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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:58:55 PM
Goals/demands/visions are all the same thing, it is a program, a collective consciousness and raison d'etre, some basic agreements of good faith between ourselves--there is much to celebrate here, unity is success. Now, this collective consciousness is not fixed but in transformation. We need NOT be afraid of demands/goals/visions/program, as we have already accomplished a major democratic feat : we have established that it will be a LIVING DOCUMENT; that it can by modified in time, elaborated upon, examined, clarified and worked out according to lessons collectively learned. We should begin to take ourselves in good faith and put forth a basic agenda, demands, etc, whatever we decide how little or how much, even if that is just posing certain questions to the media to the world, to address the public audience---our goal is to increase our base and support in the public, ie. grow in number--which we must do through our outreach. With this purpose in mind, using our own instruments of dissemination, we are quite capable of conveying tools of empowerment to the public at large--our success lies not only internal dialogue and diversity, but in our public support and its growth and further transformation.... open ended platform. One thing to always keep in mind, that is currently missing in our day to day program, is a sober examination of the international GA's, their lessons and their successes. We must stand together with international occupations, not only do they give us valuable tools, but also inform us on economic models for consideration. These alliances increase our constituency exponentially on a global level and also correct us from playing into american chauvinism, something that we all take for granted. WE MUST STAND in solidarity with global protest movements in the world. We are not alone. We need to address our economy in context of demands emerging from other occupations as well as our domestic crisis. This is what WALL STREET and the US WAR machine completely fails to do. This is where our goals and demands not only become meaningful on a national level, but in solidarity with other GAs we find that our solutions are not only really possible, completely feasible and rational, but they are in harmony with a future that must come to pass on this planet. One of the main goals of forming a working group on Economy and Global Democracy would be to ally ourselves and build bridges with other other occupations, exchange notes, present this to the body, also good tidings of victory as well as lessons mistakes crisis, we have 90 cities in the US to also ally ourselves with. All news of our brothers and sisters fighting under more austere more violent, more life and death situations so courageously, this gives us more power and legitimacy than any newspaper in the world. Let us reverberate globally in outrage and welcome all protest, reclaim our place in the world that has been hijacked by greedy warmongers, imperialists, who neither represent us nor profit us in any way and destroy movements for progress and democracy all across the earth. We are global democratic citizens. This is a global movement. Peace and Love, Shaista On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I am for elaborating collective discourse, but perhaps better in terms of general GOALS rather than demands. Demads are naive at this point, to put it shoftly.
This is not incompatible with strategic actions that may achieve short term victories. Due to our location I think we should provide our view of the economic facts, and prioritize our actions toward short term and long term solutions. Regarding the elaboration of collective discourse, perhaps we should try some form of open source or similar wiki-process that would facilitate multiple contributions from diverse viewpoints. Cesar Sent from phone
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Matthew Taibbi <m_taibbi@yahoo.com> wrote: I disagree with the notion that there shouldn't be demands. I think there should be a few simple ones. It's not a MSM conspiracy when the press wonders what the movement wants or who is leading it. I think there are a lot of people in the press and even on Wall Street who are ready to support the movement wholeheartedly, if it could articulate some specifics. If OWS could identify a few basic problems -- over-concentration of capital, regulatory capture, overweening influence of money on politics, excess financialization of the economy, tax unfairness, etc -- and propose some first-step solutions to all of those things (break up the banks, force bailout recipients to give up lobbying, end the carried interest and capital gains exemptions as Michael points out, etc), you'd have more allies, you'd be educating the public about a subject that it has a tough time getting real information about through normal media, and it would prevent the other side of the debate from being able to define the movement in their own (inevitably unflattering) terms. The only thing preventing millions of people from going out onto the streets on their own is that they don't understand how Wall Street works or what it does. That to me is why the movement needs to be specific. It has a responsibility to explain these problems to the general public and to show that solutions do exist and that they're attainable. People I think need more than just the knowledge that they can protest -- they need to believe that they can fix things and that someone out there has the answers. And a lot of the people on this email list do have the answers and could provide that leadership that is so desperately needed.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Dylan Ratigan <dylanratigan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 To: "Yves Smith" <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> Cc: "Michael Hudson" <michael.hudson@earthlink.net>, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu>, "David DeGraw" <AmpedStatus@ampedstatus.com>, "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com>, "yotam.marom@gmail.com" <yotam.marom@gmail.com>, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com>, "vlad@glassbeadcollective.com" <vlad@glassbeadcollective.com>, "dissector@mediachannel.org" <dissector@mediachannel.org>, "Nomi" <nomi@nomiprins.com>, "Michael" <mh@michaelhudson.com>, "Mike Papantonio" <MPapantonio@levinlaw.com>, "Michael Krieger" <michael@kamlp.com>, "George Washington" <georgewashington.911blogger@gmail.com>, "Tyler Durden" <tyler@zerohedge.org>, "ellenhbrown@gmail.com" <ellenhbrown@gmail.com>, "Karl" <karl@denninger.net>, "Barry" <thebigpicture@optonline.net>, "Kevin Zeese" <kbzeese@gmail.com>, "max" <maxkeiser@gmail.com>, "Matt" <M_TAIBBI@yahoo.com>, "Simon" <baselinescenario@gmail.com>, "Zach" <carter.zach@gmail.com>, "David Cay Johnston" <dcjohn01@law.syr.edu>, "Bill Laggner" <laggner@bearingasset.com>, "Paul" <paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com>, "Noam Chomsky" <chomsky@mit.edu>, "Moyers, Bill" <moyersb@moyersmedia.com>, "ggreenwald@salon.com" <ggreenwald@salon.com>, "glen.ford@blackagendareport.com" <glen.ford@blackagendareport.com>, "oftwomindz@comcast.net" <oftwomindz@comcast.net> Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 9:17 AM I agree with Yves entirely. The focus on simple shared principle and intent to align with all who agree with that principle is a unique strength. Learning, teaching and growing. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Yves Smith <yves@nakedcapitalism.com> wrote: I disagree strongly with the idea of any demands now. The number participating are far too small for the effort to have any bargaining leverage or to be perceived to represent anyone. What is hugely disconcerting to the MSM and the officialdom is the lack of demands and the lack of easy to identify leadership These need to be understood as strengths, not weaknesses. The labor union movement was over time completely discredited because the leadership was quickly corrupted and sold out the membership.
The "We are the 99%" is a VERY powerful message. It basically says "We don't need to negotiate. This is our country and we want it back from the top 1% which has been selling us out." The 1% know damned well what the 99% want. If you forced any 10 in the top 1% of them to make a list of 10 things they thought the other 99% wanted, I guarantee you'd have no more than 16 real issues (at most) among the 100 answers you'd get in total. And I strongly suspect the 99% would agree or at most restate them. They are MUCH better off making a general statement along the "We Are 99%" that holds their ground, and makes clear that their first priority is establishing their presence, building a critical mass and representation around the US. There should be a clever way of throwing the demand for demands back on the media: "It has taken years to create this mess, the public has been sold on the idea that it is powerless. Our first aim is to convey that the bottom 99% doesn't merely have the right to a seat at the table, it should not have to negotiate with the top 1% because the elites depend on our acquiescence and support for their very survival." There has to be a nice way to say that, but I would brush off the demand and make it clear that organization/membership building and (I hate to use that tired 60s term, but it fits) consciousness raising are the first priorities. The more the numbers swell, the more power this effort has. Issuing demands is not on the critical path right now and has the potential to deter people from joining. The broader public understands damned well what the aims are even if the elites and their media lapdogs are playing stupid. On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > I suggest putting a specific POLICY DEMAND. > How about "Bankruptcy legislation to free people without jobs from > student loan debt." > Or more accurately: "Tax capital gains as high as wages." > "Remove the tax deductibility of debt." > "A Public Option for Credit Cards -- lower the rates and penalties." > Michael Hudson > > > On 10/3/11 3:37 PM, "Black, William" <blackw@umkc.edu> wrote: > >> I would recommend adding/substituting something along these lines. If we're >> going to raise the subject of "fraud" we need to give some of the supporting
>> facts. >> >> The systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) are inaccurately called "too >> big to fail" banks. The administration calls them "systemically important," >> and acts as if they deserve a gold star. The ugly truth, however, is what >> Wall Street and each administration screams when the SDIs get in trouble. >> They warn us that if a single SDI fails it will cause a global financial >> crisis. There are roughly 20 U.S. SDIs and about the same number abroad. >> That means that we roll the dice 40 times a day to see which SDI will blow up >> next and drag the world economy into crisis. Economists agree that the SDIs >> are so large that they are grotesquely inefficient. In "good times," >> therefore, they harm our economy. It is insane not to shrink the SDIs to the >> point that they no longer hold the global economy hostage. The ability -- and >> willingness -- of the CEOs that control SDIs to hold our economy hostage makes >> the SDIs too big to regulate and prosecute. It also allows them to extort, >> dominate, and degrade our democracies. The SDIs pose a clear and present >> danger to the U.S. and the world. >> >> It takes a global effort against the SDIs because they constantly put nations >> in competition with each other in order to generate a "race to the bottom." >> We are always being warned that if the U.S. adopts even minimal regulation of >> its SDIs they will flee to the City of London or be unable to compete with >> Germany's "universal" banks. The result of the race to the bottom, however, >> as Ireland, Iceland, the UK, and U.S. all experienced is that we create >> intensely criminogenic environment that creates epidemics of "control fraud." >> Control fraud -- frauds led by CEOs who use seemingly legitimate entities as >> "weapons" to defraud -- cause greater financial losses than all other forms of >> property crime -- combined. Because of the political power of the SDIs and >> the destruction of effective regulation these fraudulent
SDIs now commit >> endemic fraud with impunity. >> >> Effective financial regulation is essential if markets are to work. >> Regulators have to serve as the "cops on the beat" to keep the fraudsters from >> gaining a competitive advantage over honest firms. George Akerlof, the >> economist who identified and labeled this perverse ("Gresham's") dynamic was >> awarded the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his insight about how control fraud makes >> market forces perverse. >> >> [D]ishonest dealings tend to drive honest dealings out of the market. The >> cost of dishonesty, therefore, lies not only in the amount by which the >> purchaser is cheated; the cost also must include the loss incurred from >> driving legitimate business out of existence. George Akerlof (1970). >> >> One of the most perceptive observers of humanity recognized this same dynamic >> two centuries before Akerlof. >> >> "The Lilliputians look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft. For, they >> allege, care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, can protect a >> mans goods from thieves, but honesty hath no fence against superior cunning. >> . . where fraud is permitted or connived at, or hath no law to punish it, the >> honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage." Swift, J. >> Gullivers Travels >> >> We are the allies of honest banks and bankers. We are their essential allies, >> for only effective regulation permits them to exist and prosper. Think of >> what would happen to banks if we took the regular cops off the beat and >> stopped prosecuting bank robbers. That's what happens when we take the >> regulatory cops off the beat. The only difference is that it is the >> controlling officers who loot the bank in the absence of the regulatory cops >> on the beat. It is the anti-regulators who are the enemy
of honest banks and >> bankers. >> >> Top criminologists, effective financial regulators, and Nobel Laureates in >> economics have confirmed that epidemics of control fraud, such as the FBI >> warned of in September 2004, can cause financial bubbles to hyper-inflate and >> drive catastrophic financial crises. Indeed, the FBI predicted in September >> 2004 that the developing "epidemic" of mortgage fraud would cause a financial >> "crisis" if it were not stopped. It grew massively after 2004. The >> fraudulent SDIs (who were far broader than Fannie and Freddie, indeed, they >> only began to dominate the secondary market in sales of fraudulent loans after >> 2005) ignored the FBI and industry fraud warnings for the most obvious of >> reasons -- they were leaders the frauds. The ongoing U.S. crisis was driven >> overwhelmingly by fraudulent "liar's" loans. Studies have shown that the >> incidence of fraud in liar's loans is 90% (MBA/MARI 2006) and that by 2006 >> roughly one-third of all mortgage loans were liar's loans (Credit Suisse >> 2007). Rajdeep Sengupta, an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. >> Louis, reported in 2010 in an article entitled Alt-A: The Forgotten Segment >> of the Mortgage Market that: >> >> "[B]etween 2003 and 2006 subprime and Alt-A [loans grew] 94 and 340 percent, >> respectively. The higher levels of originations after 2003 were largely >> sustained by the growth of the nonprime (both the subprime and Alt-A) segment >> of the mortgage market." >> >> Sengupta's data greatly understate the role of Alt-A loans (the euphemism >> for liars loans) for they ignore the fact that by 2006 half of the loans >> called subprime were also liars loans (Credit Suisse: 2007). It was the >> massive growth in fraudulent liars loans that hyperinflated and greatly >> extended the life of the bubble, producing the Great Recession. The growth of
>> fraudulent loans rapidly increased, rather than decreased, after government >> and industry anti-fraud specialists warned that liar's loans were endemically >> fraudulent. No one in the government ever told a bank that it had to make or >> purchase a "liar's" loan. No honest mortgage lender would make liar's loans >> because doing so must cause severe losses. Criminologists, economists aware >> of the relevant criminological and economics literature on control fraud, and >> a host of investigations have confirmed the endemic nature of control fraud in >> the ongoing U.S. crisis. >> >> But the banking elites that led these frauds have been able to do so with >> impunity from prosecution. Take on federal agency, the Office of Thrift >> Supervision (OTS). During the S&L debacle, the OTS made well over 10,000 >> criminal referrals and made the removal of control frauds from the industry >> and their prosecution its top two priorities. The agency's support and the >> provision of 1000 FBI agents to investigate the cases led to the felony >> conviction of over 1,000 S&L frauds. The bulk of those convictions came from >> the "Top 100" list that OTS and the FBI created to prioritize the >> investigation of the worst failed S&Ls. In the ongoing crisis -- which caused >> losses 40 times larger than the S&L debacle, the OTS made zero criminal >> referrals, the FBI (as recently as FY 2007) assigned only 120 agents >> nationally to respond to the well over one million cases of mortgage fraud >> that occurred annually, and the OTS' non-effort produced no convictions of any >> S&L control frauds. OTS' sister agencies, the Fed and the OCC, have the same >> record of not even attempting to identify and prosecute the frauds. The FDIC >> was better, but still only a shadow of what it was in fighting fraud in the >> early 1990s. If control frauds can operate with impunity from criminal >> prosecutions, then the perverse Gresham's dynamic is maximized and market >> forces will increasingly drive honest banks and firms from
the marketplace. >> >> The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported on the results of the Great >> Recession that was driven by this fraud epidemic: >> >> "As this report goes to print, there are more than 26 million Americans who >> are out of work, cannot find full-time work, or have given up looking for >> work. About >> four million families have lost their homes to foreclosure and another four >> and a half million have slipped into the foreclosure process or are seriously >> behind on their >> mortgage payments. Nearly $11 trillion in household wealth has vanished, with >> retirement accounts and life savings swept away. Businesses, large and small, >> have felt the sting of a deep recession." >> >> It is the fraudulent SDIs that are the massive job killers and wealth >> destroyers. It is the Great Recession that the fraudulent SDIs produced that >> caused most of the growth in the federal deficits and made the fiscal crises >> in our states and localities acute. The senior officers that led the control >> frauds are the opposite of the "productive class." No one, without the aid of >> an army, has ever destroyed more wealth and dreams than the control frauds. >> It is past to hold them accountable, to help their victims recover, and to end >> their ongoing frauds and corruption that have crippled our economy, our >> democracy, and our nation. jj >> >> Best, >> Bill Black >> ________________________________________ >> From: David DeGraw [AmpedStatus@AmpedStatus.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:33 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com; yotam.marom@gmail.com; Winter Siroco; >> vlad@glassbeadcollective.com; dissector@mediachannel.org; >> dylanratigan@gmail.com; Nomi; Black, William; yves@nakedcapitalism.com; >> Michael; Mike Papantonio; Michael Krieger; George Washington; Tyler Durden;
>> ellenhbrown@gmail.com; Karl; Barry; Kevin Zeese; max; Matt; Simon; Zach; David >> Cay Johnston; Bill Laggner; Paul; Noam Chomsky; Moyers, Bill; >> ggreenwald@salon.com; glen.ford@blackagendareport.com; oftwomindz@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 >> >> here it is w/ Dylan's suggested revisions, the ending needs smoothing out, >> let's see if we can finalize something tonight in GA flooded w/ calls rght >> now, will be on NBC w/ Brian William tonight >> >> STATEMENT: >> >> we are publishing this statement in response to misinformation being spread >> throughout some media outlets, we would like to issue the statement below to >> give some clarification as to why we are currently occupying Wall Street: >> >> Now let us make something clear to our fellow American citizens. We - old, >> young, rich, poor, middle class, black, white, blue, red, hippies, >> conservatives, liberals, soldiers, teachers, lawyers, doctors, firefighters, >> and yes, police officers - the people occupying Wall Street, are not against >> rich people for being rich, as various corporate media outlets are attempting >> to make you think we are. We believe wealth should be a byproduct of working >> together to solve our problems with aligned interests. To clarify, what we are >> fighting against are the people, politicians and corporations who are >> responsible for trillions of dollars in fraud. We are fighting a political >> system that has been hijacked and rigged against hardworking Americans by the >> global financial elite. We are rebelling against economic tyranny. We are >> defending the United States against an occupying global financial oligarchy. >> >> Our families have endured financial oppression for long enough. >> >> We are here to defend the people of the United Sates.
America has been >> invaded and is currently occupied by global banks that have systematically >> looted our economy and destroyed our economic future. Through a system of >> political bribery - campaign finance, lobbying and the revolving door between >> Washington and Wall Street the global financial elite have bought off our >> politicians and now dominate our political process. >> >> So-called too big to fail financial companies, such as Goldman Sachs, JP >> Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Citigroup are responsible for trillions of >> dollars in fraudulent activity. As their global derivative Ponzi scheme began >> to crash, these global corporations got paid off politicians and the Federal >> Reserve to give them over $20 trillion dollars in taxpayer money and >> subsidies. After these global banks crashed our economy and took trillions of >> dollars of our national wealth, which saved their insolvent companies from >> going out of business, they turned around and had the audacity to give >> themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> They used our tax dollars to give themselves all-time recording-breaking >> bonuses. >> >> At a time of national crisis, with calls for shared sacrifice, they used our >> tax dollars to give themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses. >> >> As a result of their actions, our country has been economically attacked. The >> statistics speak for themselves. >> >> According to the National Academy of Sciences, we have over 50 million >> Americans living in poverty. This shocking number of American families >> currently living in poverty is at an all-time high. Over 50 million Americans >> are also without health care. 46 million Americans are relying on food stamps >> to feed their families. Over 64 million Americans have zero or negative net >> worth. Over 200 million Americans are living paycheck to
paycheck desperately >> struggling to make ends meet as they are buried in debt. As this dire >> situation grows even more severe, the global financial elite are richer than >> ever. Over the course of the past generation, they have consolidated wealth >> in unprecedented fashion. We currently have the highest inequality of wealth >> in American history. Not even the Robber Barons were as bad as the modern day >> economic elite. >> >> In the US, millionaire households currently have over $46 trillion in wealth. >> On an annual basis, only one-tenth of one percent of the US population makes >> over $1 million per year. Breaking it down even further, 400 American >> billionaires currently have as much wealth as 154 million Americans. These >> 400 people have as much wealth as half of the entire US population. >> >> As we said before, we are not against rich people for being rich. We believe >> wealth should be a byproduct of working together to solve our problems with >> aligned interests. >> >> Our families and our country have endured financial oppression for long >> enough. >> >> Please join us or organize an action of your own. Anything you are willing to >> do to rebel against economic tyranny in a non-violent manner is welcome. >> >> >> > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Dale Luce september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Please add labor outreach working group mtg to tmrw"s OWS site calendar Monday, October 03, 2011 3:28:51 AM
Hey Id like to help keep the calendar up to date, i could take notes at ga, then update it. Thanks for all they great work everyone is doing! 2011/10/2 Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> Added to the calendar. Please forgive us for not being as hasty recently updating the calendar. I just got back to NYC and will be working on moving the site to our new server all night :D Anyone on this list who wants permissions to modify the calendar, just let me know. 2011/10/2 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hello, The OWS labor outreach working group is meeting tomorrow at 6pm under the big red sculpture. Will someone with admin capacities please add this to the OWS and NYCGA sites? Also, when can we get an updated OWS home page that briefly shows yesterday's arrest figures and key articles, but also importantly highlights this mega-march on Wednesday? No disrespect, but we need to tighten our online updates so more folks can get activated! -Conor
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and forward it to any press you are in contact with On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > As a safety I suggest everyone download a copy of it. > > On Oct 2, 9:51 am, Winter Siroco <wintersir...@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fockzr7rXys >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Vicente Rubio <vrubi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/02/1022016/-New-York-Times-chan...
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of bf0189@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Start a legal fund for arrestees? Sunday, October 02, 2011 5:55:23 PM
Excellent idea. On , Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > That's $300-600 for the 3 tickets combined, not for each ticket. With 700 arrested, that's $21K to $42K, plus 80 arrested the week before, which could be anywhere from $8K up, depending on how many tickets were given. That's a lot of money but doable given the results of previous fundraising, especially stretched out over two and a half months to raise the money. > > > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Doug Singsen dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Can we start one? I think that everybody who was arrested got at least 3 tickets, which could easily run $300-600 each, which many of us can't afford. Can we start a legal defense fund to pay for these fines? We have been able to raise money so quickly, I think we could raise the entire amount before our desk appearances in December. > > > > > Doug S > > > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:32:01 PM
UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> wrote: Great how show of support from UNAC On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > BTW, this is marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan, > which is also the start date for the October2011 occupation in Washington, > DC, which starts on Thursday. The NYC march was moved back a week from the > anniversary date so it wouldn't conflict with the DC occupation. > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It was originally going to be targeted at 3 embassies in Midtown, but the >> United National Antiwar Committee (UNAC) voted to move it downtown. >> >> Wall Street Is War Street >> >> On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan >> >> NO to Endless WARS! >> >> Sat. OCT. 15, >> >> Noon Rally at Wall Street >> >> March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment >> >> Liberty & Broadway >> >> >> >> Oct. 15 is a day of nationally coordinated antiwar actions in cities >> across the U.S., the 10th anniversary of the massively destructive and >> criminal U.S. war on Afghanistan. >> >> >> >> When the U.S. government began its attack on Afghanistan 10 years ago, >> President Bush called it a war on terror. It was followed by 8 years of >> U.S. war Iraq and now war in Libya and drone wars on Pakistan, Yemen, >> Somalia and Sudan under Pres. Obama. These are all wars for oil, resources >> and markets in the interests of corporate power. >> >> At the same time, the U.S. government is carrying out attacks on working
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> NY >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
people within the U.S., cutting back on health care and education while bailing out the Wall St. banks and insurance companies. Every time people call for money for social services, we are told there is no money, but the government always finds money for its wars. It is increasing repression on Muslims, on Black and Latino youth and on those who protest, as the FBI raids on anti-war demonstrators and the NYPD attacks on the peaceful Occupy Wall St. demonstrators show. Join us in a march to demand an end to U.S. wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, an end to U.S. aid to Israel, and an end to U.S. bombing and destruction in Libya and an end to the growing repression at home. We NEED Jobs, Health Care & Education NOT War, Racism & Repression -------------------------------Followed by a 4 pm Solidarity Meeting with Carlos Montes, a speaker from the Victor Toro Defense Committee, immigrant rights and antiwar activists facing government attack and phony charges, and Cyrus McGoldrick from the Council on American Islamic Relations. At Judson Memorial Church, Washington Square South & Thompson St., NYC Called by: United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), www.UNACpeace.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:29:56 PM
Great how show of support from UNAC On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > BTW, this is marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan, > which is also the start date for the October2011 occupation in Washington, > DC, which starts on Thursday. The NYC march was moved back a week from the > anniversary date so it wouldn't conflict with the DC occupation. > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It was originally going to be targeted at 3 embassies in Midtown, but the >> United National Antiwar Committee (UNAC) voted to move it downtown. >> >> Wall Street Is War Street >> >> On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan >> >> NO to Endless WARS! >> >> Sat. OCT. 15, >> >> Noon Rally at Wall Street >> >> March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment >> >> Liberty & Broadway >> >> >> >> Oct. 15 is a day of nationally coordinated antiwar actions in cities >> across the U.S., the 10th anniversary of the massively destructive and >> criminal U.S. war on Afghanistan. >> >> >> >> When the U.S. government began its attack on Afghanistan 10 years ago, >> President Bush called it a war on terror. It was followed by 8 years of >> U.S. war Iraq and now war in Libya and drone wars on Pakistan, Yemen, >> Somalia and Sudan under Pres. Obama. These are all wars for oil, resources >> and markets in the interests of corporate power. >> >> At the same time, the U.S. government is carrying out attacks on working >> people within the U.S., cutting back on health care and education while >> bailing out the Wall St. banks and insurance companies. Every time people >> call for money for social services, we are told there is no money, but the >> government always finds money for its wars. It is increasing repression on >> Muslims, on Black and Latino youth and on those who protest, as the FBI >> raids on anti-war demonstrators and the NYPD attacks on the peaceful Occupy >> Wall St. demonstrators show. >> >> Join us in a march to demand an end to U.S. wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, an >> end to U.S. aid to Israel, and an end to U.S. bombing and destruction in
>> Libya and an end to the growing repression at home. >> >> We NEED >> >> Jobs, Health Care & Education >> >> NOT >> >> War, Racism & Repression >> >> ------------------------------->> >> Followed by a 4 pm Solidarity Meeting with Carlos Montes, a speaker from >> the Victor Toro Defense Committee, immigrant rights and antiwar activists >> facing government attack and phony charges, and Cyrus McGoldrick from the NY >> Council on American Islamic Relations. >> >> At Judson Memorial Church, Washington Square South & Thompson St., NYC >> >> Called by: United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), www.UNACpeace.org >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street: Manissa McCleave Maharawal on struggling with racism Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:46:09 AM
Thanks a million Jackie, ---LOVE!!!!!!! Yes, i know its happening, how can it NOT happen??? LOL> but our brothers and sisters in the occupation need to be less dismissive-- we do bring anti-racist global perspective on all things anti-wall street. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Outreach to People of Color is happening > > > > See pococcupywallstreet.tumblr.com and join > http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/activism/organizing/call-people-color-occupywallstreet-peoplecolor-working-group/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of shaista husain > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:35 AM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall > Street: Manissa McCleave Maharawal on struggling with racism > > > > Yes, Thanks for posting this, i felt same way since day one, lack of > > immigrant and people of color, as well as the dismissing of efforts to > > organize here to be more actively inclusive. Manissa as well as many > > other immigrants have come together, we had a meeting two nights ago > > on how to constructively address this problem. We would like to join > > the outreach efforts to diversify the body and create working group on > > global democracy and economics that stand in solidarity with > > occupations across the world who reflect our needs for global justice > > against wall street and its allies, the pentagon, the UN/NATO--we do > > not see wall street separate from the imperialist state apparatus. We > > live day to day in the dismissive culture of american chauvinism, we > > face insidious forms of outright and silenced discrimination, we are
> > struggling to participate in this occupation so that issues of race, > > immigration, gender are not sidellined but part of the center core > > practice of decolonizing wall street. We are part of this occupation. > > We stand in solidarity. We need to discuss ways to outreach more > > people of color and address issues of race and immigrant rights here > > where our voices can be welcomed. YEs, these politics are "finance" > > related--as is the war on terror- as is the prison hunger strike and > > requires a solid understanding of how marginalized communities must be > > actively included in the outreach efforts and once people come in they > > are welcomed and included. This is why i proposed a working group on > > Global Democracy and Economics (perhaps as part of the Education > > Working group, as well as outreach--and media--across the spectrum of > > working groups) with a clear aim and goal to include minority groups > > and disenfranchised peoples into the protest movement, in every > > sector--as NATURAL ALLIES--and participants. > > in solidarity, > > Shaista > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Friedman <lycophidion@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> http://www.leftturn.org/so-real-it-hurts-notes-occupy-wall-street > >> > >> So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street > >> By: > >> Manissa McCleave Maharawal > >> Date Published: > >> October 4, 2011 > >> > >> I first went down to Occupy Wall Street last Sunday, almost a week >
>> after it had started. I didn't go down before because I, like many of > >> my other brown friends, was wary of what we had heard or just intuited > >> that it was mostly a young, white male scene. When I asked friends > >> about it they said different things: that it was really white; that it > >> was all people they didn't know; and that they weren't sure what was > >> going on. But after hearing about the arrests and police brutality on > >> Saturday, September 24th and after hearing that thousands of people > >> had turned up for their march I decided I needed to see this thing for > >> myself. > >> [.....] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael Friedman, Ph.D. > >> Visiting Scientist > >> Sackler Institute for Comparative Genomics > >> American Museum of Natural History > >> 79th Street and Central Park West > >> New York, NY 10024 > >> Cell: 718-812-4246 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:32 PM, <september17@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>> Today's Topic Summary > >>> > >>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/september17/topics >
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Sound Permit [2 Updates] Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches in the Horizon [5 Updates] OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 [3 Updates] Propaganda [2 Updates] The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR [3 Updates] persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com [1 Update] Welcome Flyer [1 Update] Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS [5 Updates] Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY [2 Updates] URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence [1 Update]
Topic: Sound Permit
jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:42PM -0500 ^
Here's an article about the power of the human mic. I also think the human mic is part of our magic and I think we should keep it.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/163767/we-are-all-human-microphones-now?rel=emailNation
gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:22PM -0400 ^
The human mic, which is so patiently and tenderly transmitting different
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points of view, is one of the most moving things to witness at OWS.
It is however, inefficient in larger crowds.
Topic: Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches in the Horizon
"Richard S." <chardsinger@yahoo.com> Oct 04 02:19PM -0700 ^
Although I am not an active participant or Liberty Plaza Park camper right now, I cannot resist answering some of the messages/ideas expressed on this e-mail list. If people feel I shouldn't be doing so, just let me know...
Ale, I have two concerns when I read your description/message below. One is that in your idea about why we are marching (and I still can include myself in that "we" because I have been marching with many of you a lot of the time), you seem to have forgotten about the very crushing, real, concrete economic hardship that is being inflicted on so many of us, about the crisis of unemployment in a society in which employment is required - at least at some point - for survival (and is also used by many as a measure of one's worthiness to participate in society), and about the absurd inequality of our economic system. I thought inequality was one of the main reasons that we are marching. So, I am always baffled by your repeated insistence on dropping "egalite" from the "song" that you think we should chant.
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Secondly, I love the idea of general assemblies spreading throughout the world to practice and create direct participatory democracy. However, I hope that the concept of direct, participatory democracy being pursued does not have to include all the features of consensus process (or a particular kind of consensus process) that have been popular with activist groups for a while. (People who don't know say this is all new, but I know it isn't. When I first joined the GA, I was surprised at how many details and gimmicks in the process were identical to what I'd seen in Direct Action Network a dozen years ago.) My biggest fear in this area is with regard to the danger that consensus process has begun to be seen as a necessary ingredient in direct democracy (which it most certainly is not). I have heard that the GAs are really falling back on a form of majority voting pretty often anyway (is this true?), but I think that the emphasis on consensus, and the equation of many people (especially the newer activists) between consensus and "real democracy" would be a drag on the effectiveness and popularity of general assemblies in general. I am also concerned that the movement for democratic assemblies might be dragged down by the numerous gimmicks that are peculiar to this trend in process, but which I don't see as necessary - e.g., everything from "vibes watching" to certain identity-based concepts of the progressive stack to the twinkling of fingers (I don't mind "twinkling," I do it myself :) - but a lot of people don't see that as necessary at all).
Because of time limits, I can't really comment adequately re. other thoughts that have occurred to me. However, I will add that I don't see all concerns related to all different "dissent social movements" (which is a broad enough category to be very changeable and debatable) as being "points" from which the social struggle and
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eventual revolution (I hope) to oppose and replace the present socialeconomic system can be waged with equal significance or effectiveness. (Hoping that sentence is not too convoluted, but again, my eloquence in this matter is limited by time, as I am a very slow writer.) And while I know this is a terrible heresy here and now, I do think that one "concern" and source of struggle that can unite the broadest range of people in a struggle against the root of our problems is class. I would say, "class" as a concept that can be debated, studied, updated beyond the usual stereotypical assumptions, but class nonetheless, based on people's economic role in the society. (Call me a dated old Marxist, if you like - though I was an anarchist activist first, well acquainted with these many supposedly "new" approaches a good number of years ago.)
And, on a related point - or back to the first point - I also kind of thought we were marching to address issues of economic power and control that have been neglected by fashionable activist movements in our area for decades, which is one major reason we find ourselves in the present social disaster.
Anyway, I hope this message has not been too cumbersome, and once again, if I am too detached from the group (at least in physical presence) to be offering such lengthy and somewhat dissenting opinions, you (all) should just tell me, and I will take that into major consideration. :)
Richard
On Oct 4, 3:36 pm, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho"
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Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:32PM -0400 ^
We need a one-line SOMETHING. I don't care if it's a demand, a definition, a purpose, or whatever, but we need a snappy, inspiring, and easily communicable idea so people can quickly understand what we're about. "We are a human struggle against oppression in all its forms" is a good start, but it's kind of a tounge-twister. I firmly believe we can come up with something of a similar sentiment that so simple, so universal, so immediately true that even my idiot cousin in the Tea Party will hear it and say "wow, that makes way more sense than this Tea Party shit" and come join this movement. A simple idea that can spread like wildfire.
Solidarity,
Jon
*Tea Partiers themselves are not always bad people, they're just confused, angry, and so eager to do SOMETHING that they're grabbing onto the toxic messages of hatred that Big Business is packaging as a populist movement. It's exactly the same way that the fascists were able to take power in the 1930s: by appealing to the worst instincts of people. If we can figure out how to inspire people's best instincts instead, they will come to us in droves.
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho <
Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:42PM -0400 ^
"True freedom for all people, forever."
Sent from my iPhone
Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:01PM -0400 ^
Against the massive concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a select few.
--glj
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I actually think any economic issues are wholly subsumed by environmental issues - you can't eat money - having said that, perhaps it's time for a movie break (even if it is mainly economic)!
http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupyeverywhere.html
Topic: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1
shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 03:58PM -0400 ^
Goals/demands/visions are all the same thing, it is a program, a collective consciousness and raison d'etre, some basic agreements of good faith between ourselves--there is much to celebrate here, unity is success. Now, this collective consciousness is not fixed but in transformation. We need NOT be afraid of demands/goals/visions/program, as we have already accomplished a major democratic feat : we have established that it will be a LIVING DOCUMENT; that it can by modified in time, elaborated upon, examined, clarified and worked out according to lessons collectively learned. We should begin to take ourselves in good faith and put forth a basic agenda, demands, etc, whatever we decide how little or how much, even if that is just posing certain questions to the media to the world, to address the public audience---our goal is to increase our base and support in the
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public, ie. grow in number--which we must do through our outreach. With this purpose in mind, using our own instruments of dissemination, we are quite capable of conveying tools of empowerment to the public at large--our success lies not only internal dialogue and diversity, but in our public support and its growth and further transformation.... open ended platform.
One thing to always keep in mind, that is currently missing in our day to day program, is a sober examination of the international GA's, their lessons and their successes. We must stand together with international occupations, not only do they give us valuable tools, but also inform us on economic models for consideration. These alliances increase our constituency exponentially on a global level and also correct us from playing into american chauvinism, something that we all take for granted. WE MUST STAND in solidarity with global protest movements in the world. We are not alone. We need to address our economy in context of demands emerging from other occupations as well as our domestic crisis. This is what WALL STREET and the US WAR machine completely fails to do. This is where our goals and demands not only become meaningful on a national level, but in solidarity with other GAs we find that our solutions are not only really possible, completely feasible and rational, but they are in harmony with a future that must come to pass on this planet. One of the main goals of forming a working group on Economy and Global Democracy would be to ally ourselves and build bridges with other other occupations, exchange notes, present this to the body, also good tidings of victory as well as lessons mistakes crisis, we have 90 cities in the US
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to also ally ourselves with. All news of our brothers and sisters fighting under more austere more violent, more life and death situations so courageously, this gives us more power and legitimacy than any newspaper in the world. Let us reverberate globally in outrage and welcome all protest, reclaim our place in the world that has been hijacked by greedy warmongers, imperialists, who neither represent us nor profit us in any way and destroy movements for progress and democracy all across the earth. We are global democratic citizens. This is a global movement. Peace and Love, Shaista
Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:07PM -0400 ^
I do not expect nothing but populist concesions. If they start to work for the people tomorrow, great, it will advance our goals, but our strategy is to grow our power. Cesar
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But we aren't protesting one thing, like the Iraq war. If you look at photos of the signs people carry, their are multiple issues. I have argued that we could make the one demand - get corporate money out of politics and many of the other issues would, and should, be resolved in a real democracy according to what the majority of the people want v. what will profit the plutocracy greatest.
However there is quite a bit of resistance to boiling it all down to one demand on the part of some of the most active and passionate occupiers, and to allow it to be an evolving and organic process - and so I tend to think it's up to the press, like Matt T., to explain THAT position, rather than pressure OWS to capitulate.
Topic: Propaganda
<frogman@networkpimps.com> Oct 04 05:48PM -0400 ^
Here is another FOX News story that can have a negative impact. Who recruited Anonymous' involvement anyway?
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this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation.
Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA.
Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the process of defining us.
I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word.
Solidarity,
Jon
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work.
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-justin
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR
To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com>
Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going forward, thanks.
-Rebecca
Hi Rebecca,
Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv?
I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going on about PR.
-justin
> >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Justin, > >>> > >>> Nice to meet you briefly today. > >>> > >>> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He > >>> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks > >>> Fifth Avenue. > >>> > >>> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. > >>> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they >>> did > >>> about Saturday's protests: > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html > >>> > >>> >>> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm > >>> > >>> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? > >>> > >>> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do >>> the > >>> same. > >>> > >>> Be well, > >>> > >>> -Rebecca >
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From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR
To: rebeccaction@gmail.com
From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Workhouse PR
To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com>
Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too.
William Schwartz
917.385.5047
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http://twitter.com/2William
On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you joking!
I actually think your stategy is backward. The way i see it first you get large numbers of people to join by showing how reasonable you are. Then when the numbers are big enough, they will feel their oats, get impatient, and start demanding more than you could have imagined. (Never underestimate mob mentality.) But if you talk about overthrowing governments, capitalism or wholesale changes, most of the 99% will be scared off, and we'll never have the power we need to affect real change. In order to fight the global coporations I estimate we need a minimum of 15 million Americans on the street. There are not 15 million radical socialist/anarchists in the US. We need people without political agendas, but with anger at coporations.
I am also wary of using PR firms, by the way. (Athough the fact that anyone can call and be a "spokesman" shows one of our weaknesses.)
On 10/04/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an
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OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America.
While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread.
But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more radical point of view in a reasonable way.
On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote:
+1
Sent from my phone
On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
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WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation.
I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word.
Solidarity,
Jon
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-justin
-Rebecca
Hi Rebecca,
Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv?
I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going
>>> on about PR. > >>> > >>> -justin > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Justin, > >>> > >>> Nice to meet you briefly today. > >>> > >>> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He > >>> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks > >>> Fifth Avenue. > >>> > >>> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. > >>> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they >>> did > >>> about Saturday's protests: > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html > >>> > >>> >>> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm > >>> > >>> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? > >>> > >>> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do >>> the > >>> same. > >>> > >>> Be well,
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-Rebecca
William Schwartz
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Connect!
Are you joking!
+1
On 10/04/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote:
To protect us from people lying about representing us, put to a vote at the GA today that we make a blanket statement informing the media that no company speaks for us and to reject any speaker who claims otherwise as a liar.
Then, form a working group to select -individuals- who are authorized to speak for us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:
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Beware of corporate co-optation in all its guises. They want to "help" #OWS for a reason.
To maintain our authenticity we must reject all corporate influence. We must not become a corporate sponsored movement.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America.
While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread.
But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a
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more radical point of view in a reasonable way.
On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote:
+1
Sent from my phone
On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote:
WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation.
I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the
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media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not "represent" us in any sense of the word.
Solidarity,
Jon
-justin
-Rebecca
> >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Rebecca, > >>> > >>> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 >>> listserv? > >>> > >>> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations >>> going > >>> on about PR. > >>> > >>> -justin > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Justin, > >>> > >>> Nice to meet you briefly today. > >>> > >>> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He > >>> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks > >>> Fifth Avenue. > >>> > >>> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. > >>> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they >>> did > >>> about Saturday's protests: > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >
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http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm
We should both be in touch with these folks, right?
Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the same.
Be well,
-Rebecca
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William Schwartz
917.385.5047
Connect!
Are you joking!
Topic: persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com
Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> Oct 04 02:25PM -0700 ^
Can the persons running http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ please email me off-list. We are getting contacted by journalists who want to speak with you.
(By the way, I think you should win a webby - it is a wonderful site!)
> >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Micah > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Topic: Welcome Flyer > >>> > >>> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:23PM -0500 ^ > >>> > >>> Very cool, maybe a quick run through of general assembly prodedures and >>> how > >>> to find a working group? > >>> > >>> On 10/04/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I know we have a NYC GA pamphlet, but I wanted to create something that >>> we > >>> could give to new campers upon arrival at the Welcome Centers. > >>> > >>> Here's my start on it: > >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ql4xnJO1y5kChYhoSCDDImMZZkPSvycCovhGGCb0BNM/edit? hl=en_US > >>> > >>> It lays out basic rules, info about the park/neighborhood/etc. It is by >>> no > >>> means exhaustive, but it's a start. > >>>
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What do people think?
-justin
Topic: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS
Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:20PM -0400 ^
It was originally going to be targeted at 3 embassies in Midtown, but the United National Antiwar Committee (UNAC) voted to move it downtown.
*Wall Street Is War Street*
*On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan*
*NO to Endless WARS!*****
*Sat. OCT. 15**,*
*Noon Rally at Wall Street*
*March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment*
*Liberty & Broadway*
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*Oct. 15 is a day of nationally coordinated antiwar actions in cities across the U.S., the 10th anniversary of the massively destructive and criminal U.S. war on Afghanistan.*
** **
When the U.S. government began its attack on Afghanistan 10 years ago, President Bush called it a war on terror. It was followed by 8 years of U.S. war Iraq and now war in Libya and drone wars on Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan under Pres. Obama. These are all wars for oil, resources and markets in the interests of corporate power.****
At the same time, the U.S. government is carrying out attacks on working people within the U.S., cutting back on health care and education while bailing out the Wall St. banks and insurance companies. Every time people call for money for social services, we are told there is no money, but the government always finds money for its wars. It is increasing repression on Muslims, on Black and Latino youth and on those who protest, as the FBI raids on anti-war demonstrators and the NYPD attacks on the peaceful Occupy Wall St. demonstrators show.****
Join us in a march to demand an end to U.S. wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, an end to U.S. aid to Israel, and an end to U.S. bombing and destruction in Libya and an end to the growing repression at home.****
*We NEED*****
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*Jobs, Health Care & Education*****
*NOT*****
*War, Racism & Repression*
*--------------------------------*****
Followed by a *4 pm Solidarity Meeting* with Carlos Montes, a speaker from the Victor Toro Defense Committee, immigrant rights and antiwar activists facing government attack and phony charges, and Cyrus McGoldrick from the NY Council on American Islamic Relations.****
*At Judson Memorial Church, Washington Square South & Thompson St., NYC*
Called by: United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), www.UNACpeace.org<http://www.unacpeace.org/>
BTW, this is marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan, which is also the start date for the October2011 occupation in Washington, DC, which starts on Thursday. The NYC march was moved back a week from the anniversary date so it wouldn't conflict with the DC occupation.
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shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:29PM -0400 ^
Great how show of support from UNAC
UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation.
lisajensky@gmail.com Oct 04 08:37PM ^
This is great!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message----From: Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:31:37 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally
> >>> on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS > >>> > >>> UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Topic: Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY > >>> > >>> Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:06PM -0400 ^ > >>> > >>> A Miami Herald jounalist is looking for a Latinamerican OWS organizer to > >>> interview by phone asap. Please write to moralesisa@gmail.com. > >>> > >>> 2011/10/4 Yotam Marom <yotam.marom@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:23PM -0400 ^ > >>> > >>> I am puerto rican raised in tennessee if that fits anywhere? > >>> > >>>>> Hi friends. > >>> > >>>>> I wrote a piece about the occupation. Figured I'd put it up here in >>>>> case > >>>>> people find it useful in some way. > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.zcommunications.org/a-brief-analysis-from-a-wall-street-occupier-by-yotam-marom
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Topic: URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence
Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> Oct 03 10:59PM -0400 ^
Thank you SO MUCH for addressing this. I'm looking forward to hearing back from the meeting, and will see what I can do to help maintain a a truly safer space at OWS.
Best, Sarah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of shaista husain september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street: Manissa McCleave Maharawal on struggling with racism Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:34:56 AM
Yes, Thanks for posting this, i felt same way since day one, lack of immigrant and people of color, as well as the dismissing of efforts to organize here to be more actively inclusive. Manissa as well as many other immigrants have come together, we had a meeting two nights ago on how to constructively address this problem. We would like to join the outreach efforts to diversify the body and create working group on global democracy and economics that stand in solidarity with occupations across the world who reflect our needs for global justice against wall street and its allies, the pentagon, the UN/NATO--we do not see wall street separate from the imperialist state apparatus. We live day to day in the dismissive culture of american chauvinism, we face insidious forms of outright and silenced discrimination, we are struggling to participate in this occupation so that issues of race, immigration, gender are not sidellined but part of the center core practice of decolonizing wall street. We are part of this occupation. We stand in solidarity. We need to discuss ways to outreach more people of color and address issues of race and immigrant rights here where our voices can be welcomed. YEs, these politics are "finance" related--as is the war on terror- as is the prison hunger strike and requires a solid understanding of how marginalized communities must be actively included in the outreach efforts and once people come in they are welcomed and included. This is why i proposed a working group on Global Democracy and Economics (perhaps as part of the Education Working group, as well as outreach--and media--across the spectrum of working groups) with a clear aim and goal to include minority groups and disenfranchised peoples into the protest movement, in every sector--as NATURAL ALLIES--and participants. in solidarity, Shaista On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Friedman <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.leftturn.org/so-real-it-hurts-notes-occupy-wall-street > > So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street > By: > Manissa McCleave Maharawal > Date Published: > October 4, 2011 > > I first went down to Occupy Wall Street last Sunday, almost a week > after it had started. I didn't go down before because I, like many of > my other brown friends, was wary of what we had heard or just intuited > that it was mostly a young, white male scene. When I asked friends > about it they said different things: that it was really white; that it > was all people they didn't know; and that they weren't sure what was > going on. But after hearing about the arrests and police brutality on > Saturday, September 24th and after hearing that thousands of people > had turned up for their march I decided I needed to see this thing for > myself. > [.....] >
> > > > Michael Friedman, Ph.D. > Visiting Scientist > Sackler Institute for Comparative Genomics > American Museum of Natural History > 79th Street and Central Park West > New York, NY 10024 > Cell: 718-812-4246 > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:32 PM, <september17@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> Today's Topic Summary >> >> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/september17/topics >> >> Sound Permit [2 Updates] >> Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches in the >> Horizon [5 Updates] >> OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 [3 Updates] >> Propaganda [2 Updates] >> The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR [3 >> Updates] >> persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com [1 Update] >> Welcome Flyer [1 Update] >> Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS [5 >> Updates] >> Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY [2 Updates] >> URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence [1 Update] >> >> Topic: Sound Permit >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:42PM -0500 ^ >> >> Here's an article about the power of the human mic. I also think the human >> mic is part of our magic and I think we should keep it. >> >> http://www.thenation.com/blog/163767/we-are-all-human-microphones-now?rel=emailNation >> >> >> >> gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:22PM -0400 ^ >> >> The human mic, which is so patiently and tenderly transmitting different >> points of view, is one of the most moving things to witness at OWS. >> >> It is however, inefficient in larger crowds. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches >> in the Horizon >> >> "Richard S." <chardsinger@yahoo.com> Oct 04 02:19PM -0700 ^ >>
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Although I am not an active participant or Liberty Plaza Park camper right now, I cannot resist answering some of the messages/ideas expressed on this e-mail list. If people feel I shouldn't be doing so, just let me know... Ale, I have two concerns when I read your description/message below. One is that in your idea about why we are marching (and I still can include myself in that "we" because I have been marching with many of you a lot of the time), you seem to have forgotten about the very crushing, real, concrete economic hardship that is being inflicted on so many of us, about the crisis of unemployment in a society in which employment is required - at least at some point - for survival (and is also used by many as a measure of one's worthiness to participate in society), and about the absurd inequality of our economic system. I thought inequality was one of the main reasons that we are marching. So, I am always baffled by your repeated insistence on dropping "egalite" from the "song" that you think we should chant. Secondly, I love the idea of general assemblies spreading throughout the world to practice and create direct participatory democracy. However, I hope that the concept of direct, participatory democracy being pursued does not have to include all the features of consensus process (or a particular kind of consensus process) that have been popular with activist groups for a while. (People who don't know say this is all new, but I know it isn't. When I first joined the GA, I was surprised at how many details and gimmicks in the process were identical to what I'd seen in Direct Action Network a dozen years ago.) My biggest fear in this area is with regard to the danger that consensus process has begun to be seen as a necessary ingredient in direct democracy (which it most certainly is not). I have heard that the GAs are really falling back on a form of majority voting pretty often anyway (is this true?), but I think that the emphasis on consensus, and the equation of many people (especially the newer activists) between consensus and "real democracy" would be a drag on the effectiveness and popularity of general assemblies in general. I am also concerned that the movement for democratic assemblies might be dragged down by the numerous gimmicks that are peculiar to this trend in process, but which I don't see as necessary - e.g., everything from "vibes watching" to certain identity-based concepts of the progressive stack to the twinkling of fingers (I don't mind "twinkling," I do it myself :) - but a lot of people don't see that as necessary at all). Because of time limits, I can't really comment adequately re. other thoughts that have occurred to me. However, I will add that I don't see all concerns related to all different "dissent social movements" (which is a broad enough category to be very changeable and debatable) as being "points" from which the social struggle and eventual revolution (I hope) to oppose and replace the present socialeconomic system can be waged with equal significance or effectiveness. (Hoping that sentence is not too convoluted, but again, my eloquence in this matter is limited by time, as I am a very slow writer.) And while I know this is a terrible heresy here and now, I do think that one "concern" and source of struggle that can unite the broadest range of people in a struggle against the root of our problems is class. I would say, "class" as a concept that can be debated, studied, updated beyond the usual stereotypical assumptions, but class nonetheless, based on people's economic role in the society. (Call me a dated old Marxist, if you like - though I was an anarchist activist first, well acquainted with these many supposedly "new" approaches a good number of years ago.)
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And, on a related point - or back to the first point - I also kind of thought we were marching to address issues of economic power and control that have been neglected by fashionable activist movements in our area for decades, which is one major reason we find ourselves in the present social disaster. Anyway, I hope this message has not been too cumbersome, and once again, if I am too detached from the group (at least in physical presence) to be offering such lengthy and somewhat dissenting opinions, you (all) should just tell me, and I will take that into major consideration. :) Richard On Oct 4, 3:36 pm, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho"
Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:32PM -0400 ^ We need a one-line SOMETHING. I don't care if it's a demand, a definition, a purpose, or whatever, but we need a snappy, inspiring, and easily communicable idea so people can quickly understand what we're about. "We are a human struggle against oppression in all its forms" is a good start, but it's kind of a tounge-twister. I firmly believe we can come up with something of a similar sentiment that so simple, so universal, so immediately true that even my idiot cousin in the Tea Party will hear it and say "wow, that makes way more sense than this Tea Party shit" and come join this movement. A simple idea that can spread like wildfire. Solidarity, Jon *Tea Partiers themselves are not always bad people, they're just confused, angry, and so eager to do SOMETHING that they're grabbing onto the toxic messages of hatred that Big Business is packaging as a populist movement. It's exactly the same way that the fascists were able to take power in the 1930s: by appealing to the worst instincts of people. If we can figure out how to inspire people's best instincts instead, they will come to us in droves.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho <
Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:42PM -0400 ^ "True freedom for all people, forever." Sent from my iPhone
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Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:01PM -0400 ^ Against the massive concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a select few. --glj
gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:20PM -0400 ^ I actually think any economic issues are wholly subsumed by environmental issues - you can't eat money - having said that, perhaps it's time for a movie break (even if it is mainly economic)! http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupyeverywhere.html
Topic: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 03:58PM -0400 ^ Goals/demands/visions are all the same thing, it is a program, a collective consciousness and raison d'etre, some basic agreements of good faith between ourselves--there is much to celebrate here, unity is success. Now, this collective consciousness is not fixed but in transformation. We need NOT be afraid of demands/goals/visions/program, as we have already accomplished a major democratic feat : we have established that it will be a LIVING DOCUMENT; that it can by modified in time, elaborated upon, examined, clarified and worked out according to lessons collectively learned. We should begin to take ourselves in good faith and put forth a basic agenda, demands, etc, whatever we decide how little or how much, even if that is just posing certain questions to the media to the world, to address the public audience---our goal is to increase our base and support in the public, ie. grow in number--which we must do through our outreach. With this purpose in mind, using our own instruments of dissemination, we are quite capable of conveying tools of empowerment to the public at large--our success lies not only internal dialogue and diversity, but in our public support and its growth and further transformation.... open ended platform. One thing to always keep in mind, that is currently missing in our day to day program, is a sober examination of the international GA's, their lessons and their successes. We must stand together with international occupations, not only do they give us valuable tools, but also inform us on economic models for consideration. These alliances increase our constituency exponentially on a global level and also correct us from playing into american chauvinism, something that we all take for granted. WE MUST STAND in solidarity with global protest movements in the world. We are not alone. We need to address our economy in context of demands emerging from other occupations as well as our domestic crisis. This is what WALL STREET and the US WAR machine completely fails to do. This is where our goals and demands not only become meaningful on a national level, but in solidarity with other GAs we find that our solutions are not only really possible, completely
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feasible and rational, but they are in harmony with a future that must come to pass on this planet. One of the main goals of forming a working group on Economy and Global Democracy would be to ally ourselves and build bridges with other other occupations, exchange notes, present this to the body, also good tidings of victory as well as lessons mistakes crisis, we have 90 cities in the US to also ally ourselves with. All news of our brothers and sisters fighting under more austere more violent, more life and death situations so courageously, this gives us more power and legitimacy than any newspaper in the world. Let us reverberate globally in outrage and welcome all protest, reclaim our place in the world that has been hijacked by greedy warmongers, imperialists, who neither represent us nor profit us in any way and destroy movements for progress and democracy all across the earth. We are global democratic citizens. This is a global movement. Peace and Love, Shaista
Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:07PM -0400 ^ I do not expect nothing but populist concesions. If they start to work for the people tomorrow, great, it will advance our goals, but our strategy is to grow our power. Cesar Sent from phone
gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:58PM -0400 ^ But we aren't protesting one thing, like the Iraq war. If you look at photos of the signs people carry, their are multiple issues. I have argued that we could make the one demand - get corporate money out of politics and many of the other issues would, and should, be resolved in a real democracy according to what the majority of the people want v. what will profit the plutocracy greatest. However there is quite a bit of resistance to boiling it all down to one demand on the part of some of the most active and passionate occupiers, and to allow it to be an evolving and organic process - and so I tend to think it's up to the press, like Matt T., to explain THAT position, rather than pressure OWS to capitulate.
Topic: Propaganda <frogman@networkpimps.com> Oct 04 05:48PM -0400 ^ Here is another FOX News story that can have a negative impact. Who recruited Anonymous' involvement anyway?
>> >> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/04/hacker-group-anonymous-threatens-to-attack-stockexchange/ >> >> >> >> Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> Oct 04 02:55PM -0700 ^ >> >> Nobody did. They're acting on their own, the plan is stupid. I know >> the details of it and I'm pretty sure it's either a false flag op or >> something put together by a clueless group. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:27PM -0500 ^ >> >> This sound sangerous to me also >> >> On 10/04/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR >> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >>
>> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >> >> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >> >> William Schwartz >> >> 917.385.5047 >> >> Connect! >> >> http://twitter.com/2William >> >> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you joking! >> >> >> >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:36PM -0500 ^ >> >> I actually think your stategy is backward. The way i see it first you get >> large numbers of people to join by showing how reasonable you are. Then when >> the numbers are big enough, they will feel their oats, get impatient, and >> start demanding more than you could have imagined. (Never underestimate mob >> mentality.) But if you talk about overthrowing governments, capitalism or >> wholesale changes, most of the 99% will be scared off, and we'll never have >> the power we need to affect real change. In order to fight the global >> coporations I estimate we need a minimum of 15 million Americans on the >> street. There are not 15 million radical socialist/anarchists in the US. We >> need people without political agendas, but with anger at coporations. >> >> I am also wary of using PR firms, by the way. (Athough the fact that anyone >> can call and be a "spokesman" shows one of our weaknesses.) >> >> On 10/04/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: >> >> Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS >> "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The >> radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the >> occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the >> square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class >> warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall >> tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. >> >> While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help >> change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any
>> reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they >> will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected >> and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as >> well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. >> >> But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have >> serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I >> think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more >> radical point of view in a reasonable way. >> >> On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR >> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going
>> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >> >> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. There was an article in the New York Post about it too. William Schwartz 917.385.5047 Connect! http://twitter.com/2William On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: Are you joking!
jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:37PM -0500 ^ +1 On 10/04/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: To protect us from people lying about representing us, put to a vote at the GA today that we make a blanket statement informing the media that no company speaks for us and to reject any speaker who claims otherwise as a liar. Then, form a working group to select -individuals- who are authorized to speak for us. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Beware of corporate co-optation in all its guises. They want to "help" #OWS for a reason. To maintain our authenticity we must reject all corporate influence. We must not become a corporate sponsored movement. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as
>> well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. >> >> But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have >> serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I >> think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more >> radical point of view in a reasonable way. >> >> On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR >> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca
>> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >> >> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >> >> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >>
>> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >> >> William Schwartz >> >> 917.385.5047 >> >> Connect! >> >> http://twitter.com/2William >> >> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you joking! >> >> >> >> >> Topic: persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com >> >> Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> Oct 04 02:25PM -0700 ^ >> >> Can the persons running http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ please email me >> off-list. We are getting contacted by journalists who want to speak with >> you. >> >> (By the way, I think you should win a webby - it is a wonderful site!) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> Topic: Welcome Flyer >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:23PM -0500 ^ >> >> Very cool, maybe a quick run through of general assembly prodedures and how >> to find a working group? >> >> On 10/04/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I know we have a NYC GA pamphlet, but I wanted to create something that we >> could give to new campers upon arrival at the Welcome Centers. >> >> Here's my start on it: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ql4xnJO1y5kChYhoSCDDImMZZkPSvycCovhGGCb0BNM/edit? hl=en_US >> >> It lays out basic rules, info about the park/neighborhood/etc. It is by no >> means exhaustive, but it's a start. >> >> What do people think? >> >> -justin >> >>
>> >> Topic: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS >> >> Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:20PM -0400 ^ >> >> It was originally going to be targeted at 3 embassies in Midtown, but the >> United National Antiwar Committee (UNAC) voted to move it downtown. >> >> *Wall Street Is War Street* >> >> *On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan* >> >> *NO to Endless WARS!***** >> >> *Sat. OCT. 15**,* >> >> *Noon Rally at Wall Street* >> >> *March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment* >> >> *Liberty & Broadway* >> >> * * >> >> *Oct. 15 is a day of nationally coordinated antiwar actions in cities across >> the U.S., the 10th anniversary of the massively destructive and criminal >> U.S. war on Afghanistan.* >> >> ** ** >> >> When the U.S. government began its attack on Afghanistan 10 years ago, >> President Bush called it a war on terror. It was followed by 8 years of >> U.S. war Iraq and now war in Libya and drone wars on Pakistan, Yemen, >> Somalia and Sudan under Pres. Obama. These are all wars for oil, resources >> and markets in the interests of corporate power.**** >> >> At the same time, the U.S. government is carrying out attacks on working >> people within the U.S., cutting back on health care and education while >> bailing out the Wall St. banks and insurance companies. Every time people >> call for money for social services, we are told there is no money, but the >> government always finds money for its wars. It is increasing repression on >> Muslims, on Black and Latino youth and on those who protest, as the FBI >> raids on anti-war demonstrators and the NYPD attacks on the peaceful Occupy >> Wall St. demonstrators show.**** >> >> Join us in a march to demand an end to U.S. wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, an >> end to U.S. aid to Israel, and an end to U.S. bombing and destruction in >> Libya and an end to the growing repression at home.**** >> >> *We NEED***** >> >> *Jobs, Health Care & Education***** >> >> *NOT***** >> >> *War, Racism & Repression* >> >> *--------------------------------***** >> >> Followed by a *4 pm Solidarity Meeting* with Carlos Montes, a speaker from
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the Victor Toro Defense Committee, immigrant rights and antiwar activists facing government attack and phony charges, and Cyrus McGoldrick from the NY Council on American Islamic Relations.**** *At Judson Memorial Church, Washington Square South & Thompson St., NYC* Called by: United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), www.UNACpeace.org<http://www.unacpeace.org/>
Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:24PM -0400 ^ BTW, this is marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan, which is also the start date for the October2011 occupation in Washington, DC, which starts on Thursday. The NYC march was moved back a week from the anniversary date so it wouldn't conflict with the DC occupation.
shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:29PM -0400 ^ Great how show of support from UNAC
Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:31PM -0400 ^ UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation.
lisajensky@gmail.com Oct 04 08:37PM ^ This is great! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----From: Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:31:37 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation.
Topic: Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:06PM -0400 ^
>> A Miami Herald jounalist is looking for a Latinamerican OWS organizer to >> interview by phone asap. Please write to moralesisa@gmail.com. >> >> 2011/10/4 Yotam Marom <yotam.marom@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:23PM -0400 ^ >> >> I am puerto rican raised in tennessee if that fits anywhere? >> >>>> Hi friends. >> >>>> I wrote a piece about the occupation. Figured I'd put it up here in case >>>> people find it useful in some way. >> >> http://www.zcommunications.org/a-brief-analysis-from-a-wall-street-occupier-by-yotam-marom >> >> >> >> Topic: URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence >> >> Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> Oct 03 10:59PM -0400 ^ >> >> Thank you SO MUCH for addressing this. I'm looking forward to hearing back >> from the meeting, and will see what I can do to help maintain a a truly >> safer space at OWS. >> >> Best, >> Sarah >> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-MED: RE: [september17discuss] So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street: Manissa McCleave Maharawal on struggling with racism Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:42:47 AM
Outreach to People of Color is happening See pococcupywallstreet.tumblr.com and join http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/activism/organizing/callpeople-color-occupywallstreet-people-color-working-group/ -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of shaista husain Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:35 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street: Manissa McCleave Maharawal on struggling with racism Yes, Thanks for posting this, i felt same way since day one, lack of immigrant and people of color, as well as the dismissing of efforts to organize here to be more actively inclusive. Manissa as well as many other immigrants have come together, we had a meeting two nights ago on how to constructively address this problem. We would like to join the outreach efforts to diversify the body and create working group on global democracy and economics that stand in solidarity with occupations across the world who reflect our needs for global justice against wall street and its allies, the pentagon, the UN/NATO--we do not see wall street separate from the imperialist state apparatus. We live day to day in the dismissive culture of american chauvinism, we face insidious forms of outright and silenced discrimination, we are struggling to participate in this occupation so that issues of race, immigration, gender are not sidellined but part of the center core practice of decolonizing wall street. We are part of this occupation. We stand in solidarity. We need to discuss ways to outreach more people of color and address issues of race and immigrant rights here where our voices can be welcomed. YEs, these politics are "finance" related--as is the war on terror- as is the prison hunger strike and requires a solid understanding of how marginalized communities must be actively included in the outreach efforts and once people come in they are welcomed and included. This is why i proposed a working group on Global Democracy and Economics (perhaps as part of the Education Working group, as well as outreach--and media--across the spectrum of working groups) with a clear aim and goal to include minority groups and disenfranchised peoples into the protest movement, in every sector--as NATURAL ALLIES--and participants. in solidarity, Shaista On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Friedman <lycophidion@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.leftturn.org/so-real-it-hurts-notes-occupy-wall-street > > So Real it Hurts - Notes on Occupy Wall Street > By: > Manissa McCleave Maharawal
> Date Published: > October 4, 2011 > > I first went down to Occupy Wall Street last Sunday, almost a week > after it had started. I didn't go down before because I, like many of > my other brown friends, was wary of what we had heard or just intuited > that it was mostly a young, white male scene. When I asked friends > about it they said different things: that it was really white; that it > was all people they didn't know; and that they weren't sure what was > going on. But after hearing about the arrests and police brutality on > Saturday, September 24th and after hearing that thousands of people > had turned up for their march I decided I needed to see this thing for > myself. > [.....] > > > > > Michael Friedman, Ph.D. > Visiting Scientist > Sackler Institute for Comparative Genomics > American Museum of Natural History > 79th Street and Central Park West > New York, NY 10024 > Cell: 718-812-4246 > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:32 PM, <september17@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> Today's Topic Summary >> >> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/september17/topics >> >> Sound Permit [2 Updates] >> Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches in the >> Horizon [5 Updates] >> OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 [3 Updates] >> Propaganda [2 Updates] >> The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR [3 >> Updates] >> persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com [1 Update] >> Welcome Flyer [1 Update] >> Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS [5 >> Updates] >> Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY [2 Updates] >> URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence [1 Update] >> >> Topic: Sound Permit >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:42PM -0500 ^ >> >> Here's an article about the power of the human mic. I also think the human >> mic is part of our magic and I think we should keep it. >>
>> http://www.thenation.com/blog/163767/we-are-all-human-microphones-now?rel=emailNation >> >> >> >> gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:22PM -0400 ^ >> >> The human mic, which is so patiently and tenderly transmitting different >> points of view, is one of the most moving things to witness at OWS. >> >> It is however, inefficient in larger crowds. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: Direct Participatory Democratic Network - Where Revolution Streches >> in the Horizon >> >> "Richard S." <chardsinger@yahoo.com> Oct 04 02:19PM -0700 ^ >> >> Although I am not an active participant or Liberty Plaza Park camper >> right now, I cannot resist answering some of the messages/ideas >> expressed on this e-mail list. If people feel I shouldn't be doing >> so, just let me know... >> >> Ale, I have two concerns when I read your description/message below. >> One is that in your idea about why we are marching (and I still can >> include myself in that "we" because I have been marching with many of >> you a lot of the time), you seem to have forgotten about the very >> crushing, real, concrete economic hardship that is being inflicted on >> so many of us, about the crisis of unemployment in a society in which >> employment is required - at least at some point - for survival (and is >> also used by many as a measure of one's worthiness to participate in >> society), and about the absurd inequality of our economic system. I >> thought inequality was one of the main reasons that we are marching. >> So, I am always baffled by your repeated insistence on dropping >> "egalite" from the "song" that you think we should chant. >> >> Secondly, I love the idea of general assemblies spreading throughout >> the world to practice and create direct participatory democracy. >> However, I hope that the concept of direct, participatory democracy >> being pursued does not have to include all the features of consensus >> process (or a particular kind of consensus process) that have been >> popular with activist groups for a while. (People who don't know say >> this is all new, but I know it isn't. When I first joined the GA, I >> was surprised at how many details and gimmicks in the process were >> identical to what I'd seen in Direct Action Network a dozen years >> ago.) My biggest fear in this area is with regard to the danger that >> consensus process has begun to be seen as a necessary ingredient in >> direct democracy (which it most certainly is not). I have heard that >> the GAs are really falling back on a form of majority voting pretty >> often anyway (is this true?), but I think that the emphasis on >> consensus, and the equation of many people (especially the newer >> activists) between consensus and "real democracy" would be a drag on >> the effectiveness and popularity of general assemblies in general. I >> am also concerned that the movement for democratic assemblies might be >> dragged down by the numerous gimmicks that are peculiar to this trend
>> in process, but which I don't see as necessary - e.g., everything from >> "vibes watching" to certain identity-based concepts of the progressive >> stack to the twinkling of fingers (I don't mind "twinkling," I do it >> myself :) - but a lot of people don't see that as necessary at all). >> >> Because of time limits, I can't really comment adequately re. other >> thoughts that have occurred to me. However, I will add that I don't >> see all concerns related to all different "dissent social >> movements" (which is a broad enough category to be very changeable and >> debatable) as being "points" from which the social struggle and >> eventual revolution (I hope) to oppose and replace the present social>> economic system can be waged with equal significance or >> effectiveness. (Hoping that sentence is not too convoluted, but >> again, my eloquence in this matter is limited by time, as I am a very >> slow writer.) And while I know this is a terrible heresy here and >> now, I do think that one "concern" and source of struggle that can >> unite the broadest range of people in a struggle against the root of >> our problems is class. I would say, "class" as a concept that can be >> debated, studied, updated beyond the usual stereotypical assumptions, >> but class nonetheless, based on people's economic role in the >> society. (Call me a dated old Marxist, if you like - though I was an >> anarchist activist first, well acquainted with these many supposedly >> "new" approaches a good number of years ago.) >> >> And, on a related point - or back to the first point - I also kind of >> thought we were marching to address issues of economic power and >> control that have been neglected by fashionable activist movements in >> our area for decades, which is one major reason we find ourselves in >> the present social disaster. >> >> Anyway, I hope this message has not been too cumbersome, and once >> again, if I am too detached from the group (at least in physical >> presence) to be offering such lengthy and somewhat dissenting >> opinions, you (all) should just tell me, and I will take that into >> major consideration. :) >> >> Richard >> >> On Oct 4, 3:36 pm, "Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho" >> >> >> >> Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:32PM -0400 ^ >> >> We need a one-line SOMETHING. I don't care if it's a demand, a definition, >> a purpose, or whatever, but we need a snappy, inspiring, and easily >> communicable idea so people can quickly understand what we're about. "We >> are a human struggle against oppression in all its forms" is a good start, >> but it's kind of a tounge-twister. I firmly believe we can come up with >> something of a similar sentiment that so simple, so universal, so >> immediately true that even my idiot cousin in the Tea Party will hear it and >> say "wow, that makes way more sense than this Tea Party shit" and come join >> this movement. A simple idea that can spread like wildfire. >> >> >> Solidarity,
>> >> Jon >> >> >> *Tea Partiers themselves are not always bad people, they're just confused, >> angry, and so eager to do SOMETHING that they're grabbing onto the toxic >> messages of hatred that Big Business is packaging as a populist movement. >> It's exactly the same way that the fascists were able to take power in the >> 1930s: by appealing to the worst instincts of people. If we can figure out >> how to inspire people's best instincts instead, they will come to us in >> droves. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho < >> >> >> >> Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:42PM -0400 ^ >> >> "True freedom for all people, forever." >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:01PM -0400 ^ >> >> Against the massive concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a >> select few. >> >> --glj >> >> >> >> >> gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 06:20PM -0400 ^ >> >> I actually think any economic issues are wholly subsumed by environmental >> issues - you can't eat money - having said that, perhaps it's time for a >> movie break (even if it is mainly economic)! >> >> http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupyeverywhere.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Topic: OccupyWallStreet Economic Statement Draft 1 >> >> shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 03:58PM -0400 ^ >>
>> Goals/demands/visions are all the same thing, it is a program, a collective >> consciousness and raison d'etre, some basic agreements of good faith between >> ourselves--there is much to celebrate here, unity is success. Now, this >> collective consciousness is not fixed but in transformation. We need NOT be >> afraid of demands/goals/visions/program, as we have already accomplished a >> major democratic feat : we have established that it will be a LIVING >> DOCUMENT; that it can by modified in time, elaborated upon, examined, >> clarified and worked out according to lessons collectively learned. We >> should begin to take ourselves in good faith and put forth a basic agenda, >> demands, etc, whatever we decide how little or how much, even if that is >> just posing certain questions to the media to the world, to address the >> public audience---our goal is to increase our base and support in the >> public, ie. grow in number--which we must do through our outreach. With this >> purpose in mind, using our own instruments of dissemination, we are quite >> capable of conveying tools of empowerment to the public at large--our >> success lies not only internal dialogue and diversity, but in our public >> support and its growth and further transformation.... open ended platform. >> >> One thing to always keep in mind, that is currently missing in our day to >> day program, is a sober examination of the international GA's, their lessons >> and their successes. We must stand together with international occupations, >> not only do they give us valuable tools, but also inform us on economic >> models for consideration. These alliances increase our constituency >> exponentially on a global level and also correct us from playing into >> american chauvinism, something that we all take for granted. WE MUST STAND >> in solidarity with global protest movements in the world. We are not alone. >> We need to address our economy in context of demands emerging from other >> occupations as well as our domestic crisis. This is what WALL STREET and the >> US WAR machine completely fails to do. This is where our goals and demands >> not only become meaningful on a national level, but in solidarity with other >> GAs we find that our solutions are not only really possible, completely >> feasible and rational, but they are in harmony with a future that must come >> to pass on this planet. >> One of the main goals of forming a working group on Economy and Global >> Democracy would be to ally ourselves and build bridges with other other >> occupations, exchange notes, present this to the body, also good tidings of >> victory as well as lessons mistakes crisis, we have 90 cities in the US to >> also ally ourselves with. All news of our brothers and sisters fighting >> under more austere more violent, more life and death situations so >> courageously, this gives us more power and legitimacy than any newspaper in >> the world. Let us reverberate globally in outrage and welcome all protest, >> reclaim our place in the world that has been hijacked by greedy warmongers, >> imperialists, who neither represent us nor profit us in any way and destroy >> movements for progress and democracy all across the earth. We are global >> democratic citizens. This is a global movement. >> Peace and Love, >> Shaista >> >> >> >> >> Cesar <wintersiroco@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:07PM -0400 ^ >> >> I do not expect nothing but populist concesions. If they start to work for >> the people tomorrow, great, it will advance our goals, but our strategy is >> to grow our power.
>> Cesar >> >> >> Sent from phone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:58PM -0400 ^ >> >> But we aren't protesting one thing, like the Iraq war. If you look at >> photos of the signs people carry, their are multiple issues. I have argued >> that we could make the one demand - get corporate money out of politics >> and many of the other issues would, and should, be resolved in a real >> democracy according to what the majority of the people want v. what will >> profit the plutocracy greatest. >> >> However there is quite a bit of resistance to boiling it all down to one >> demand on the part of some of the most active and passionate occupiers, and >> to allow it to be an evolving and organic process - and so I tend to think >> it's up to the press, like Matt T., to explain THAT position, rather than >> pressure OWS to capitulate. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: Propaganda >> >> <frogman@networkpimps.com> Oct 04 05:48PM -0400 ^ >> >> Here is another FOX News story that can have a negative impact. Who >> recruited Anonymous' involvement anyway? >> >> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/04/hacker-group-anonymous-threatens-to-attack-stockexchange/ >> >> >> >> Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> Oct 04 02:55PM -0700 ^ >> >> Nobody did. They're acting on their own, the plan is stupid. I know >> the details of it and I'm pretty sure it's either a false flag op or >> something put together by a clueless group. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:27PM -0500 ^ >> >> This sound sangerous to me also >>
>> On 10/04/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR >> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>
>> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >> >> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >> >> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com>
>> >> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >> >> William Schwartz >> >> 917.385.5047 >> >> Connect! >> >> http://twitter.com/2William >> >> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you joking! >> >> >> >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:36PM -0500 ^ >> >> I actually think your stategy is backward. The way i see it first you get >> large numbers of people to join by showing how reasonable you are. Then when >> the numbers are big enough, they will feel their oats, get impatient, and >> start demanding more than you could have imagined. (Never underestimate mob >> mentality.) But if you talk about overthrowing governments, capitalism or >> wholesale changes, most of the 99% will be scared off, and we'll never have >> the power we need to affect real change. In order to fight the global >> coporations I estimate we need a minimum of 15 million Americans on the >> street. There are not 15 million radical socialist/anarchists in the US. We >> need people without political agendas, but with anger at coporations. >> >> I am also wary of using PR firms, by the way. (Athough the fact that anyone >> can call and be a "spokesman" shows one of our weaknesses.) >> >> On 10/04/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: >> >> Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS >> "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The >> radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the >> occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the >> square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class >> warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall >> tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. >> >> While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help >> change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any >> reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they >> will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected >> and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as >> well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. >> >> But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have >> serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I >> think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more >> radical point of view in a reasonable way.
>> >> On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR >> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >> >> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >>
>> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >> >> William Schwartz >> >> 917.385.5047 >> >> Connect! >> >> http://twitter.com/2William >> >> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you joking! >> >> >> >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:37PM -0500 ^ >> >> +1 >> >> On 10/04/11, Will Gauss<willgauss@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> To protect us from people lying about representing us, put to a vote at the >> GA today that we make a blanket statement informing the media that no >> company speaks for us and to reject any speaker who claims otherwise as a >> liar. >> >> Then, form a working group to select -individuals- who are authorized to >> speak for us. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Beware of corporate co-optation in all its guises. They want to "help" #OWS >> for a reason. >> >> To maintain our authenticity we must reject all corporate influence. We must >> not become a corporate sponsored movement. >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: >> >> Just heard a guy at the Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC, who called in as an OWS >> "spokesperson" and claimed to be "in charge of security at the park." The >> radio show was about how Wall Street traders and workers feel about the >> occupation. He said that he wanted the radio conversation to happen in the >> square (on which I can agree) and then added that OWS is not about class >> warfare but about getting things done and bringing about change. The overall >> tone was that of a reassuring middle-class guy speaking to middle America. >> >> While this communicative style may help expand our ranks, it will also help >> change the social composition of the movement in such a way that if any
>> reforms are ever passed, they will be probably so watered-down that they >> will change in fact nothing. I am not sure how spokespersons are selected >> and whether this guy (who claimed to have appeared on several TV programs as >> well) has anything to do with the PR firm mentioned in this thread. >> >> But I want to raise the point that this way of communicating can have >> serious political consequences, some of which may not be that desirable. I >> think we should try and select spokespersons who are able to express a more >> radical point of view in a reasonable way. >> >> On 10/4/11 9:25 AM, Doug Singsen wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> Sent from my phone >> >> On Oct 4, 2011 8:19 AM, "Jon Good" <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> WTF? I appreciate that folks are eager to help, but I am very, very wary of >> this. It could be really nice to have their noise machine at our disposal, >> but in general, using the structures and systems of huge corporations >> presents a danger of this movement acting like corporation. >> >> Also, I'm fairly sure no entity can be the "official" anything of Occupy >> Wall Street without passing consensus in the GA. >> >> Public relations, generally, is about controlling peoples' perceptions and >> ideas about certain things. We shouldn't do this, because it's antithetical >> to participatory democracy. Moreover, we haven't defined ourselves or >> consensed upon demands, so any of their usual schtick would be hijacking the >> process of defining us. >> >> I would welcome their suggestions for strategies for reaching large numbers >> of people, and would welcome their considerable skills to talk us up in the >> media, but OWS is not their client and a corporate firm should probably not >> "represent" us in any sense of the word. >> >> Solidarity, >> >> Jon >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:20 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone else from this list been in discussion with Workhouse PR? Just >> trying to understand if we are outsourcing "PR" work. >> >> -justin >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:14 AM >> >> Subject: Re: The PR company I told you was "representing" OWS Fwd: Workhouse >> PR
>> >> To: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >> >> Certainly and of course! Please be sure to keep me in the loop going >> forward, thanks. >> >> -Rebecca >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:50 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rebecca, >> >> Can I forward this info about Workhouse PR onto the september 17 listserv? >> >> I just want to make sure that everyone is aware of the conversations going >> on about PR. >> >> -justin >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM, RM <rebeccaction@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Justin, >> >> Nice to meet you briefly today. >> >> Here's a FW from my roommate, who runs the occupyinfo twitter account. He >> was contacted by Workhouse PR, which does work for big clients like Saks >> Fifth Avenue. >> >> He said they seemed well-intentioned and were volunteering their time. >> Here's a link to an article or two about this release to the media they did >> about Saturday's protests: >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/10/03/2011-1003_occupy_wall_street_protesters_picked_up_by_public_relations_firm_workhouse_probo.html >> >> http://gawker.com/5846154/occupy-wall-street-gets-much+needed-help-from-pr-firm >> >> We should both be in touch with these folks, right? >> >> Would you do me a favor and cc: me on your correspondence? And I will do the >> same. >> >> Be well, >> >> -Rebecca >> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:55 PM >> >> Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR >> >> To: rebeccaction@gmail.com
>> >> ---------- Forwardedmessage--------->> >> From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com> >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Workhouse PR >> >> To: Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> >> >> Well they are volunteering their help. I just chatted them up on twitter. >> There was an article in the New York Post about it too. >> >> William Schwartz >> >> 917.385.5047 >> >> Connect! >> >> http://twitter.com/2William >> >> On 3 October 2011 18:47, Rebecca Manski <rebaleh@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Are you joking! >> >> >> >> >> Topic: persons running wearethe99percent.tumblr.com >> >> Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> Oct 04 02:25PM -0700 ^ >> >> Can the persons running http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ please email me >> off-list. We are getting contacted by journalists who want to speak with >> you. >> >> (By the way, I think you should win a webby - it is a wonderful site!) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> Topic: Welcome Flyer >> >> jemcgloin@verizon.net Oct 04 04:23PM -0500 ^ >> >> Very cool, maybe a quick run through of general assembly prodedures and how >> to find a working group? >> >> On 10/04/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >>
>> I know we have a NYC GA pamphlet, but I wanted to create something that we >> could give to new campers upon arrival at the Welcome Centers. >> >> Here's my start on it: >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ql4xnJO1y5kChYhoSCDDImMZZkPSvycCovhGGCb0BNM/edit? hl=en_US >> >> It lays out basic rules, info about the park/neighborhood/etc. It is by no >> means exhaustive, but it's a start. >> >> What do people think? >> >> -justin >> >> >> >> Topic: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar rally on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS >> >> Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:20PM -0400 ^ >> >> It was originally going to be targeted at 3 embassies in Midtown, but the >> United National Antiwar Committee (UNAC) voted to move it downtown. >> >> *Wall Street Is War Street* >> >> *On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan* >> >> *NO to Endless WARS!***** >> >> *Sat. OCT. 15**,* >> >> *Noon Rally at Wall Street* >> >> *March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment* >> >> *Liberty & Broadway* >> >> * * >> >> *Oct. 15 is a day of nationally coordinated antiwar actions in cities across >> the U.S., the 10th anniversary of the massively destructive and criminal >> U.S. war on Afghanistan.* >> >> ** ** >> >> When the U.S. government began its attack on Afghanistan 10 years ago, >> President Bush called it a war on terror. It was followed by 8 years of >> U.S. war Iraq and now war in Libya and drone wars on Pakistan, Yemen, >> Somalia and Sudan under Pres. Obama. These are all wars for oil, resources >> and markets in the interests of corporate power.**** >> >> At the same time, the U.S. government is carrying out attacks on working >> people within the U.S., cutting back on health care and education while >> bailing out the Wall St. banks and insurance companies. Every time people >> call for money for social services, we are told there is no money, but the
>> government always finds money for its wars. It is increasing repression on >> Muslims, on Black and Latino youth and on those who protest, as the FBI >> raids on anti-war demonstrators and the NYPD attacks on the peaceful Occupy >> Wall St. demonstrators show.**** >> >> Join us in a march to demand an end to U.S. wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, an >> end to U.S. aid to Israel, and an end to U.S. bombing and destruction in >> Libya and an end to the growing repression at home.**** >> >> *We NEED***** >> >> *Jobs, Health Care & Education***** >> >> *NOT***** >> >> *War, Racism & Repression* >> >> *--------------------------------***** >> >> Followed by a *4 pm Solidarity Meeting* with Carlos Montes, a speaker from >> the Victor Toro Defense Committee, immigrant rights and antiwar activists >> facing government attack and phony charges, and Cyrus McGoldrick from the NY >> Council on American Islamic Relations.**** >> >> *At Judson Memorial Church, Washington Square South & Thompson St., NYC* >> >> Called by: United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), >> www.UNACpeace.org<http://www.unacpeace.org/> >> >> >> >> Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:24PM -0400 ^ >> >> BTW, this is marking the tenth anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan, >> which is also the start date for the October2011 occupation in Washington, >> DC, which starts on Thursday. The NYC march was moved back a week from the >> anniversary date so it wouldn't conflict with the DC occupation. >> >> >> >> >> shaista husain <shaistahusain@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:29PM -0400 ^ >> >> Great how show of support from UNAC >> >> >> >> >> Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:31PM -0400 ^ >> >> UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation. >> >> >> >> >> lisajensky@gmail.com Oct 04 08:37PM ^
>> >> This is great! >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:31:37 >> To: <september17@googlegroups.com> >> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Wall Street is War Street: Antiwar >> rally >> on Sat, Oct 15 moved to OWS >> >> UNAC is also an endorser/participant in the DC occupation. >> >> >> >> >> Topic: Miami Herald - Phone interview - TODAY >> >> Vicente Rubio <vrubiopu@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:06PM -0400 ^ >> >> A Miami Herald jounalist is looking for a Latinamerican OWS organizer to >> interview by phone asap. Please write to moralesisa@gmail.com. >> >> 2011/10/4 Yotam Marom <yotam.marom@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> Oct 04 04:23PM -0400 ^ >> >> I am puerto rican raised in tennessee if that fits anywhere? >> >>>> Hi friends. >> >>>> I wrote a piece about the occupation. Figured I'd put it up here in case >>>> people find it useful in some way. >> >> http://www.zcommunications.org/a-brief-analysis-from-a-wall-street-occupier-by-yotam-marom >> >> >> >> Topic: URGENT: Safer Spaces and Non-violence >> >> Sarah <miss.quintessential01@gmail.com> Oct 03 10:59PM -0400 ^ >> >> Thank you SO MUCH for addressing this. I'm looking forward to hearing back >> from the meeting, and will see what I can do to help maintain a a truly >> safer space at OWS. >> >> Best, >> Sarah >>
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Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:32PM -0400 ^

Will Gauss <willgauss@gmail.com> Oct 04 05:42PM -0400 ^

"True freedom for all people, forever."

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Subject: Fwd: Workhouse PR

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From: William Schwartz <will.js1@gmail.com>

Wall Street Is War Street

On the 10th Anniversary of U.S. War in Afghanistan

Noon Rally at Wall Street

March to Occupy Wall Street Encampment

Liberty & Broadway

War, Racism & Repression