Hello Ben, I just received an e-mail from a Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin ryu student of a Mr David Maynard sensei who

also trained in Wado ryu Renmei. It was very interesting. In contrast to what you are saying, he indicates that only a fraction of the techniques listed in Mr Ohgami's site are taught by Jiro Otsuka. He also stated that Mr Maynard's jujutsu waza far exceeded those of Jiro Ohtsuka in sophistication. This supports the experience I had with Mr Threadgill. Apparantly Mr Maynard is very highly ranked in Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin ryu. Interestingly, there are considerable differences between the number of techniques registered by Hironori Otsuka in 1934 with the Butotukai and those practiced by Wado Kai, Wado ryu Renmei and WIKF today. Apparantly all of those listed by Otsuka are still taught in Shindo Yoshin ryu except the Tachi Dori which are not from Shindo Yoshin ryu at all. Shindo Yoshin ryu Idorigata - Ohtsuka registered 6 WadoKai practices 7, Wado Academy practises 10, WIKF - 6 and Shindo Yoshin ryu -35

Shindo Yoshin ryu Tehodoki, Nagekaeshi and Shodan Tachiai Udeotoshi, Seotoshi, Eriotoshi, Sodeotoshi, Ashiguruma, Koshiguruma, Kataguruma, Hikiotoshi, Karisute, Kinukuguri, Deashigari, Osotogari, Kosotogari, Ouchigari, Kouchigari, Seoinage, Ushirogoshi, Taiotoshi, Haraigoshi, Uchimata, Yokootoshi, Sumikaeshi, Oguruma, Yokogake. Of the proceeding waza only a few are taught by WadoKai and Wado ryu Renmei. Some of those praqcticed by WIKF are apparantly invented or compiled by Suzuki sensei as they are not from Shindo Yoshin ryu.

Shindo Yoshin ryu Tanto Dori Udegaramidori, Kotenagedori, Ungadori, Erinagedori, Zudori, Hikitatedori, Hikiotoshidori WadoKai and Wado ryu Renmei apparantly practice between 7 and 10 Tantodori, some of which are from Shindo Yoshin ryu, but not all.

Kassatsu Jizaigata 5 (Saving and killing techniques adapted from Shindo Yoshin ryu Nagekaeshi) Suikatsu, Rakukatsu, Oukatsu, Yukatsu, Enkatsu, Toukatsu, Dakatsu As far as I know none of these are taught in Wado ryu.

Shindo Yoshin ryu Rataidori 3 (Naked techniques) Maedori, Yokodori, Ushirodori, As far as I know none of these are taught in Wado ryu.

Keisatsu Taihojutsu 14 - (Police Arresting Techniques adapted from Shindo Yoshin ryu Chuden Tachiai) Tehodoki 2, Kansetsuwaza 3, Nagewaza 5, Osaewaza 4, None of these are practiced Wado Kai. A limited number are practised by Wado ryu Remnei and WIKF.

Joshi Goshinjutsu 14 ( Womens Self defense techniques adapted from Shindo Yoshin ryu ) Maedori 6, Yokodori 2, Ushirodori 3, Osaedori 4 None of these are practiced in Wado Kai. A limited number are practised by Wado ryu Remnei and WIKF. According to Mr Maynard, Takamura ha Shindo Yoshin ryu containes over 325 kata, some of which were abandoned by the Nakayama line in the early 20th century. Also according to Mr Maynard, the Nakayama Tatsusaburo line was an unauthorized line and not supported by the transmission of an authentic menkyo kaiden. I've never heard of this before and Im not sure what this means for Ohtsuka. I sent an e-mail to Mr Threadgill and Mr Ohgami asking for clarification on this assertion. If they respond I will post it here.