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Restricting Shirk - Salam all Today is the day to demolish the shirk of Mushrik Muslim, WittyBoy (WB) and his pals from among the kafirs. If you are not following this lengthy discussion, then at least you should be aware of the following: - Mushrik WB is passionately defending the Man Made rubbish books of hadith which he shirks with the book of Allah; what he is doing is not unique, all Mushrikoon before him and up to this moment did and do the same, they passionately defend their shirk. - Mushrik WB replied to the hadith, from Abi Dawoud Man Made book about Muawiah deleting the written hadith after Zaid informed him that he is not allowed to write hadith, by telling us, Muawiah was not a Khalifah at the time. Mushrik WB knows well that if the hadith had told us that Muawiah was the Khalifah at the time, then his associates big lie about the prophet will be exposed and destroyed. Their lie is simply, the prophet later on in his life and before his death allowed writing the hadith, which should lead to Muawiah never deleting the Man Made hadith that he wrote in a book. Therefore he is using the vagueness in the hadith not to make a point for him, rather to disable a point against him for which he will have no answer. His tactics is acceptable by me though, if you dont have an answer to an argument then try to disable or invalidate the argument. So I will give it to him this time and accept his argument which disabled my argument using that hadith about Muawiah. Now, if I prove to WB from his own Man Made books by the Sunnis sect followers that most of the sahaba especially the close ones to the prophet refused to write the sunnah in books and deleted any written sunnah in their Man Made books during the prophet time and after the prophets death, then the argument of Al-Mushrikoon concerning allowing to write the hadith during the prophet later time of his life must be dead and invalid. At that point inshaallah, WB will have no option but to submit to his Lord by stopping his shirk then work hard with the sincere Muslims to save their great religion from the sinful hands of those Mushrikoon bound to hell. This is what this comment all about, I will refer to and translate all hadith found in the first 17 pages of the following book: Book name: , i.e. Restricting Knowledge By: , Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi The book is divided in two main parts, the first part shows us all the hadith concerning the prophet and many of the sahaba refraining from writing hadith (sunnah), and if they already wrote it down, they had to delete it, or burn it, or Erased it in water. You have to know that the author of this book is not against writing hadith, otherwise he would have not written his own book about hadith. The author of this book is another Mushrik who disobeyed the prophet boldly and documented the hadith in a book defying the prophet command. That is why the author dedicated the second part of his Man Made book showing the opposite, i.e. the prophet and the sahaba allowed writing the hadith (sunnah). The interesting point is this, when you read the first part of the book which prohibits the

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writing of the hadith, you can sense merit and integrity in the told stories; in addition to that, you should also see clear compatibility with Quran. However, when you read the second part, you should sense the opposite, i.e. sensing non sense, manipulations and incompatibility with Quran, and even incompatibility with the first part of the same book by the same author. Of course that Mushrik author concluded that the Man Made hadith should be written, otherwise he would have convicted himself and all his hadith worshipping pals in his own book. Today, I am going to walk you through the first part; but in the second part, I will only show you the only evidence they presented from the Quran to support their allegation for writing the hadith. The reason of not replying to their evidences from their hadith supporting the writing of the hadith should be known by all who read my criticism, you all know that I dont reply to evidences presented against me from their Man Made rubbish books of hadith, on the other hand, myself as a complete hadith rejector and denier has the luxury to use such crap against its worshippers from among the kafirs and their fellow Mushrik Muslims; the kafirs and Mushriks will never have such luxury against me, THEY CAN ONLY USE QURAN AGAINST ME. The first 17 pages in this Man Made book takes us through the time of the prophet, then it moves to the time after his death (very early Muslims), then it moves to a later time after that, the time of the followers of the very early Muslims. So lets get the ball rolling: 1- The hadith from the prophet prohibiting writing the hadith: - - Abi Saeed Al-Khadri said that the prophet said: Do not write anything from me except Quran, and whoever wrote anything from me except Quran, he should Erased it. The above compelling proof from their own Man Made book is directly from prophet Muhammed and is repeated in this book through different chain of narrators 8 times, i.e. Mutawatir hadith (popular and is circulated orally a lot between the sahaba). We have seen already that Ahmed Ibn Hanbal listed it in his Man Made book 5 times through 5 different chains of narrators. --------------2- The hadith in which Abi Saeed Al-Khadri asked permission from the prophet to write the hadith but was refused: . Abi Saeed said: I asked permission from the prophet to write the hadith, but he did not allow me to do it. And Bukhari said it: He refused to allow me to do it.. The above hadith is repeated 3 times through different chains of narrators, in one of those three times, not only Abi Saeed who asked permission from the prophet to write hadith, but

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Abi Saeed and a few with him. This is how it was said: . Abi Saeed said: We asked the prophet to write (hadith), but he refused to allow us to do it. The above compelling proof from their own Man Made book is a prohibition from prophet Muhammed, it is repeated in this book through different chains of narrators 3 times. One of them was listed in Bukhari Man Made book as seen above: And Bukhari said it: He refused to allow me to do it. ----------------3- Abi Hurairah: Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah entered upon us while we were writing hadith, so he said: what is that you are writing? We said: The hadith we heard from you. The prophet said: A book other than the book of Allah you want? What misguided the nations before you is not but what they wrote of books next to the book of Allah. Then Abu Hurairah replied: Abu Hurairah then said: So we collected it all together and threw it in the fire. In another incident, it became known to the prophet that some people wrote his hadith: . Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah was informed that some people wrote his hadith, so he climbed into the stand then praised and thanked Allah and said: What are these books that you have written? Indeed, I am only a human, whoever has of these books should bring it in. So we collected it and destroyed it. Can you see how the prophet told them: , i.e. I am only a human. Why you reckon he might have told them so? Well, it implies to me that for a religious scripture to be followed, it has to be from God, not from any humans. ----------4- Zaid Ibn Thabit: This is the hadith about which Mushrik WB might be confused or lying, the hadith context is direct in that Muawiah was in a position of power, nothing but a Khalifah, however because

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the hadith did not mention so, WB took it as a chance to not to get busted lying, so I am going to give it him, considering how desperate and confused he is, yet the lesson of deleting the hadith should not be overlooked, especially that later on we should read clearly that the sahaba refrained themselves from writing hadith, as well deleted any written hadith years and years after the prophets death, which should proves without an atom weight of doubt that the Mushrikoon are lying and or confused: . Zaid Ibn Thabit entered upon Muawiah. Muawiah asked him about a hadith and commanded a man to write, so Zaid said to him: The messenger of Allah commanded us not to write anything from his hadith. So Muawiah deleted it In another hadith, Zaid Ibn Thabit said to Abdul Muttalib Ibn Hantab: . The prophet prohibited that his hadith be written in books. And that was how Zaid Ibn Thabit obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran. -------------------In the next section we should read some Mawqoof hadith, which means any hadith that is not linked to the prophet, just between the sahaba and themselves, this clearly means that the prophet was dead at that time, otherwise they would have consulted him so that he would have guided them to do the right thing. We have read earlier that Abi Saeed Al-Khadri was prohibited directly by the prophet to write any hadith said by the prophet other than Quran. Some years later, some people asked Abi Saeed Al-Khadri to write the hadith for them, lets see if Abi Saeed Al-Khadri obeyed the prophet or not: 5- Abi Saeed Al-Khadri: . Abi Nadrah said: We asked Abi Saeed to write the hadith for us as we cannot memorise, so he said: No, we will not write it to you nor will we make it scriptures, the messenger of Allah used to tell us hadith and we memorised it, therefore you have to memorise it from us as we memorised it from your prophet. See how Abi Saeed said: , i.e. nor will we make it scriptures. This confirms the previous point I made, that a written book to be followed must be a scripture from God, not from any human. It is obvious Abi Saeed dealt directly with the prophet in an incident that mentioned earlier in which he asked permission from the prophet to write his hadith, but the prophet refused.

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Therefore Abi Saeed who was talking above about the dead prophet must have been obeying his commands. In another incident the same guy Abi Nadrah informed Abi Saeed that they already wrote some hadith, so lets see how Abi Saeed reacted: . Abi Nadrah said: We said to Abi Saeed that we have written some hadith from the hadith of the messenger of Allah, so he (Abi Saeed) said: Delete it. And that was how Abi Saeed Al-Khadri obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran. ------------------6- Abdullah Ibn Masoud: Abi Al-Shaatha Al-Muharbi mentioned that Ibn Masoud despised writing hadith. . Shubi said that Abdul Rahaman Ibn Abdullah Ibn Masoud said: We used to hear the hadith and write it, but Abdullah Ibn Masoud knew, so he called us and brought what we wrote along with a bucket of water, then he washed it. . Masrooq said: Ibn Masoud said a hadith, so his son said to him: It is not as you said it before. So Ibn Masoud asked his son: And how did you know? His son replied: Because I wrote it when you said it before. So Ibn Masoud brought what his son wrote and washed it with water. Obviously the hadith chain of narrators included the son of Abdullah Ibn Masoud, whose name is Abdul Rahaman. I suspect the kids have grown and it was in a later time after the prophet died. And that was how Abdullah Ibn Masoud obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran. -----------------7- Abi Musa Al-Ashaari: . Abi Bardah said: I wrote many (hadith) books from my father (Abi Musa Al-Ashaari), but he deleted them and said: Take from us (through memorising) as we have taken (from the prophet).

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Abi Bardah said: Abu Musa used to narrate hadith to us, so myself and a comrade of mine wrote it down; one day he suspected that we wrote it, so he said to us: Did you write what you hear from me? They replied: Yes Abi Musa Al-Ashaari said: Bring them to me. We did, then he washed it with water and said: Memorise (the hadith) as we memorised (it). And that was how Abi Musa Al-Ashaari obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran. ------------------8- Abi Hurairah: . Saeed Ibn Abi Al-Hasan said: There was no one from the companions of the prophet who narrated more hadith than Abi Hurairah. And Marawan wanted to write the hadith narrated by Abi Hurairah but Abi Hurairah refused and said: Narrate hadith from us as we did. So when Abi Hurairah denied Marawan to write his hadith, Marawan called a writer and made Abu Hurairah tell him hadith while the writer wrote it. When Abu Hurairah finished his hadith, Marawan said to him: Did you know that we wrote all your hadith? Abu Hurairah said: Did you do it? Marawan said: Yes. Abu Hurairah said: Then read it to me. After Marawan read it to Abu Hurairah, Abu Hurairah said: It is either you memorise it or you obey me and delete it. So Marawan deleted the written hadith.

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. Abi Kathir said: I heard Aba Hurairah saying I dont conceal nor write (hadith). And that was how Abu Hurairah obeyed the prophet in not writing anything the prophet said except Quran. On the other hand it seems there is a huge contradiction in here; because in Bukhari Man Made book of hadith we read that Abu Hurairah concealed a great part of hadith, otherwise Omar Ibn Al-Khattab would have expelled him from the land, see:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =117&doc=0 Abu Hurairah said: I memorized from the prophet two things (two groups of hadith), one that I have already spread, and if I had spread the other, my throat would have been severed. Remember WB when I showed you earlier Omar Ibn Al-Khattab threatening Abu Hurairah to be expelled if he does not quit speaking hadith: From the book: , Sayar Aalaam Al-Nubalaa, i.e. The stories of noble ones Author: , in brief: Shams Al-Zahabi : . - - ) . )106/2 Saib Bin Yazeed heard Omar Ibn Al-Khattab saying to Abi Hurairah: You must stop speaking hadith or I will expel you to the land of Dous And Omar Ibn Al-Khattab said to Kaab Al-Ahbar: You must stop speaking hadith or I will expel you to the land of monkeys.[/color] What load of crap was that, so Abu Hurairah told us first:

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I do not conceal nor write (hadith).[/b] Yet we are told in Bukhari Man Made book that Abu Hurairah concealed a great part of hadith fearing for his safety or to be expelled to the land Dous in Yemen and for his pal, to the land of monkeys. This actually means that we cannot guarantee the integrity of the things alleged to be said by Abu Hurairah, and all of it must be dismissed. ---------------------9- Abdullah Ibn Abbas: . Abi Tawoos said that his father said: Ibn Abbas was asked a question by a man from the people of Najran, then Ibn Abbas liked the good question of that man, so the man told Ibn Abbas: Write the answer for me. So Ibn Abbas replied: Indeed, we do not write the knowledge (hadith). Tawoos said: A man used to write to Ibn Abbas asking him about some issues, he sent to Ibn Abbas another man with his questions written, so Ibn Abbas said to the man who delivered the written questions: Inform him that the answers are so and so, as we do not write in books other than personal messages and Quran. See how Ibn Abbas clearly identified the things they should write in books, the Quran and any personal message that is addressed to some individuals; this fact should destroy alMushrikoon lies that the prophet allowed writing hadith as he allowed writing the messages that he sent to Cesar and other rulers inviting them to Islam as alleged in the Man Made books of hadith. These messages were personal messages addressed to certain people, therefore as we read above by Ibn Abbas, writing such messages was allowed along with Quran, but never was writing the Man Made hadith allowed for the people to ponder upon Tawoos said: We were visiting Ibn Abbas who was saying hadith. A man named Saeed Ibn Jabir was writing what Ibn Abbas was saying. It was said to Ibn Abbas about those who were writing, so Ibn Abbas said: Did they indeed write (my hadith)? Then he stood up and left because he was of a good character. Was he not of a good character, he would behaved by something that would have been more than standing and leaving. And it seems that being of a good character with those Mushrikoon will take us no where other than more and more shirk, that is why I will not be of a good character with those filthy Mushrikoon, simply being of a good character did not work nor will it ever work. To confront those hardcore Mushrikoon and Iblis worshippers, I have to be as aggressive as I can than those filthy Mushrikoon so I can debate with merit and with their written references and beat them at their own game.

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Lets continue on . . Hanzalah Ibn Abi Suffian said: I heard Tawoos saying, when Ibn Abbas was blinded, the people used to ask him and write his answers, so a man from Ibn Abbas family came to him and informed him with those who were writing, so he stopped talking until he stood and left. It seems that the filthy Mushrikoon who want to write Man Made crap in books to worship were shifty enough to take the opportunity of the blindness of their teacher Abdullah Ibn Abbas so they can write his hadith while he is not aware of it. . Al-Hasan Ibn Muslim said that Saeed Ibn Jabir said: Indeed, Ibn Abbas prohibited writing the knowledge (hadith), and he used to say: Indeed, what misguided the nations before you is only the books. And that was how Abdullah Ibn Abbas obeyed the prophet in not writing anything the prophet said except Quran. ---------------------How clear that most of those before the Muslims were misguided because of the Man Made books they created. In fact Allah tells us clearly that if we walk in the land we should know that most of the people before us were Mushrikoon, see: )24 ) Say: Walk in the land and see how the consequence was for those before you. Most of them were polytheists. [Al Quran ; 30:42] Certainly those alleged hadith telling us that the people before us were destroyed not because they committed sins while not shirking with Allah anything, because we know well that Allah may forgive all sins except Shirk, i.e. those people before us were not but Mushrikoon, that is why they have to be destroyed by Allah because of their unforgivable crime of shirk. Another important fact that Muslims should be aware of, Allah never commanded us to write these Man Made books of hadith, nor His prophet, however Iblis on the other hand must have been commanding the Muslims to do the opposite which is to write these Man Made books so they fall prays to the unforgivable crime of shirk, the main objective of Iblis is simply, that Allah will never forgive us, and this can only happen if we listen to Iblis and obey him to write these Man Made books of hadith, see these verses: ) )89 So when you read the Quran, seek refuge in Allah from the pelted devil. [Al Quran ; 16:98] )99 )

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Indeed, he has no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord. [Al Quran ; 16:99] )001 ) His authority is only over those who take him as a guardian and those who are through him polytheists. [Al Quran ; 16:100] -> See how Allah started those 3 verses by telling us what to do when we read Quran, not when we read the Man Made books of rubbish hadith: when you read the Quran, seek refuge in Allah from the pelted devil. This pelted devil will have no power or authority over the ones who only rely upon Allah for everything including guidance, see: Indeed, he has no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord. Certainly not those who rely upon Man Made piles of contradicting rubbish of crap called hadith, as for those, they indeed worship Iblis by obeying him when he commanded them to write these Man Made of rubbish hadith, see: His authority is only over those who take him as a guardian and those who are through him polytheists. Indeed, through him they are Mushrikoon by obeying his commands which have to be the opposite to Allahs commands. See this verse: ) )06 Did I not enjoin you, O sons of Adam, that you should not worship the devil, (for) indeed, he is for you an obvious enemy. [Al Quran ; 36:60] -> See how Allah is warning all the people from Adam that we should never worship the devil: Did I not enjoin you, O sons of Adam, that you should not worship the devil, the mater of fact remains intact, that those who obey Iblis whose commands should always be the opposite to Allah commands are nothing but worshippers of Iblis. Lets move on to the next set of hadith from that book. ---------------------Continue below.. Click to see the latest list of the Life Dismissals of FFI

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Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy? by AhmedBahgat Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:43 am Read above first ^^^^^ 10- Abdullah Ibn Omar: Saeed Ibn Jabir said: The people of Al-Kofah received written questions for which Ibn Omar answered, one day I met him and asked him from what I have written in the book I have (without telling him that I have it in a written book), as had he known that I have a book, it would have been the end between us. Abdullah Ibn Omar suppose to be the one who narrated hadith more than Abu Hurairah, the reason for that as explained by Abu Hurairah was the fact that Abdullah was writing the hadith while Abu Hurairah did not write it, see this hadith from Sahih Bukhari Man Made book:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Disp ... =110&doc=0 Abu Hurairah said: No one of the companions of the prophet is narrating more hadith than me except Abudallah Ibn Omar, because he was writing it and I did not. How funny, so Abdullah Ibn Omar would have gone nuts and severed his relation with Saeed Ibn Jabir if he had found out that Saeed wrote his hadith, yet Ibn Omar was writing his own hadith himself as documented by Bukhari and alleged by Abu Hurairah. What is more revolting than the following is the following contradiction, Abu Hurairah just told us that Ibn Omar was # 1 hadith narrator, the one who narrated more hadith than even Abu Hurairah, yet we are told in Ibn Magih Man Made book that someone accompanied Ibn Omar for a year in which Ibn Omar never told a single hadith about the prophet, see:

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Source Al Shubi said: I have accompanied Ibn Omar for a year and I never heard him transferring any hadith that was said by the prophet. But Abu Hurairah just alleged in Bukhari Man Made book that Ibn Omar was the # 1 hadith narrator who narrated more hadith than Abu Hurairah himself. Yeh, I get it, Ibn Omar was taking a year long holiday without pay. What you will find to be even funnier, but revolting at the same time, is the following contradiction: We read earlier in point #8 that no one from the companions of the prophet narrated more hadith than Abu Hurairah, see: Saeed Ibn Abi Al-Hasan said: There was no one from the companions of the prophet who narrated more hadith than Abi Hurairah. Yet we have Abu Hurairah telling us in here that Abdullah Ibn Omar narrated more hadith than him. What a load of non sense and contradictions man, these contradictions make me sick? Well, this is exactly what I am talking about, if you put all these Man Made books together and start cross referencing them, you most likely will end up very confused or you just drop the whole fukin thing in the toilet and then flush it. With all these conflicting and contradicting accounts while al Mushrikoon insisting on upholding them, you should end up with numerous sects and ideologies, because you cannot accept them all, you have to accept some while rejecting the ones contradicting what you accepted. On the other hand we should also have those who accepted what was rejected by others and rejected what was accepted by them. As I said no group can accept all these alleged and conflicting accounts together, this should result in numerous sects, divisions and ideologies; even within the same sect, like the Sunni sect, they have 4 different Mazhabs (religious ways) based on Man Made books by 4 different humans, each Mazhab followers of those is rejoicing with their own Man Made crap while caring less about the others. Between the different sects though, the war between their followers is far more dangerous and hostile, like the war between the Sunni and Shia sects followers, they reached a level of hostility and hatred that they bomb and kill each other including women and children inside their mosques which are suppose to be places to only worship Allah. See these verses: (30) So set your face toward the religion, upright. The nature (made) by Allah upon which

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He has originated the people; there is no alteration of the creation of Allah. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. [Al Quran ; 30:30] ) )13 Turning to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and be not of the polytheists. [Al Quran ; 30:31] )23 ) Of those who have divided their religion and became sects; every party is, with what they have, rejoicing. [Al Quran ; 30:32] -> See: So set your face toward the religion, upright. Turning to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and be not of the polytheists. Of those who have divided their religion and became sects; every party is, with what they have, rejoicing. How compelling. A perfect description describing the confused and Mushrik Muslims who want to set their Nijis faces toward the Man Made crap books of conflicting and rubbish hadith in deviation from the straight path of Allah and in disobedience to the prophet command not to write anything he said except Quran. Lets move on. -------------------11- Other followers: Yaqoub Ibn Abdul Rahman said that his father said: I was present when Ubaidaalah Ibn Abdullah entered upon Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz who made some people to sit down and write what Ubaidaalah said. When Ubaidaalah wanted to leave, Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz told him: We have done something Ubaidaalah replied: And what was that, O Ibn Abdul Aziz? Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz replied: We have written what you said. Ubaidaalah replied: And where is that? And it was said that they brought to him what they wrote, and Ubaidaalah destroyed it. Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz is considered by almost Muslims to be the fifth guided ruler who ruled years and years after the prophets death; you can see that the same expression we read in Muawiah hadith (the one WB disputed) is used here describing a man in power (Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz) upon whom some people entered. As well we read the same thing that Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz commanded a few people to write what Ubaidaalah Ibn Abdullah said of hadith, exactly as Muawiah did when he heard the hadith from Zaid Ibn Thabit. The difference between the two allegations though is that Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz admitted to Ubaidaalah that

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they wrote what he said of hadith, so Ubaidaalah asked him to bring it in, then it was destroyed. It is 100% that the above incident happened years and years after the prophets death. Therefore WB and his Mushrik pals are lying to us when they told us that the prophet allowed writing his hadith later on in his life. . A guy named Muhammed said: I said to Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah: Can write what I hear from you? Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah replied: No The guy named Muhammed said: But I see myself looking at a written book? Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah replied: No . Al-Munzir Ibn Nafee said: I heard Idris Ibn Abi Idris saying: My father told me, do you write anything of what you hear from me? Idris replied: Yes Al-Munzir Ibn Nafee said: Bring it to me Idris said: So I brought it t him, and he destroyed it. . Al-Alaa Ibn Zubur said that Al-Qasim Ibn Muhammed said that indeed he despised writing hadith. . A guy named Ibrahim said: I was with Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah and was writing (his hadith), so Ubaidah said to me: Do not make a written book from me eternal. But we all know that al Mushrikoon from among the Muslims made the Man Made rubbish books of Bukhari and Muslim eternals. . Suffian said: It was said to Amr that Suffian was writing, so Amr sat down and cried the said: Bring to me those who wrote from me. Then Suffian denied that he was writing and confirmed that they were only memorising (hadith). . . Hammad said: Humaidan Bakr Ibn Abdullah asked Abi Al-Aaliah to write for him a

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hadith. Abu Al-Aaliah came to him, so Humaidan greeted him Then Abu Al-Aaliah said to him: If I was writing hadith, I would have written it for you. Then he kept narrating to him until Humaidan memorised it. This clearly means that Abu Al-Aaliah never write hadith from anyone in a book. Al-Dahhak said: Do not make for the hadith written books like the written books of the scriptures. Hasan said that Layth despised the written books (of hadith). . A guy named Ibrahim said that they were despising to write (hadith). . A guy named Ibrahim said: Indeed he despised writing hadith in books. . Ishaq Ibn Ismael Al-Talqani said: I told Jarir Ibn Abuld Hamid, did Mansour despise writing hadith? Jarir replied: Yes, Mansour and Mughairah and Al-Aamash were all despising writing hadith. Ibn Awin said that a guy named Muhammed used to despise writing (hadith). Ibn Awin said: Abu Bakr did not write (hadith) nor Omar Ibn Al-Khattab wrote (hadith). Can you see that Abu Bakr and Omar never wrote hadith And that was how all those early Muslims, of whom some were living during the time of Muhammed, and others who were born years after the prophet died, obeyed the prophet in not writing anything he said except Quran. ------------------------12- Explaining the reason of despising the writing of hadith: The fear that the people will only study these books and leave the Quran behind. The reason given by them above should be permanent (logically speaking), because if they

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worried that the early Muslims will indulge themselves in studying these Man Made books instead of Quran, then it has to be valid for the late Muslims too, it is not like fuk the late Muslims and let them indulge in studying these Man Made books of rubbish hadith and ignore the Quran. But as we should know by now, it is all part of Iblis plan to make most Muslims mushrikoon, and it certainly worked, most of the late Muslims starting from about 150 years after the prophet died till now do nothing but indulge their Mushrik arses in studying and promoting these Man Made rubbish of books while ignoring the Quran. Well, I have bad news for those Mushrikoon, the prophet will testify against them that they indeed ignored the Quran, see: ) )03 And the messenger will say: My Lord! Indeed, my people have taken this Quran as an abandoned. [Al Quran ; 25:30] Wake up Mushrikoon and only follow what Allah sent down to you, following what you inherited from your sinful parents and grand parents will take you no where but closer to a pit in hell; see these verses: )071 ) And when it is said to them: Follow what Allah has sent down, they say: Rather, we should follow that to which we are accustomed by our fathers. Even though their fathers do not understand a thing nor do they follow the guidance. [Al Quran ; 2:170] )12 ) And when it is said to them: Follow what Allah has sent down, they say: Rather, we should follow that upon which we found our fathers. Even though the devil is inviting them to the torture of the blaze. [Al Quran ; 31:21] -------------------13- Omar Ibn Al-Khattab: . Arwah Ibn Al-Zobair said that his father Arwah said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab once wanted to write the sunnah, so he took the advice of most of the companions of the messenger of Allah. They advised him that he should do it. So Omar stayed for a month seeking the guidance of Allah to do it or not as he was doubting it. One day he waked up and it seems that Allah guided him to what to do, so Omar Ibn Al-Khattab said: Indeed, I mentioned to you that I desired to write the sunnah of what you have already known, then I remembered the people of the book before you who wrote a book next to the book of Allah and got confused therein and left the book of Allah. And indeed, by

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Allah, I will not confuse the book of Allah with anything, ever. So Omar rejected writing the sunnah in books. Now, what Omar said means FOREVER not during his time only, see how he said it: , i.e. And indeed, by Allah, I will not confuse the book of Allah with anything, ever. So tell me mister Mushrik WB, how come Khalifah Omar Ibn Al-Khattab refused to write the Sunnah (he even referred to it with this name instead of hadith) while you along with your associates lied to us and told us that the prophet allowed writing Sunnah/Hadith later on in his life and before his death? Well, the answer is simple, the prophet never allowed his people to write anything he said but Quran, he even deleted what they wrote and told them he is only a human, remember this from your Man Made book that we discussed earlier: . Abi Hurairah said: The messenger of Allah was informed that some people wrote his hadith, so he climbed into the stand then praised and thanked Allah and said: What are these books that you have written? Indeed, I am only a human, whoever has of these books should bring it in. So we collected it and destroyed it. Lets move on and see what else Omar did: . . Khalid Ibn Arfattah said: I was sitting with Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, when he brought in a guy from Abdulqais whose house was in the village of Soos, and then Omar said to him: Are you that guy from Abdulqais? The guy said: Yes Omar said to him: And you live in Soos? The guy said: Yes So Omar hit him with a stick. The guy said: What I have done wrong O Amir Al-

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Mumineen (Khalifah)? Omar said to him: Sit down. Then Omar read the following Quran verses three times: ) )1 Alif Lam Ra. These are the signs of the manifest book. [Al Quran ; 12:1] )2 ) Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran that perhaps you will understand. [Al Quran ; 12:2] )3 ) We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware. [Al Quran ; 12:3] Then Omar hit the guy three times. The guy said to Omar: What I have done wrong O Amir Al-Mumineen (Khalifah)? Omar said to the guy Arent you the one who translated the book of Daniel (to Arabic). The guy replied: Command me and I will certainly do what you want. Omar said to the guy: Go and destroy it and never read it to the people or get it near them; and if I get informed that you read it or made anyone to read it, I will humiliate you with punishment. Then Omar asked the guy to sit down, and told him: One day I got a book translated from the books of the people of the book, then went to the messenger of Allah, the messenger of Allah asked me about it, so I told him it is a translated book from the books of the people of the book. The prophet got very angry until his cheeks turned red. The messenger then stood on the stand and said the following: O people! I was given the complete collection of the words and their ending, it was been briefed to me in excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you. While the matter above was about writing/translating the books of the people of the book, we cannot overlook what the prophet said to the people about the Quran in the above allegation: The messenger of Allah said: O people! I was given the complete collection of the words and their ending, it was been briefed to me in excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you. How beautiful these descriptions about the Quran: I was given the complete collection of the words and their endings, it was been briefed to me with excellent briefing, and I came to you with it while it is white and pure. So do not be reckless and never allow reckless ones to come near you.

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In no way these Man Made evil books of crap hadith are: 1- Complete collection of the words and their endings. 2- Briefed with excellent briefing. 3- White. 4- Pure. The Man Made rubbish books of crap hadith are not but: 1- Complete collection of confusion and non sense. 2- Unrealistically lengthy and horrible to read and understand by average people. 3- Black. 4- Impure. See WB, it has to be as iffo told you, it is either you declare these books as false or you choose hell to be your destination. Lets read a great story about Omar Ibn Al-Khattab when he wanted to filter out all al Mushrikoon: Al-Qasim Ibn Muhammed said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab was informed that some books started to surface between the people, so he denied and despised them then said: O people! I was informed that some books appeared between your hands, and the most loved of them to Allah would be the most just and fair, so no one leaves a book with him except he should bring to me so I see what is in there and give my opinion. (Omar was only tricking them) The people thought wrong that Omar wanted to look at the books and authenticate them in order to remove disagreement between these books. The people brought to Omar all their books and he just burnt them all, and then said: You just had the desire (tendency) like the desire of the people of the book. How awesome by that man, I have to admit Omar is the most one I admire from the companions of the prophet, I am sort like him slightly, I do not mock around with al mushrikoon, I confront them in an aggressive way to filter them out and destroy them in the most aggressive way possible. What I like about the above great story is how Omar quickly planned to trick the people in thinking that their Man Made books of rubbish hadith will be considered, but only after he checks them personally and give his opinion, then announcing who had the best book; consequently the owner of the winning book will be the most loved by Allah, see how he said it to them:

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i.e. I was informed that some books appeared between your hands, and the most loved of them to Allah would be the most just and fair, so no one leaves a book with him except he should bring to me so I see what is in there and give my opinion. The people were fooled of course, was easy upon the very smart Omar especially that most of those wannabe Mushrikoon are already proved their dumbness and stupidity with their clear tendency to shirk. This allowed Omar to make sure that every single Man Made book will be brought in (to win the huge prize of the love of Allah), which meant that Omar made sure that every single Man Made book of theirs is brought it to be destroyed REGARDLESS of any good stories therein. . Yahya Ibn Jaadah said: Omar Ibn Al-Khattab desired to write the sunnah, then it became apparent to him that he should not, then he wrote on public notes to inform anyone who has written sunnah that it should be deleted. Omar even posted public notices to make sure all Man Made books of sunnah were destroyed. All the above stories about Omar happened when Omar was Khalifah, i.e. years after the prophets death; a grandmother of all slams exposing the clear cut lies and confusion of al mushrikoon. -------------14- Abdullah Ibn Masoud: . Murrah said: While we were with Abdullah Ibn Masoud, a guy named Ibn Qurrah came with a book and said: I found this book in Palestine and I admired it so I brought to you. So Abdullah Ibn Masoud looked at it and said: The people of the book were destroyed before you because they followed (other) books and left their book (of Allah). Then Abdullah Ibn Masoud asked to bring bucket of water, then he immersed it in it and washed it.

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. Abdul Rahman Ibn Al-Aswad said that his father said: Alqamaah came with a book from Mecca or Yamen, a book with hadith in it about Ahl Al-Bayt, the house of the prophet, so we sought the permission to enter upon Abdullah Ibn Masoud and gave him that book. Abdullah Ibn Masoud called his servant to bring a bucket of water. So we said to him: O father of Abdul Rahman, look at it, it has good hadith. Abdullah Ibn Masoud replied to them with a Quran verse: )3 ) We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware. [Al Quran ; 12:3] Then he said to them: The hearts are containers, make it busy with Quran, and never make it busy with anything else. How compelling, man, he hit it on the nail: We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran. Not the rubbish stories found in these Man Made books of crap hadith. And even if the Mushrikoon consider it good books and good stories, the book of Allah is best and its stories are best as we have been told by Allah Himself. Consequently, there is no obligation for any sincere Muslim to follow or uphold the second best, the first best is enough for all Muslims, remember this verse: )81 ) Those who hear the saying then follow the best of it; it is them whom Allah has guided, and it is them who possess minds. [Al Quran ; 39:18] -> Therefore, al Mushrikoon cannot be from among those who possess minds. Because they are not following the first best; in their own very eyes, they are following the second best along with the first best. While 39:18 tells us clearly that those who possess minds are those who follow the first best ONLY. There is no obligation for Muslims like me to follow the second best as instructed by 39:18, while the fact from my perspective that these Man Made rubbish books of hadith cannot be the second best, it can only be evil and the worst Man Made books which misguided, confused and divided most of the Muslims. Now, if the hadith have been proven to contain massive errors and contradictions according to the Mushrikoon themselves, which made them invent the satanic abrogation concept to cover their hadith shame in defiance and arrogance. Then a Muslim like me who will never be arrogant towards the words of my Lord has every right to shove these books in the nearest toilet and flush them away, I have the Quran, the words of the Most Truthful, see this verse: )87( Allah, there is no God except Him, He will surely gather you for the day of resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in Hadith (speech)? [Al Quran ; 4:87]

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-> Indeed, O Mushrikoon: Who is more truthful than Allah in Hadith (speech)? . . . Abdul Rahman Ibn Al-Aswad said that his father said: A man from the people of Palestine came to Abdullah Ibn Masoud with a book in which there is some written hadith from the hadith of your brother Abi Al-Dardaa and some of his hadith stories. Abdullah Ibn Masoud took the book, read and looked until he arrived to his house, then he called for his servant to bring a bucket of water, he continued to Erased it with water and say the following Quran verses: ) )1 Alif Lam Ra. These are the signs of the manifest book. [Al Quran ; 12:1] ) )2 Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran that perhaps you will understand. [Al Quran ; 12:2] )3 ) We relate to you the best of the stories in what We have revealed to you of this Quran; and indeed, you were before it among the unaware. [Al Quran ; 12:3] Then he said to them: Do you desire better stories than the stories of Allah? Or he might have said: Do you want better hadith than the hadith of Allah? Indeed, they desire Man Made contradicting hadith and stories more than desiring the truthful hadith and stories of Allah in His Quran. Continue below.. Click to see the latest list of the Life Dismissals of FFI

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Re: Are these hadiths true WittyBoy? by AhmedBahgat Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:48 am Read above first ^^^^^ . . . . Ashaath said that his father said: I used to sit with some people in the mosque, one day I came to them and found with them a book in which there is praise and thanks to Allah, I admired it very much and said to its owner, give it to me so I can make a copy. He said: I promised another man to take it for while to make a copy, but when he finishes, you can borrow it; then I made my copy. One day I entered the mosque and heard a boy calling us to answer Abdullah Ibn Masoud in his house. The people went there, and I went with them; we found the same book in his hand, so Abdullah Ibn Masoud said: Unquestionably, what are in this book are fitnah (trial), misguidance and inventions; and indeed, the people of the book were destroyed before you because they followed (similar) books and left the book of Allah. Therefore I ask everyone to inform me where I can find all these copies, as by Allah, if it comes to my knowledge that a copy of this is found in India, I would go to it (to destroy it), even on foot. Then Abdullah Ibn Masoud asked for water and washed that book. See how committed was Ibn Masoud in making sure that all these copies of Man Made rubbish hadith were destroyed, his commitment and seriousness were evident when he said: if it comes to my knowledge that a copy of this is found in India, I would go to it (to destroy it), even on foot. . Abrahim Al-Taimi said: It came to the knowledge of Abdullah Ibn Masoud that there are (hadith) books with some people. So he called them and they came to him, so he deleted it and said:

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The people of the book were destroyed before you because they indulged themselves in studying the books of their Ulaama and their Priests but left the book of their Lord. Some said that Ibn Masoud said: And they left the Torah and Injil until the laws and sharia therein were forgotten. ---------------15- Others who prohibited writing the hadith: . Abi Bardah said: Abi Musa said that the sons of Israel wrote a book and followed it and left the Torah. . Hammad Ibn Zaid said: Ibn Awin said to me that he sees these books as misguidance to the people. What Hammad said above is exactly what happened to the Muslims spanning 1200 years and were still counting. Ibn Awin said: I believe (or I see) that there will be a bad consequence to these books. What Ibn Awin said above is the exact bad consequence we see happening to most Muslims around the world, division, confusion and ignorance. These Man Made books did not even clear their ignorance, rather increasing it. And if it continues this way, it has to reach a point where it is impossible to make amends, at that point I only see the wrath of Allah descending upon most Muslims on earth. I actually believe that most Muslims have reached this point already. Ismael said: They despised writing the (hadith) book because those before you took the books and admired them. So those who despised writing hadith, despised that it will cause them to be diverted away from Quran. -----------------16- The opinion of the author of this book (Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi): . . It is proven that despising to write (the hadith) by the very early people was only for the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, exalted is He; or the fear that the people will get busy with anything but the Quran. And this prohibition was

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covering: 1-The old scriptures because we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the Quran is sufficient and is overruling them. 2- Hadith books during the early time of Islam because there was only a few Fuqaahaa (experts in understanding religion during that time) who can differentiate between revelation from Allah and whatever else. This is because most of the Bedouins were not expert in the religion yet, nor have they accompanied the knowledgeable Ulaama, So they thought that they might mix what they find written in books with the Quran, then wrongly think that these Man Made books are revelation from Allah. Ahmed says: The above crap is nothing but non sense; was that all what the confused author of this book had to say to all these evidences he himself presented? How funny; well, I am going to reply to this Mushrik the way I reply to any filthy Mushrik, so let me get the ball rolling: Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:It is proven that despising to write (the hadith) by the very early people was only for the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, exalted is He.

Well, sounds like a very confused author you are, it was not only about despising to write hadith, it was about the following, mister confused: 1- A command from the prophet not to write anything he said except Quran. 2- A command from the prophet to delete anything they wrote except Quran 3- Almost all early and later sahaba despised to write hadith 4- Almost all early and later sahaba deleted any written hadith And did you not know that no book ever will be able to compete with Quran. This is what Allah said, not me: )32 ) And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to Our servant, then bring forth a sura like it and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. [Al Quran ; 2:23] But mister confused author is telling us that back then, someone might have thought that there is a 3 verses sura like the Quran from their Man Made rubbish of crap hadith, despite the fact that the language of the Quran stunned all of them back then, i.e. it is easy to know what is Quran and what is Man Made. Now, I have a surprise for mister confused author, it never happened, nor will it ever happen; again this is what Allah said, not me: )42 ) And if you do not do, and you will never be able to do, then fear the fire whose fuel is the people and the stones; prepared for the unbelievers. [Al Quran ; 2:24]

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-> See: And if you do not do, and you will never be able to do, i.e. it never happened, nor will it ever happen. Now, if I go back to the authors stupid apology, in which he said: the fear that these books will compete against the book of Allah, I have to ask his pinhead: Wouldnt that fear also apply to the later Muslims? Or the early Muslims just did not give a damn about them so it was fine with the early Muslims that the later Muslims have all these masses of Man Made rubbish books of hadith which clearly compete with Quran and sometimes overwrite it? How dumb and reckless by the early Muslims. Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:Or the fear that the people will get busy with anything but Quran.

Well, it is like you know that the early Muslims would not give a rat arse when the Quran commands them to ponder upon it and be busy with it: ) )92 A book which We have sent down to you, blessed so that they might ponder over its signs and that those who possess minds remember. [Al Quran ; 38:29] ) )402 And when the Quran is read, then listen to it and pay attention that you may be granted mercy. [Al Quran ; 7:204] Now, let me shock you in your grave, mister confused author, what you have done, did not work, this is because most Muslims since the time of Bukhari till this very moment are busy with your Man Made rubbish books of crap while not giving a rat arse about being busy with Quran. Well, this is not what I said: ) )03 And the messenger will say: My Lord! Indeed, my people have taken this Quran as an abandoned. [Al Quran ; 25:30] See, it did not work and will never work. So what have gone wrong mister confused author? I tell you what have gone wrong; you helped most Muslims to be Mushrikoon, yep; and again this is not what I said: ) )301 And most of the people, although you strive (for it), are not believers. [Al Quran ; 12:103] And even when they believe, they do it while shirking with Allah other things:

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) )601 And most of them do not believe in Allah except while they are polytheists. [Al Quran ; 12:106] Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:And this prohibition was about:

Was about the Man Made rubbish books of hadith. Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:1-The old scriptures because we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the [colour=red]Quran is sufficient[/color] and is overruling them.

Oh really? But the same bloody thing happens with your Man Made rubbish books of Hadith Springer stories: we cannot know its truthfulness from its falsehood, despite that the Quran is sufficient and is overruling them. I know that al Mushrikoon disagree (despite they say they agree) concerning the italic red part, because for them, while they agree that the Quran totally overrules the old scriptures (Torah and Injil), their Man Made rubbish books of crap are still needed and sometimes overrule the Quran. The fact that the Quran is sufficient which they claim but not follow (they need hadith books with it), is what your Man Made book of sunan al-Darmi said, see: Source

Yahya Ibn Gaadah said: The prophet came one day with a book and said: It is enough misguidance for the people who desire something else to that with which their prophet has come to them. Or he said: A book other than their book. So Allah revealed verse 29:51, )15 ) And is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon you the book which is recited to them? Indeed, in that is a mercy and a reminder for a people who believe.

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[Al Quran ; 29:51] -> See how 29:51 raises a very strong argument against those who desire other books from which they seek guidance instead of the book of Allah: And is it not sufficient for them that We have sent down upon you the book which is recited to them? See what Allah told us next about sending the Quran to us: Indeed, in that is a mercy and a reminder for a people who believe. Indeed the Quran is a reminder for a people who believe. It can never be a reminder for a people who believe with shirk. See again: And most of them do not believe in Allah except while they are polytheists.[12:106] Al-Khateeb Al-Bughdadi wrote:2- Hadith books during the early time of Islam because there was only a few Fuqahaa (experts in understanding religion) during that time who can differentiate between revelation from Allah and whatever else. This is because most of the Bedouins were not expert in the religion yet, nor did they accompanied the knowledgeable Ulaama, So they thought that they might mix what they find written in books with the Quran, then wrongly think that these Man Made books are revelation from Allah. Come on mister Mushrik author, give me a break from your stupidity; didnt all the hadith worshippers claim that the hadith/sunnah is a revelation from Allah? So tell me again, how you differentiate between: The revelation of Allah (Quran) which should equal the revelation of Allah (sunnah)? This author sounds as shifty as his master Bukhari who lied to us and told us that the sunnah is also called the book of Allah. So tell me again, how you differentiate between: The book of Allah (Quran) which should equal the book of Allah (sunnah)? How manipulative and deceitful those bunch of Mushrikoon are. ---------------------17- A Quran verse to prove that writing hadith is allowed: What you are about to read is nothing but a clear cut big lie by al Mushrikoon who shamelessly and continuously fabricate lies about Allah, it seems to me that it became apparent to them that all their apologies from their Man Made rubbish books of hadith to justify their crime of shirking Quran with these Man Made rubbish hadith books will be nothing but dust in thin air for any sane human, so they wanted a Quran verse to wrap their big lie with it, as if it is divine. Well I am not going to translate the following rubbish, manipulations and lies to you, it is a waste of my time, but what I am going to do is show you the verse they used to cook their lie about Allah, then you should be the judge and I am sure that all should know how deceitful and manipulators those bunch of Mushrik Muslims are:

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. . . . . . . . This is a short extract from the above Arabic text: When the messenger of Allah described it as Restricting Knowledge it is a clear evidence that is should not be restricted for those who fear not to be able to memorise it. And Allah (all praise to Him) admonishes His servants with the like of that when writing debit contracts, so Allah (exalted is He) said: . O you who have believed! When you owe others a debit for a specified time, then write it down. .. [Al Quran ; 2:282] Ahmed says: You stupid bunch of con-artists lying freaks of Mushrikoon bound to hell, verse 2:282 (the longest verse in Quran) is about writing loans/debits contract between involved parties, in fact even writing it is not enough, we still need some witnesses to sign the debit contract, see: . And bring to testify two witnesses from among your men; but if they are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you approved to be witnesses, .. [Al Quran ; 2:282] Therefore, the above has nothing to do with the crime of al Mushrikoon of writing their Man Made rubbish books of hadith. And as you have clearly seen that Omar Ibn Al-Khattab and many others refused to write the sunnah in books years after the prophets death. Were they disobedient to Allah and His messenger? Or, were they rejecting the teachings of Allah? Or, were they not fearing Allah? and let no writer be harmed or any witness; but if you do then it is disobedience by you. And fear Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is of everything Knowing. [Al Quran ; 2:282]

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Well, you can not make borrowing money from others which need to be documented and witnessed like writing your Man Made rubbish books of hadith. What deceitful bunch of lying freaks are you.