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That > can lead to nihilism. >
> By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to > say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once > we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so > much to be done and we will continue forward." > > Thanks for listening. > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse >> any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that >> as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us >> specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement >> by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. >> No Demands. >> No Endorsements. >> Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David >> DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs >> Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting >> Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my >> opinion. >> the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. >> Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots >> of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. >> CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy >> bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized >> once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) >> Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real >> reform. >> On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > >> > >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >> > >> > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >> > >> > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a >> > >> > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted >> >
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Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 3:27:07 AM
I'm in agreement with this, but I don't think the jobs bill is worth going after. The fruit may be low-hanging, but it's rotten to the core. I'd really like to see something that drastically changes the face of what banks do. It would be awesome if we built viable alternatives to banks, or demanded a glass-stegall type act that also severely limited the size, where they could invest, and the number of clients they could have. Right now, banks are the only game in town for participating in the American economy (I know, I know, credit unions are out there, but they're too small and have membership restrictions); bank accounts are needed to get an apartment, health insurance, e-commerce, making large purchases like a vehicle or college tuition, etc. (Imagine how unlikely it is for someone to show up to a college administration building to pay their tuition with a briefcase full of cash). Right now, banks do the opposite of their original intended function: instead of pooling everybody's money and reinvesting it in the community, banks now suck money and resources out of communities and channel them to the major fat cats. That's the reason there's no jobs. That the reason houses are being foreclosed. There's no resources left in our communities to do anything. This is what needs to stop. That's the sort of low-hanging fruit that is totally reachable and demandable to congress. This has been my 3 AM rant. I recognize the privilege inherent in my assumption that everybody can even have a bank account to begin with, and that shit's even more difficult for people whose circumstances prevent them from the privilege of being cordially and genially fucked by banks, rather than the way marginalized communities are written off entirely because the banks there's not enough value to justify the operating expenses of getting their hooks into folks. Solidarity, Jon
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: There was an article today in Nation Mag, by Allison Kilkenny ---who quoted Ayman El Sayed from the nurse's union stating that he would like to see a third party come out of this movement, outside the democratic and republican two party rule. http://www.thenation.com/blog/163823/unions-thousands-join-occupy-wallEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
streets-fight (And there is so also much speculation that this movement might be a left wing split from democratic party, similar to how the Tea Party is a right wing split from Republicans--) Just curious what folks think of this in terms of building momentum ---towards 99 demands plus 1001 nights to forever change the nature of this political system---
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > +1 > > > On 10/06/11, Charles<chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious > issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasi> internship programs, when those should be illegal. > > I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and > hold off. > > The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does > not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but > there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and > great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with > ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this > point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to > boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in > North America weren't so nihilistic. > > That said, I do understand that the business community in North > America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept > of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . > > However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about > the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or > effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being > co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I > understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first > two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an > effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution > retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That > can lead to nihilism. > > By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to > separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counter> narrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if > we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to
> say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once > we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so > much to be done and we will continue forward." > > Thanks for listening. > > On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: >> I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on >> the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of >> the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating >> jobs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse >> any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that >> as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us >> specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement >> by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. >> No Demands. >> No Endorsements. >> Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David >> DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs >> Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting >> Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my >> opinion. >> the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. >> Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots >> of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. >> CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy >> bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized >> once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) >> Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real >> reform. >> On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > >> > >> > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > >> > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at
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least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this country.
Sincerely,
>> > Charles Reinhardt >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:37:50 AM
Yah. We know the problem. The concept is to find a way forward toward solutions. Unless we find some, the whole house of cards collapses and a lot of people suffer much more than they are now. If there is no plan to this movement, except camping out on doorsteps, people will grow weary of it fast. That would be a waste.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of lisajensky@gmail.com ows_sept17 Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:23:44 AM
Well said :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: "acpollack2@juno.com" <acpollack2@juno.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:18:20 GMT To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act re how is winning measured, what is reasonable and realistic: Winning is measured by whether everyone who needs a job has one. Reasonable: the same, plus what working people decide is reasonable, not the rich or their political servants. Realistic: shifting the TRILLIONS held by banks and corporations to provision of services through public works jobs. I love how what was "realistic" during the Depression, at least in rhetoric, is now out of bounds in polite discourse. ---------- Original Message ---------From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:11:03 -0700 (PDT) The "We're not leaving" until we get the change we deserve is the compelling narrative for me, and many. But there still has to be some kind of deliverable. At some point, Congress and the people will ask "How is winning measured?" There needs to be a reasonable set of demands which can be realistically achieved while the public's interest is there and focused. If that is squandered, it will be very hard to get back. The movement needs some "wins" early on.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:20:06 AM
re how is winning measured, what is reasonable and realistic: Winning is measured by whether everyone who needs a job has one. Reasonable: the same, plus what working people decide is reasonable, not the rich or their political servants. Realistic: shifting the TRILLIONS held by banks and corporations to provision of services through public works jobs. I love how what was "realistic" during the Depression, at least in rhetoric, is now out of bounds in polite discourse. ---------- Original Message ---------From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:11:03 -0700 (PDT) The "We're not leaving" until we get the change we deserve is the compelling narrative for me, and many. But there still has to be some kind of deliverable. At some point, Congress and the people will ask "How is winning measured?" There needs to be a reasonable set of demands which can be realistically achieved while the public's interest is there and focused. If that is squandered, it will be very hard to get back. The movement needs some "wins" early on.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Shoq september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:17:35 AM
People like Kilkenny have been writing about 3rd parties for 200 years. It's a waste of energy. Unless you have 20 million people in it, and can prove it, It's far harder than anyone knows (and takes years). I think the goal should be to make the parties come back to serving the people. They are politicians. Show them the votes, and they will kiss your ass almost as fast as that of any tasty lobbyist. Our mistake on the American left is always looking for magic bullets. There are none. Except the people themselves. Get enough people in the streets, and keep them there, and you won't need a 3rd party. You will have the sympathy and vote of the people. And there has always been strength in that. Our problem as a culture is not voting for change; it's thinking that our obligations end there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of guindave@aol.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Friday, October 07, 2011 11:38:50 AM
As some one who the democratic party kicked off the ballot I disagree. I like Naomis "hitting your head against the same wall is a sign of insanity" I honstly think that by voting Green you get more results then working familys or dems. We need deep structal changes. -----Original Message----From: Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 7, 2011 11:17 am Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act People like Kilkenny have been writing about 3rd parties for 200 years. It's a waste of energy. Unless you have 20 million people in it, and can prove it, It's far harder than anyone knows (and takes years). I think the goal should be to make the parties come back to serving the people. They are politicians. Show them the votes, and they will kiss your ass almost as fast as that of any tasty lobbyist. Our mistake on the American left is always looking for magic bullets. There are none. Except the people themselves. Get enough people in the streets, and keep them there, and you won't need a 3rd party. You will have the sympathy and vote of the people. And there has always been strength in that. Our problem as a culture is not voting for change; it's thinking that our obligations end there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:26:11 PM
" By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to
separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward."" This, this, a million times this. --glj
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys, Thanks for the responses. I understand that there are some serious issues with the AJA, including its formal endorsement of quasiinternship programs, when those should be illegal. I also understand the desire not to play or overplay our hand, and hold off. The comparisons to the German unemployment or "short work" system does not render it disreputable in my eyes. Germany is not perfect, but there is an enviable level of worker control in German factories and great labor protections there, and adapting or experimenting with ideas from Northern Europe would probably be a good idea at this point. I think greater collaboration between the state and business to boost employment would be a wonderful thing, if the business class in North America weren't so nihilistic. That said, I do understand that the business community in North America *is* nihilistic, and has utterly abandoned the entire concept of "home bias" that classical capitalists fantasized about . However, I would remind you all of Alain Badiou's famous thesis about the three ways a revolution fails. The first is by being physically or effectively destroyed or foiled. The second is by co-opting or being co-opted by the agenda of the enemy, rendering itself pointless. I understand that all of us are extremely concerned about these first two possibilities. The third, however, is more pernicious: in an effort to avoid the first two forms of failure, the revolution retreats into "ultra-leftism" and becomes obsessed with purity. That can lead to nihilism. By all means, let's not tie ourselves down too much. It's important to separate ourselves from the dominant narrative and build a counternarrative. However, we need *some* leverage in the public debate if
we're going to gain momentum. Personally, I think it would be great to say "We want this this and this, and we're not leaving. However, once we get those things, we're STILL not leaving because there's still so much to be done and we will continue forward." Thanks for listening. On Oct 6, 6:15 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating jobs. > > > > > > > > On 10/06/11,Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu>wrote:The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. > No Demands. > No Endorsements. > Not Yet.On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com>wrote:please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. > the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. > CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-) > > > On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM,bf0189@gmail.comwrote:It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) > Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. > On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey guys, >> >> >> > > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, >> > > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at >> > > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >> > > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a >> > > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted
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Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cesar september17@googlegroups.com september17 Re: [september17discuss] Re: COLUMBUS DAY for some, INTERNATIONAL DAY OFSOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE for us. Oct. 12. Friday, October 07, 2011 10:22:14 PM
You Are correct Monday 10th Sent from phone
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, "Richard S." <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: >> COLUMBUS DAY for some, INTERNATIONAL DAY OF > SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE for us. Oct. 12.< > > Though for me, most of all, Oct. 12 is my birthday. But that's not > why I'm writing. I'm writing because Columbus Day (and therefore Anti> Columbus Day?) were moved some years ago from October 12 to the Monday > of that week. So this year, it's October 10. Shouldn't that be the > day? Or am I missing something? > > > On Oct 7, 11:15 am, lisajen...@gmail.com wrote: >> Yes!!!! >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Bahare S <t.sey...@gmail.com> >> >> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:04:49 >> To: <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] COLUMBUS DAY for some, INTERNATIONAL DAY OF >> SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE for us. Oct. 12. >> >> I second that!!! Let's get started!!! >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> We should organize major events at Liberty Plaza for October 12 , INTERNATIONAL >>> DAY OF SOLIDARITY WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLE since 1992<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day#Opposition_to_Columbus_cele...>. >>> We should celebrate this day as a day of condemnation of atrocities and >>> solidarity. There are many specific actions that can be proposed locally and >>> internationally. Spread the word. There will be an announcement at the GA >>> about this tonight and a working group should be formed. >>> Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Need restaurant list urgently. Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:43:36 AM
Dear JA Myerson, We need to get Hunger Project http://www.thp.org/ and our local CSAs involved fully, to obtain nutritious sustainable local grown food if possible. I say this because it is imperative to feed healthy minerally rich food, our occupiers are getting ill, speaking to some of our own herbalist at med, they were coming down with the sniffles themselves.. OUR food needs to be our medicine--especially breakfast. i met with kitchen and proposed we serve tonic teas in the morning and delicious tasting, for the occupiers who sleep at night and persuade them all to drink a cup to prevent illness. We are figuring out how to actually do this logistically without electricity... and we may need to buy more herbs later, but first lets disperse the box of stuff we have. shaista On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm thinking about not just food, but warehousing too. It's going to be a > long winter, somewhere. >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Need restaurant list urgently. Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:45:51 AM
sorry wrong website, i meant hunger action network of NYC http://www.hungeractionnys.org/commfood_csa.htm and local csa -On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:43 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear JA Myerson, We need to get Hunger Project http://www.thp.org/ and > our local CSAs involved fully, to obtain nutritious sustainable local > grown food if possible. I say this because it is imperative to feed > healthy minerally rich food, our occupiers are getting ill, speaking > to some of our own herbalist at med, they were coming down with the > sniffles themselves.. OUR food needs to be our medicine--especially > breakfast. i met with kitchen and proposed we serve tonic teas in the > morning and delicious tasting, for the occupiers who sleep at night > and persuade them all to drink a cup to prevent illness. We are > figuring out how to actually do this logistically without > electricity... and we may need to buy more herbs later, but first lets > disperse the box of stuff we have. > shaista > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Shoq <shoqvalue@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm thinking about not just food, but warehousing too. It's going to be a >> long winter, somewhere. >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Occupy Wall Street Analytics Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:36:40 AM
My pleasure crew, My suspicion is that there are many reasons for non-white participation in this movement, The internet has been far and a way the number one means of spreading news of this campaign, the first thing to determine will be non-white rates of internet usage, if these communities are not on the internet than they may have missed the message almost entirely. These groups may not even consume as much overall media as caucasions. The trick will be determining which channels they are already paying attention to. Face to face outreach is may be most effective for the time being. I'll keep working on this, Harrison
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Harrison for this. Could someone from the PoC working group join our community relations group to help working with a diverse group of local residents/businesses? I'm thinking specifically of the many Hispanic, African-American, Asian etc residents and business-owners in the area. -Justin Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:38 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > I am a nonwhite person (Puerto Rican) who never fills out surveys that > ask me to specify my ethnicity. There are people in the world who > could give a crap abt reporting their race/ethnicity, or who deem it > something to pay attention to. > > I am here to make a change for everyone. > > As Michael Jackson sang in "Man in the Mirror" > > (ducking now from the many stones about to be thrown) > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'd like to thank sister Shaista for her comments and suggest two >> things. First, that the term "non-white people" might be offensive to >> folks: imagine defining people as the negative of the privileged >> group. Second, as implied by Shaista, the work of the PoC Working >> Group is crucial, but not enough. Their goals and efforts should
>> infuse every working group, every committee, and OWS, as a whole. It >> is imperative that this young movement begin to reflect the >> demographics of NYC. It is imperative that the base and leadership of >> this struggle actively incorporate those who have most at stake in its >> outcome. That is the only way the Occupy movement is going to go >> forward and weather the storms that lie ahead. >> >> On Oct 8, 1:58 am, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> THis is REALLY SAD empirical evidence of how estranged people of color >>> feel from this movement. Its heartbreaking and devastating. >>> >>> "The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I doubt >>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let >>> everyone know if I find anything. Several respondents self-responded >>> with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think about >>> diversifying this movement. In the mean time we absolutely should >>> make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen." >>> >>> Thanks for putting this at the end of your survey, just like >>> "colonization" is the last sentence of the declaration. Perhaps it is >>> because this is our main challenge, as a movement. >>> Mica's suggestion for non-white dominated media day is bogus--we >>> should make everyday non-white dominated media day, every day. >>> That means white people should actively speak about people of color >>> and minorities==should promote their cause in multicultural >>> inclusiveness in an actively conscious way. >>> >>> Today once again, sitting in the Education and Empowerment working >>> group--if it isn't white men dominating the meeting, then its men of >>> color, while the women of color bicker amongst themselves suspiciously >>> of each other for no reason except that we feel so alienated we just >>> try to learn the "process" >>> Its getting tiresome and ridiculous. >>> >>> Comrades, our outreach into labor and community of color has been >>> amazing, our diversity is a fact on the ground, but we must actively >>> decolonize our movement without tokenism, can white people speak about >>> communities of color directly and speak about diversity and >>> multiculturalism? Why does it have to be brown folks doing all the >>> work? Can you please allow women and women of color to speak up, >>> encourage them to speak, and take it one step further and make these >>> issues your own--i am speaking to the people who are NOT doing this >>> already consciously actively. This is what this occupation has to be >>> about. Not just polls and media hype, but real transformation. Here is >>> a quote by Robin Kelley from Freedom Dreams: >>> >>> "Without new visions, we dont know what to build, only what to knock >>> down. We not only end up confused, rudderless, and cynical, but we >>> forget that making a revolution is not a series of clever maneuvers >>> and tactics, but a process that can and must transform us" >>> Robin D.G. Kelley (Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination) >>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Justine <just...@occupywallst.org> wrote: >>>> Great work, ty :) >>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Traffic to occupywallst.org continues to surge, our new high is just >>>>> over/under 400,000 visits in the last few days. 350,346 people >>>>> visited occupywallst.org that day, 1,890 of them answered a survey >>>>> that we put up on the site within the span of a few short hours. >>> >>>>> I can't post charts into the body of this message for some reason, but >>>>> as we would expect the overwhelming majority of the respondents are >>>>> white educated, earning little but employed full-time, left-leaning >>>>> straight guys who live in cities and describe themselves as >>>>> independents rather than democratic or republican...only 37 >>>>> republicans filled out this survey unfortunately. >>> >>>>> These respondents overwhelmingly use the internet more than the T.V. >>>>> 74% are regularly using Youtube >>>>> 67% are on regularly using Facebook >>>>> 74% are not regularly using Reddit >>>>> 61% are not regularly using Twitter >>> >>>>> 85% are not watching Fox. >>> >>>>> 81% strongly support the Occupy Wall Street Protests. >>>>> 74% believe that the Occupy Wall Street Protests will create positive >>>>> and lasting social change. >>>>> 73% strongly believe that the protests will grow. >>> >>>>> Yet, a combined total of only 24% of these respondents have >>>>> participated in these protests, which suggests that in spite of the >>>>> homogeneity of the movement as it currently stands, there is much >>>>> opportunity to further increase our numbers on the ground from within >>>>> our current base of support. >>> >>>>> I've heard reports from Flux of campers from who watched the >>>>> livestream for so long that they wound up coming to Liberty. >>>>> Definitely the next best thing to being hear. I also noticed that the >>>>> livestream.com/globalrevolution website showed up 4th on the 2nd page >>>>> of a search for "occupy wall street" Fortunately optimization is our >>>>> Comrade Zach Notes specialty and he should be able and willing to help >>>>> us if someone from the media team can hook him up with access to the >>>>> site. I've also added a question to the survey asking if they >>>>> regularly follow the protests on the livestream so we can track this >>>>> with subsequent surveys. More cameras and streams couldn't hurt at >>>>> all either. >>> >>>>> The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I doubt >>>>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let >>>>> everyone know if I find anything. Several respondents self-responded
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with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think about diversifying this movement. In the mean time we absolutely should make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen. Response patterns for female respondents were so nearly identical to the male respondents that I won't bother to indicate them - however I did notice that 52% of the female respondents listen to the radio as opposed to 40% of male respondents, which could be a good way to trying to reach more women. The numbers on the ground from this week look excellent as well. It does look like there's a real hardcore group of roughly 200-300 holding it down. There was 115% increase in the average number of people counted in the camp each morning between Monday and Friday. Let's see if the same trend happens next week or if it was just due to nicer weather at the end of the week. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday 10/3/2011 10/4/2011 10/5/2011 10/6/2011 10/7/2011 - 163 - 240 - 261 - 307 - 351
I'm done for the night comrades, -Harrison
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Occupy Wall Street Analytics Saturday, October 08, 2011 6:34:21 PM
We need a Multicultural Diversity statement on the web. We are NOT all white middle class men, never were to begin with, not even the majority. CodePink has just criticized OWS for sexist policy too. We are a diverse group of international participants/activists from diverse backgrounds since the beginning, we still are, on the ground--and now that we have grown, it is increasingly imerative that we reflect the demographic nature of NYC, that we adapt to the influx of new community members and become keen on all issues of inclusiveness. There has been a sad lack of addressing issues of representation in our LANGUAGE, as well as in our media dissemination. The mainstream media has characterized as predominantly white, this is due to the lack of democratic process in the GA as well as within each working group-- who have ignored or simply dismissed this issue as a core and active part of every working group (everyone, including the people of color in these groups--) By thinking People of Color can be segregated into PofC working group can have its negative side---it can be a purely cynical response to problems of inclusiveness, if we allow people of color to be contained in an autonomous working group without involving each and every person in the occupation and addressing the structure of the GA at large. I am not interested in "delegates" of separate tribes who speak as "expert native informers" on issues pertaining to a particular group's identity--what a sad mockery. This kind of liberal de facto identity politics is what failed in CUNY when "ethnic studies" was created and then dismantled. Its a long history of separating ethnicities, or struggles or inquiries, i am skeptical this can bring real lasting transformation in social conditions. We need to include the whole occupation. Decenter white privilege, deconstruct racism deconstruct sexism and all kinds of dominant structures that play into creating hierarchies--ground up. I agree with Licophidion everything written below. I do appreciate the need for PofC working group, to discuss and address these issues of diversification--of course--but let's make sure we are NOT segregating or tokenizing people of color into separate discursive bantustans. This will backfire. 1. We need to make sure the democratic process on the ground allows underrepresented groups to come to the fore. Already, this is part of the process, every GA asks majority groups to speak last and allow others who have not spoken to speak first. This is part of the process needs to be disseminated widely, so everyone knows this is the policy of how the GA operates. If WE need to implement further structural changes and strategies that make sure this process is elaborated on every level, within each working groups. 2. Address the lack of politics of representation in our website, in our twitters in our media outlets. Actively campaign to reflect the many diverse groups that are joining forces with this occupation. And make sure our LANGUAGE reflects that.
3. People of Color blocked the Declaration document at the GA because of its language erasing centuries of oppression and lumping unequal issues together and had problems convincing the GA why. This is serious issue. Documents and statements that represent the "official" line of the GA, whatever it may be, must pay close attention to all issues of diversity and participation. I can not stress this more. If you erase issue of representations you have failed to be inclusive, you assert a white invisible leadership, by virtue of leaving it blank. Folks are pissed off about it and are relating their opinions in NPR==and all over the media because there has not been enough attention to this problem. It needs to be remedied by everyone.
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Lycophidion <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think the issue can be addressed technologically. There are > several reasons for this. Mobile technology, in particular, tends to > atomize and depersonalize individuals and individual communication. In > a way, it pretends there is an even playing field, which socially > doesn't exist. Moreover, if you are a white person, most of those with > whom you engage will tend to be white, so in the aggregate, you won't > really be increasing diversity. Having said that, yes, technology is > an important tool and complement for building the movement, generally > speaking. > > The conditions for overcoming this problem (the demographics of OWS) > are created, in part, by the very growth of the movement, and its > resonance with the aspirations and grievances of the most oppressed > communities. > > But, only in part. > > As others have pointed out, the history of racism and white privilege > in this country puts up enormous barriers to the diversification of > the movement. There are real, deeply ingrained and socially > institutionalized power relations viz white people and people of > color, men and women, etc., in the most progressive of groups (even in > personal relationships, friendships, marriages). Any approach that > focuses simply on individual participation will not remedy this > situation. People are empowered collectively. OWS itself is living > testimony to that. So, I would argue that the only way we are going to > diversify is through some sort of collective affirmative action, > involving face-to-face community organizing and organizational > outreach, led by People of Color. That, of course, is a crucial piece > for the PoC Working Group. > > Let me be concrete and point to a good example. I teach intro biology > at Medgar Evers College. My students are predominantly African > American, Afro-Caribbean and South Asian, mostly women, mostly older > working people. During my last two classes, I initiated discussion of > OWS. A large number had never even heard of OWS... but, most students > generally approved and identified with our goals. During break, a > number of students returned to class with copies of the OWS Journal, > which someone or ones had been distributing at the Franklin Ave. > station. That led to further discussion. And, it turns out that a good > number of these same students are DC 1707 and DC 37 members, which > creates openings for outreach efforts by the Labor group. > > This is a piece of the puzzle. Another piece is proactive efforts by > ALL working groups to actively recruit (rather than passively
> accepting) People of Color into their fold. At the same time, groups > and OWS as a whole should proactively engage in what we used to call > "leadership development," which involves creating comfort zones within > each group, norms of operation that recognize existing power > relations, purposefully promoting leadership skills and knowledge, > standing back and encouraging initiatives, etc. All guided by the PoC > committee. > > To its great credit, OWS has taken a number of steps along these > lines. Much more needs to be done. Much is at stake. > > On Oct 8, 12:08 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> As long as the online media is mobile compatible we will be bringing in the >> diverse community we want... just make sure that everything is mobile >> compatible (which I think it is) >> On Oct 8, 2011 11:37 AM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Justine, can we please put this survey out every week? Can we? Can we??? >> >> > H. >> >> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> My pleasure crew, >> >> >> My suspicion is that there are many reasons for non-white participation in >> >> this movement, The internet has been far and a way the number one means of >> >> spreading news of this campaign, the first thing to determine will be >> >> non-white rates of internet usage, if these communities are not on the >> >> internet than they may have missed the message almost entirely. These >> >> groups may not even consume as much overall media as caucasions. The trick >> >> will be determining which channels they are already paying attention to. >> >> Face to face outreach is may be most effective for the time being. >> >> >> I'll keep working on this, >> >> >> Harrison >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks Harrison for this. >> >> >>> Could someone from the PoC working group join our community relations >> >>> group to help working with a diverse group of local residents/businesses? >> >>> I'm thinking specifically of the many Hispanic, African-American, Asian etc >> >>> residents and business-owners in the area. >> >> >>> -Justin >> >> >>> Sent from my iPad >> >> >>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:38 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> > I am a nonwhite person (Puerto Rican) who never fills out surveys that
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>>> > ask me to specify my ethnicity. There are people in the world who >>> > could give a crap abt reporting their race/ethnicity, or who deem it >>> > something to pay attention to. >>> > I am here to make a change for everyone. >>> > As Michael Jackson sang in "Man in the Mirror" >>> > (ducking now from the many stones about to be thrown) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Lycophidion <lycophid...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'd like to thank sister Shaista for her comments and suggest two >> things. First, that the term "non-white people" might be offensive to >> folks: imagine defining people as the negative of the privileged >> group. Second, as implied by Shaista, the work of the PoC Working >> Group is crucial, but not enough. Their goals and efforts should >> infuse every working group, every committee, and OWS, as a whole. It >> is imperative that this young movement begin to reflect the >> demographics of NYC. It is imperative that the base and leadership of >> this struggle actively incorporate those who have most at stake in its >> outcome. That is the only way the Occupy movement is going to go >> forward and weather the storms that lie ahead. >> On Oct 8, 1:58 am, shaista husain <shaistahus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> THis is REALLY SAD empirical evidence of how estranged people of color >>> feel from this movement. Its heartbreaking and devastating. >>> "The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I doubt >>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let >>> everyone know if I find anything. Several respondents self-responded >>> with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think about >>> diversifying this movement. In the mean time we absolutely should >>> make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for putting this at the end of your survey, just like "colonization" is the last sentence of the declaration. Perhaps it is because this is our main challenge, as a movement. Mica's suggestion for non-white dominated media day is bogus--we should make everyday non-white dominated media day, every day. That means white people should actively speak about people of color and minorities==should promote their cause in multicultural inclusiveness in an actively conscious way.
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work? Can you please allow women and women of color to speak up, encourage them to speak, and take it one step further and make these issues your own--i am speaking to the people who are NOT doing this already consciously actively. This is what this occupation has to be about. Not just polls and media hype, but real transformation. Here a quote by Robin Kelley from Freedom Dreams: "Without new visions, we dont know what to build, only what to knock down. We not only end up confused, rudderless, and cynical, but we forget that making a revolution is not a series of clever maneuvers and tactics, but a process that can and must transform us" Robin D.G. Kelley (Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination)
>>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Justine <just...@occupywallst.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Great work, ty :) >>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Harrison Schultz < >>> schuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> just >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> T.V. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Traffic to occupywallst.org continues to surge, our new high is over/under 400,000 visits in the last few days. 350,346 people visited occupywallst.org that day, 1,890 of them answered a survey that we put up on the site within the span of a few short hours. I can't post charts into the body of this message for some reason, as we would expect the overwhelming majority of the respondents are white educated, earning little but employed full-time, left-leaning straight guys who live in cities and describe themselves as independents rather than democratic or republican...only 37 republicans filled out this survey unfortunately. These respondents overwhelmingly use the internet more than the 74% 67% 74% 61% are are are are regularly using Youtube on regularly using Facebook not regularly using Reddit not regularly using Twitter
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livestream.com/globalrevolution website showed up 4th on the 2nd of a search for "occupy wall street" Fortunately optimization is Comrade Zach Notes specialty and he should be able and willing to us if someone from the media team can hook him up with access to site. I've also added a question to the survey asking if they regularly follow the protests on the livestream so we can track with subsequent surveys. More cameras and streams couldn't hurt at all either.
>>>>> The sample of non-white people in this sample is so small that I doubt >>>>> I'll get any worth while insight from it but I'll be sure to let >>>>> everyone know if I find anything. Several respondents self-responded >>>>> with specific nationalities, which could be better way to think about >>>>> diversifying this movement. In the mean time we absolutely should >>>>> make Micha's suggestion of a non-white media day(s) happen. >>>>> to >>>>> I >>>>> as >>>>> start >>>>> >>>>> It >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> Response patterns for female respondents were so nearly identical the male respondents that I won't bother to indicate them - however did notice that 52% of the female respondents listen to the radio opposed to 40% of male respondents, which could be a good way to trying to reach more women. The numbers on the ground from this week look excellent as well. does look like there's a real hardcore group of roughly 200-300 holding it down. There was 115% increase in the average number of people counted in the camp each morning between Monday and Friday. Let's see if the same trend happens next week or if it was just due nicer weather at the end of the week. 10/3/2011 10/4/2011 - 163 - 240
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: PS. Mind the conservative backlash Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:59:25 AM
I'm glad that my words pissed off the enemy and that they didn't piss off any of you, dear comrades! I'll keep working with Patrick to fuck with the mass media! H.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, jez bold <jezbold@gmail.com> wrote: beautiful!!!!!! On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:08 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Please forgive me I know there is a safety group, but it isn't listed on the NYCGA.. perhaps we need to UP the comfort zone...i am looking for the working group addressing all aspects of security on NYCGA On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:58 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > In many ways, you aren't a legit people's movement until you get death > threats from Glenn Beck's people. > I consider it a rite of passage... > -justin > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:42 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> If there is one thing that this movement clearly represents, without >> demands, is the HUMAN ALTERNATIVE to the RIGHT WING. Once we mention >> "ReVolution" it will become clear to the world to see that there may >> be a silent majority of revolutionaries in the US fed up and come of >> age--let the racist right wing watch how we grow and spread across the >> US. >> >> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:22 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Excellent interview! Wow, those comments are really despicable! I >> > could >> > only stomach a few... >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Brilliant Harrison!!!! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > You look great, sorry for the threats. For now it merely betrays them
>> >> > as the lying authoritarian bastards they really are. >> > >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Green september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Thoughts on increasing participation of People of Color Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:07:00 PM
OK. I'm with the information Booth. Trying to get a grasp of who is working with what group sent from my kikiPCS* phone On Oct 8, 2011 3:53 PM, "Lycophidion" <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: No, labor. On Oct 8, 2:54 pm, Ryan Green <ryangreen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great email. Are you on the poc working group? >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Thoughts on increasing participation of People of Color Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:11:41 PM
hey i am working with that group. its a big group just forming now, so there are many many people involved already. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Ryan Green <ryangreenish@gmail.com> wrote: > OK. I'm with the information Booth. Trying to get a grasp of who is > working with what group > > sent from my kikiPCS* phone > > On Oct 8, 2011 3:53 PM, "Lycophidion" <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> No, labor. >> >> On Oct 8, 2:54 pm, Ryan Green <ryangreen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Great email. Are you on the poc working group? >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] RT @cnnireport: #OWS hits New Orleans. Friday, October 07, 2011 1:14:57 PM
awesome gallery - OccupyUSA!!! On 10/7/2011 11:41 AM, Shoq wrote: > RT @cnnireport: #occupywallstreet hits New Orleans. See iReporters > track the movement as it spreads across the U.S.: http://t.co/I0iOn7gL
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:25:07 PM
I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands - it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'? I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:37:27 PM
If you would like my professional credentials I would be happy to supply them to the team... On Oct 6, 2011 4:55 PM, "shaista husain" <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaistahusain@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:58:09 PM
Grim i don't think anyone is challenging your credentials Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 17:37:22 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool If you would like my professional credentials I would be happy to supply them to the team... On Oct 6, 2011 4:55 PM, "shaista husain" <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:33:39 PM
As long as you've bought your ticket in advance, you should be good. Kidding! Just show up with your sleeping bag, sleeping pad (if you have one), and other things for sleeping out, and an open mind, and introduce yourself to people! (Also, when looking for directions, keep in mind Liberty Park is technically known as Zuccotti Park.) --glj On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Elkind, Raphe <RElkind@countryschool.net> wrote: I'm coming into town for the weekend from Connecticut and would like to participate. Is there anything specific to attend or do we just head to the vicinity of Liberty Park? Please advice. Thanks, Raphe -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner Sent: Thu 10/6/2011 3:25 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ** just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:31:31 PM
I am taking this on. I will reach out after I talk to them.... :) On Oct 6, 2011 3:25 PM, "Charles Lenchner" <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:11:34 PM
cool - sry didn't see this On 10/6/2011 3:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: I am taking this on. I will reach out after I talk to them.... :) On Oct 6, 2011 3:25 PM, "Charles Lenchner" <clenchner@gmail.com> wrote:
whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) It would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been around from the get go On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'?
I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:21:19 PM
Does August 16th count? :-) --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:10:32 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) It would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been around from the get go On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I
learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'? I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:33:40 PM
HI i would also like to participate in this, i have been collecting people's names and working group info, i have several pages here. I gave two to someone in internet, no one is getting back to anyone. Seems there is too much work to do and serious gaps in our organization. I tried to add some working groups to the list as well, meeting times, trying to contact group "leaders" or point of contact. Yes i have been around OWS since the get go, but just for clarification--how much is this lack of trust going to be a cover for lack of democratic participation? On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > Does August 16th count? :-) > > --glj > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > ________________________________ > From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> > Sender: september17@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:10:32 -0400 > To: <september17@googlegroups.com> > ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool > whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) It > would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been > around from the get go > > > On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: > > I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. > I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with > minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking > about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is > fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of > salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is > working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say > is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? > Charles > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: >> >> just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first >> launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a >> petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. >> This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens? >> >> >> >> On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands - it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'? I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
I agree that outreach is happening on the ground, but please in all positive constructive energy, i just want to point out there are serious gaps in organization happening to our discredit. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: > HI i would also like to participate in this, i have been collecting > people's names and working group info, i have several pages here. I > gave two to someone in internet, no one is getting back to anyone. > Seems there is too much work to do and serious gaps in our > organization. I tried to add some working groups to the list as well, > meeting times, trying to contact group "leaders" or point of contact. > Yes i have been around OWS since the get go, but just for > clarification--how much is this lack of trust going to be a cover for > lack of democratic participation? > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >> Does August 16th count? :-) >> >> --glj >> >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> ________________________________ >> From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> >> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:10:32 -0400 >> To: <september17@googlegroups.com> >> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool >> whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) It >> would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been >> around from the get go >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: >> >> I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. >> I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with >> minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking >> about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is >> fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of >> salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is >> working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say >> is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? >> Charles >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: >>> >>> just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first >>> launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a >>> petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. >>> This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
no, not a cover at all for demo-process. just trying to guard against saboteurs - people will try to infiltrate n sabotage - no doubt. not that we should be paranoid, just careful
On 10/6/2011 4:33 PM, shaista husain wrote: > HI i would also like to participate in this, i have been collecting > people's names and working group info, i have several pages here. I > gave two to someone in internet, no one is getting back to anyone. > Seems there is too much work to do and serious gaps in our > organization. I tried to add some working groups to the list as well, > meeting times, trying to contact group "leaders" or point of contact. > Yes i have been around OWS since the get go, but just for > clarification--how much is this lack of trust going to be a cover for > lack of democratic participation? > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM,<gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Does August 16th count? :-) >> >> --glj >> >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> ________________________________ >> From: David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> >> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:10:32 -0400 >> To:<september17@googlegroups.com> >> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool >> whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) It >> would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been >> around from the get go >> >> >> On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: >> >> I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. >> I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with >> minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking >> about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is >> fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of >> salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is >> working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say >> is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? >> Charles >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: >>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>
just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
Yes, i agree with you, sorry, i am alluding to more structural problems that emerge from this problem. Not attacking anyone, but there is an information gap that is widening between autonomous groups. I have several articles i can post here that are dismaying:, about the lack of people of color. Being on the ground i am witnessing first hand how lots of great folks are coming in, but finding no way to actively participate and engage in working groups, not because they are not wanted or needed or there is some "white supremacist conspiracy" or "middle class white leadership" invisible to all. i am aware that is completely false, and will not post all those articles here. But seriously need to address structural issues at hand, how to make transparent the fact and reality on the ground, which is the opposite of what these articles reflect. We need to be able to relay information that is happening on the ground more effectively this is not necessarily the fault of the internet teams working tirelessly--or anyone for that matter, its just something we MUST actively negate --when more people of color and immigrants enter a movement it changes the political dynamics. Which is a good thing. We need to enfranchise more folks period.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:41 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > no, not a cover at all for demo-process. just trying to guard against > saboteurs - people will try to infiltrate n sabotage - no doubt. > > not that we should be paranoid, just careful > > > > On 10/6/2011 4:33 PM, shaista husain wrote: >> >> HI i would also like to participate in this, i have been collecting >> people's names and working group info, i have several pages here. I >> gave two to someone in internet, no one is getting back to anyone. >> Seems there is too much work to do and serious gaps in our >> organization. I tried to add some working groups to the list as well, >> meeting times, trying to contact group "leaders" or point of contact. >> Yes i have been around OWS since the get go, but just for >> clarification--how much is this lack of trust going to be a cover for >> lack of democratic participation? >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM,<gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Does August 16th count? :-) >>> >>> --glj >>> >>> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >>> >>> ________________________________
>>> From: David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> >>> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:10:32 -0400 >>> To:<september17@googlegroups.com> >>> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool >>> whoever takes on Salsa / DIA project has to be a 100% trusted 99%er ;-) >>> It >>> would be very dangerous to leave this task to someone who has not been >>> around from the get go >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/2011 3:25 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: >>> >>> I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. >>> I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with >>> minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking >>> about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is >>> fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership >>> of >>> salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is >>> working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we >>> say >>> is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? >>> Charles >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw<David@ampedstatus.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first >>>> launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a >>>> petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other >>>> actions. >>>> This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all... >>>> I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned >>>> something and wanted to get it in the right hands - it's unclear what >>>> that >>>> means! >>>> Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political >>>> groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would >>>> like >>>> to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a >>>> great >>>> tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, >>>> integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to >>>> the >>>> editor, events management, etc. >>>> Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: >>>> which >>>> group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on >>>> behalf >>>> of 'Occupy Wall Street'? >>>> I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > >
didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Elkind, Raphe september17@googlegroups.com; september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:07:14 PM
I'm coming into town for the weekend from Connecticut and would like to participate. Is there anything specific to attend or do we just head to the vicinity of Liberty Park? Please advice. Thanks, Raphe -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Charles Lenchner Sent: Thu 10/6/2011 3:25 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Salsa is offering their CRM tool I passed grimwomyn's email address to the salsa folks. I do wonder about something.... there is an 'internet working group' with minutes posted on the nycga site. I've added comments a few times asking about a crm, etc. I offered to help. No one wrote back to me.... which is fine. My wondering is about which working group would be taking ownership of salsa? And what about the possibility that the internet working group is working on something parallel? Or the media working group? Who could we say is 'representing' OWS in all matters pertaining to CRM usage? Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** just saw this, inbox a mess. We have used Salsa / DIA since they first launched. It would be an excellent tool to create a mailing list and a petition-like way of taking in online votes for demands and other actions. This would be a VITAL tool. who can make sure it happens?
On 10/5/2011 3:40 PM, Charles Lenchner wrote: Hey all... I just joined the list and plan to introduce myself. But I learned something and wanted to get it in the right hands - it's unclear what that means! Salsa is a Constituent Relationship Manager. It is used by political groups and nonprofits on the progressive side of the fence. They would like to offer use if this product to Occupy Wall Street for free. It's a great tool that I'm familiar with - it does email blasting, list building, integrates with fundraising pages, signups, advocacy actions, letters to the editor, events management, etc. Folks might have various opinions about using this. My question is: which group or committee is qualified to make a decision on such a thing on behalf of 'Occupy Wall Street'?
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I beg forgiveness if this was discussed previously - the NYCGA site didn't include any mention of it that I could find, so it seemed a bit like an orphan issue. Thanks in advance, Charles Lenchner www.organizing20.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Sunday Open Forum: 12pm Zizek, 1pm PARECON, 2pm Dom Workers Alliance, 3pm Prison Ind. Complex, 4pm NY TWA, 5pm Oaxaca, 6pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:26:16 PM
posted. 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com>

tomorrow Open Forum teachins @occupywallstreet: Slavoj Zizek 12pm Participatory Economics 1pm Update on the domestic workers alliance movement 2pm Mass Incarceration and the Other 1% 3pm NY Taxi Workers Alliance Speakout 4pm Updates from the Oaxaca Struggle 5pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio 6pm
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Siddattha Gurung september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Sunday Open Forum: 12pm Zizek, 1pm PARECON, 2pm Dom Workers Alliance, 3pm Prison Ind. Complex, 4pm NY TWA, 5pm Oaxaca, 6pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio Saturday, October 08, 2011 4:49:50 PM
is zizek coming to liberty plaza...... On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> wrote: posted. 2011/10/8 Babak K <bkarimi17@gmail.com>
tomorrow Open Forum teachins @occupywallstreet: Slavoj Zizek 12pm Participatory Economics 1pm Update on the domestic workers alliance movement 2pm Mass Incarceration and the Other 1% 3pm NY Taxi Workers Alliance Speakout 4pm Updates from the Oaxaca Struggle 5pm Movement for Justice in El Barrio 6pm
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ryan Green september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Thoughts on increasing participation of People of Color Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:54:54 PM
Great email. Are you on the poc working group? sent from my kikiPCS* phone On Oct 8, 2011 1:38 PM, "Lycophidion" <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: This came out of a discussion under the heading "OWS Analytics": I don't think the issue can be addressed technologically. There are several reasons for this. Mobile technology, in particular, tends to atomize and depersonalize individuals and individual communication. In a way, it pretends there is an even playing field, which socially doesn't exist. Moreover, if you are a white person, most of those with whom you engage will tend to be white, so in the aggregate, you won't really be increasing diversity. Having said that, yes, technology is an important tool and complement for building the movement, generally speaking. The conditions for overcoming this problem (the demographics of OWS) are created, in part, by the very growth of the movement, and its resonance with the aspirations and grievances of the most oppressed communities. But, only in part. As others have pointed out, the history of racism and white privilege in this country puts up enormous barriers to the diversification of the movement. There are real, deeply ingrained and socially institutionalized power relations viz white people and people of color, men and women, etc., in the most progressive of groups (even in personal relationships, friendships, marriages). Any approach that focuses simply on individual participation will not remedy this situation. People are empowered collectively. OWS itself is living testimony to that. So, I would argue that the only way we are going to diversify is through some sort of collective affirmative action, involving face-to-face community organizing and organizational outreach, led by People of Color. That, of course, is a crucial piece for the PoC Working Group. Let me be concrete and point to a good example. I teach intro biology at Medgar Evers College. My students are predominantly African American, Afro-Caribbean and South Asian, mostly women, mostly older working people. During my last two classes, I initiated discussion of OWS. A large number had never even heard of OWS... but, most students generally approved and identified with our goals. During break, a number of students returned to class with copies of the OWS Journal, which someone or ones had been distributing at the Franklin Ave. station. That led to further discussion. And, it turns out that a good
number of these same students are DC 1707 and DC 37 members, which creates openings for outreach efforts by the Labor group. This is a piece of the puzzle. Another piece is proactive efforts by ALL working groups to actively recruit (rather than passively accepting) People of Color into their fold. At the same time, groups and OWS as a whole should proactively engage in what we used to call "leadership development," which involves creating comfort zones within each group, norms of operation that recognize existing power relations, purposefully promoting leadership skills and knowledge, standing back and encouraging initiatives, etc. All guided by the PoC committee. To its great credit, OWS has taken a number of steps along these lines. Much more needs to be done. Much is at stake.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement �We W ill NOT Be CoOpted� Working Group Friday, October 07, 2011 2:27:22 PM
I am of the opinion that there should be many many statements, by as many members of the 99% as possible-- everyone should run their own statement, somewhere among the many many statements, themes will emerge. The statement is the American conversation happening right now-- and it is awesome in every way. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:13 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > no, no, personally speaking i'm def not libertarian or ron paul supporter, > though i consider them part of the 99% and would not personally reject them > w/in the movement. though i know there are strong feeling on that > > if you don't know me, we can talk later if you're at Liberty tonight, > otherwise, here's a report which summed up my thoughts in Feb 2010 ;-) > > http://ampedstatus.org/full-report-the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america/ > > > > On 10/7/2011 2:05 PM, acpollack2@juno.com wrote: > > And yet you appear to be trying to coopt OWS yourselves... > If I have misrepresented your economic views, forgive me, but David you seem > to have Ron Paul-style, right-wing libertarian views concerning a wing of > the financial elite. > Am I wrong about that? > Are you, instead, in favor of unions? Are you in favor of more public jobs, > of more control by working people over the economy? > Please disabuse me of my fears about your platform if I am mistaken. > Andy > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT > Be Co-Opted Working Group > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:56:59 -0400 > > we just posted this, have sent out yet, will be back at park later today to > discuss: > > Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group > > This is not an official statement from the #OWS 99% Movement. As a > decentralized leaderless movement, in our opinion, there is no one group, > organization, website or individual who can speak for the movement as a > whole. We, a working group of people currently occupying Liberty Park and > many other locations throughout the US, are growing increasingly concerned > about divide and conquer attempts being made to co-opt the movement. In the > following message, we are issuing our first proposed statement. ... Read > More >>
> > http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-be-co-opted-working-group/ > > Please give your input >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of David DeGraw september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement �We W ill NOT Be CoOpted� Working Group Friday, October 07, 2011 2:13:47 PM
no, no, personally speaking i'm def not libertarian or ron paul supporter, though i consider them part of the 99% and would not personally reject them w/in the movement. though i know there are strong feeling on that if you don't know me, we can talk later if you're at Liberty tonight, otherwise, here's a report which summed up my thoughts in Feb 2010 ;-) http://ampedstatus.org/full-report-the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-unitedstates-of-america/
On 10/7/2011 2:05 PM, acpollack2@juno.com wrote: And yet you appear to be trying to coopt OWS yourselves... If I have misrepresented your economic views, forgive me, but David you seem to have Ron Paul-style, right-wing libertarian views concerning a wing of the financial elite. Am I wrong about that? Are you, instead, in favor of unions? Are you in favor of more public jobs, of more control by working people over the economy? Please disabuse me of my fears about your platform if I am mistaken. Andy ---------- Original Message ---------From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:56:59 -0400 we just posted this, have sent out yet, will be back at park later today to discuss: Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group
This is not an official statement from the #OWS 99% Movement. As a decentralized leaderless movement, in our opinion, there is no one group, organization, website or individual who can speak for the movement as a whole. We, a working group of people currently occupying Liberty Park and many other locations throughout the US, are growing increasingly concerned about divide and conquer attempts being made to co-opt the movement. In the following message, we are issuing our first proposed statement. ... Read More >> http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-be-co-opted-working-group/ Please give your input
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of acpollack2@juno.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement �We W ill NOT Be CoOpted� Working Group Friday, October 07, 2011 2:06:17 PM
And yet you appear to be trying to coopt OWS yourselves... If I have misrepresented your economic views, forgive me, but David you seem to have Ron Paul-style, right-wing libertarian views concerning a wing of the financial elite. Am I wrong about that? Are you, instead, in favor of unions? Are you in favor of more public jobs, of more control by working people over the economy? Please disabuse me of my fears about your platform if I am mistaken. Andy ---------- Original Message ---------From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:56:59 -0400 we just posted this, have sent out yet, will be back at park later today to discuss: Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group
This is not an official statement from the #OWS 99% Movement. As a decentralized leaderless movement, in our opinion, there is no one group, organization, website or individual who can speak for the movement as a whole. We, a working group of people currently occupying Liberty Park and many other locations throughout the US, are growing increasingly concerned about divide and conquer attempts being made to co-opt the movement. In the following message, we are issuing our first proposed statement. ... Read More >> http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-be-co-opted-working-group/ Please give your input
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group Friday, October 07, 2011 3:11:43 PM
This is really great, i think you have to differentiate between groups who are attempting to "co-opt" this movement. Disempowered people, without leadership are also looking to "co-opt' this movement--not exactly co-opt it, but to find their voice, gain empowerment and claim this movement as their own. This should be encouraged. Perhaps describing how we include people into direct democracy--- that would help. less ranting against, and more speaking to disenfranchised people. Co-option/ Reification by state apparatus 1% and the mainstream media is going to be attempted on all fronts as well as by people within our movement who believe this capitalist democracy can be reformed. Then there is the problem of the revolutionaries who don't believe in reform, they are further split along how this revolution is best waged. There is not going to be consensus on this and there shouldn't be, we have to fight on multi-fronts. The more people of color enter the movement, the less "white middle class" character it will take. The more immigrants enter this movement, the less it will be about maintaining the status quo with small demands for congress to legislate to bring the economy back to middle class equilibrium. So lets keep it open for those who have not yet arrived en masse.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:56 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > we just posted this, have sent out yet, will be back at park later today to > discuss: > > Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement We Will NOT Be Co-Opted Working Group > > This is not an official statement from the #OWS 99% Movement. As a > decentralized leaderless movement, in our opinion, there is no one group, > organization, website or individual who can speak for the movement as a > whole. We, a working group of people currently occupying Liberty Park and > many other locations throughout the US, are growing increasingly concerned > about divide and conquer attempts being made to co-opt the movement. In the > following message, we are issuing our first proposed statement. ... Read > More >> > > http://ampedstatus.org/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-we-will-not-be-co-opted-working-group/ > > Please give your input
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:47:32 AM
See to me the by far most exciting part of this is the possibility that he might come speak. He is a really, really great speaker. Don't take my word for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r1nSyWJ7m0 Oh, and solidarity :-) --glj On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: In a statement released this afternoon supporting the growing Occupy Wall Street movement, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka says: Occupy Wall Street has captured the imagination and passion of millions of Americans who have lost hope that our nations policymakers are speaking for them. We support the protesters in their determination to hold Wall Street accountable and create good jobs. This evening in New York City, union members joined the Occupy Wall Street protestors now in their third week camped in the heart of the financial districtand other activists for a Wall Street march and rally drawing several thousand. Says Trumka: We are proud that today on Wall Street, bus drivers, painters, nurses and utility workers will join students and homeowners, the unemployed and the underemployed to call for fundamental change. With the Occupy Wall Street mobilization gaining steam in cities across the country, Trumka says the labor movement will open our union halls and community centers as well as our arms and our hearts to those with the courage to stand up and demand a better America.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:04:11 AM
Ill write and invite him.

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:47 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: labor-outreach-committee@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss]
See to me the by far most exciting part of this is the possibility that he might come speak. He is a really, really great speaker. Don't take my word for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r1nSyWJ7m0 Oh, and solidarity :-) --glj On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: In a statement released this afternoon supporting the growing Occupy Wall Street movement, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka says: Occupy Wall Street has captured the imagination and passion of millions of Americans who have lost hope that our nations policymakers are speaking for them. We support the protesters in their determination to hold Wall Street accountable and create good jobs. This evening in New York City, union members joined the Occupy Wall Street protestors now in their third week camped in the heart of the financial districtand other activists for a Wall Street march and rally drawing several thousand. Says Trumka: We are proud that today on Wall Street, bus drivers, painters, nurses and utility workers will join students and homeowners, the unemployed and the underemployed to call for fundamental change. With the Occupy Wall Street mobilization gaining steam in cities across the country, Trumka says the labor movement will open our union halls and community centers as well as our arms and our hearts to those with the courage to stand up and demand a better America.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyMyHome Campaign Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:38:07 PM
Lets get the date and go to his house.
On 10/07/11, David DeGraw<David@AmpedStatus.com> wrote: There's a guy i know, Rob Somerton - BofA is about to foreclose on his home, he is threatening to either not leave or bulldoze the house, he's been organizing around this issue for awhile, may be good contact: https://www.facebook.com/RobAnaVsBofA also, biggest foreclosure action network based on LI - forget the guys name, cell is: 516-263-9715
On 10/7/2011 10:23 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. How do we get started? JAM On Oct 7, 2011 10:00 PM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" <ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: Dear Friends: Just read at the enemy's newspaper (Wall Street Journal, ha) that over 600,000- 1 million Americans face foreclosure threats due to the mortgage scam and mass unemployment. Can we launch a campaign called "OccupyMyHome", where we invite people - alongside neighboors and friends in solidarity - to refuse to leave their homes when evicting officers come. To hold their ground, in civil disobedience against a obvious injustice perpetrated by political economic forces that work against the people? This campaign, alongside the "move your money from big banks to credit unions" would deliver a blow to financial institutions and make the powerful listen. On a practical note, it would be awesome if we had programmers who could code a web platform where people at risk of eviction add in their home to a georeferenced map, and through it call on neighboors and friends to hold their ground, camping at their place, and of course, documenting everything. Each day people upload that information, alongside any videos of resistance, to that platform so the world could be in support. Anyone willing to help spread this idea forth, and actualize it? I am computer-coding ignorant, unfortunately! -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
People can't occupy their homes against the sheriff by themselves. There is an organization that helps people do that kind of thing that was on this listserve for a while. Does anyone know who they were and how we can support them?
On 10/07/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I think a simple twitter handle #OccupyHomes coupled with #occupytogether ought to do it.... and what do you think about this? http://occupyhomes.tumblr.com/#me On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho <ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: > Dear Friends: > > Just read at the enemy's newspaper (Wall Street Journal, ha) that over > 600,000- 1 million Americans face foreclosure threats due to the mortgage > scam and mass unemployment. Can we launch a campaign called "OccupyMyHome", > where we invite people - alongside neighboors and friends in solidarity - to > refuse to leave their homes when evicting officers come. To hold their > ground, in civil disobedience against a obvious injustice perpetrated by > political economic forces that work against the people? > > This campaign, alongside the "move your money from big banks to credit > unions" would deliver a blow to financial institutions and make the powerful > listen. > > On a practical note, it would be awesome if we had programmers who could > code a web platform where people at risk of eviction add in their home to a > georeferenced map, and through it call on neighboors and friends to hold > their ground, camping at their place, and of course, documenting > everything. Each day people upload that information, alongside any videos > of resistance, to that platform so the world could be in support. > > Anyone willing to help spread this idea forth, and actualize it? I am > computer-coding ignorant, unfortunately! > > -> Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH > 2009 Reynolds Fellow > mobile +1 914 563 4209 > home +1 914 633 0415 > www.nyu.edu/reynolds >
Go to the website. Click on eveictions watch. And sign up to help. Promote this at the park, the Welcome Tables and the GA so that we can make this a real pain for the banks.
On 10/07/11, Lucas Vazquez<lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: If you're interested in anti-eviction campaigns you should look at the organization called O4O (organize for occupation) who recently blocked the eviction of an woman called Mary Ward from her home in Bed-Study, Brooklyn On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:41 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: then send on at will-- lets do it! Here is a tweet to promote it: Not in NYC 2 #occupywallstreet ? #ows How abt #occupyhomes ? Find a house that needs a bit 'o love: http://occupyhomes.tumblr.com/ #occupytogether On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:25 PM, acpollack2@juno.com <acpollack2@juno.com> wrote: > this is a BRILLIANT idea! It builds on recent anti-eviction actions (one in > Brooklyn led by Black community groups a couple months ago, sorry I forget > the elderly woman's name, another more recent one I believe in CA, and > others). > And the social media overlay proposed is a great organizing tool! > ps I forget which list I saw it on but there are three antiforeclosure > auctions organized by a community group I believe next week. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------> From: David DeGraw <David@AmpedStatus.com> > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] #OccupyMyHome Campaign > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:07:38 -0400 > > There's a guy i know, Rob Somerton - BofA is about to foreclose on his home, > he is threatening to either not leave or bulldoze the house, he's been > organizing around this issue for awhile, may be good contact: > > https://www.facebook.com/RobAnaVsBofA > > also, biggest foreclosure action network based on LI - forget the guys name, > cell is: 516-263-9715 > > > On 10/7/2011 10:23 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote: > > This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. How do we get started? > > JAM >
> On Oct 7, 2011 10:00 PM, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" > <ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: >> >> Dear Friends: >> >> Just read at the enemy's newspaper (Wall Street Journal, ha) that over >> 600,000- 1 million Americans face foreclosure threats due to the mortgage >> scam and mass unemployment. Can we launch a campaign called "OccupyMyHome", >> where we invite people - alongside neighboors and friends in solidarity - to >> refuse to leave their homes when evicting officers come. To hold their >> ground, in civil disobedience against a obvious injustice perpetrated by >> political economic forces that work against the people? >> >> This campaign, alongside the "move your money from big banks to credit >> unions" would deliver a blow to financial institutions and make the powerful >> listen. >> >> On a practical note, it would be awesome if we had programmers who could >> code a web platform where people at risk of eviction add in their home to a >> georeferenced map, and through it call on neighboors and friends to hold >> their ground, camping at their place, and of course, documenting >> everything. Each day people upload that information, alongside any videos >> of resistance, to that platform so the world could be in support. >> >> Anyone willing to help spread this idea forth, and actualize it? I am >> computer-coding ignorant, unfortunately! >> >> ->> Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH >> 2009 Reynolds Fellow >> mobile +1 914 563 4209 >> home +1 914 633 0415 >> www.nyu.edu/reynolds > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 6:15:43 PM
I am not against baby steps, but the fact that Obama's big selling poit on the jobs act started with the fact that Republicans have supported most of the provisions was a good clue of how effective it would be in creating jobs.
On 10/06/11, Robert Christ<rjc53@cornell.edu> wrote: The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we endorse. No Demands. No Endorsements. Not Yet. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: please, please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off. CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-)
On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM, bf0189@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize) Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform. On , Charles <chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > > > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in > > its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this country.
Sincerely,
Charles Reinhardt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of bf0189@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] American Jobs Act Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:59:01 PM
Agreed I have nothing endorsing actual legislation that get rid of the root of the crisis such as universal health care, glass-steagall..etc On , David DeGraw <David@ampedstatus.com> wrote: > > > > > > > for what its worth, agree w/ Robert here. But, when it comes to > specific legislation, i do think glass-steagall could be endorsed "as a > first step." It is a demand that we can achieve and it shows we know > our shit > > > > > > On 10/6/2011 12:03 PM, Robert Christ wrote: > The moment we endorse any politician, or any piece of > legislation, the media will latch on to that as our one demand. At > that point, they will have no need to cover us specifically, > whatsoever, and can spend their time discrediting our movement by > filming their talking heads "discussing" whatever or whomever we > endorse. > > > > No Demands. > > No Endorsements. > > Not Yet. > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David > DeGraw David@ampedstatus.com> > wrote: > > please, > please do not endorse the Jobs Act. Highly problematic legislation. > plus we cannot be seen as supporting Obama or partisan in any way, we > facture the whole 99% concept in my opinion. > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
the Press con Obama's is giving right now is the best one I seen in years. Lots of OWS questions. They asked why he never prosecuted WS execs. Lots of talk about the American people having every right to be pissed off.
CONGRATS EVERYONE!!! WINNING! ;-)
On 10/6/2011 11:56 AM, bf0189@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as a heavy bastardization of German's unemployment system (and will be more bastardized once it reaches Obama to sign and finalize)
Putting a small band-aid over a wound won't fix anything. We need real reform.
On , Charles chcreinhardt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > > > > A thought just occurred to me. I haven't heard much about this yet, > > but do you think that OWS might do itself a service by endorsing, at > > least as one of many goals, the passage of the American Jobs Act in >
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> its entirety, or even an expansion of its policies (and perhaps a > > reduction in the ratio of tax cuts composing it)? It has been accepted > > as a foregone conclusion by the entire American mainstream > > commentariat that Obama's jobs bill will be absolutely eviscerated or > > at least highly attenuated by the corrupt legislatures in this > > country. > > > > What if we tried to draw more attention to the legislative battle of > > the AJA as a pillar of our emerging program (in addition to legal and > > anti-trust action against the banks and tax reform, etc)? That way the > > movement can shed light on the very obstacles to the bill's passage or > > enhancement, which will serve to illuminate the architecture of
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> > corruption in our legislative process. That way, the bought off > > Democrats and Republicans can be named and shamed with the enhanced > > lens of this movement. Furthermore, the limited scope of the bill > > itself can serve as grounds for further criticism of the White House > > approach. > > > > I'm sure this has been suggested before, and I understand that there > > are caveats to our involvement in the political process but I want to > > know what the status of the current dialogue is about this course of > > action or line of thinking. > > > > Sincerely, >
> >> > >> > > > Charles Reinhardt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Community Relationships Committee Friday, October 07, 2011 6:48:53 PM
One day of peace might get a lot of good will from the neighboors.
On 10/07/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I am personally opposed to that idea, as my perception from the cb meeting was that it was one very vocal man's request that was then co opted by many residents who just want blanket quiet and are using the holiday as a rationale for that. Perhaps we can ask for no drumming tonight and tomorrow night after 7pm out of respect for the holday. We are hosting a yom kippur service at 7pm tonight, In parallel w ga, as fR as I understand. I've also heard there is ga in Washington sq park tomorrow, is that true? Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: > We should do a temp check or take a vote from people at OWS BEFORE > tonight to see if we can come to agreement to postpone GA and any > people's mic activities until tomorrow night... Out of respect for the > resident's request. Should start polling people there asap! Before > sundown! > > On 10/6/11, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We, the Community Relations Committee, wants to be super-transparent with >> the GA as a whole, especially as our conversations deepen with Community >> Board 1. We now know that they are in close communication with NYPD, >> Brookfield and Mayor's Office, at the highest levels. That makes the work of >> this committee very relevant to media, legal and more committees. >> >> Here's a link to the notes taken by my friend Naomi who joined me at >> yesterday's CB1 Finance District Committee mtg: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U8OGcb9iSqaaoSuFDUrjz-sM5UOSVuEUPI-uqOIdWbY/edit?hl=en_US >> >> I'd like to speak with someone from legal tonight after the GA when I give >> my report-back from this meeting. >> >> Again, want to make sure that I'm not becoming a bottle-neck for this >> process, nor that I'm becoming an official liason with NYPD/Brookfield/Mayor >> thru this committee's dialogue w/ CB1. >> >> In solidarity, >> >> Justin >> > > -> Sent from my mobile device
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:29:11 PM cookiemonster.jpg
How's this for diversity? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the visual art ability of a two-yearold, otherwise i'd practice what I preached myself.
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS muddle-headed and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, many, many, many more... On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization so we claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim?
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are invited.
On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i am just giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate that further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's please please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong polemic with some people of color who were complaining about young white protesters who wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were complaining that immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put people of color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police are attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous white youth who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the fuck up. Thanks, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of
representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing students in Norway has ushered in the neo-fascist hatred for white people who stand in arms with people of color and immigrants. All of you white comrades in this movement stand together with historically oppressed people as brothers and sisters. Please take this seriously in love and comradeship, we need to protect each other. Our language needs to reflect this on every level. We need to be politically savvy inclusive and sophisticated. Thank you, Shaista
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Some more people of color "speaking for this movement" in the media team--you know who go out to mainstream media, also would not hurt us. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Can you put some dreadlocks on her, does every female the represents this movement have to be visibly white? Perhaps just one poster with illustrating some sensitivity to people of color who make up the majority of THIS CITY???? This movement is not all white people and if there is NO leadership, then it becomes important to be sensitive about images of individuals who come to signify the movement as a whole. PERHAPS and now im begging you comrades, its so real it fucking hurts, can we get some people of color visibility.. ATLEAST ONE poster that reflects this? I bet you it will be so celebrated!!! Perhaps an indigenous woman? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE> folks.. Thanks!!! On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: It's fantastic and uplifting! I ended a morbid blogpost with it, here...http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/catastrophe-map-saysgoodbye-to.html
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: this would be an awesome sticker as well!
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Eric Drooker <mail@drooker.com> Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:40 PM Subject: Occupy Wall Street . . . To: Eric Drooker <hi@drooker.com>
--PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY-Friends & Fellow Occupiers, To help our powerful, new Occupy Movement spread to other cites, I've created a powerful new poster (attached). Please help circulate this poster image (e-mail, facebook, twitter, print, etc.), and help build momentum in the streets! Now is our time. Thank you, - Eric P.S. And please pass along this URL, where people can downed hi-res versions of the new posters in many languages: www.GStrike.org
-Rob Hollander Lower East Side Residents for Responsible Development http://savethelowereastside.blogspot.com/ 622 E 11, #10 NYC, 10009 212-228-6152
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Occupy Wall Street Poster Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:36:20 PM
Might a call be put out for artists of color to get more diverse, multicultural representations out there? Or to all artists to get specifically non-white people representing this movement? I have the visual art ability of a two-yearold, otherwise i'd practice what I preached myself.
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM, rob hollander <lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Even the ballerina served well, too -- it was praised in one of the first serious articles on OWS when most media were calling OWS muddle-headed and naive. The image and text implied something new and smart. So, yes, many, many, many more... On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:40 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hopefully there will be many many many many many many images and posters that circulate-- that is the point, right? On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes you are right 100% no stereotypes--so why do we always need one woman or one individual for a poster? we are leaderless organization so we claim why are we establishing icons that do not reflect this claim?
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Becareful with native Amercan or other ethnic/racial cliches. Just add an obvious mix of people so that it is obcious that all are invited.
On 10/07/11, shaista husain<shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, she did look indigenous, but perhaps we can add another signifier to make sure there is no confusion--perhaps a feather (i am just giving an example) or some other blatant signifier will illustrate that further. We are multicultural. Please in all we do and say, let's please please be inclusive--love each other-- i did make a very strong polemic with some people of color who were complaining about young white protesters who wanted to fight the police, and these people of color were complaining that immigrants and folks can't always do that and its dangerous to put people of color in that kind of situation. But i told them, when the police are attacking us, as they are wont to do, its those same courageous white youth who will put their bodies in between you and the police. So shut the fuck up. Thanks, Shaista On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Thadeaus <thadeaus@gmail.com> wrote: I totally agree. and think we all need to be very aware of what kind of face(s) we put forward to represent this movement and attract new supporters. I noticed an otherwise wonderful tri-paneled hand out that welcomed people to the occupied space had a number of illustrations but only of yuppie looking seemingly white people. I think this was meant as satire of vacation brochures, but even so companies that seek diverse customers have been incorporating people of color into their promo materials for years now. As for the image in the poster in question: I am pretty sure that it was originally a panel in Eric Drooker's wordless graphic novel Blood Song. It's a amazing and beautiful book. The main character of the book and who is pictured in the poster is I think of South-East Asian origin. The art was not created to represent our protest. heart Thadeaus
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Well I prefer to be behind the camera, but i can help in addressing this issue.. thank you
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed with Shaista. Let's move as far away from the ballerina poster that a lot of us had issues with way back when. Matt
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:44 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: A huge backlash is coming against this movement by those powerful people of color minorities who have been protesting their whole lives, that this movement is white and middle class. It is important to us that is is not ALWAYS represented that way, taking issues of representation in our "official" campaigns, a little sensitivity to diversity is what demarcates us clearly from RIGHT WING movement that is also against Wall St.--we are multicultural ----that has to be emphasized always, as you know the IDF across britain, the islamophobes all the racist haters are also up in arms against wall street. What differentiates us is our MULTICULTURALISM. Breivnik by killing

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