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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test] Friday, September 23, 2011 7:46:09 PM
+1! Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:05 PM, gabjoh2@gmail.com wrote: This is a terribly intriguing and delicious idea. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobrien@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:57:38 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test]
Suggestion for #occupywallstreet Political discourse in the US has devolved into three rhetorical devices: demagoguery, false hope, and parody. Symptoms of a broken nation. When our elections are owned by citizens, my hunch is every other important organization and institution just might (most definitely will) follow suit. Obtain a permit from the Mayor's Office for Film and Television to film a reality show of #occupywallstreet. Approach Teamsters for transp and IATSE Local 52 for Grip, Electric, and Set building to run temp entertainment power and build structures that would not require building permits. It is legal to#takewallstreet in the United States of America and New York City when you are a spectacle and parody, but not if you are the real deal. The scenario would test the power structure of the unions (do they belong to rank
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
and file), the independence of the NYC GA, and the very notion of the first amendment and local, state, and federal government. Ideology will not save us, just and stable institutions will. -Alexa O'Brien
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test] Friday, September 23, 2011 8:56:04 PM
I have to say as an old person I am shocked that Wall Street is being blocked off for "security" which is what a cop told me. Since when is a peaceful protest a "security" problem? Why are we occupying Zuccotti and not Wall Street? Why are we moving along when commanded to do so by the police? It's kinda crazy. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: +1! Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:05 PM, gabjoh2@gmail.com wrote: This is a terribly intriguing and delicious idea. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobrien@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:57:38 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test]
Suggestion for #occupywallstreet Political discourse in the US has devolved into three rhetorical devices: demagoguery, false hope, and parody. Symptoms of a broken nation. When our elections are owned by citizens, my hunch is every other important organization and institution just might (most definitely will) follow suit.
Obtain a permit from the Mayor's Office for Film and Television to film a reality show of #occupywallstreet. Approach Teamsters for transp and IATSE Local 52 for Grip, Electric, and Set building to run temp entertainment power and build structures that would not require building permits. It is legal to#takewallstreet in the United States of America and New York City when you are a spectacle and parody, but not if you are the real deal. The scenario would test the power structure of the unions (do they belong to rank and file), the independence of the NYC GA, and the very notion of the first amendment and local, state, and federal government. Ideology will not save us, just and stable institutions will. -Alexa O'Brien
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test] Friday, September 23, 2011 7:05:50 PM
This is a terribly intriguing and delicious idea. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: "Alexa D. O'Brien" <alexaobrien@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:57:38 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] [Strategic Suggestion and Test]
Suggestion for#occupywallstreetPolitical discourse in the US has devolved into three rhetorical devices: demagoguery, false hope, and parody. Symptoms of a broken nation. When our elections are owned by citizens, my hunch is every other important organization and institution just might (most definitely will) follow suit. Obtain a permit from the Mayor's Office for Film and Television to film a reality show of#occupywallstreet. Approach Teamsters for transp and IATSE Local 52 for Grip, Electric, and Set building to run temp entertainment power and build structures that would not require building permits. It is legal to#takewallstreetin the United States of America and New York City when you are a spectacle and parody, but not if you are the real deal. The scenario would test the power structure of the unions (do they belong to rank and file), the independence of the NYC GA, and the very notion of the first amendment and local, state, and federal government. Ideology will not save us, just and stable institutions will. -Alexa O'Brien
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:55:02 PM
Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. Micah On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. H.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." Support, but fear of coming to the park. :(
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:34:51 PM
Yeah I was referencing the video on occupywallst.org. In thinking abt this today I'm wondering if you can have a seperate space on the site for news of arrests so that the central focus can be of the message and the mission to end corporate control and the actions that will take us there, to transformative, systematic, sustainable change. On Sep 21, 2011 3:47 PM, "Harrison Schultz" <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I > wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days > of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, > > Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I > think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our > demand/message to move in. > > H. > > > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a >> journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park >> and his response is as follows: >> >> "@*grimwomyn* <http://twitter.com/#%21/grimwomyn> The second post down >> makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." >> >> Support, but fear of coming to the park. :( >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:32:05 PM
Just been trawling the blogs for people's comments. A lot of stuff coming up about lack of coverage in the mainstream media and many people I speak to around NYC have no idea what's going on. RSN (Reader Supported news) has put together a good page which is being constantly updated. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupy-wall-streettake-the-bull-by-the-horns I include a couple of comments from their site below re media. I think we all need to start having some more creative discussions about ways in which we can start to put pressure on some media outlets to cover the sit-in. Amy Goodman and Michael Moore have both hit the nail on the head when they make the tea party comparison. The Murdoch News of the world scandal in the UK has introduced the potential to dramatically shift the public's perspective of mainstream media with the unvarnished revelations of criminality and its insidious relationship to the state apparatus. Things here haven't reached that point yet -- however, rivalry between select networks and broadsheets has never been so intense as these companies fight for their share in an increasingly unstable market. All you have to do is look at the extraordinary coverage the NYT gave to the phone hacking scandal - dozens of page 1 specials above the fold - and understand that they may have been motivated by something over than the pursuit of truth :-) I realise that this may seem like a farfetched analogy but when I saw the articles on the Yahoo censorship that started to pop up it made me start thinking about all of this stuff. What if we did send delegations to midtown to protest outside media organisations? And we start making lack of media coverage a story in and of itself? Thoughts anyone?
# Torvus
2011-09-19 15:03
+8
And reading the comments about lack of sufficient media coverage, maybe protestors should demonstrate outside some of the media's centres of operation? If certain of the media are so negatively selective in disseminating demonstrators news and views, what is their news 'coverage' worth? That should get exposure and an overhaul along with Wall Street. +8
# Dave45
2011-09-19 21:02
This is so great to see. Wouldn't it be great if "Occupy Wall Street" was only part one, with part two being a similar occupation of the media giants who refuse to cover part one (or anything else slightly out of the ordinary that is beneficial for common people).Obama--pay attention!The White House could be next.
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -- however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. Micah On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. H.
Yes, another thing I have been thinking about is photobombing the morning shows, good morning america, et al. The thing is you have to look like a tourist and then you can unfurl a banner and start shouting in front of the cameras.... Also actions in times square would be great as it is public space with people from all over the country. And the country wants this more than anything, minds are already open, they just need the information. Solidarity y besos On Sep 21, 2011 4:32 PM, "Joshua van Praag" <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > Just been trawling the blogs for people's comments. A lot of stuff coming up about lack of coverage in the mainstream media and many people I speak to around NYC have no idea what's going on. RSN (Reader Supported news) has put together a good page which is being constantly updated. > > http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupy-wall-streettake-the-bull-by-the-horns > > I include a couple of comments from their site below re media. I think we all need to start having some more creative discussions about ways in which we can start to put pressure on some media outlets to cover the sit-in. Amy Goodman and Michael Moore have both hit the nail on the head when they make the tea party comparison. > > The Murdoch News of the world scandal in the UK has introduced the potential to dramatically shift the public's perspective of mainstream media with the unvarnished revelations of criminality and its insidious relationship to the state apparatus. > > Things here haven't reached that point yet -- however, rivalry between select networks and broadsheets has never been so intense as these companies fight for their share in an increasingly unstable market. All you have to do is look at the extraordinary coverage the NYT gave to the phone hacking scandal - dozens of page 1 specials above the fold - and understand that they may have been motivated by something over than the pursuit of truth :-) I realise that this may seem like a farfetched analogy but when I saw the articles on the Yahoo censorship that started to pop up it made me start thinking about all of this stuff. What if we did send delegations to midtown to protest outside media organisations? And we start making lack of media coverage a story in and of itself? > > Thoughts anyone? > > > >
> +8# Torvus 2011-09-19 15:03 > And reading the comments about lack of sufficient media coverage, maybe protestors should demonstrate outside some of the media's centres of operation? If certain of the media are so negatively selective in disseminating demonstrators news and views, what is their news 'coverage' worth? That should get exposure and an overhaul along with Wall Street. > > > > +8# Dave45 2011-09-19 21:02 > This is so great to see. Wouldn't it be great if "Occupy Wall Street" was only part one, with part two being a similar occupation of the media giants who refuse to cover part one (or anything else slightly out of the ordinary that is beneficial for common people).Obama--pay attention!The White House could be next. > > > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpraag@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org >> >> Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. >> >> Micah >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >> I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, >> >> Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. >> >> H. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a
journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: >> >> "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." >> >> Support, but fear of coming to the park. :( >> >>
Great I have a friend who works in tv and can give us the run down on access and locations and times I will gather info tonight On Sep 21, 2011 5:13 PM, "Joshua van Praag" <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > Def behind these suggestions and could help coordinate a street team, complete with video crew. We should talk to Vlad and co about this stuff and hear his ideas. He's done some great stuff with projections at night in the city too. > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpraag@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:48 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, another thing I have been thinking about is photobombing the morning shows, good morning america, et al. The thing is you have to look like a tourist and then you can unfurl a banner and start shouting in front of the cameras.... >> >> Also actions in times square would be great as it is public space with people from all over the country. >> >> And the country wants this more than anything, minds are already open, they just need the information. >> >> Solidarity y besos >> >> On Sep 21, 2011 4:32 PM, "Joshua van Praag" <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: >> > Just been trawling the blogs for people's comments. A lot of stuff coming up about lack of coverage in the mainstream media and many people I speak to around NYC have no idea what's going on. RSN (Reader Supported news) has put together a good page which is being constantly updated. >> > >> > http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupy-wallstreet-take-the-bull-by-the-horns >> > >> > I include a couple of comments from their site below re media. I think we all need to start having some more creative discussions about ways in which we can start to put pressure on some media outlets to cover the sit-in. Amy Goodman and Michael Moore have both hit the nail on the head when they make the tea party comparison. >> > >> > The Murdoch News of the world scandal in the UK has introduced the potential to dramatically shift the public's perspective of mainstream media with the unvarnished revelations of criminality and its insidious relationship to the state apparatus.
>> > >> > Things here haven't reached that point yet -- however, rivalry between select networks and broadsheets has never been so intense as these companies fight for their share in an increasingly unstable market. All you have to do is look at the extraordinary coverage the NYT gave to the phone hacking scandal - dozens of page 1 specials above the fold - and understand that they may have been motivated by something over than the pursuit of truth :-) I realise that this may seem like a farfetched analogy but when I saw the articles on the Yahoo censorship that started to pop up it made me start thinking about all of this stuff. What if we did send delegations to midtown to protest outside media organisations? And we start making lack of media coverage a story in and of itself? >> > >> > Thoughts anyone? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > +8# Torvus 2011-09-19 15:03 >> > And reading the comments about lack of sufficient media coverage, maybe protestors should demonstrate outside some of the media's centres of operation? If certain of the media are so negatively selective in disseminating demonstrators news and views, what is their news 'coverage' worth? That should get exposure and an overhaul along with Wall Street. >> > >> > >> > >> > +8# Dave45 2011-09-19 21:02 >> > This is so great to see. Wouldn't it be great if "Occupy Wall Street" was only part one, with part two being a similar occupation of the media giants who refuse to cover part one (or anything else slightly out of the ordinary that is beneficial for common people).Obama--pay attention!The White House could be next. >> > >> > >> > >> > Joshua van Praag >> > jvanpraag@me.com >> > >> > +1.347.445.8315 >> > +44.(0)7787.896952 >> > >> > On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org >> >> >> >> Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -- however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. >> >> >> >> Micah >> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, >> >> >> >> Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. >> >> >> >> H. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: >> >> >> >> "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." >> >> >> >> Support, but fear of coming to the park. :( >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:13:13 PM
Def behind these suggestions and could help coordinate a street team, complete with video crew. We should talk to Vlad and co about this stuff and hear his ideas. He's done some great stuff with projections at night in the city too. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:48 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, another thing I have been thinking about is photobombing the morning shows, good morning america, et al. The thing is you have to look like a tourist and then you can unfurl a banner and start shouting in front of the cameras.... Also actions in times square would be great as it is public space with people from all over the country. And the country wants this more than anything, minds are already open, they just need the information. Solidarity y besos On Sep 21, 2011 4:32 PM, "Joshua van Praag" <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: > Just been trawling the blogs for people's comments. A lot of stuff coming up about lack of coverage in the mainstream media and many people I speak to around NYC have no idea what's going on. RSN (Reader Supported news) has put together a good page which is being constantly updated. > > http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupywall-street-take-the-bull-by-the-horns > > I include a couple of comments from their site below re media. I think we all need to start having some more creative discussions about ways in which we can start to put pressure on some media outlets to cover the sit-in. Amy Goodman and Michael Moore have both hit the nail on the head when they make the tea party comparison. > > The Murdoch News of the world scandal in the UK has introduced the potential to dramatically shift the public's perspective of mainstream media with the unvarnished revelations of criminality and its insidious relationship to the state apparatus. >
> Things here haven't reached that point yet -- however, rivalry between select networks and broadsheets has never been so intense as these companies fight for their share in an increasingly unstable market. All you have to do is look at the extraordinary coverage the NYT gave to the phone hacking scandal - dozens of page 1 specials above the fold - and understand that they may have been motivated by something over than the pursuit of truth :-) I realise that this may seem like a far-fetched analogy but when I saw the articles on the Yahoo censorship that started to pop up it made me start thinking about all of this stuff. What if we did send delegations to midtown to protest outside media organisations? And we start making lack of media coverage a story in and of itself? > > Thoughts anyone? > > > > > +8# Torvus 2011-09-19 15:03 > And reading the comments about lack of sufficient media coverage, maybe protestors should demonstrate outside some of the media's centres of operation? If certain of the media are so negatively selective in disseminating demonstrators news and views, what is their news 'coverage' worth? That should get exposure and an overhaul along with Wall Street. > > > > +8# Dave45 2011-09-19 21:02 > This is so great to see. Wouldn't it be great if "Occupy Wall Street" was only part one, with part two being a similar occupation of the media giants who refuse to cover part one (or anything else slightly out of the ordinary that is beneficial for common people).Obama--pay attention!The White House could be next. > > > > Joshua van Praag > jvanpraag@me.com > > +1.347.445.8315 > +44.(0)7787.896952 > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org >> >> Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -- however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. >>
>> Micah >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >> I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, >> >> Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. >> >> H. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: >> >> "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay." >> >> Support, but fear of coming to the park. :( >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:27:29 PM
The media blackout is outrageous but not surprising considering we don't have journalism, we have propaganda, pure and simple. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Just been trawling the blogs for people's comments. A lot of stuff coming up about lack of coverage in the mainstream media and many people I speak to around NYC have no idea what's going on. RSN (Reader Supported news) has put together a good page which is being constantly updated. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/7468-occupy-wall-streettake-the-bull-by-the-horns I include a couple of comments from their site below re media. I think we all need to start having some more creative discussions about ways in which we can start to put pressure on some media outlets to cover the sit-in. Amy Goodman and Michael Moore have both hit the nail on the head when they make the tea party comparison. The Murdoch News of the world scandal in the UK has introduced the potential to dramatically shift the public's perspective of mainstream media with the unvarnished revelations of criminality and its insidious relationship to the state apparatus. Things here haven't reached that point yet -- however, rivalry between select networks and broadsheets has never been so intense as these companies fight for their share in an increasingly unstable market. All you have to do is look at the extraordinary coverage the NYT gave to the phone hacking scandal - dozens of page 1 specials above the fold - and understand that they may have been motivated by something over than the pursuit of truth :-) I realise that this may seem like a far-fetched analogy but when I saw the articles on the Yahoo censorship that started to pop up it made me start thinking about all of this stuff. What if we did send delegations to midtown to protest outside media organisations? And we start making lack of media coverage a story in and of itself? Thoughts anyone?
# Torvus
2011-09-19 15:03
+8
And reading the comments about lack of sufficient media coverage, maybe protestors should demonstrate outside some of the media's centres of operation? If certain of the media are so negatively selective in disseminating demonstrators news and views, what is their news 'coverage' worth? That should get exposure and an overhaul along with Wall Street.
# Dave45
2011-09-19 21:02
+8
This is so great to see. Wouldn't it be great if "Occupy Wall Street" was only part one, with part two being a similar occupation of the media giants who refuse to cover part one (or anything else slightly out of the ordinary that is beneficial for common people).Obama--pay attention!The White House could be next.
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 21, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -- however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. Micah On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. H.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Just seconding the thought about watching out for "riot porn." I wrote to a journalist from WIRED on Twitter inviting him to spend the night in the park and his response is as follows: "@grimwomyn The second post down makes that seem pretty scary. I hope everyone is (and stays) okay."
Support, but fear of coming to the park. :(
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:23:34 PM
Micah, Please pardon the tone of my criticism, I'll do my best to keep it constructive and respectful now that I know that my point has been heard and is being discussed... which I appreciate. And please don't get me wrong Micah, I've been reading this magazine since I was a kid in high school, I've learned a lot from your publication and I have a lot of respect for Adbusters, its a big part of what inspired me to work in advertising despite the fact that I've always felt that it's evil due to my radical beliefs. Moreover I personally love the "scarier" stuff, such the rioters in gas masks behind the Bull and Ballerina, and the hooded masked rock thrower above the "Dreaming of Democracy" two page spread near the end of the latest issue #97. The startling photo of a landless indigenous peasant with her naked little girl getting shoved over by police with shields and clubs was moving as well, but in a different way since it shows the violence being perpetrated by the authorities as opposed to protesters. It gets me fired up and makes me want to work, however it's been occurring to me more and more that it turns off non-radicals. My professional opinion is that images which could be perceived as violent won't make people who would rather ignore social injustice want show up to Liberty Plaza. Grim's report on the responses to that article on occupywallst.org confirmed that for me... The scary arrest video's in question was posted on September 21st around 3pm. occupywallst.org had a record high 70,246 visits that day, the previous high was 56,356 on the 17th of September - which is good news, so I think it's fair to conclude that the violent imagery has some utility. However I also noticed that the site's "bounce rate" (people clicking and bouncing immediately off the landing page) went up a bit to 81.56%, the average amount of time spent on the site for that day went down a bit 1:38. The bounce rate for the day before was at 76.79% with an average of 2:00 minutes spent on the site. The average bounce rate for the month has been at 75.19% None of these changes from the 20th to the 21st are statistically significant however the bounce rate on this site, which has always been pretty high at about 75%, still suggests to me that the radical left of this country might be overdue for a re-brand. I'm still interested in knowing what you thought of rad/left's suggestion of a Renaissance on Wall Street and I'm still interested in knowing if there's any way I can use any of the skillz I've acquired from the adversary to assist you and your staff. At your disposal and in solidarity, Harrison Tesoura Schultz
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. Micah On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. H.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:25:34 PM
Harrison, The content of Adbusters magazine is not up for discussion. If you have anything to say about our website, as I said, email me off-list. Quite frankly, I do not think you understand what we stand for nor do I care much for your opinion Maybe you should tell everyone here what you wrote to Adbusters on August 20th. In your email you said "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." then you started talking about the benefits of a "Corporate Funded Revolution". That is a repugnant idea that I feel is quite contrary to the spirit of #OCCUPYWALLSTREET. Micah ______ Micah White senior editor / Adbusters
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Micah, Please pardon the tone of my criticism, I'll do my best to keep it constructive and respectful now that I know that my point has been heard and is being discussed... which I appreciate. And please don't get me wrong Micah, I've been reading this magazine since I was a kid in high school, I've learned a lot from your publication and I have a lot of respect for Adbusters, its a big part of what inspired me to work in advertising despite the fact that I've always felt that it's evil due to my radical beliefs. Moreover I personally love the "scarier" stuff, such the rioters in gas masks behind the Bull and Ballerina, and the hooded masked rock thrower above the "Dreaming of Democracy" two page spread near the end of the latest issue #97. The startling photo of a landless indigenous peasant with her naked little girl getting shoved over by police with shields and clubs was moving as well, but in a different way since it shows the violence being perpetrated by the authorities as opposed to protesters. It gets me fired up and makes me want to work, however it's been occurring to me more and more that it turns off non-radicals. My professional opinion is that images which could be perceived as violent won't make people who would rather ignore social injustice want show up to Liberty Plaza.
Grim's report on the responses to that article on occupywallst.org confirmed that for me... The scary arrest video's in question was posted on September 21st around 3pm. occupywallst.org had a record high 70,246 visits that day, the previous high was 56,356 on the 17th of September - which is good news, so I think it's fair to conclude that the violent imagery has some utility. However I also noticed that the site's "bounce rate" (people clicking and bouncing immediately off the landing page) went up a bit to 81.56%, the average amount of time spent on the site for that day went down a bit 1:38. The bounce rate for the day before was at 76.79% with an average of 2:00 minutes spent on the site. The average bounce rate for the month has been at 75.19% None of these changes from the 20th to the 21st are statistically significant however the bounce rate on this site, which has always been pretty high at about 75%, still suggests to me that the radical left of this country might be overdue for a re-brand. I'm still interested in knowing what you thought of rad/left's suggestion of a Renaissance on Wall Street and I'm still interested in knowing if there's any way I can use any of the skillz I've acquired from the adversary to assist you and your staff. At your disposal and in solidarity, Harrison Tesoura Schultz
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Harrison, I don't understand: there is no "riot porn" on Adbusters, and the scary video that grimwomyn is talking about is on the frontpage of your site: occupywallst.org Email me off list if you have any comments about anything on adbusters.org -however, let's be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is bringing to this occupation. Micah On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in.
H.
-____________ Micah White / micah@adbusters.org Adbusters / senior editor phone: 1-510-280-5112
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] A word about outreach Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:47:56 PM
I hope we can get this to Micah White and the AdBusters staff's attention, I wrote them a really scathing email about all this back in the quite old days of Saturday GA bickering sessions, maybe now he'll take this more seriously, Rad/left through out the phrase the "Renaissance of Wall Street" which I think sums this up. I think this is the right direction for our demand/message to move in. H.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] about you conversation with Harrison - clarification about "activist" imagery Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:36:47 PM
Following what Luis pointed out, on a more concrete fashion, regarding specific issues I've seen at Liberty Square: - There is an urgent need for establishing a clear method for engaging people willing to work with us. I've seen many people coming over different days, and it was extremely difficult to direct them to a specific working group where they could contribute with their effort, skills and interests. I've been at Liberty Square everyday and I myself still don't have an exact idea about how many groups there are, how, where and when can I help, etc. Maybe it would be useful to set fixed meeting times for working groups (probably some of them are already working that way). It would also be useful to open email accounts for different working groups, especially those focused on issues external to the functioning of the camp, so new people can be directed to those email account for more information. - Establish and publicize open activities for public in general, not only for people in the camp. The 5-7pm slot would be great for opening a series of on-going activites (talks, discussions, etc.). There should be an events working group (or whatever you want to call it) to coordinate such activities. "openforum@occupywallstreet" would be a great name. These activities could be developed at the entrance of the park (using the stairs as seats, for instance), i.e. inviting people to join, listen and participate. I know some activities have been already programmed, which is great, I just think it would be great to systematize that process a bit. - Talking about the spatial disposition, the way the general assembly develops right now (with its back turned to the street) does not help to open a dialogue with people passing by, and speaks volumes of the kind of attitudes we are talking about. - Only one general assembly each day, allowing working groups to develop further work. The GA would be then more focused on actually deciding on issues brought there by the working groups. The working groups would have more time to meet and work. Also, I've sensed that a lot of very specific issues concerning everyday organization of the camp take a lot of GA time. I profoundly admire the sacrifice and effort of those who are staying there, but the political body we are building is not only composed by them. There are people that can only contribute from the distance, or spend just a few hours there every day, and would like to participate in discussions focused on aspects related with life outside the camp. This is by no means a criticism to the facilitation team, which is doing an amazing job. In a general sense, I think these and many other initiatives would help to strengthen the idea that we are actually producing, offering something from Liberty Square to other newyorkers. Following what Luis said, this is extremely important if we want to help building a broader movement. Sorry for the long email (and my English!). Please disregard if all this is redundant. I'm sure many of you have already thought about all this, and/or are already working on these things. I've thought about sharing all this with the GA, but every time I've been there there are other discussions going on. If you think any of this
suggestions is ok, I could present them to the GA tonight. I would gladly help on that events coordination group. Please let me knwo if ther is already people working on that, or how can we get it started. See you soon, Vicente. 2011/9/21 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> Dear Micah, Please allow me to take a minute of your time in this exciting days. I'm a member of Democracia Real Ya-NYC and participant in the NYC-GA. Adbusters has done a great job and I'm so thankful for you guys starting #OccupyWallStreet. It is true though that for some of us the activist imagery you sometimes use (such us in the background of the ballerina poster) seems in risk of somewhat closing the movement to other people. From our experience in May 15th movement in Spain, one of the most important things was that people who had never been involved in politics or activism joined. This, I think is actually the distinctive feature of tha Arab Spring and European assembly movements: they are inclusive in their discourse, their imagery, and their materiality. This is why some of us in the movement are trying to push for a more open direction, and we actually are putting out a call for next Saturday that we think would be more attractive for people outside our still too homogeneous crowd right now. It would be really great if Adbusters agrees with this analysis and help us distributing this flyers, or making your own. Thanks a lot and solidarity!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] about you conversation with Harrison - clarification about "activist" imagery Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:30:38 PM
Could not agree more. On Sep 21, 2011 4:22 PM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Dear Micah, > Please allow me to take a minute of your time in this exciting days. I'm a member of Democracia Real Ya-NYC and participant in the NYC-GA. Adbusters has done a great job and I'm so thankful for you guys starting #OccupyWallStreet. It is true though that for some of us the activist imagery you sometimes use (such us in the background of the ballerina poster) seems in risk of somewhat closing the movement to other people. From our experience in May 15th movement in Spain, one of the most important things was that people who had never been involved in politics or activism joined. This, I think is actually the distinctive feature of tha Arab Spring and European assembly movements: they are inclusive in their discourse, their imagery, and their materiality. > > This is why some of us in the movement are trying to push for a more open direction, and we actually are putting out a call for next Saturday that we think would be more attractive for people outside our still too homogeneous crowd right now. It would be really great if Adbusters agrees with this analysis and help us distributing this flyers, or making your own. Thanks a lot and solidarity! >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chuck Schumer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] anybody here from NH? Friday, September 23, 2011 6:33:09 PM
I'm from Durham NH, a student at NYU. I've been attending GA's prior to the 17th and have been back to the occupation almost daily after sleeping out on Saturday. I've had a lot of press and interview experience. Please put me in touch with them! bdc259@nyu.edu, 603.978.9095 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: VenMills @OccupyWallStNYC New Hampshire newspaper interested in finding a seacoast NH resident to interview- possible story. Pls reply. 9/23/11 12:43 PM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:54:07 AM
This is great! Some of us haver organized the "We are the 99% Open Forum" which will happen daily at 6pm starting tomorrow with people explaining the recent May 15 movement in Spain, and continuing Sunday with communities from the middle east and south asia. I think it would be great to include this teach-ins in the Open Forum. Let's get together tomorrow at 6 at the stairs of Liberty Park and organize it! solidarity! On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:18 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen wrote: > Fantastic! Would you like to try to replicate something similar at the > encampment? We could make a proper weekend of teach-ins out of the > thing..."The Liberty Free University"...we could work on a better > name. > > Nico > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> Great. I also know some terrific radical intellectuals at CUNY who would >> come, came to what we called at our summer encampment outside City Hall >> "Bloombergville Free University" >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:56 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm talking these days with Kazembe, one of the main guys behind the >> Brecht Forum, about organizing speakers to give presentations in >> Zuccotti Park. The Forum has a considerable rolodex of lefties to draw >> upon, everyone from Slavoj Zizek to David Harvey to Richard Wolff, and >> the fact that he is open to working with us is fantastic. I'm >> contacting the list about the matter because >> >> 1) Kazembe has asked me to draw up a list of speakers we might like to >> see appear >> >> 2) I was personally wondering if we could make a donation to the >> Brecht Forum at some future time, if we find we have the funds for it. >> >> That's it! Thanks! >> >> Nico >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:05:17 AM
Amazing! As Luis said, let's meet asap. We are starting the Open Forum today with a talk on the 15M movement in Spain. See you soon! 2011/9/24 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> This is great! Some of us haver organized the "We are the 99% Open Forum" which will happen daily at 6pm starting tomorrow with people explaining the recent May 15 movement in Spain, and continuing Sunday with communities from the middle east and south asia. I think it would be great to include this teach-ins in the Open Forum. Let's get together tomorrow at 6 at the stairs of Liberty Park and organize it! solidarity! On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:18 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen wrote: > Fantastic! Would you like to try to replicate something similar at the > encampment? We could make a proper weekend of teach-ins out of the > thing..."The Liberty Free University"...we could work on a better > name. > > Nico > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> Great. I also know some terrific radical intellectuals at CUNY who would >> come, came to what we called at our summer encampment outside City Hall >> "Bloombergville Free University" >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:56 PM >> To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm talking these days with Kazembe, one of the main guys behind the >> Brecht Forum, about organizing speakers to give presentations in >> Zuccotti Park. The Forum has a considerable rolodex of lefties to draw >> upon, everyone from Slavoj Zizek to David Harvey to Richard Wolff, and >> the fact that he is open to working with us is fantastic. I'm >> contacting the list about the matter because >> >> 1) Kazembe has asked me to draw up a list of speakers we might like to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
see appear 2) I was personally wondering if we could make a donation to the Brecht Forum at some future time, if we find we have the funds for it. That's it! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:18:31 AM
Fantastic! Would you like to try to replicate something similar at the encampment? We could make a proper weekend of teach-ins out of the thing..."The Liberty Free University"...we could work on a better name. Nico On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Great. I also know some terrific radical intellectuals at CUNY who would > come, came to what we called at our summer encampment outside City Hall > "Bloombergville Free University" > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:56 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy > > Hi All, > > I'm talking these days with Kazembe, one of the main guys behind the > Brecht Forum, about organizing speakers to give presentations in > Zuccotti Park. The Forum has a considerable rolodex of lefties to draw > upon, everyone from Slavoj Zizek to David Harvey to Richard Wolff, and > the fact that he is open to working with us is fantastic. I'm > contacting the list about the matter because > > 1) Kazembe has asked me to draw up a list of speakers we might like to > see appear > > 2) I was personally wondering if we could make a donation to the > Brecht Forum at some future time, if we find we have the funds for it. > > That's it! Thanks! > > Nico > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:01:05 AM
Great. I also know some terrific radical intellectuals at CUNY who would come, came to what we called at our summer encampment outside City Hall "Bloombergville Free University" -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:56 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Brecht Forum and Occupy Wall Street Synergy Hi All, I'm talking these days with Kazembe, one of the main guys behind the Brecht Forum, about organizing speakers to give presentations in Zuccotti Park. The Forum has a considerable rolodex of lefties to draw upon, everyone from Slavoj Zizek to David Harvey to Richard Wolff, and the fact that he is open to working with us is fantastic. I'm contacting the list about the matter because 1) Kazembe has asked me to draw up a list of speakers we might like to see appear 2) I was personally wondering if we could make a donation to the Brecht Forum at some future time, if we find we have the funds for it. That's it! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Carpool to #OccupyWallStreet facebook page Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:12:18 PM
Posted on our page as well. Everyone is talking about it here. Whoever set this brilliant thing up deserves a medal. Ashley Anderson www.peacefuluprising.org 801-652-2971 sent from my 'phone On Sep 22, 2011 7:56 AM, "Luis Moreno-Caballud" <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Great! Reforces are coming! > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:31 AM, MAd Hatter wrote: > >> Yes. Promotimg it on our Facebook page as well.( we are over 7,000 likes now) >> It looks like people are coming from most states! >> Also, 2 buses from Wisconsin are on the way! >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 22, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Yup been promoting it on twitter and witnessing the amazing growth of its use. :) >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:07 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> anybody else notice this? >> >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-OccupyWallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpoolto-Occupy-Wallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall> >> >> >> >> >> >> -justin >> > >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Carpool to #OccupyWallStreet facebook page Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:56:32 AM
Great! Reforces are coming! On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:31 AM, MAd Hatter wrote: Yes. Promotimg it on our Facebook page as well.( we are over 7,000 likes now) It looks like people are coming from most states! Also, 2 buses from Wisconsin are on the way!
On Thursday, September 22, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > Yup been promoting it on twitter and witnessing the amazing growth of its use. :) > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:07 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> anybody else notice this? >> >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-OccupyWallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-OccupyWallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall> >> >> >> -justin > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 5:40:31 AM
At least in my experience, to join a credit union you have to have a certain tie to an organization (like be stationed at a certain air force base, or work for a company, or go to a college) or have an immediate family member who does. But if anyone knows of exceptions, please certainly do tell us; I'm sure people here will be interested. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:21:17 -0400 To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] credit unions Anyone part of a credit union? How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? This would be a goodopportunityfor credit unions to recruit members. Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 9:00:57 AM
I'm part of a credit union and be supporting this campaign: http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ Please spread the word! Also, Drew, it would be wonderful if you could put a map showing where's Zucotti park on the website, people keeps telling me that they had trouble to figure out where the "camp" is... thanks! solidarity! On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Drew Hornbein wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone part of a credit union? How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. Solidarity.
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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Day of info Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:45:25 AM
please add the hash tag #Dispatch917 to all your tweets, it's hard to keep up with everyone separately
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Amin Husain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Day of info Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:50:17 AM
Drew - people from the media group were trying to get a hold of you to post stuff to the site. Did you guys ever connect? On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Drew <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I've posted some info on the nycga site: http://www.nycga.net/?p=286 let me know if I'm missing anything. I'll try and live blog tomorrow.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 5:04:43 PM
Report back - we went with suits on and silver platters, but there were no champagners to be found... Still did our shtick :) Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:36 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
Sounds like Billionaires for Bush to me ;) marvel at how droll their dry sarcasm is. Even if it s not we should tell everyone it is and
On 09/23/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: very possible that its creative street theatre. in any case, i'm tweeting it!!! -j On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:14 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: uberlike :)
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah we wouldn't want those handcuffs to be uncomfortable.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:10 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Let's hope that the open container arrests go smoothly-- I just rsvpd and encouraged them to bring as much champagne as possible,
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: This is the Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=127034944063832
On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:57 AM, grimwomyn wrote: Yeah the open container law alone will get him scooped up. Did you read the comments? Hilarious even gawker readers think he sucks.
On Sep 23, 2011 9:55 AM, "gail zawacki" <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Presumably they will be arrested for drinking on the street. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Snobby Illiterati to Protest Wall St. Hippies With Champagne Toast >> >> >> http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-sthippies-with-champagne-toast >> >> ->> J.A. Myerson >> http://www.jamyerson.com >> 347.688.0241 >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Dose any one kow about this counter protest Friday, September 23, 2011 2:19:58 PM
yes, we are aware. we are "joining" the counter-protest for some classy street theatre - dressed as wall street bankers and their servants with silver platers. We will meet at 3:40 at media center, at zuccotti park -j On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:18 PM, <guindave@aol.com> wrote:
Its supposed to be today at 4pm don't eat any muffins this is enraging but at least it shows people are the threatened scared about how long your guys resolve has been dont' let up ! keep on keeping on. I was there the first couple days and will be back here is a really annoying gawker article but the comments are all pro all you wonderful people http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-st-hippies-with-champagne-toast Don't let the bastards get you down. Solidarity
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] electricity Monday, September 19, 2011 9:32:37 PM
Yes, we are in the need of a second generator or other sources of power so as not to rely too much on one device. -j On Sep 19, 2011, at 9:15 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
I was just watching the live feed and noticed the message that police stole the gas. This is a long shot, but at the GA Sunday, I met a guy who was charging his cellphone using a solar array he made out of converters scavanged from yard lights. "It's good to have a degree in electronics" he said. If you are out there, is it possible for you to create a bigger version that could run some computers? Or is there any one else out there with that kind of capability? Rechargable batteries would be important for this i would think. Like I said, its a long shot.
On 09/19/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: Oh, and I have to spend some time not getting fired for a few days, so if anyone likes the idea below, please bring it to the food committee and GA for me.
On 09/19/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: Eric and the food committee have done an amazing job collecting huge piles of food and even cash. Maybe we should should be feeding those who are truly hungry. Although, as some have pointed out we are a little far from real people, we cold probably attract some people that really need to eat to the square. And it may be good to take food to neighborhoods where food is likely to be needed. I considered the idea of setting up a soup kitchen on the sidewalk in front of Trinity Church, but I think it would be patronizing. We don't feed people for press, but because we are trying to help our fellow humans. I love all you people! On 09/19/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: in the style of having the paper over their face in some way so they can't be immediately recognized. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their
hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal effort. -priscilla On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during > the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that > conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by > Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. > > mucho amor to all of you-priscilla > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. > > Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer > > and we need to be talking to the 99%. > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > > > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible > > action > > > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Electronics supplies Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:54:19 PM
Thinkgeek.com has a lot of affordable solar options: http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=solar&x=0&y=0 Also, IKEA has a solar lamp for $20: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90154371 I actually have this and it is pretty rad On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: 1. I was told someone needed spare dell abtteries: 1525 or 1625? 2. Has anyone considered a solar system? Worst case if nobody is willing to build it from scratch, Voltaic systems has a laptop recharge system for sale. It could at least allow maintaining a laptop or two as public terminals. And be cheper in the long run than gaz.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:48:13 AM
I'm not sure we want to start a *coup* I also feel like that might run us into a couple issues with the police, or something? --glj On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Free Folks, > > This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there. > > No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to > see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, > and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, > violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who > feel dis-enfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties > should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to > sustain life should JOIN US. > > Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new > government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct > participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US! > > The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" > can claim to be legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim > to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence. > > I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion. > > Mellow Yellow > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I loved the chant at Copenhagen - System Change not Climate Change. >> Growth is not sustainable on a finite earth. We need to find new measures >> of quality of life if we are going to survive. >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, I don't know that we even need to get too specific on the demands >>> as the OWS effort has started people from all over the country talking about >>> corporate control in their lives, and they are starting to wake up and >>> recognize how it is inherently injurious. If we are truly here for the >>> people, I think that informing on all the reasons corporate influence is >>> damaging to society is a great start -- and it is not necessarily up to us >>> to frame what the answers should be, we do have elected officials, we just >>> need to shout and scream until they start examining options that will really >>> help us. >>> The lowering of interest rates by the Fed is useless to the rest of us. >>> It is not systemic, what we really need to be pushing is the language of >>> systemic change, what is being offered presently is business as usual to >>> help the usual. I'm not sure we would even know what real change looks >>> like... so reaching out to visionaries like Bernie Sanders and others will >>> help that conversation along.
>>> The one demand? Try something like: ending corporate control, leave it >>> open, not specific, so it can be debated by all. >>> IMHO of course-- happy rainy thursday >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bravo Snafu for this: >>>> corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main >>>> targets of a campaign for real democracy. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> >>>>> Hope all are well >>>>> >>>>> on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below >>>>> require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some >>>>> questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come >>>>> from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in >>>>> debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that >>>>> Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes >>>>> >>>>> stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower >>>>> interest rates save public services >>>>> >>>>> drop student debt, forgive all loans >>>>> >>>>> stop excessive fees, et >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing >>>>> morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just some thoughts >>>>> >>>>> Peace, Lisa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> SEE BELOW >>>>> >>>>> 1: draft old flier >>>>> >>>>> 2: JP Morgan fact sheet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. >>>>> Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you >>>>> can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen >>>>>
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JP MORGAN CHASE BANK AFFECTS: Home owners: through mortgages and loans, refusing to negotiate on foreclosures, redlining in communities, leaving communities vacant and blithe, refusing to reduce principle, dealing with homes worth less now then is owed aka underwater
Renters: if a house is foreclosed and you rent, you are out, you have no rights
Military Personal:. More than 20,000 veterans, reservists and active-duty troops lost the homes to foreclosure in 2010, the highest number since 2003. JPMorgan Chase illegally overcharged 4,000 active service members for their mortgages improperly foreclosing on a number of them.
Students: college loans are now from banks not the government, high interest rates, loading kids out with credit cards, monopolizing debt card use, fees for card use and the list goes on.
Consumers: Credit card offers, new deals, hidden fees and high interest rates, penalties
Poor People: JP provides the debit cards for 43 million Americans on food stamps and gets a cut for each use
Bank Workers: opposing the right to a union
Small Businesses: Charging high fees for credit card use.
Utility Users: JP lobbyist are working hard to drive up the cost of home heating fuel to up their investments in dirty energy. Public Citizen has a campaign
Health: Funding the Tobacco Industry, funding, investing in fossil fuel extraction
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Community Development: Farmers
War JP invests in munitions http://www.banktrack.org/show/bankprofiles/jpmorgan_chase
JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received:[1] Profits for the years 1996-2010: Profits since bailout (2009-2010): billion[iii] 2010 bank account fees: billion[iv] 2010 credit card fee income: Chase bank teller wage:[2] ($22,391/year)[vi]
$100.7 billion[i] $153.5 billion[ii] $29.1
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$5.9 billion[v] $10.77/hour
2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: $20.8 million[vii] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: $19.2 million[viii] Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: million[ix] 2010 bonuses and compensation: $28.4 billion[x] Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years:[3] $804.2 million[xi] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: billion[xii] $74.0 $6
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Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens:[4]
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Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): million[xiv] Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections:[5] million[xv]
FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in foreclosure.[xvi] Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000 foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure.[xvii] The bank was forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal,[xviii] which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in subprime loans from 2005-2007.[xix] Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278) combined.[xx] Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct the problems.[xxi] Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for Latinos.[xxii]
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PUBLIC BUDGET CRISES
Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy.[xxiii] Across the country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a year on swap deals.[xxiv] JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up.[xxv] Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5% interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months.[xxvi] Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to Bloomberg.[xxvii]
JOBS CRISIS
Small business lending. Even though the bailout was intended to get banks to start lending again to stimulate the economy and spur job creation, JPMorgan Chases bailout did not translate into new credit for small businesses. In fact, the bank made 18,699 loans through the Small Business Administrations flagship 7(a) program in the two years before the bailout, and made only 4,636 loans into the two years sincea 75% decline. Meanwhile, the bank had $1.48 billion in outstanding insider loans to bank directors and their companies as of March 2009, more than any other bank.[xxviii]
Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase
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debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their balance more than once per period.[xxix]
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Singsen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.
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As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act 2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral
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system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
________________________________ [1] Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. [2] 25th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two. [3] 2000-2009 [4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries. [5] Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns. ________________________________ [i] http://nomiprins.squarespace.com/storage/bailouttallyoct2010.pdf [ii] Capital IQ. [iii] Capital IQ. [iv] http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF,
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:04:51 PM
Hi everyone, I like the spirit of what Mellow is saying -- the development of a liberated space is wonderful. However, let's also acknowledge that our liberated space is being subsidized and funded in a major financial way by radicals all over the world. People are paying for this occupation, not because they want us to all hang out in a camp and get media attention but because they want this to be the start of an American revolution. The GA minutes say that a working group came up with the following mission statement "we are a collection of people with diverse beliefs using a direct democratic process in a GA open to the public to discuss, find solutions, and mobilize ourselves to create a better tomorrow." Sounds wonderful -- but, if we want to "find solutions" then it is time to tell the world what those solutions are. If the solution is "abolish capitalism" then the GA must also articulate a way to get there. Let's put aside the "one demand" question for now. Maybe it would help to think of "stopgap measures". In other words, what can we ask for *right now* that would immediately alleviate some of the problems with capitalism, and thereby get the nation on our side? How do we put our GA in a leadership position? We could demand, for example, (as someone else suggested) an immediate halt on all foreclosures. Or an immediate forgiveness of consumer debt (as David Graeber put forward). My point is that if we want the GA to be a model for people's democracy, then the GA must be able to show itself able to put forward a vision of the new world and how to get there. We don't have infinite time -- eventually people will stop sending money, eventually it will start snowing. Micah
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Free Folks, This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there. No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who feel dis-enfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to sustain life should JOIN US. Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US! The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" can claim to be
legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence. I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion. Mellow Yellow On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I loved the chant at Copenhagen - System Change not Climate Change. Growth is not sustainable on a finite earth. We need to find new measures of quality of life if we are going to survive. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, I don't know that we even need to get too specific on the demands as the OWS effort has started people from all over the country talking about corporate control in their lives, and they are starting to wake up and recognize how it is inherently injurious. If we are truly here for the people, I think that informing on all the reasons corporate influence is damaging to society is a great start -- and it is not necessarily up to us to frame what the answers should be, we do have elected officials, we just need to shout and scream until they start examining options that will really help us. The lowering of interest rates by the Fed is useless to the rest of us. It is not systemic, what we really need to be pushing is the language of systemic change, what is being offered presently is business as usual to help the usual. I'm not sure we would even know what real change looks like... so reaching out to visionaries like Bernie Sanders and others will help that conversation along. The one demand? Try something like: ending corporate control, leave it open, not specific, so it can be debated by all. IMHO of course-- happy rainy thursday On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Bravo Snafu for this:
corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:
Hey all, Hope all are well on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will
stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes
- stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower interest rates save public services
drop student debt, forgive all loans stop excessive fees, et
Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps,
Just some thoughts Peace, Lisa
SEE BELOW 1: draft old flier 2: JP Morgan fact sheet
This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen
Consumers: Credit card offers, new deals, hidden fees and high interest rates,
penalties
Health: Funding the Tobacco Industry, funding, investing in fossil fuel extraction Community Development: Farmers
JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received:[1] Profits for the years 1996-2010: Profits since bailout (2009-2010): 2010 bank account fees: 2010 credit card fee income: Chase bank teller wage:[2] ($22,391/year)[vi] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: $100.7 billion[i] $153.5 billion[ii] $29.1 billion[iii] $4.7 billion[iv] $5.9 billion[v] $10.77/hour $20.8 million[vii]
2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: 2010 bonuses and compensation:
$19.2 million[viii] $6 million[ix] $28.4 billion [x]
Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years:[3] $804.2 million[xi] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens:[4] Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections:[5] $74.0 billion[xii] 53[xiii] $15.7 million[xiv] $9.7 million[xv]
FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in foreclosure.[xvi] Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000 foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure.[xvii] The bank was forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal,[xviii] which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in subprime loans from 2005-2007.[xix] Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278) combined.[xx] Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct the problems.[xxi] Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for Latinos.[xxii]
Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy.[xxiii] Across the country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a year on swap deals.[xxiv] JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up.[xxv] Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5% interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months.[xxvi] Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to Bloomberg.[xxvii]
JOBS CRISIS
Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their
balance more than once per period.[xxix]
This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth.
1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much
As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been:
more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy.
To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
[1] Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. [2] 25 th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75 th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two. [3] 2000-2009 [4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries. [5] Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns.
[i] [ii]
http://nomiprins.squarespace.com/storage/bailouttallyoct2010.pdf Capital IQ. Capital IQ.
[iii] [iv]
http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF , Item 5(b), Service Charges on Deposits.

[v] [vi]
Capital IQ. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Bank_Teller/Hourly_Rate/by_Employer
[vii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html [viii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html
[ix] [x] [xi] [xii]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/business/17dividend.html Capital IQ. Capital IQ.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22
[xiii] GAO-09-157, INTERNATIONAL TAXATION: Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions, Government Accountability Office, Dec 2008. [xiv]
OpenSecrets.org
[xv] OpenSecrets.org
[xvi]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQnJ6629VrT7NvyO5KrMgEvvIygD9IHSPSG0?docId=D9IHSPSG0

[xvii] [xviii]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18foreclosure.html
[xix] http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/the_subprime_25/ [xx] http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/results/MHAReports/Documents/Jan_2011_MHA_Report_FINAL.PDF [xxi] [xxii] [xxiii]
http://www.americanbanker.com//bulletins/-1033032-1.html Based on data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act Database.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404582.html
[xxiv] Based on SEIU analysis of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports of more than 75 public entities across the country. [xxv]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704062604576106282512683312.html? mod=ITP_moneyandinvesting_0 [xxvi] http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/JPMorgan_offers_Philly_emergency_cash__at_a_price.html
[xxvii] http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=axksyBiC6q78
[xxviii]
http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/banks_lend_heavily_to_insiders.html
[xxix]
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/uia/Fee_schedule_FINAL_236570_7.pdf
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:49:09 AM
I think that as a beautiful articulation of the appeal of the occupation; it definitely captures why I feel so great when I'm there. Lamentably, declining to demand anything loses sight of another one of the reasons why I love it there. Everyone is an activist; everyone is making demands; everyone was seduced into coming by a conviction that democracy should be amplified, corporatocracy dismantled and a politics of people-power rather than money-power. Without that component, I think it is an incomplete depiction of Liberty Square, however lovely. JAM On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganizecm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Free Folks, This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there. No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who feel dis-enfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to sustain life should JOIN US. Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US! The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" can claim to be legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence. I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion. Mellow Yellow On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I loved the chant at Copenhagen - System Change not Climate Change. Growth is not sustainable on a finite earth. We need to find new measures of quality of life if we are going to survive. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:22 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, I don't know that we even need to get too specific on the demands as the OWS effort has started people from all over the country talking about corporate control in their lives, and they are starting to wake up and recognize how it is inherently injurious. If we are truly here for the people, I think that informing on all the reasons corporate influence is damaging to society is a great start -- and it is not necessarily up to us to frame what the answers should be, we do have elected officials, we just need to shout and scream until they start examining options that will really help us. The lowering of interest rates by the Fed is useless to the rest of us. It is not systemic, what we really need to be pushing is the language of systemic change, what is being offered presently is business as usual to help the usual. I'm not sure we would even know what real change looks like... so reaching out to visionaries like Bernie Sanders and others
will help that conversation along. The one demand? Try something like: ending corporate control, leave it open, not specific, so it can be debated by all. IMHO of course-- happy rainy thursday On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:30 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Bravo Snafu for this:
corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote:
Hey all, Hope all are well on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will
stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes
- stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower interest rates save public services drop student debt, forgive all loans stop excessive fees, et
Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps,
Just some thoughts Peace, Lisa
SEE BELOW 1: draft old flier 2: JP Morgan fact sheet
This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen
JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received:[1] Profits for the years 1996-2010: Profits since bailout (2009-2010): 2010 bank account fees: 2010 credit card fee income: Chase bank teller wage:[2] ($22,391/year)[vi] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: 2010 bonuses and compensation: $100.7 billion[i] $153.5 billion[ii] $29.1 billion[iii] $4.7 billion[iv] $5.9 billion[v] $10.77/hour $20.8 million[vii] $19.2 million[viii] $6 million[ix] $28.4 billion [x]
Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years:[3] $804.2 million[xi] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens:[4] Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections:[5] $74.0 billion[xii] 53[xiii] $15.7 million[xiv] $9.7 million[xv]
FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in foreclosure.[xvi] Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000
foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure.[xvii] The bank was forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal,[xviii] which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in subprime loans from 2005-2007.[xix] Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278) combined.[xx] Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct the problems.[xxi] Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for Latinos.[xxii]
Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy.[xxiii] Across the country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a year on swap deals.[xxiv] JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up.[xxv] Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5% interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months.[xxvi]
Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to Bloomberg.[xxvii]
JOBS CRISIS
Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their balance more than once per period.[xxix]
This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank
system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act 2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page.
3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much
more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
[1] Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. [2] 25 th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75 th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two. [3] 2000-2009 [4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries. [5] Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns.
[i] [ii]
[iii] [iv]
http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF , Item 5(b), Service Charges on Deposits.

[v] [vi]
Capital IQ. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Bank_Teller/Hourly_Rate/by_Employer
[vii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html [viii] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html
[ix] [x] [xi] [xii]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/business/17dividend.html Capital IQ. Capital IQ.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22
[xiii] GAO-09-157, INTERNATIONAL TAXATION: Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions, Government Accountability Office, Dec 2008. [xiv]
OpenSecrets.org
[xv] OpenSecrets.org
[xvi]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQnJ6629VrT7NvyO5KrMgEvvIygD9IHSPSG0?docId=D9IHSPSG0

[xvii] [xviii]
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18foreclosure.html
[xix] http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/the_subprime_25/
[xx] http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/results/MHAReports/Documents/Jan_2011_MHA_Report_FINAL.PDF [xxi] [xxii] [xxiii]
http://www.americanbanker.com//bulletins/-1033032-1.html Based on data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act Database.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404582.html
[xxiv] Based on SEIU analysis of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports of more than 75 public entities across the country. [xxv]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704062604576106282512683312.html? mod=ITP_moneyandinvesting_0 [xxvi] http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/JPMorgan_offers_Philly_emergency_cash__at_a_price.html
[xxviii]
http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/banks_lend_heavily_to_insiders.html
[xxix]
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/uia/Fee_schedule_FINAL_236570_7.pdf
-J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lisa Fithian september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Five demands and banks Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:13:30 AM
Hey all, Hope all are well on the questions of demands. Things suggested in the other email below require congressional action. It might be great to ask the GA some questions like do you know anyone who has lost their home, or do they come from a city that is losing needed services or do they know anyone in debt. These might get you to some other possible demands. Things that Wall Street can do immediately if there was political will stop foreclosure keep millions in their homes stop bankrupting states and cities renegotiate debt at lower interest rates save public services drop student debt, forgive all loans stop excessive fees, et
Banks touch every aspect of our lives. From student loans to housing morgages, from banks to credit cards to debt cards, to food stamps, Just some thoughts Peace, Lisa SEE BELOW 1: draft old flier 2: JP Morgan fact sheet This is a draft of a flier I once worked on but never finished. Wanted to show how the big banks affect us. With a bit more research you can tell a compelling story why the things above should happen
Renters: if a house is foreclosed and you rent, you are out, you have no rights Military Personal:. More than 20,000 veterans, reservists and active-duty
troops lost the homes to foreclosure in 2010, the highest number since 2003. JPMorgan Chase illegally overcharged 4,000 active service members for their mortgages improperly foreclosing on a number of them. Students: college loans are now from banks not the government, high interest rates, loading kids out with credit cards, monopolizing debt card use, fees for card use and the list goes on.
JPMORGAN CHASE
Federal taxpayer bailout funds received: Profits for the years 1996-2010: [1] [i] $100.7 billion [ii] $153.5 billion
Profits since bailout (2009-2010): 2010 bank account fees: 2010 credit card fee income: [2] Chase bank teller wage:
[iii] $29.1 billion [iv] $4.7 billion [v] $5.9 billion
$10.77/hour ($22,391/year) [vii] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon total pay: $20.8 million [viii] 2010 CEO Jamie Dimon bonus: $19.2 million [ix] Projected annual dividend for CEO Jamie Dimon: $6 million [x] 2010 bonuses and compensation: $28.4 billion [3] [xi] Bonuses and compensation for top 5 execs last 10 years: $804.2 million [xii] Homes in foreclosure in lending or servicing portfolio: $74.0 billion [4] [xiii] Offshore subsidiaries in tax havens: 53 [xiv] Lobbying expenses since bailout (2009-2010): $15.7 million [5] [xv] Political contributions in 2008 & 2010 federal elections: $9.7 million
[vi]
FORECLOSURE CRISIS
Foreclosure Leader. As of June 2010, JPMorgan Chase had $19.5 billion worth of foreclosed homes on its booksmore than any other bank in the country. Another $54.5 billion of mortgages that the bank services for other lenders was also in [xvi] foreclosure. Foreclosure Fraud. JPMorgan Chase employees admitted to signing 18,000 foreclosure documents per month without reviewing the information in each file to [xvii] The bank was ensure that the bank had a legal right to proceed with foreclosure. [xviii] forced to stop foreclosures in 41 states as a result of the robo-signing scandal, which also led Attorneys General in all 50 states to launch investigations into foreclosure fraud. Subprime Lending. JPMorgan Chase had a hand in the worst of the subprime lending excesses, providing financing to the nations two largest subprime lenders, Countrywide and Ameriquest, which allowed them to originate subprime loans. JPMorgan Chase also owned a major subprime lender and has acquired two banks that had large subprime operations. Together, these firms issued over $295.3 billion in [xix] subprime loans from 2005-2007. Loan Modifications. Despite large incentives from taxpayers, as of January 2011, JPMorgan Chase had given permanent mortgage modifications to only 42% of its homeowners who are still eligible for the Obama Administrations Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The bank had rejected 354,822 families from HAMP, almost as many as Bank of America (193,231) and Wells Fargo (172,278)
[xx] combined. Exploiting Military Members. JPMorgan Chase overcharged 4,500 military members on their mortgages and improperly foreclosed on 18 of them. Once the issue came under Congressional scrutiny, the bank announced it would take steps to correct [xxi] the problems. Predatory Lending. From 2006 through 2009, JPMorgan Chase (and mortgage lenders it has since acquired) was more than twice as likely to put African-American and Latino borrowers into higher-cost, subprime loans than white borrowers. Furthermore, while mortgage lending to white borrowers only dropped 11% between 2006 and 2009, it dropped 51% for African-American borrowers and 63% for [xxii] Latinos.

Interest rate swaps. JPMorgan Chase had to pay a $722 million fine to settle charges that it illegally paid off officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to secure interest [xxiii] Across the rate swap deals that drove the county to the brink of bankruptcy. country, the bank is gouging state and local governments for more than $200 million a [xxiv] year on swap deals. JPMorgan Chase sold governments these deals as a way to save money, but instead they have become a goldmine for the bank following the bailout, which is able to rake in millions at taxpayer expense. Letters of credit. JPMorgan Chase is squeezing state and local governments by making it tougher for them to renew letters of credit, a form of bond insurance that [xxv] many cities and states need to keep bond interest rates from spiking up. Predatory loans to government. JPMorgan Chase is making a profit by lending taxpayers their own money. Even though the bank has access to ultra-cheap loans from the Federal Reserve, speculated to be as low as 0.5%, JPMorgan Chase is manipulating government budget processes and charging local and state governments much higher interest rates. For instance, when Philadelphia was in a budget pinch in fall 2009, instead of passing the 0.5% interest rate onto taxpayers, the bank offered the [xxvi] city a 3% bridge loan that would reset to 8% if it wasnt paid off in a few months. Auction-rate securities. After promoting auction-rate securities to local and state government borrowers as a low-risk, low-cost source of financing, JPMorgan Chase and other banks pulled their support for the market in early 2008, causing auctions to fail and leading to interest rates as high as 20% for government borrowers. Then the banks charged local and state governments at least $1 billion in fees to convert their auction-rate bonds to safer forms of debt, enriching JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and the rest of Wall Street that let the market fall apart, according to [xxvii] Bloomberg.
JOBS CRISIS
Small business lending. Even though the bailout was intended to get banks to start lending again to stimulate the economy and spur job creation, JPMorgan Chases bailout did not translate into new credit for small businesses. In fact, the bank made 18,699 loans through the Small Business Administrations flagship 7(a) program in the two years before the bailout, and made only 4,636 loans into the two years sincea 75% decline. Meanwhile, the bank had $1.48 billion in outstanding insider loans to [xxviii] bank directors and their companies as of March 2009, more than any other bank. Unemployment debit cards. Several states use JPMorgan Chase debit cards to pay out unemployment and/or TANF benefits. The bank takes advantage of Americans who have fallen on hard times by skimming fees off of their accounts. For example, in Michigan benefit recipients have to pay $4 if they go to a bank teller to withdraw money from their accounts more than once per pay period or $1 if they check their [xxix] balance more than once per period.
This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives.
Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank
system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html)
These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much
more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the twoparty system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
[1] [2] [3]
Includes bailouts that the bank has paid back. 25 th percentile is $9.98 per hour and 75 th percentile is $11.55 per hour. $10.77 per hour is average of the two.
2000-2009 [4] Includes 50 JPMorgan Chase subsidiaries and 3 Washington Mutual subsidiaries. Includes contributions made by the bank's political action committee and its employees in the 2008 and 2010 federal election cycles. Includes JPMorgan Chase and Bear Stearns. [5]
[i] [ii]
[iii] [iv]
http://www.ffiec.gov/nicpubweb/NICDataCache/FRY9C/FRY9C_1039502_20101231.PDF, Item 5(b), Service Charges on Deposits. [v] Capital IQ. [vi] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Bank_Teller/Hourly_Rate/by_Employer
[vii] [viii]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704101604576249092228969996.html http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/business/17dividend.html Capital IQ. Capital IQ.
[ix] [x] [xi]
[xii]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 [xiii] GAO-09-157, INTERNATIONAL TAXATION: Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions, Government Accountability Office, Dec 2008. [xiv] OpenSecrets.org
[xv]
[xvi]
OpenSecrets.org
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575548403873382036.html? KEYWORDS=%22home+loans+in+foreclosure%22 [xvii] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQnJ6629VrT7NvyO5KrMgEvvIygD9IHSPSG0?docId=D9IHSPSG0 [xviii] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18foreclosure.html
[xix] http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/economic_meltdown/the_subprime_25/ [xx] http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial-stability/results/MHA-
Reports/Documents/Jan_2011_MHA_Report_FINAL.PDF [xxi] http://www.americanbanker.com//bulletins/-1033032-1.html [xxii] Based on data from the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act Database. [xxiii] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110404582.html [xxiv] Based on SEIU analysis of Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports of more than 75 public entities across the country. [xxv] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704062604576106282512683312.html? mod=ITP_moneyandinvesting_0
[xxvi] http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/JPMorgan_offers_Philly_emergency_cash__at_a_price.html
[xxviii] http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/03/banks_lend_heavily_to_insiders.html [xxix] http://www.michigan.gov/documents/uia/Fee_schedule_FINAL_236570_7.pdf
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Willie Osterweil september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Friday, September 23, 2011 9:24:58 AM
And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate GlassSteagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank system
that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act 2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could
subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robinhood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-thesuper-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much
more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly
representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Friday, September 23, 2011 9:32:31 AM
...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate GlassSteagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank
system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity
of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight
against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of diane sare september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Friday, September 23, 2011 9:52:25 AM
How about a call to "Bankrupt Wall Street!" The mechanism to actually DO it, is Glass-Steagall. I think you'd be surprised, as dull as the name of the bill sounds, how many people know what it is. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate GlassSteagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank
system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms
to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current
system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Friday, September 23, 2011 10:06:53 AM
Michael Moore, when the revolution starts they'll say: "that's where it began". KISS - Keep It Simple Sweetheart! http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2011/09/michael-moore-on-occupy-wall-street.html On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Seconded On Sep 23, 2011 9:58 AM, "Willie Osterweil" <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: > I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear > demands that will enlarge our ranks. > > The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in > wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to > appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of > innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will > always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. > > Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already > politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench > the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The > government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... > > The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the > simpler, broader and more universal, the better. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com>wrote: > >> ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or >> rearangement of priorities? >> be constructive. >> Cesar >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate >>> Glass-Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with >>> coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: >>> "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, >>> to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!" >>> >>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the >>>> speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan >>>> banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for >>>> pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall >>>> Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to >>>> protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long-term about >>>> radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I >>>>> was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! >>>>> >>>>> I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA >>>>> on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. >>>>> Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that >>>>> the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely >>>>> ideological motives. >>>>> >>>>> Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the >>>>> current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have >>>>> clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern >>>>> autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece >>>>> and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been >>>>> able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint >>>>> Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a >>>>> document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, >>>>> such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF >>>>> Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and >>>>> so forth. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA >>>>> should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the bank >>>>> system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, >>>>> originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in
>>>>> 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal >>>>> directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by >>>>> allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their >>>>> depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the >>>>> investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act >>>>> >>>>> 2) *Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax* on all >>>>> financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a >>>>> national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an >>>>> international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to >>>>> the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations >>>>> as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. >>>>> In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their >>>>> support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. >>>>> Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the >>>>> G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has >>>>> come of age. ( >>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) >>>>> Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very >>>>> simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO >>>>> also has a Facebook page.**** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3) *Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains *by >>>>> pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial >>>>> assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the >>>>> moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 >>>>> and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains >>>>> cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This >>>>> means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket >>>>> your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars >>>>> on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this >>>>> system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly >>>>> unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. ( >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-superrich.html >>>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin >>>>> raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the >>>>> conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is >>>>> ridiculous. ****A social movement is much more than a set of demands
>>>>> yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and >>>>> where you come from. >>>>> >>>>> Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the >>>>> public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount >>>>> political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political >>>>> candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of >>>>> fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus >>>>> of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such >>>>> money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political >>>>> representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral >>>>> system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to >>>>> convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And >>>>> corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of >>>>> a campaign for real democracy. >>>>> >>>>> To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic >>>>> control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question >>>>> of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against >>>>> representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* >>>>> form of representation, but certainly against the current system of >>>>> representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each >>>>> individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of >>>>> the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic >>>>> and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to >>>>> others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not >>>>> have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide >>>>> professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of >>>>> knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in >>>>> point). >>>>> >>>>> Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per >>>>> se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, >>>>> renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live >>>>> behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us >>>>> trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Snafu >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ->>>> Diane Sare >>>> cell: 201-220-7731 >>>> >>> >>> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:24:58 PM
Agreed we need to do it. Perhaps it could be more like a "manifesto" though than just a list of demands. -j On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Doug Singsen wrote: This is exactly what we need. Who wants to propose this in the GA? Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a week starting tomorrow so I can't do it myself. Doug S On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote:
Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law regulating the
bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robinhood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stopcoddling-the-super-rich.html)
These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set of
demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative
politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] flyer design attached Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:04:13 PM
I think I might be part of the 1% thats in the 98% but not the 99% ;) Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Wonder if you are all aware of the other 98%? Elizabeth Warren:
http://www.facebook.com/TheOther98 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=281969618480690&set=a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866&type=1&theater On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:36 PM, <frogman@networkpimps.com> wrote: Looks amazing! Very Inspiring! I can hardly wait to be back this weekend. Tom
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] flyer design attached Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:53:59 PM
Wonderful flyers! We can achieve a huge expansion of our movement next Saturday! Let's all outreach! On Sep 21, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Micah White wrote: > outreach handbill flyer design attached. > > Micah > > > <4-UP_Pamphlet.pdf>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] flyer design attached Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:57:39 PM
Wonder if you are all aware of the other 98%? Elizabeth Warren:
http://www.facebook.com/TheOther98 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=281969618480690&set=a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866&type=1&theater On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:36 PM, <frogman@networkpimps.com> wrote: Looks amazing! Very Inspiring! I can hardly wait to be back this weekend. Tom
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Flyer Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:16:04 AM 4-UP_Pamphlet.pdf
Also here: https://docs.google.com/viewer? a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_QxiMmOEfwNM2JhMmM4Y2UtMjRjMS00YzYxLWIwNzItNDIxMjYwMDE3MjZi&hl=en_US
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Winter Siroco wrote: > Hi everybody. > > Whoever has the digital version of the flyers, please post it to the mail group so that it can be posted online and also distributed to those who can not pick printed copies and to other supporting organizations that can print some more. > Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Flyer Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:36:00 AM
http://nycga.cc/resources/media/ On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:16 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: http://t.co/spMAmSAV I posted them as a public doc on google docs.... On Sep 22, 2011 7:59 AM, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everybody. > > Whoever has the digital version of the flyers, please post it to the mail > group so that it can be posted online and also distributed to those who can > not pick printed copies and to other supporting organizations that can print > some more. > Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Flyer Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:02:39 PM
Here's translated text to spanish. Can someone please create spanish version asap and send to me: nete al 99% que quiere quitar nuestro pais del 1% que nos lo rob. Cada da. Cada semana. #OCCUPYWALLSTREET Evento especial: 24 Septiembre, 12:00 Parque Zuccotti (esquina de Liberty y Broadway)
On 9/22/11, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > http://nycga.cc/resources/media/ > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:16 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> http://t.co/spMAmSAV I posted them as a public doc on google docs.... >> On Sep 22, 2011 7:59 AM, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi everybody. >> > >> > Whoever has the digital version of the flyers, please post it to the >> > mail >> > group so that it can be posted online and also distributed to those who >> can >> > not pick printed copies and to other supporting organizations that can >> print >> > some more. >> > Cesar >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Flyer Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:16:32 AM
http://t.co/spMAmSAV I posted them as a public doc on google docs.... On Sep 22, 2011 7:59 AM, "Winter Siroco" <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everybody. > > Whoever has the digital version of the flyers, please post it to the mail > group so that it can be posted online and also distributed to those who can > not pick printed copies and to other supporting organizations that can print > some more. > Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Food COmmittee and Volunteers Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:27:23 PM
yes! we have plenty of $$ for food but need folks to go pick up things with cash we give them. -j On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stefan Fink <finn.fink@gmail.com> wrote: My comrade Victoria and I organized the dumpster run as part of the Food Committee last night. We are heading there soon with a van and hopefully already some food. Expect us within the hour. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: People want to know if you guys need more volunteers on the field, I have a guy in IM who seems to be trying to get hold of his comrades around NYC for this.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Stefan Fink september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Food COmmittee and Volunteers Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:25:28 PM
My comrade Victoria and I organized the dumpster run as part of the Food Committee last night. We are heading there soon with a van and hopefully already some food. Expect us within the hour. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: People want to know if you guys need more volunteers on the field, I have a guy in IM who seems to be trying to get hold of his comrades around NYC for this.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Food COmmittee and Volunteers Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:30:31 PM
What do you look like and where are you? I am at Zuc Square and have distinctive hair. --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:27:00 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Food COmmittee and Volunteers yes! we have plenty of $$ for food but need folks to go pick up things with cash we give them. -j On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stefan Fink <finn.fink@gmail.com> wrote: My comrade Victoria and I organized the dumpster run as part of the Food Committee last night. We are heading there soon with a van and hopefully already some food. Expect us within the hour. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: People want to know if you guys need more volunteers on the field, I have a guy in IM who seems to be trying to get hold of his comrades around NYC for this.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] for Lucas Vasquez Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:48:18 PM
Lucas, Could you send me your email address, so I can pass on some other information to you. Jackie DiSalvo jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:38 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco
I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Stephen Benavides september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:09:44 PM
I agree. Is this the harsh attitude expected to ensure involvement of natural allies such as the IWW? Coordination is important, but requiring people to ask first...ask who? I would encourage all groups to hold meetings as they saw fit, or are available to. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Relax. Having more activity in the square is fine. When it's possible we should coordinate, but people are empowered to host meetings, teach ins, and stuff. The ga and working groups are there to assist, not block or slow down this stuff. If the IWW is holding a meeting in the square, that's great and should be celebrated, and not condemned or discouraged.
On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. > > > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW > > > > The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in > > contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the > > occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt > > that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it. > >
-Stephen Benavides United Steel Workers Local #9479 North Texas Association of Public Employees Employee Representative Office: 214-760-7422 Cell: 214-779-8991 Fax: 214-760-7423
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:37:43 PM
You are right. I congratulate the Wobblies on all their good work and of course they are welcome to meet wherever, with or without us. The more work the better. I misread the communication and thought they were telling people who have been participating in the Labor Working Group that our meeting location was not what we told them it would be. Im sorry I panicked & sounded harsh. I just was concerned that people who need to be at the work group meeting tonight and have important information and input for that meeting come to the right location. Labor Working Group Meeting 6 PM Friday Sept 23 PSC-CUNY (Professional Staff Congress) office 15th floor 61 Broadway
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Benavides Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:10 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW
I agree. Is this the harsh attitude expected to ensure involvement of natural allies such as the IWW? Coordination is important, but requiring people to ask first...ask who? I would encourage all groups to hold meetings as they saw fit, or are available to. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Relax. Having more activity in the square is fine. When it's possible we should coordinate, but people are empowered to host meetings, teach ins, and stuff. The ga and working groups are there to assist, not block or slow down this stuff. If the IWW is holding a meeting in the square, that's great and should be celebrated, and not condemned or discouraged.
On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. > > > > -----Original Message----Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW > > > > The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in > > contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the > > occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt > > that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it. > >
-Stephen Benavides United Steel Workers Local #9479 North Texas Association of Public Employees Employee Representative Office: 214-760-7422 Cell: 214-779-8991 Fax: 214-760-7423
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:56:39 PM
Yes, agreed, great work getting the labor group together Jackie... Hope to make the 6 pm meeting. On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > You are right. I congratulate the Wobblies on all their good work and of course they are welcome to meet wherever, with or without us. The more work the better. I misread the communication and thought they were telling people who have been participating in the Labor Working Group that our meeting location was not what we told them it would be. Im sorry I panicked & sounded harsh. I just was concerned that people who need to be at the work group meeting tonight and have important information and input for that meeting come to the right location. > > > > Labor Working Group Meeting > > 6 PM Friday Sept 23 > > PSC-CUNY (Professional Staff Congress) office > > 15th floor 61 Broadway > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Benavides > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:10 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW > > > > I agree. Is this the harsh attitude expected to ensure involvement of natural allies such as the IWW? Coordination is important, but requiring people to ask first...ask who? I would encourage all groups to hold meetings as they saw fit, or are available to. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: > > Relax. Having more activity in the square is fine. When it's possible we should coordinate, but people are empowered to host meetings, teach ins, and stuff. The ga and working groups are there to assist, not block or slow down this stuff. > > If the IWW is holding a meeting in the square, that's great and should be celebrated, and not condemned or discouraged. >
> > > On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM >> To: september17 >> Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW >> >> >> >> The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in >> >> contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the >> >> occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt >> >> that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it. >> >> > > > > -> > Stephen Benavides > United Steel Workers Local #9479 > > North Texas Association of Public Employees > > Employee Representative > > Office: 214-760-7422 > > Cell: 214-779-8991 > > Fax:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 2:00:18 PM
Relax. Having more activity in the square is fine. When it's possible we should coordinate, but people are empowered to host meetings, teach ins, and stuff. The ga and working groups are there to assist, not block or slow down this stuff. If the IWW is holding a meeting in the square, that's great and should be celebrated, and not condemned or discouraged.
On Friday, September 23, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. > > > > -----Original Message----> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW > > > > The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in > > contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the > > occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt > > that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it. > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW Friday, September 23, 2011 1:50:51 PM
No- we won't be there; we're moving to avoid rain and include labor contacts, IWW hasn't been to a Labor Working Group meeting yet (hasnt even contacted us, though I left messages for them on September 17 list serve, and can't change its location; the info on change has already gone out to our members and contacts. You have definitely overstepped you bounds; if you have a suggestion, you ask first; you are just creating confusion that will split the attendees. FIX IT. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:14 PM To: september17 Subject: [september17discuss] For Labor Committee - IWW The IWW is apparently enthusiastic and one of the wobblies I'm in contact with decided to suggest they hold their GMB in the area of the occupation, maybe even at liberty plaza. I must apologize if it's felt that I overstepped my bounds, as we basically ran with it.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] for Lucas Vasquez Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:53:10 PM
Sorry didnt get to call you. Let's talk tomorrow. On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > and my phoner number is 631 741 0531 <tel:631%20741%200531> > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > > my email address is lucasbostero20@gmail.com > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > Lucas, > > > > Could you send me your email address, so I can pass on some other information to you. > > > > Jackie DiSalvo > > jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:38 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco > > > > I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 > > > > Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey everyone, > > Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] for Lucas Vasquez Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:17:47 PM
sounds good call me On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:53 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry didnt get to call you. Let's talk tomorrow. On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > and my phoner number is 631 741 0531 <tel:631%20741%200531> > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: > > my email address is lucasbostero20@gmail.com > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > > Lucas, > > > > Could you send me your email address, so I can pass on some other information to you. > > > > Jackie DiSalvo > > jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:38 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco > > > > I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 >
> > > Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] for Lucas Vasquez Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:58:08 AM
my email address is lucasbostero20@gmail.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Lucas,
Could you send me your email address, so I can pass on some other information to you.
Jackie DiSalvo jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:38 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco
I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531
Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks,
Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ellen Davidson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] for media team Monday, September 19, 2011 6:25:59 PM
My pictures from the first day are at https://picasaweb.google.com/ellen.rachel.davidson/OccupyWallStreet91711# by the way. I sent the link to the Guardian, and they all had the right ifo in Photoshop, but, unfortunately, it seems as if Picasaweb strips out that info when it uploads. Another reason to hate Google. Ellen On 09/19/11, Micah White<micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Just received word from Guardian, they want to be flooded with pictures from the wall street occupation. Send everything you've got to: pictures@guardian.co.uk NOTE: Pictures must be captioned, or they will not be used. It's very important that the captions are included into the 'Description' field of 'File info' in Photoshop. Include a brief description and the name of the photographer. That extra step may make things more difficult, but it is unfortunately necessary.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] for media team Monday, September 19, 2011 5:06:07 PM
Somebody please send that beautiful pic I sent earlier. Don't know photographers name Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 19, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Just received word from Guardian, they want to be flooded with pictures from the wall street occupation. Send everything you've got to: pictures@guardian.co.uk NOTE: Pictures must be captioned, or they will not be used. It's very important that the captions are included into the 'Description' field of 'File info' in Photoshop. Include a brief description and the name of the photographer. That extra step may make things more difficult, but it is unfortunately necessary.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] FOR THE MEDIA TEAM: USW SUPPORTS OCCUPY WALL STREET Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:57:36 AM
Am I the only one who finds this extremely exciting? Also, you all probably know this, but Wikipedia just taught me they're not just steelworkers, they're the United Steel, Paper and Forestry, Rubber, Manufacturing, Energy, Allied Industrial and Service Workers International Union. Big tent. --glj On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:09 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: > The following email was sent out to the United Steel Workers members > and associate members list. We have permission to publish it. > > I'm getting in touch with their locals to do solidarity work. > > Thanks, > > Nico > >> From: Associate Member <uswa-hq@usw.org> >> Date: September 22, 2011 7:03:42 AM PDT >> To: "HQ - Associate Member List" <associatemember@listserv.steelworkers.org> >> Subject: The Wall St. Protest You Need to Know About >> Reply-To: sdomike@usw.org >> >> >> Subject line: The Wall St. Protest You Need to Know About >> >> Text: Since Saturday, a group of young people have led an occupation of Wall >> Street in New York City, protesting in hopes of drawing attention to the >> real reason our economy is broken: corporate greed and an unfair system >> where the rich get away without paying their fair share. The mainstream, >> corporate-controlled media isn't covering this youth-led revolution but >> thanks to the high-tech world we live in, we don't need them to. Stay >> updated here: www.occupywallst.org and check out this video and others like >> it: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-v5CPo5tis&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> >> United Steelworkers >> Communications Department >> W: www.usw.org >> >> >> --- You are currently subscribed to associatemember as: >> nallen2@earthlink.net. To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-186799-1197936.cb488a967bac816188377d3232536795@listserv.steelworkers.org >> --- or Click Here to Unsubscribe >>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Forums, Presentations and Events at Liberty Plaza Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:04:13 PM
this thursday ivan. On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lauren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >
What events do we have planned for this week and next? I know that there might be an Economics Forum, a lecture on Medicaid, and perhaps some guest lecturers from Cuny. Could they please be listed here in order to fill out the calendar? Please keep on inviting lecturers for presentations, workshops, ect! We need Liberty Plaza to be a place for debate and discussion and have people from everywhere coming here to be enlightend! Lets continue occupying the hearts and minds of people everywhere : ) Lauren
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Forums, Presentations and Events at Liberty Plaza Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:04:16 PM
oops no link: BurcuBaykurt RT @theyesmen Thurs 7pm, Ivan from Otpor explains how toppled Milosevic then heads to #occupywallstreet to see new revolution yeslab.org/cat 9/21/11 2:33 PM
On Sep 21, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Lauren wrote:
What events do we have planned for this week and next? I know that there might be an Economics Forum, a lecture on Medicaid, and perhaps some guest lecturers from Cuny. Could they please be listed here in order to fill out the calendar? Please keep on inviting lecturers for presentations, workshops, ect! We need Liberty Plaza to be a place for debate and discussion and have people from everywhere coming here to be enlightend! Lets continue occupying the hearts and minds of people everywhere : ) Lauren
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: [Press Inquiries] media coverage Friday, September 23, 2011 11:34:02 AM
Awesome idea! A bunch of us from NORML NYC tried to get in front of good morning America on 4/20/2010 with bunch of signs that said stuff like "Tokers for Roker (sp?) and "I got high today"- using the today show's logo in place of the word today...in order to protest the 50K+ possession arrests in NYC. They asked us to see our signs and we couldn't get in, we wanted to put the message on our shirts under our jackets, go back and take our coats off in front of the cameras, but the group broke up before we could get around to it. This could work, and it'll be a lot of fun! Harrison
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:48 AM, <flux@fluxview.com> wrote: this lovely idea just came in from one of our live viewers
----- Forwarded message from darkalchemist000@gmail.com ----Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 03:54:41 -0400 From: darkalchemist000@gmail.com Subject: [Press Inquiries] media coverage To: staff@mobilebroadcastnews.com chris sent a message using the contact form at http://mobilebroadcastnews.com/NewsRoom/contact. i was wanting to say that what you are doing is amazing and i am grateful for what you are doing. i was wondering what the possibility would be of you spreading the message to the protesters of going to the sets of the today show and good morning america, if you arrive at roughly 5 am to the respective studios then you can have their entire live crowd filled with protesters and that would spread the message to the entire audience and continue to go everyday that the protest is going, this could cause a massive ripple in the pond of injustice, thank you for readin and god bless ----- End forwarded message -----
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 3:20:13 PM
Seriously, the Yes Men are pretty awesome. I'd be glad to have them (and/or the interesting person they're hosting) stop by. --glj On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: > Instead of having us leave such a strategic location and dwindle our > numbers, why not have them come to us. The revolution is being debated right > now in Liberty plaza and advertising that it will happen somewhere else is > not very helpful. > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nathan Schneider > <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: >> >> Dear Fellow Wall Street Occupiers, >> Consider taking a break and coming from this talk with Ivan Marovic, one >> of the strategic minds behind the revolution that displaced Milosevic in >> Belgrade. He was also involved in advising Egyptian revolutionaries. He's a >> blast. It's hosted by the Yes Men: >> The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the >> revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. >> >> Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper >> Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders >> of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the >> downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic >> began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one >> of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak >> about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped >> to guide. >> >> See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this >> fall's events. >> >> The Yes Lab >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Schneider >> Editor, Waging Nonviolence >> http://wagingnonviolence.org > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Siddattha Gurung september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22:59 PM
Sorry if i might have sounded curt, been at liberty plaza for three days and very tired. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Seriously, the Yes Men are pretty awesome. I'd be glad to have them (and/or the interesting person they're hosting) stop by. --glj On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Siddattha Gurung <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: > Instead of having us leave such a strategic location and dwindle our > numbers, why not have them come to us. The revolution is being debated right > now in Liberty plaza and advertising that it will happen somewhere else is > not very helpful. > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nathan Schneider > <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: >> >> Dear Fellow Wall Street Occupiers, >> Consider taking a break and coming from this talk with Ivan Marovic, one >> of the strategic minds behind the revolution that displaced Milosevic in >> Belgrade. He was also involved in advising Egyptian revolutionaries. He's a >> blast. It's hosted by the Yes Men: >> The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the >> revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. >> >> Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper >> Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders >> of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the >> downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic >> began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one >> of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak >> about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped >> to guide. >> >> See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this >> fall's events. >> >> The Yes Lab >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Schneider >> Editor, Waging Nonviolence >> http://wagingnonviolence.org > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 3:24:06 PM
Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Great suggestion Nathan :) On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > Seriously, the Yes Men are pretty awesome. I'd be glad to have them > (and/or the interesting person they're hosting) stop by. > > --glj > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Siddattha Gurung > <gurus655@newschool.edu> wrote: >> Instead of having us leave such a strategic location and dwindle our >> numbers, why not have them come to us. The revolution is being debated right >> now in Liberty plaza and advertising that it will happen somewhere else is >> not very helpful. >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nathan Schneider >> <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Fellow Wall Street Occupiers, >>> Consider taking a break and coming from this talk with Ivan Marovic, one >>> of the strategic minds behind the revolution that displaced Milosevic in >>> Belgrade. He was also involved in advising Egyptian revolutionaries. He's a >>> blast. It's hosted by the Yes Men: >>> The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the >>> revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. >>> >>> Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper >>> Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders >>> of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the >>> downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic >>> began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one >>> of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak >>> about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped >>> to guide. >>> >>> See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this >>> fall's events. >>> >>> The Yes Lab >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Schneider >>> Editor, Waging Nonviolence >>> http://wagingnonviolence.org >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 3:41:42 PM
If anyone wants a place to showerand/or sleep for a night I can host two people at a time a few days a week.... only open to people on this list. I live in sunset park brooklyn. On Sep 19, 2011 3:24 PM, "Alexa O'Brien" <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 5:06:59 PM
Andy was here day 1. He may show up again, he says Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:41 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: If anyone wants a place to showerand/or sleep for a night I can host two people at a time a few days a week.... only open to people on this list. I live in sunset park brooklyn. On Sep 19, 2011 3:24 PM, "Alexa O'Brien" <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Siddattha Gurung september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Revolutionaries Live! kicks off THIS THURSDAY in NYC Monday, September 19, 2011 3:11:00 PM
Instead of having us leave such a strategic location and dwindle our numbers, why not have them come to us. The revolution is being debated right now in Liberty plaza and advertising that it will happen somewhere else is not very helpful. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nathan Schneider <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: Dear Fellow Wall Street Occupiers, Consider taking a break and coming from this talk with Ivan Marovic, one of the strategic minds behind the revolution that displaced Milosevic in Belgrade. He was also involved in advising Egyptian revolutionaries. He's a blast. It's hosted by the Yes Men:
The revolution will be debated. Starting this Thursday, come meet the revolutionaries who have changed or are currently changing the world. Revolutionaries Live! kicks off at the Hemispheric Institute, 20 Cooper Square 5th floor, New York, with the great Ivan Marovic, one of the founders of Otpor, the student resistance movement that played a critical role in the downfall of Slobodan Milosevic in 2000. After Milosevic's fall, Marovic began consulting with various pro democracy groups worldwide and became one of the leading trainers in the field of civil resistance. Ivan will speak about the role of humor and creative activism in the struggles he's helped to guide. See you Thursday! And visit www.yeslab.org/cat for the full list of this fall's events. The Yes Lab
Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Room/time change for Thursday - and #occupywallstreet!! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:27:00 PM
NYPD sent me a statement re: arrests, which I posted here: http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Nathan Schneider <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: Ivan Marovic, a leading strategist in the revolution to overthrow Milosevic in Serbia, is coming to Liberty Plaza on Thursday! After suggesting the idea to them, I just got this from the Yes Men: But now, SOME VERY GOOD NEWS: after Ivan's talk this Thursday, we'll take the N,R train a few stops down to Liberty Plaza and occupy Wall Street! There, around 8:30 or 9pm, Ivan will continue his talk for our very own hereand-now revolutionaries, doing some of the same things Ivan and his thousands of friends have done to topple dictators from Milosevic to Mubarak! Nathan
Aaron Barr Thomas Ryan Re: [september17discuss] Fwd: Room/time change for Thursday - and #occupywallstreet!! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:44:47 PM
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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:33 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Fwd: Room/time change for Thursday - and #occupywallstreet!!
Ivan Marovic, a leading strategist in the revolution to overthrow Milosevic in Serbia, is coming to Liberty Plaza on Thursday! After suggesting the idea to them, I just got this from the Yes Men:
But now, SOME VERY GOOD NEWS: after Ivan's talk this Thursday, we'll take the N,R train a few stops down to Liberty Plaza and occupy Wall Street! There, around 8:30 or 9pm, Ivan will continue his talk for our very own here-and-now revolutionaries, doing some of the same things Ivan and his thousands of friends have done to topple dictators from Milosevic to Mubarak!
Nathan
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] good news: spread this far and wide Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:53:05 AM
Great article! Let's blast this! I love it when she responds to Bloomberg's bullshit about "riots" in Spain. I was there. No riots, man: collective intelligence, solidarity, autonomous organization.
On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Micah White wrote: Amy Goodman from Democracy Now! has just publicly endorsed occupy wall street in an op-ed in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/21/occup y-wall-street-amy-goodman This is very good news, and I suggest we make a concerted push to have this article blasted everywhere as it gives us tremendous legitimacy in the mainstream left. If we can think of a good hashtag to celebrate her endorsement maybe we can get it trending -- #thankyouamy or #amyisright or #amyoccupies
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] good news: spread this far and wide Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:10:22 PM
IF you want to use this one, we can see how far it goes by tracking the link
PLS RT: Why 'Occupy Wall Street' makes sense by Amy Goodman http://ht.ly/6AMIA #takewallstreet #usdor #p2 #tcot #occupywallstreet
Ashley
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Great article! Let's blast this! I love it when she responds to Bloomberg's bullshit about "riots" in Spain. I was there. No riots, man: collective intelligence, solidarity, autonomous organization.
On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Micah White wrote: Amy Goodman from Democracy Now! has just publicly endorsed occupy wall street in an op-ed in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/21/occu py-wall-street-amy-goodman This is very good news, and I suggest we make a concerted push to have this article blasted everywhere as it gives us tremendous legitimacy in the mainstream left. If we can think of a good hashtag to celebrate her endorsement maybe we can get it trending -- #thankyouamy or #amyisright or #amyoccupies
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Heart Of Glass and Taft Hartley Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:58:43 PM
A big YES on Taft-Hartley if and when we get around to demands. Also the NY Taylor Law which bans strikes by public sector unions including mine (PSC-CUNY), broke the last strike by TWU (NYC Transit Workers Union), punished them severely (huge fines, temporarily jailing their president, jail threats for all strikers, ending deducting dues from paychecks) and is now being fought by TWU in anticipation of another potential strike necessity when their contract is up in December.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of guindave@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:19 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Heart Of Glass and Taft Hartly
Thank you for the post on Glass Stegal is it ? Also I would add to that repealing the Taft Hartley Act. The Taft Hartley is Act what turned Unions into more lobbying organization then organizations trying to organize the un organized. I don't have a link but I could find one Here is a List of 3 possible demands just one activists opinion 1. End corporate person hood 2. Repeal Taft Hartley Act, and Glass Stegal Act 3. Make a Stock transfer Tax , (robin Hood Tax)
How is that ? (also there is this other act passed in the 80s that makes it easier for employers to get "illegal" Aliens deported does any one know that name ?)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Heart of Glass(-Steagall) Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:51:21 AM
i agree with amye .. these could be our guiding principles / points of unity/ solidarity On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Amye R <amyeelizabethr@gmail.com> wrote: > In my personal opinion we should be focused on more universal demands, such > as universal access to healthcare, food, shelter, a healthy environment, > etc., and changing the entire system rather than working from the > pre-existing structure. However, since it the 1933 Glass-Seagall act has > been discussed, I thought people might be interested in knowing what it > is. here is a link to it incase anyone is curious. I am posting this for > informational purposes only and not to condemn or support the act itself. > > http://www.archive.org/stream/FullTextTheGlasssteagallActA.k.a.TheBankingActOf1933/1933_01248#page/n0/mode/2up > > > Peace, > Amye
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 10:58:51 AM
Party City has a kit (this where having "mom knowledge" comes in useful): http://www.partycity.com/product/balloon+time+a+la+carte+helium+tank+large.do? sortby=ourPicks&size=all&from=Search&navSet=helium On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: YES! Lets get 100's of them! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza > image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a > few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium > and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police > requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a > bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea > what we are about ... lots of ideas. > > I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. > > Marina > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 11:11:37 AM
hearted On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: I fully approve of using helium balloons as a revolutionary tactic as a member of the Arts& Culture committee. I fully intend to run by kmart and hopefully purchase a 'people's slip n slide' after work. Rather than look miserable and down trodden in the rain all weekend, I'm thinking we should use swim suits, water guns and balloons to fuck with the media some more. I can't tap dance but if anyone knows anyone who can do a good Gene Kelly impersonation now's probably the time comrades! Harrison
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Party City has a kit (this where having "mom knowledge" comes in useful): http://www.partycity.com/product/balloon+time+a+la+carte+helium+tank+large.do? sortby=ourPicks&size=all&from=Search&navSet=helium On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: YES! Lets get 100's of them! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza > image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a > few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium > and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police > requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a > bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea > what we are about ... lots of ideas. > > I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. > > Marina > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 11:10:50 AM
I fully approve of using helium balloons as a revolutionary tactic as a member of the Arts& Culture committee. I fully intend to run by kmart and hopefully purchase a 'people's slip n slide' after work. Rather than look miserable and down trodden in the rain all weekend, I'm thinking we should use swim suits, water guns and balloons to fuck with the media some more. I can't tap dance but if anyone knows anyone who can do a good Gene Kelly impersonation now's probably the time comrades! Harrison
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Party City has a kit (this where having "mom knowledge" comes in useful): http://www.partycity.com/product/balloon+time+a+la+carte+helium+tank+large.do? sortby=ourPicks&size=all&from=Search&navSet=helium On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: YES! Lets get 100's of them! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza > image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a > few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium > and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police > requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a > bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea > what we are about ... lots of ideas. > > I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. > > Marina > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 11:14:53 AM
Yes! great idea! let's turn Liberty Park into a colorful, friendly, welcoming space for everyone, let's show people that we care for them, that we are not doing this for ourselves, but for everyone, that we are really everyone On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:58 AM, grimwomyn wrote: Party City has a kit (this where having "mom knowledge" comes in useful): http://www.partycity.com/product/balloon+time+a+la+carte+helium+tan k+large.do?sortby=ourPicks&size=all&from=Search&navSet=helium On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: YES! Lets get 100's of them! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: > I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza > image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a > few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium > and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police > requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a > bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea > what we are about ... lots of ideas. > > I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. > > Marina > > -> Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 11:21:18 AM
I love the color and fun of balloons and all other ideas to make the space more welcoming. (The rain does not help the space looking like a messy pile of tarps - this will bring eyes a little more upward.) On plastic and waste. I totally hear the argument. I was thinking about it last night when all the food was distributed on plastic plates with plastic utensils. That perhaps is a larger use of plastic that we can think about. Maybe recycled paper? I know it is a lot of work, but washing the utensils. Excited to make the rain fun instead of a total downer. Eyes up and outward! Marina On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:16 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > I acknowledge that we all make compromises, and can't always avoid making > negative impacts on the environment, and I generally put it that, you can't > make an omelet without breaking some eggs. > However, I doubt this movement hinges on littering with balloons...and it > isn't only turtles that are affected by plastic garbage. Plastic derives > from oil, which is what we're fighting wars and killing people for. The > chemicals leach into our air, food and water and cause cancer. > It seems that people could spend just a few minutes thinking about a > satisfactory alternative. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Gail, I honestly believe that this movement is more important than some >> turtles.* The balloons are a great idea and really positive in almost every >> respect. If we can find an equally effective thing that's bright and doesn't >> pollute the environment or affect wildlife, I'm unequivocally for it. But if >> turtles must be put at risk so that people can have a chance of living under >> less oppression, I won't lose any sleep. >> *My argument on such things generally goes: ending the system where profit >> is the primary motivating factor on how humans affect this planet will, in >> the long run, reduce pollution and improve animal welfare. The reverse of >> that arrangement, however, is not true. >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> YES! Lets get 100's of them! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza >>> > image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a >>> > few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium >>> > and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police >>> > requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a >>> > bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea >>> > what we are about ... lots of ideas.
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
> > > > > > > >
I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
-Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Helium balloons Friday, September 23, 2011 10:55:16 AM
I'm sorry but I have to strongly object. A floating balloon turns into plastic garbage sooner or later. I like the idea of something cheerful to attract attention. Just not something that will wind up killing turtles. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marina Sitrin <marina.sitrin@gmail.com> wrote: I think a lot of beautiful colored balloons would help the Plaza image. Festive and fun - plus we can write messages on them, or use a few together to make a phrase (We are the 99%) etc. If they are helium and high enough they will not obstruct the view of anyone (police requirements either). We can give them to children who pass ... have a bunch together by the stairs so people passing can have a little idea what we are about ... lots of ideas. I will bring some Saturday, but imagine the more the better. Marina -Seamos realistas, hagamos lo imposible ~ che
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] How do I... Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:51:50 AM
I am happy to front any money required for purchases while we wait for stubborn bank transfers Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I was told yesterday that someone has a Verizon hot spot. It would cost $40/month to use. I think it would be wise to get the treasury committee involved in this. -Drew On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: as for the square-- no idea-- but try this out to find wifi: http://www.openwifinyc.com/classic/index.php On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: ...get wireless access in Liberty Sq.? Am trying to do solidarity outreach. JAM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:45:34 PM
That is a great idea! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chuck Schumer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:35:06 PM
Maybe though a fruit plate and generic pastries (bagels) so it doesn't seem like we're making fun of the cops with donuts. The last thing we need is a picture of a NYPD ONLY sign on a table full of Dunkin Donuts boxes (not to mention that they are a huge fucking chain [that makes terrible coffee]) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing idea. Making this happen should be a priority. Many of the headlines I've been seeing seem to promote the number of arrests. This could put a great spin on the attitude of those occupying. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: That is a great idea! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:44:58 PM
Agreed I think the donuts seem to make fun of the cops, def avoiding donuts, fruit and bagels sounds nice, get em in shape! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Maybe though a fruit plate and generic pastries (bagels) so it doesn't seem like we're making fun of the cops with donuts. The last thing we need is a picture of a NYPD ONLY sign on a table full of Dunkin Donuts boxes (not to mention that they are a huge fucking chain [that makes terrible coffee]) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing idea. Making this happen should be a priority. Many of the headlines I've been seeing seem to promote the number of arrests. This could put a great spin on the attitude of those occupying. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: That is a great idea! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52:12 PM
great idea. i can help tomorrow On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed I think the donuts seem to make fun of the cops, def avoiding donuts, fruit and bagels sounds nice, get em in shape! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Maybe though a fruit plate and generic pastries (bagels) so it doesn't seem like we're making fun of the cops with donuts. The last thing we need is a picture of a NYPD ONLY sign on a table full of Dunkin Donuts boxes (not to mention that they are a huge fucking chain [that makes terrible coffee]) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing idea. Making this happen should be a priority. Many of the headlines I've been seeing seem to promote the number of arrests. This could put a great spin on the attitude of those occupying. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: That is a great idea! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with
Lupe. Thanks, Micah
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:07:08 AM
To help with this idea, get in touch with Lucas Vazquez at lucasbostero20@gmail.com and 631 741 0531 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: great idea. i can help tomorrow
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed I think the donuts seem to make fun of the cops, def avoiding donuts, fruit and bagels sounds nice, get em in shape! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Maybe though a fruit plate and generic pastries (bagels) so it doesn't seem like we're making fun of the cops with donuts. The last thing we need is a picture of a NYPD ONLY sign on a table full of Dunkin Donuts boxes (not to mention that they are a huge fucking chain [that makes terrible coffee]) On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing idea. Making this happen should be a priority. Many of the headlines I've been seeing seem to promote the number of arrests. This could put a great spin on the attitude of those occupying. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: That is a great idea! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Lucas Vazquez <lucasbostero20@gmail.com> wrote: I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to
pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lucas Vazquez september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] idea from Lupe Fiasco Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:37:50 PM
I can take care of that Micah. Just let me know the specifics. My number is 631 741 0531 Solidarity, Lucas Vazquez On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, Lupe Fiasco has an idea and is looking for a volunteer. He wants to pay for a table at the occupation that "says 'NYPD officers only' that has donuts/ pastries and hot coffee and cups...and we have to keep it stocked and open strictly for the police...lemme know a contact person on the ground that can set this up and maintain it I'll get the money over to them to make it happen...we gotta have the cops sympathetic to the cause...it will thin the atmosphere and decrease tension..." If you like this idea, please email me asap and I'll connect you with Lupe. Thanks, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry events Monday, September 19, 2011 8:04:21 PM
nice
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From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:05 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Outreach
What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and publicity to call people downtown? http://mashable.com/sgs/ possible action there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry events Monday, September 19, 2011 11:50:55 AM
oh crap the hedge funds event tomorrow looks like an amazing opportunity for an action: http://www.linkedin.com/osview/canvas? _ch_page_id=1&_ch_panel_id=1&_ch_app_id=7083120&_applicationId=2000&_ownerId=0&appParams={%22go_to%22:%22events/743678%22,%22referrer%22:%22public%22} On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Here are a bunch of industry conferences that I put together a few weeks ago for the follow-up actions to May 12. October. New York will have another week of actions focused on banks Oct 10-15 similar coalition to May 12 th. 10 cities will be doing actions from Spet 20 end of
New York 9/8-9 Marketing and Client Servicing for Hedge Funds, Financial Research Associates The Princeton Club, New York, Link: www.frallc.com 9/13 5th Annual Hedge Fund General Counsel Summit, ALM Media, The Harvard Club, New York, Link: www.cvent.com
9/07 Project Finance NY 2011 New York New York 9/12 Forex Trading for Retail Traders Summit New York NY 9/14 Cyber Defense Summit 2011 , Microsoft NY/NJ Briefing Center, NY, NY, US 9/15 Gamification Summit New York NY 9/15 Asset Raising and Ucits for US Managers, Infovest21, Waldorf Astoria, New York, www.infovest21.com
9/19 Investor Event: Cap Intro: Credit / Fixed Income Alternative Investing, Catalyst Financial Partners Omni Berkshire Place, New York, Link: www.catalystforum.com 9/19 Morning Investor Seminar: Role of Hedge Funds in Large and Small Endowments/Foundations Infovest21, Princeton Club, New York, www.infovest21.com 9/20 The Finadium 2011 Conference, New York, United States, Link: www.finadium.com 9/20 Hedge Funds Event :: Capital Introduction After Dodd-Frank , Harvard Club of New York City, New York, NY, US 9/21 Social Media in Financial Services: Opportunities, Compliance and Technology Bayards, New York, 9/22 Year Up Fall Fete, Hudson Terrace, New York, NY, US 9/23 Vault Diversity Recruiting Expo (Financial Services) Eventi, A Kimpton Hotel, New York, NY, US
9/28-29 Private Equity Analyst Conference, Dow Jones, : Waldorf-Astoria, New York Link: www.peaconference.dowjones.com 10/04 Hedge Funds World LatAm 2011 New York 10/05 Small Business Expo - New York City New York City New York 10/5 2nd Annual Business Process Management and Technology Innovation Forum and Expo , The Yale Club of New York City, New York, NY, US 10/6 25 Most Powerful Women in Banking, New York, NY 10/07 China Leaders Forum 2011 New York City 10/ 11 Fourth Annual Retirement 360, Metropolitan Club of New York, New York, NY 10/11 Business Information Architecture Summit 2011, Pier Sixty, New York, NY 10/12 ETF 360 Summit, The Metropolitan Club, New York, NY 10/13 FT View from the Top: The Future of America New York New York 10/17 Financial Innovation Technology Forum New York New York 10/17 TradeTech Architecture 2011 New York New York 10/23-25 LIMRA Annual Meeting , Hilton New York, New York, NY, US
10/24 Global Academy of Business and Economic Research New York New York GABER International meetings provide an uniqueopportunity for academics, practitioners, andpolicy makers to exchange ideas in the fields ofbusiness, economics and management. 10/16 18 The Bond Buyer's 2nd Annual 501(c)3 Super Conference: Healthcare, Higher Education & Non-Profit Institutions, New York Marriott Marquis, New Y 11/07 Climate Insights: Financial Opportunities New York New York 11/08 4th Annual Risk Management in Energy Trading Conference , http://www.marcusevansch.com/RMET_Event 11/8-9 Asset and Liability Management For Banks , Exploring Innovative Metrics to Review Assets and Liabilities while Mitigating Interest Rate Risk , New York City, NY
11/30 AEROSPACE & DEFENSE FINANCE CONFERENCE New York NY 12/5Cards and Payments Loyalty Conference, Roosevelt Hotel, New York, NY 12/6 9th Annual Financial Services Marketing Symposium, Roosevelt Hotel, New York, NY 12/8 The Bond Buyer's 10th Annual Deal of the Year Awards, Essex House, New York, NY
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of grimwomyn Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:05 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Outreach
What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and publicity to call people downtown? http://mashable.com/sgs/ possible action there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Sean Captain september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 1:00:44 PM
Are you thinking of doing flash mobs in those lobbies? On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Conor Toms Reed wrote: Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teachins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)
The Partnership for New York City is an industry association of all the wealthy players in NY - just off of Broadway not far from Staten Island Ferry is a great place too!
http://www.pfnyc.org/partners-list.html
The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP Chase Plaza http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx? p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid=115062&vnf=1
Great Lobbies in WS area

Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including subway Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west side JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible Partnership Building ATT&T on Water Street One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12:35 PM
it could happen, and I could advise on it- I used to work there, as for being there in person, I am a single parent with no family so I really cannot get arrested. However, I know all those old culturals like the back of my hand, and the social events, which I am combing through now... I can advise and strategize For the dinner-- you will not be able to get inside the building, but a candlelight vigil outside would be haunting and perfect On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Sean Captain <sean@seancaptain.com> wrote: Are you thinking of doing flash mobs in those lobbies? On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Conor Toms Reed wrote: Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teachins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)
Great Lobbies in WS area Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including subway Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west side JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible Partnership Building ATT&T on Water Street One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 1:12:17 PM
So, another high profile target to consider for tomorrow, and evening event that will be totally unexpected and would make a lot of noise would be to have an action at the New York Public Library's $25K a plate dinner tomorrow night. Usually the exact speakers/attendees of the events are kept hush hush until after, but here is a recent example: http://newyorkpubliclibrary.org/audiovideo/presidents-council-fall-dinnerron-chernow-and-jon-meacham all of the attendees will be linked to the corporate power structure in one way or another. The location is the main building at 42nd and 5th ave, with a park behind the library, Bryant Park: http://g.co/maps/uxkxk The board of the NYPL is comprised of the top 1% and is just a great general target for a peaceful powerful action. For all it will scream abt how they are a struggling NGO, the library is worth over a billion culled from it's donors. So there will be a large splash of attention with little if any collateral damage to NYPL. Bryant Park is usually crowded from the early afternoon on, so you could do a lot of outreach there prior in conjunction if you would like. Mix of both natives and tourists and it is public space. 2011/9/19 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teach-ins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 1:39:13 PM
This is a suggestion for people to hopefully discuss/decide/implement at the general assembly. Not a concrete plan as of yet.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Sean Captain <sean@seancaptain.com> wrote: Are you thinking of doing flash mobs in those lobbies? On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Conor Toms Reed wrote: Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teachins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)
The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP Chase Plaza
http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx? p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid=115062&vnf=1
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 12:29:21 PM
Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teach-ins/parties in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. see y'all tonight, -Conor On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: Again Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)
Great Lobbies in WS area Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including subway Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west side JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible
Partnership Building ATT&T on Water Street One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] inviting the homeless? Wednesday, September 21, 2011 4:25:14 PM
I am not taking a side on this, but provacateurs could be anybody, and I'm sure we've had a few. I would also like to point out that there are many who are not homeless or even jobless that have a hard time paying for food. There are definitely kids that come to my school hungry. There is definitely a risk with inviting people who may be mentally unstable, but we should also realize that as things get worse, there will be more and more jobless and more and more mental health problems to go with it. The current policies at work pretty much assure that. On 09/21/11, Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I strongly disagree. We could invite a few individual homeless who we get to know and trust or those that we know like members of the Picture the Homeless organization who were around Bloombergville and would probably agree with our orientation. It would be better for us to support the struggles and activities of such a homeless organization, as some of us from Bloombergville did. But an open invitation to the homeless not only could bring in problems bigger than we could handle, such as unstable individuals, but is the easiest way to sneak in police provocateurs to start trouble and create an excuse for breaking up the camp. In Madison, Wisconsin when teachers and other trade unionists were occupying the state capitol building for weeks, a call came to the right wing Gov. Walker, allegedly from his billionaire backer, oil tycoon David Koch, but in fact from an impersonating union supporter who taped the call. The Koch impersonator suggested they bring in some troublemakers to break up the occupation and Walker found it completely understandable that Koch would say so, and the governor admitted on tape that they had been considering doing so.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yoni Golijov Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:00 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000?
Also people who are homeless could be invited to sleep at Liberty park, not to use them but to invite them as equals and people who the system has utterly failed, housing is a human right, and Hoovervilles were because people actually were
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] inviting the homeless? Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:43:46 PM
Agreed Jackie H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: I strongly disagree. We could invite a few individual homeless who we get to know and trust or those that we know like members of the Picture the Homeless organization who were around Bloombergville and would probably agree with our orientation. It would be better for us to support the struggles and activities of such a homeless organization, as some of us from Bloombergville did.
But an open invitation to the homeless not only could bring in problems bigger than we could handle, such as unstable individuals, but is the easiest way to sneak in police provocateurs to start trouble and create an excuse for breaking up the camp.
In Madison, Wisconsin when teachers and other trade unionists were occupying the state capitol building for weeks, a call came to the right wing Gov. Walker, allegedly from his billionaire backer, oil tycoon David Koch, but in fact from an impersonating union supporter who taped the call. The Koch impersonator suggested they bring in some troublemakers to break up the occupation and Walker found it completely understandable that Koch would say so, and the governor admitted on tape that they had been considering doing so.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yoni Golijov Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:00 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] $6000?
Also people who are homeless could be invited to sleep at Liberty park, not to use them but to invite them as equals and people who the system has utterly failed, housing is a human right, and Hoovervilles were because people actually were
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Labor contacts Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:59:51 PM
This is great, Jackie, we really need to expand the movement! On Sep 18, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: Nelini Stamp from the Working Families Party has been organizing a group from Occupy Wall Street at Zucotti Park to do labor support actions. She was going to try to call a working group together after the General Assembly (but so far it hasnt seemed to ever end). The plan that was being made was to go between 2 and 2:30 tomorrow, Monday, to the Central Park Boathouse (E. 72nd St inside the park) to join the picket line of Local 6 of the Hotel Trades Council who are trying to get recognition and a contract. Many were fired for supporting the union. After that we may go to Sothebys (E 72nd St. and York Ave,) to support striking workers from Teamster Local 814. These are tough struggles. We should support them and ask them to send spokespersons to come to the Occupy Wall Street group and ask for support.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:44 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Question
I second labor support, mobilization and outreach to workers. Especially those threatened by layoffs in DC 37 and ATU. -K On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: We'll see about that tonight.... Btw - acampada sol had 20 people first night. When arrests were made, thousands were in the street the next day. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~
There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. > > -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let >> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during
>> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < >> micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation >> going? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >> >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the >> situation? If >> >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Micah >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Labor Outreach/Support Monday, September 19, 2011 10:59:15 PM
That is great! Additionally, Outreach met and we had 35 people participate. We developed a plan. We will be targeting many groups including labor..notes coming soon. We decided to meet again at 7pm tomorrow evening for flyer and assignment distribution. You are welcome to join this meeting. We are calling for a Day of Outreach on Wednesday. On Monday, September 19, 2011, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > A labor oriented group is forming at Occupy Wall Street. We have contacted some unions in struggle. We are intending to join the picket line of the locked out workers at Sothebys (72nd St and York Ave.) at a time still being set by Teamsters Local 814 who have asked us to come on Thursday. There will be a flyer to invite people to join us. > > > > We are also planning to go to the picket of the Hotel Trades Local 6 which is fighting for a union and a contract at the Boathouse in Central Park at 72nd St. Workers there said they need us most on the weekend. > > > > We will try to make further plans at a meeting at the Occupy Wall Street encampment in Liberty Park (Liberty St & Broadway) at 7:40 PM Tuesday so long as it doesnt conflict with a General Assembly. We will check that out and make an adjustment if necessary. > > > > Come to the meeting, bring others and get others to join us on the picket lines. > > > > If you are interested in joining the committee, show up or email me at jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com. > > > > Jackie DiSalvo
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Labor support at occupy wall street Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:54:02 AM
Here is a list of public spaces (privately owned) in lower manhattan, some of which are covered... http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/priv/mndist1.shtml On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Does anyone know of a convenient place we can meet at 7:40 tonight, Tues night, if there is rain?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Labor Monday, September 19, 2011 4:11:22 PM
I will make a proposal for the general assembly to coordinate support actions for labor groups, I may even get to do it tonight. BTW - We are occupying the shit out of Wall St. (otherwise known as Zucotti Park) and it feels damn good. -Kelley On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Ive so far been unable to find out whether this labor support got organized since everyone seemed involved with the General Assembly focused on Monday at Wall Street.
Ill find out in the morning and let you know. If not, well go on another day.
From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:45 PM
Nelini Stamp from the Working Families Party has been organizing a group from Occupy Wall Street at Zucotti Park to do labor support actions. She was going to try to call a working group together after the General Assembly (but so far it hasnt seemed to ever end). The plan that was being made was to go between 2 and 2:30 tomorrow, Monday, to the Central Park Boathouse (E. 72nd St inside the park) to join the picket line of Local 6 of the Hotel Trades Council who are trying to get recognition and a contract. Many were fired for supporting the union. After that we may go to Sothebys (E 72nd St. and York Ave,) to support striking workers from Teamster Local 814. These are tough struggles. We should support them and ask them to send spokespersons to come to the Occupy Wall Street group and ask for support.
I second labor support, mobilization and outreach to workers. Especially those threatened by layoffs in DC 37 and ATU.
-K On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: We'll see about that tonight....
Btw - acampada sol had 20 people first night. When arrests were made, thousands were in the street the next day.
Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler
~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. >
> -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let >> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >>
>> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during >> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < >> micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation >> going? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >> >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the >> situation? If >> >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Micah >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Labor Monday, September 19, 2011 1:32:45 AM
Ive so far been unable to find out whether this labor support got organized since everyone seemed involved with the General Assembly focused on Monday at Wall Street. Ill find out in the morning and let you know. If not, well go on another day.
From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:45 PM
Nelini Stamp from the Working Families Party has been organizing a group from Occupy Wall Street at Zucotti Park to do labor support actions. She was going to try to call a working group together after the General Assembly (but so far it hasnt seemed to ever end). The plan that was being made was to go between 2 and 2:30 tomorrow, Monday, to the Central Park Boathouse (E. 72nd St inside the park) to join the picket line of Local 6 of the Hotel Trades Council who are trying to get recognition and a contract. Many were fired for supporting the union. After that we may go to Sothebys (E 72nd St. and York Ave,) to support striking workers from Teamster Local 814. These are tough struggles. We should support them and ask them to send spokespersons to come to the Occupy Wall Street group and ask for support.
I second labor support, mobilization and outreach to workers. Especially those threatened by layoffs in DC 37 and ATU. -K On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: We'll see about that tonight.... Btw - acampada sol had 20 people first night. When arrests were made, thousands were in the street the next day. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice!
Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. > > -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let >> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at
>> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during >> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list.
>> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < >> micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation >> going? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >> >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the >> situation? If >> >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Micah >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:58:06 PM
This is really great!
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books,
watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:21:33 AM
I will tutor science. I have some random little science things from my old school. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:47 PM, M C <tebefoto@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi people, what a lovely idea! Since I've been bringing with my 2 y.o. son to the Liberty sq. occasionally, Im sure that would be a great help for activists who are also full time parents, like myself. Ive being on the media group since last week, and could do that job only when my son was taken care of by his dad, who works full time 9-6. So I was working with media team only weekend and nights. I was talking to Kristin yesterday, and we discussed the idea of a little kids circle. I don't think I've met Metthew and Kelley yet, would love to talk to you guys tomorrow, if you're around. Im Maria, if you could find me and my son tomorrow around media station somewhere would be awesome. PS Nicolas, the book sounds fantastic, I'd love to take a look!
From: NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Lil' Occupiers
I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great! <images-1.jpg>
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza-picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:51:17 AM
Okay, perhaps this upcoming Sunday is too ambitious for a formal childcare infrastructure, so I'm willing to advertise October 2 as the real beginning date. In the meantime, however, I'll be doing plenty to offer activities and hope to organize with others around this. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: I LOVE THIS DATE sunday oct 2! PLUS SAT oct 1 a big event in NYC is taking place to end nuclear power... maybe can promote this at GA as well! event is planned at pier 55 http://www.coalitionagainstnukes.org/ not sure if children-friendly activities are planned for this event but i will find out and report back On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah let's make Sunday the goal! > I'd be more than happy to tutor (especially math!), but I also agree that > it'd be important to have kid's books and activities that deal with issues > related to why their parent(s) might be coming to the occupation. I can get > a pretty good amount of materials if there is interest. > Kelley, if you could reach out to those families from Bloombergville, that'd > be incredibly helpful! > > Matt > On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: > > Can we set this up for this weekend? Maybe have a few hours on sunday be our > first children's day? > > On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like >> this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's >> literature that we might be able to get them to donate >> maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ >> Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of >>> Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to >>> Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you >>> would like this! >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is really great! >>>> >>>> </mail/u/0/s/? view=att&th=1328ef757721d6e5&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=a7ec0faa508a98c9_0.1&zw> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote:
>>>> >>>> Hey Matthew! >>>> I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at >>>> Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar >>>> actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to >>>> teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can >>>> make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? >>>> In solidarity, >>>> Kelley >>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>> In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us >>>>> have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that >>>>> to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to >>>>> reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing >>>>> to this endeavor. >>>>> Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You >>>>> can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third >>>>> grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also >>>>> has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. >>>>> While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to >>>>> obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture >>>>> books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? >>>>> Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the >>>>> works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get >>>>> involved! >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:30:00 AM
I LOVE THIS DATE sunday oct 2! PLUS SAT oct 1 a big event in NYC is taking place to end nuclear power... maybe can promote this at GA as well! event is planned at pier 55 http://www.coalitionagainstnukes.org/ not sure if children-friendly activities are planned for this event but i will find out and report back On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah let's make Sunday the goal! > I'd be more than happy to tutor (especially math!), but I also agree that > it'd be important to have kid's books and activities that deal with issues > related to why their parent(s) might be coming to the occupation. I can get > a pretty good amount of materials if there is interest. > Kelley, if you could reach out to those families from Bloombergville, that'd > be incredibly helpful! > > Matt > On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: > > Can we set this up for this weekend? Maybe have a few hours on sunday be our > first children's day? > > On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like >> this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's >> literature that we might be able to get them to donate >> maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ >> Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen >> <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of >>> Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to >>> Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you >>> would like this! >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud >>> <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is really great! >>>> >>>> </mail/u/0/s/? view=att&th=1328ef757721d6e5&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=a7ec0faa508a98c9_0.1&zw> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Matthew! >>>> I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at >>>> Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar >>>> actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to
>>>> teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can >>>> make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? >>>> In solidarity, >>>> Kelley >>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto >>>> <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>> In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us >>>>> have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that >>>>> to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to >>>>> reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing >>>>> to this endeavor. >>>>> Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You >>>>> can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third >>>>> grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also >>>>> has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. >>>>> While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to >>>>> obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture >>>>> books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? >>>>> Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the >>>>> works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get >>>>> involved! >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:04:44 AM
Completely agree Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott <misskellz@gmail.com> wrote: I like the ideas about literature we can pitch to kids for families that are interested, but I am concerned that people may see children as an opportunity to politicize the movement. I think that we should provide teaching related services that DO NOT have an agenda, and treat children in a respectful way that allows them to explore their own ideas about what is fair or not fair without imposing an adult agenda. I am more interested in offering services that can appeal to all communities that are more practical and less political. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:29 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great! <images-1.jpg>
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote:
Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:06:55 PM
I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great!
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any
interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:06:13 PM
And maybe add free tutoring services/homework help that any teacher/responsible adult that goes through training and screening could participate in? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great!
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor.
Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:29:31 PM
This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great!
On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza-picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
I like the ideas about literature we can pitch to kids for families that are interested, but I am concerned that people may see children as an opportunity to politicize the movement. I think that we should provide teaching related services that DO NOT have an agenda, and treat children in a respectful way that allows them to explore their own ideas about what is fair or not fair without imposing an adult agenda. I am more interested in offering services that can appeal to all communities that are more practical and less political. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:29 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great!
Hey Matthew! I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? In solidarity, Kelley On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza-picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! Matt
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:42:39 PM
Can we set this up for this weekend? Maybe have a few hours on sunday be our first children's day? On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ > Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >>> This is really great! >>> </mail/u/0/s/? view=att&th=1328ef757721d6e5&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=a7ec0faa508a98c9_0.1&zw> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Hey Matthew! >>> I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? >>> In solidarity, >>> Kelley >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. >>>> Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. >>>> While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? >>>> Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! >>>> >>>> Matt >>>
>>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:54:01 PM
Yeah let's make Sunday the goal! I'd be more than happy to tutor (especially math!), but I also agree that it'd be important to have kid's books and activities that deal with issues related to why their parent(s) might be coming to the occupation. I can get a pretty good amount of materials if there is interest. Kelley, if you could reach out to those families from Bloombergville, that'd be incredibly helpful! Matt On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: Can we set this up for this weekend? Maybe have a few hours on sunday be our first children's day? On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ > Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >>> This is really great! >>> </mail/u/0/s/? view=att&th=1328ef757721d6e5&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=a7ec0f aa508a98c9_0.1&zw> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Hey Matthew! >>> I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that
wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? >>> In solidarity, >>> Kelley >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. >>>> Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. >>>> While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? >>>> Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! >>>> >>>> Matt >>> >>> >> > >
I was thinking the Sunday after this one so we have time to invite families and have well planned events for them. I can't realistically pull it off by this Sunday, as I am totally booked with curriculum night etc. until Friday @ 9pm. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: Yeah let's make Sunday the goal! I'd be more than happy to tutor (especially math!), but I also agree that it'd be important to have kid's books and activities that deal with issues related to why their parent(s) might be coming to the occupation. I can get a pretty good amount of materials if there is interest. Kelley, if you could reach out to those families from Bloombergville, that'd be incredibly helpful! Matt On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MAd Hatter wrote: Can we set this up for this weekend? Maybe have a few hours on sunday be our first children's day? On Wednesday, September 21, 2011, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > This is AMAZING!! Yes I would love to be able to utilize something like this! I think Bluestockings Bookstore has some other radical children's literature that we might be able to get them to donate maybe.... http://bluestockings.com/ > Thanks! I am gonna start tweeting #liloccupiers to promote it.... > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! >> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >>> >>> This is really great! >>> </mail/u/0/s/? view=att&th=1328ef757721d6e5&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=a7ec 0faa508a98c9_0.1&zw> >>> >>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Kelley Wolcott wrote: >>> >>> Hey Matthew! >>> I would like to coordinate another Family Day like I did at Bloombergville, the parents and kids loved it, and wanted to do more similar actions. It was a great real world experience for families that wanted to teach their kids about social and economic justice. I'm not sure if I can make it happen this week end but maybe the weekend after? Interested? >>> In solidarity, >>> Kelley >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> In an effort to make the General Assembly more accessible, some of us have been talking about coordinating a childcare center. I don't expect that to fully materialize for another few days, but in the meantime, I want to reach out to folks again to see if there's is any interest in contributing to this endeavor. >>>> Or, if you're a parent, let me know if this would be of use to you. You can trust me; I'm a graduate student for elementary education and am a third grade teacher. The other person who has expressed interest, Kristin, also has a background in education and is currently a substitute teacher. >>>> While we're waiting for more folks to join in, I'm going to try to obtain and bring all sort of relevant supplies to Liberty Plaza--picture books, watercolors, boardgames, etc. Any other suggestions? >>>> Anyone doing outreach, please mention that such a project is in the works. I think it will encourage a lot more parents to come and get involved! >>>> >>>> Matt >>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M C september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:47:53 PM
Hi people, what a lovely idea! Since I've been bringing with my 2 y.o. son to the Liberty sq. occasionally, Im sure that would be a great help for activists who are also full time parents, like myself. Ive being on the media group since last week, and could do that job only when my son was taken care of by his dad, who works full time 9-6. So I was working with media team only weekend and nights. I was talking to Kristin yesterday, and we discussed the idea of a little kids circle. I don't think I've met Metthew and Kelley yet, would love to talk to you guys tomorrow, if you're around. Im Maria, if you could find me and my son tomorrow around media station somewhere would be awesome. PS Nicolas, the book sounds fantastic, I'd love to take a look!
From: NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> To: september17@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Lil' Occupiers
I have a story book called Tales for Little Rebels: A Collection of Radical Children's Literature, with stories ranging from Dr. Seuss to Bolshevik sponsored "Fairy Tales for Worker's Children". Let me know if you would like this! On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is really great!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com kristinlschall@gmail.com Re: [september17discuss] Lil" Occupiers Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:39:05 PM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] lunch today Monday, September 19, 2011 11:31:52 AM
what about the food money that was donated? Even though the google review is not so good there is a Key Food (very affordable grocery) a few blocks away from the park: http://g.co/maps/ebkgu On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:25 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Hey y'all, Telly over at liberato's pizza informed me we only have about 8-10 pizzas coming for lunch, so I re-blasted our crowd-source call. OccupyWallStNYC: ANNOUNCEMENT - @liberatospizza is taking your lunch orders 4 us! (212) 344-3464 or http://t.co/YWit6Qvx #needsoftheoccupiers #sep17 PLEASE RETWEET, REPOST, etc etc... we have a lot of people 2 feed! Also, can we be ready 2 make arrangements 4 gluten free for lunch? someone please advise. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] lunch today Monday, September 19, 2011 11:30:25 AM
posted it here....https://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Wall-St/184749301592842, the occupywallst facebook page which now has 2400 likes. We had about 300 before saturday! It is growing like crazy.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:25 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey y'all, Telly over at liberato's pizza informed me we only have > about 8-10 pizzas coming for lunch, so I re-blasted our crowd-source > call. > > > OccupyWallStNYC: ANNOUNCEMENT - @liberatospizza is taking your lunch > orders 4 us! (212) 344-3464 or http://t.co/YWit6Qvx > #needsoftheoccupiers #sep17 > > PLEASE RETWEET, REPOST, etc etc... we have a lot of people 2 feed! > > Also, can we be ready 2 make arrangements 4 gluten free for lunch? > someone please advise. > > -justin >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 2:51:40 PM
Justine, I think you are definetly the best person to do this, and I'm glad that you have volunteered. I hope others also ask you to handle this. I have some experience with twilio, email me off-list if I can help you in any way. I'd expand your proposal slightly to be: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a number people can SMS with "join" to be added to the SMS list from their phone. Make sure people can leave the list by txting "stop" to the number as well 3. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. Micah On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I would like to build this for you guys if possible since I've already been handling telecom stuff like the toll free help line and have a telecom/network donation fund to pay for it. I agree with Micah that Twilio would probably be our best bet. Here's what I propose: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. I can have this set up in two days. Thoughts? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Twilio.com is also a good option, allows advanced programming and is easy to use. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
I have an account with grouptexting already, and it works well. Also, its number is a LONG CODE, meaning no extra fees for people to send/receive messages from us -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 3:02:42 PM
Micah you're absolutely correct on having a number people can text to subscribe, I completely forgot to mention that. Thank you so much for reminding me because I've already started working on it. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Justine, I think you are definetly the best person to do this, and I'm glad that you have volunteered. I hope others also ask you to handle this. I have some experience with twilio, email me off-list if I can help you in any way. I'd expand your proposal slightly to be: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a number people can SMS with "join" to be added to the SMS list from their phone. Make sure people can leave the list by txting "stop" to the number as well 3. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. Micah
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I would like to build this for you guys if possible since I've already been handling telecom stuff like the toll free help line and have a telecom/network donation fund to pay for it. I agree with Micah that Twilio would probably be our best bet. Here's what I propose: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. I can have this set up in two days.
Thoughts? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Twilio.com is also a good option, allows advanced programming and is easy to use. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have an account with grouptexting already, and it works well. Also, its number is a LONG CODE, meaning no extra fees for people to send/receive messages from us -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 3:16:20 PM
+1 Justine! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Micah you're absolutely correct on having a number people can text to subscribe, I completely forgot to mention that. Thank you so much for reminding me because I've already started working on it. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Justine, I think you are definetly the best person to do this, and I'm glad that you have volunteered. I hope others also ask you to handle this. I have some experience with twilio, email me off-list if I can help you in any way. I'd expand your proposal slightly to be: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a number people can SMS with "join" to be added to the SMS list from their phone. Make sure people can leave the list by txting "stop" to the number as well 3. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. Micah
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I would like to build this for you guys if possible since I've already been handling telecom stuff like the toll free help line and have a telecom/network donation fund to pay for it. I agree with Micah that Twilio would probably be our best bet. Here's what I propose: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list.
2. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. I can have this set up in two days. Thoughts? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Twilio.com is also a good option, allows advanced programming and is easy to use. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have an account with grouptexting already, and it works well. Also, its number is a LONG CODE, meaning no extra fees for people to send/receive messages from us -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al
-Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 3:43:09 PM
Hey guys, I've also created an account on textmarks.com Do we already HAVE an account or shall I pass this one off to you Justine? I'll be down town in 30, hope to see you on the ground. -Drew On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Yoni Golijov <aycofspades@gmail.com> wrote: +1 Justine! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Micah you're absolutely correct on having a number people can text to subscribe, I completely forgot to mention that. Thank you so much for reminding me because I've already started working on it. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Justine, I think you are definetly the best person to do this, and I'm glad that you have volunteered. I hope others also ask you to handle this. I have some experience with twilio, email me off-list if I can help you in any way. I'd expand your proposal slightly to be: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a number people can SMS with "join" to be added to the SMS list from their phone. Make sure people can leave the list by txting "stop" to the number as well 3. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. Micah
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I would like to build this for you guys if possible since I've already been handling telecom stuff like the toll free help line and have a telecom/network donation fund to pay for it. I agree with Micah that Twilio would probably be our best bet. Here's what I propose: 1. Create a page on OccupyWallSt.org that allows people to add/remove their phone number to the SMS list. 2. Create a web page only members from the media committee can see that allows you to enter a text message, hit send, and the server will forward it to every phone number on the list. I can have this set up in two days. Thoughts? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Twilio.com is also a good option, allows advanced programming and is easy to use. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have an account with grouptexting already, and it works well. Also, its number is a LONG CODE, meaning no extra fees for people to send/receive messages from us -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to
everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Mass Text Service (Information is Power) Friday, September 23, 2011 1:40:55 PM
Twilio.com is also a good option, allows advanced programming and is easy to use. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I have an account with grouptexting already, and it works well. Also, its number is a LONG CODE, meaning no extra fees for people to send/receive messages from us -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: Peeps: Aas Foucault once wrote, "Information is Power"; if our movement allows information to cluster and remain stagnant in the hands of few inside our camp (such as the media group or the facilitators working group) without flowing to others we run the risk of marginalizing and creating a power hierarchy that will soon start showing its detrimental effects. We are doing a great job in making the information flow outwards to the world, and i believe we can do a better job at making that flow happen on the ground, at our camp! To that end, we could use a mass SMS online service where people register their phone #'s into a website platform and the media team can fire a torpedo with information to everyone on the ground. Furthermore, this can be used to coordinate operations, marches, warn of police presence, and other important information. This is the service: https://www.textmarks.com/ Much love and candy, Al -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Media Center Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:02:23 AM
Just want to indicate my total support for placing the media center in a local business. I like the idea of creating a single youtube channel as well, my content has been getting lots of hits, http://www.youtube.com/user/harrisontesoura?feature=mhsn
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: There is also Hive at 55 http://hiveat55.com/ I may have an in there-- let me know it is on 55 Broad which could be strategic. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I don't really know anything about the place but there is a little theatre called the 3LD Art & Technology Center, at 80 Greenwhich Str. I breifly spoke to someone there and they seemed receptive to our occupation. I can't get to the city right now, but if some else wanted to contact them it might be worth the try. (When I was there they were rehearsing a play on the sidewalk.)
On 09/20/11, Glenn Daniels Jr<glenndanielsjr@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea or present it to the Media Working Group. Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) spearheading these issues? I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Media Center Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:46:50 PM
There is also Hive at 55 http://hiveat55.com/ I may have an in there-- let me know it is on 55 Broad which could be strategic. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I don't really know anything about the place but there is a little theatre called the 3LD Art & Technology Center, at 80 Greenwhich Str. I breifly spoke to someone there and they seemed receptive to our occupation. I can't get to the city right now, but if some else wanted to contact them it might be worth the try. (When I was there they were rehearsing a play on the sidewalk.)
On 09/20/11, Glenn Daniels Jr<glenndanielsjr@gmail.com> wrote: Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea or present it to the Media Working Group. Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) spearheading these issues? I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Media Group: Photographer Available Friday, September 23, 2011 12:56:55 AM
Sorry to answer so late, I missed this thread. The slideshow idea is very simple, maybe just following the Barcelona format: just having participants pose for a photo portrait against a blank sheet (this way the attention is more focused on peoples faces and expressions), at a specific spot of our square. People can bring their own signs or objects to express the reasons why they are attending OccupyWallSt. Saturday would be a great day to do this. We can announce that and have also some signs saying "Faces of the 99%", or something along those lines. I'll be there tomorrow around 3:30-4pm. See you tomorrow! 2011/9/22 grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> A friend of mine is in town for a documentary and to cover the OWS effort.. if there are things that you would like to be focused on (like the diversity of participants) let me know and I will forward on... CheersOn Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: great ideas! On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Vicente Rubio wrote: Hi, these are two simple suggestion for the media people. I would have done them by myself if I knew how to do it and have the necessary material, but I don't, so I throw the idea here just in case someone finds it useful. I offer any help I can to whoever is interested in doing this. music video Do you remember Saturday's assembly, when someone started to sing Journey's "Don't stop believing"? Everyone there started singing. It may sound not very "radical", but it was probably my favorite moment of that night (and there were plenty of them!). Very nice, warm and funny moment. Why don't edit a video using that song? We could use lots of footage of the assemblies, and even some frames of participants singing to the camera. Whatever works. I know. The song is cheesy. That's precisely a strong part of its power. It has a meaning for the Liberty Plaza community, but also is a famous song (a subtle, powerful depiction of the american working class everyday life) and contains an encouraging message. Really good for a viral! Journey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0 Glee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWMYGLxSWPM (I personally prefer the original by Journey. Glee's is maybe more
popular now, but Journey's retains the working class element) slideshow In Barcelona they use to have a gallery of photos of participants. They are amazing, precisely because they show the enormous diversity among the people there. Here is a slideshow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63055421@N04/sets/721576267837087 62/show/with/5748872448/ Would it be possible to arrange a similar gallery?Just having a photographer taking such portraits at different times of the day. In doing so, we can try to communicate the existing diversity of the movement we want to build. This could be posted to the NYCGA blog. What do you think? You all must be exhausted. Just let me know if there's anybody interested.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:41:12 AM
End the Occupation of Palestine! Begin the Occupation of Wall Street! On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: I'd say less "clear it with the GA" and more of make it clear to the Palestine protestors that the OWS/W99 thing isn't specifically about Palestine, but you personally (and maybe a lot of other people there ) believe that the oppression of Palestine and the out-of-control greed of the one percent are intimately linked. --glj On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and > this could be divisive. > > > > But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when > Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN > General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St > oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the > UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Isham > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38 AM > To: dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! > > > > We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the > Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a > flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. > > Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has > ability to print that would be helpful too. > > ********First Flyer*************** > > General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street)
8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly
**********Second Flyer*************** Occupy Wall Street People Over Profit March! Meet at Zuccotti Park (Broadway and Liberty St.) 5pm Thurs., Sept. 22nd
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:22:26 AM
Willie, Thanks for the clarification, but Im still not clear. Im just concerned about process and avoiding divisiveness, and people get a little crazy on the Palestine issue. There sometimes are fights around the UN between contending groupsnot provoked by pro-Palestine people. Can anyone put out anything and say its from Occupy Wall Street. I support the cause but didnt think I could claim to speak as Occupy Wall Street. PS dear friend, your tone sounds a little antagonistic. I have some ideas you might call ideological bullshit, but Id disagree; anti-ideology can itself be an ideology. Ive loved working with you, so I hope you wont speak as if Im a political enemy.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Willie Osterweil Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:20 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP!
Outreach never needs to be 'cleared' with the GA. The GA cant 'have a position' on Palestine, because the GA is not an ideological or representative body. The GA is a method by which individuals come together and make decisions on action and a way by which autonomous individuals work together. It is not merely a slow, psuedo-democratic method which lets authoritarian party-line bullshit in the back door. The reason this method is used is to avoid this form of conflict. The GA changes in composition every single meeting: as such, it also changes its ideology, ideas, commitment levels, etc. The 'GA' cannot have a political line for this reason. This sort of idea, 'clearing' something with the GA, is exactly what the GA is designed to avoid- ideological purity that stifles action and outreach. Isham, I would be happy to help you do outreach, but I don't really have access to printing resources. Can someone please print out fliers? We also need them more generally all the time, to do outreach at Freedom Plaza. Solidarity, Willie
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and this could be divisive. But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when Obama is
speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isham Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38 AM To: dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP!
We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street) 8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly **********Second Flyer*************** Occupy Wall Street People Over Profit March! Meet at Zuccotti Park (Broadway and Liberty St.) 5pm Thurs., Sept. 22nd

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