Special Court For Sierra Leone Afrc 06oct06 Trial

CaseNo.
SCSL200416T
THEPROSECUTOROF
THESPECIALCOURT
V.
ALEXTAMBABRIMA
BRIMABAZZYKAMARA
SANTIGIEBORBORKANU
FRIDAY,06OCTOBER2006
9.20A.M.
TRIAL
TRIALCHAMBERII
BeforetheJudges:RichardLussick,Presiding
TeresaDoherty
JuliaSebutinde
ForChambers:MrSimonMeisenberg
FortheRegistry:MsMaureenEdmonds
MsAdveraKamuzora
FortheProsecution:MrCharlesHardaway
MrVincentWagona
MrMichaelBrazao
FortheaccusedAlexTambaMrIbrahimFodayMansaray(legalassistant)
Brima:
FortheaccusedBrimaBazzyMrAndrewWilliamKodwoDaniels
Kamara:
FortheaccusedSantigieBorborMrAjibolaEManlySpain
Kanu:MrSilasCherkera
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06OCTOBER2006OPENSESSION
1[AFRC06OCT06ARK]
2Friday,6October2006
3[TheaccusedKamaraandKanupresent]
4[TheaccusedBrimanotpresent]
5[Thewitnessenteredcourt]
6[Opensession]
7[Uponcommencingat9.20a.m.]
8PRESIDINGJUDGE:Goodmorning.Itisgeneralknowledge
9thattherehasbeenamajortrafficholduptoday,andveryfew
10peoplehavebeenabletogetinontime.Iseethatboththe
11ProsecutionandDefencebenchesaredepleteofcounsel.Forthe
12record,wenotethatMrKamaraandMrKanuarepresentincourt.
13WehavealreadyreceivedacommunicationfromMrBrima,thathe
14willwaivehisrighttobepresenttoday.Ithink,inthe
15circumstances,wewillneedtoadjournthiscourtatthisstage.
16Wewilladjournforhalfanhour.WelcomebacktoCourtat9.45;
17thatis,15minutesto10.00.Wewilladjournnow,thankyou.
18[Breaktakenat9.21a.m.]
19[ProceedingsfromAudio]
20[Uponresumingat9.58a.m.]
21PRESIDINGJUDGE:Well,fortherecordedversion,Iwill
22notethatthetimebytheCourtclockis9.58.Thereasonfor
23thelatestartofthisCourtisthattherewasaserioustraffic
24holdupinroadsleadingtotheCourt.Infact,two
25stenographers,oneofwhichwasoneofwhomwastobeassigned
26tothisCourtisstillcaughtintraffic,whichmeansthatuntil
27furthernotice,we'regoingtohaveaudioandvideorecordings,
28butnodirecttranscript.Thetranscriptwillbepreparedlater
29fromtheaudiorecords.
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1Theothermatteristhatthefirstaccused,MrBrima,has
2communicated,viawrittenmessagetothisCourt,thathe
3expresslywaiveshisrighttobepresenttoday.Inotethat
4MrBrima'scounselispresentinCourt.PursuanttoRule60,the
5proceedingswillbecontinuedinhisabsence.
6Yes,MrDaniels.
7MRDANIELS:Morning,YourHonours.
8WITNESS:DBK012[Continued]
9[Thewitnessansweredthroughinterpreter]
10EXAMINEDBYMRDANIELS:
11Q.Morning,MrWitness.
12A.Goodmorning,sir.
13Q.MrWitness,ifyoucanrecall,yesterdayyouweretelling
14usaboutwhentheFiveStarGeneral,SAJMusaarrivedatColonel
15EddieTown.Doyouremember?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.YoualsotoldusaboutamusterparadeinwhichFAThanded
18powertoSAJMusa;doyouremember?
19A.Yes,sir.
20Q.Now,MrWitness,howmanysoldierswerepresentatthis
21musterparade?
22A.Well,wehadmorethan500soldiersatthemusterparade,
23thebrigademusterparade.
24Q.DoyourecalltheexactdatethatSAJMusaarrivedat
25ColonelEddieTown?
26A.Yes,sir.
27Q.Whenwasit?
28A.The21stofNovember1998.Thatwasthedatehearrivedin
29ColonelEddieTownastheFiveStarGeneral.
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1Q.Didhesayanything?
2A.Yes,sir.Hesaidsomething,sir.Hehandedoverthe
3musterparadetotheFiveStarGeneralastheoverallcommander
4ofthegroup,theSLAgroup.
5Q.Didhesayanythingelse?
6A.Well,heexplainedtotheFiveStarGeneralabouttheAFRC
7menwhohadwantedtoescape,andwantedtogooutofthe
8country,andthattroopsweresentforthemtobecaptured.That
9heexplainedtotheFiveStarGeneralSAJMusa.Andafterthat,
10heexplainedtotheFiveStarGeneralaboutJuniorLion,the
11heexecutedbrutallyoneSLAsoldier,hefiredatwithapistol.
12Afterthat,theFiveStarGeneralFAThandedovertheparade
13totheFiveStarGeneral,themusterparadeandtheFiveStar
14Generaladdressedthemusterparadeandsaid,"NowweareSLAs
15andnowwearefightingtoreinstatethenationalarmy."And
16saidfromnowonwards,hewasgoingtostructurethecommand
17structureforFreetown.
18Q.BeforewegoontothecommandstructureforFreetown
19A.Sir.
20Q.didtheFiveStarGeneralsayanythingaboutwhatwas
21reportedtohimaboutJuniorLion?
22A.Yes,sir.Hesaid,"Well,thismanshouldbepunished.He
23shouldbegivenatask;thatis,heshouldbeoneofthepeople
24atthefrontlineuntilweenterFreetown."
25Q.DidSAJMusasayanythingaboutthearrestedAFRCsoldiers?
26A.Yes,sir.HetoldthemthathetoldalltheSLA
27soldiersthatfromnow,thistimeitisnomoreAFRC.Now,since
28theywereunderdetention,theyshouldcontinuetobeunder
29detentionandhedisarmedthem,includingtheirsecurities,and
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1theywereunderclosesurveillancewhilecomingtothecity.He
2said,"NowthisistheSLAtime,becausetheSLPPgovernmenthad
3disbandedtheSLA.Now,wearetryingtoreinstatethenational
4armyasSLA."SoheorderedJuniorLiontocontrolthemen.
5Q.Whichmen?
6A.TheAFRCmenthatwerethatwereinthedungeon,inthe
7box.
8Q.AndwhenSAJMusabecametheoverallcommander,whoor
9didanyonebecomehissecondincommand?
10A.Yes,sir.
11Q.Whowasthat?
12A.FATwasthesecondincommandtotheFiveStarGeneral,SAJ
13Musa.
14Q.Wasthereathirdincommand?
15A.Yes,sir,CaptainEddie,adjutant,hewasthethirdin
16command.
17Q.MrWitness,youtoldusthatSAJMusaarrivedatColonel
18EddieTownwithsomecivilians.Who,ifatall,wasinchargeof
19theciviliansthatwereinColonelEddieTown?
20A.WhenSAJMusacame,hecamewithciviliansthatwere
21willingtojoinusonourmovement,sohegatheredthemata
22particularplaceandhandedthemovertotheG5commandertotake
23careofthem,theythecivilians.
24Q.WhowastheG5commander?
25A.TheG5commanderwasSixFinger.
26Q.Didhehaveanothername?
27A.Yes,sir,AyoCole.
28Q.MrWitness,youwerealsotellingusaboutSAJMusasetting
29up
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1JUDGESEBUTINDE:MrDaniels,isthatCOALorCOLE?
2MRDANIELS:COAL,I'massisted.
3Q.Canyourepeatthenameagain?
4A.AyoCole,AyoCole.
5MRDANIELS:Iambeingassistedbymylearnedfriend,
6AYO,firstword,andCOLE,secondword,AyoCole.
7Q.MrWitness,yourecalltellingusthatacommandstructure
8wasthensetupbySAJMusa.Canyoutellusaboutthiscommand
9structurethatwassetupinColonelEddieTown?
10A.Yes,sir.
11Q.Pleasegoahead.
12A.Well,thefirstincommand,whenFiveStarGeneralformed
13hiscommandstructurefortheadvancetothecity,hewasthe
14overallcommander,theFiveStarGeneral,SAJMusa;thesecondin
15command,FATSesay;thirdincommand,CaptainEddie,adjutant;
16fourthincommand,CaptainKing,militarypolice;fifthin
17command,JuniorLion,groundcommandant.FromthereSAJMusa
18changedJuniorLionfromgroundcommandanttotaskforce
19commander.FromtherethecompanyA,hehadTito,Salifu
20Mansaray,aliasTito.TheBCompanyyouhaveyouhadFoday
21BahMarah,aliasBulldoze.TheCCompanyyouhadJuniorSheriff.
22DCompany,theyhadmyself,MrWitness.Sothiswasthecommand
23structureputinplacebySAJMusa,theFiveStarGeneral,in
24orderforustoadvanceintothecity.Thenyouhadthetask
25force,OFivewastheoperationcommander.Afterthat,youhad
26Terminator.HewasanRDF,rapiddeploymentforce;hewasthe
27commander.ThatwasthecommandstructureformedbySAJMusa,
28FiveStarGeneral,fortheadvanceintothecity.
29Q.HowlongdidthetroopsstayatColonelEddieTown?
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1A.Well,thetroop,asSAJMusa,FiveStarGeneral,arrived
2in
3THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,couldthewitnessgoa
4littlebitslowerfortheinterpreter.
5MRDANIELS:
6Q.Yourememberyouwereaskedtogoabitslowlyyesterday.
7Iwillremindyoutogoslowly,asyourwordsarebeing
8interpreted.Pleaserepeatwhatyoulastsaid.
9A.Well,thecommandstructurethatwasdonebySAJMusa,SAJ
10MusaarrivedinColonelEddieTownon21stofNovember,1998.He
11spentfivedays.Onthesixthday,thetroopsstarteddeparting
12inordertocrossover.Thefirsttroopthatleft,itwasJunior
13Lion'sgroupwhowasthetaskforcecommander.Becauseat
14certainatcertaintimesithewasputattheforefrontas
15apunishment.ThesecondwasTerminator'sgroup,thatwasthe
16rapiddeploymentforce.Andtheoperationalcommanderwaswith
17them,OFive.
18Q.Didallthegroupsleavetogether?
19A.Well,becauseweweremany,wedidnotdeparttogetherat
20thesametime.
21Q.Whatwasthefirstgrouptoleave?
22A.Well
23MRHARDAWAY:Objection,YourHonour,Ibelievehehad
24alreadystateditwasJuniorLion'sgroup.
25PRESIDINGJUDGE:Yes,hehasbeenthroughthat.
26MRDANIELS:
27Q.Verywell,whendidthefirstgroupleave?
28A.Well,afterthefivedays,thesixthday,thefirsttroop
29left.Thefirsttroopthesixthdaythefirsttroopleftand
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1crossedtheLittleScarciesandtheGreatScarcies.
2Q.Wheredidtheygoto?
3A.Well,theycrossedandcametowardsKambiaDistrictover
4theLittleScarcies.TheycameovertotheKambiaDistrict,
5proceededtowardsMange.
6Q.Whendidthesecondgroupleave?
7A.Thesecondgroupleft,itwasjustanhour,ortwohours
8between,becausetheyusedaboattocrossthemover,yousee.
9Thesecondgroupleftaftertwoorthreehours,inordertocatch
10upwiththeadvancetroop.
11Q.Andthethirdgroup?
12A.Well,thenumberthreegroupcrossedatnightbetween9.00
13and10.00theycrossed,becausetheyweremany.Thethirdgroup,
14itwastherearteam.Itwasthatgroupofindividualsthat
15startedtocrossbetween9.00and10.00atnight.
16Q.Atthistime,MrWitness,wherewerethearrestedAFRC
17members?
18A.Well,theAFRCmemberswereattherear,betweenthe
19BCompanyandtheCCompany.Theywerewithsomeofthe
20securitiesthatwereguidingthem,sothattheywouldn'tbeable
21toescape.Theyweretheyhadcrossedatnight,becausethe
22advancegroupwasabout5to6milesapartfromthemandtheyhad
23crossedtheLittleScarcies.
24Q.Whataboutthelastgroup?
25A.Wellthelastgroup,I,thewitness,wentwiththelast
26group.Wecrossedafter11.00atnight.Thatwastheseventh
27daywhenSAJMusaarrivedintown,soatnightwe,membersof
28thelastgroup,crossedat11.00atnight.
29Q.DidyouallarriveatMange?
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1A.No,sir.AllofusdidnotarriveinMangeatthesame
2time,becausetherewereseriousproblemsonourway,becausethe
3ECOMOGforce,whichwaswellfortifiedwitharmsandammunition
4andairraids,sowedecidedtherearteamwereatrearandthe
5detaineeswerebetweentheCCompanyandtheDCompanies,sowe
6barricadedtherear.Theadvanceteam,rapiddeploymentforce,
7TerminatorandJuniorLion,theyweretheonesthatadvancedand
8attacked,includingtheiroperationalcommander,OFive.They
9werethepeoplethatattackedtheECOMOG.Theypushthemand
10movedthemoutofMangeTown.
11Q.InwhichgroupwasSAJMusa?
12A.FiveStarGeneral,SAJMusa,hewasinthemiddlegroup,
13theheadquarters,headquarters,HQ,headquarters.
14Q.DidyoueventuallyallarriveatMange?
15A.Well,yes,becausesincetheadvanceteamhadconqueredthe
16ECOMOG,wearrivedinMange.Wecrossedthebridge,becausethe
17fightingteampushedthemout,allofusarrivedthereand
18crossedtheretacticallyandskillfully.
19Q.Whichbridgedidyoucross?
20A.TheMangeBridge,theMangeBridgewasthebridgewe
21crossed,alongbridge.ThelongestbridgeinMangeandanother,
22theLittleScarciesBridgeandtheGreatScarcies.Itisthere
23theLittleScarciespassedthrough.Thatisthebridgeweused
24andcrossed.ThatistheMangeBridge.
25Q.AndforhowlongdidthetroopsstayatMange?
26A.Well,Mange,thegroupwasmovingseriously.Wedidnot
27wastetimethere.Wedidn'tsleepthere.WeattackedtheECOMOG
28andproceeded.Wedidn'tsleepthere.Wefoughtandadvanced.
29Q.Wheredidyouadvanceto?
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1A.Well,afterwehadcrossedthebridge,wecrossedthefirst
2andthesecondbridge,wereachedinatown.Weusedbypass
3roadsskillfullyandavoidedciviliantarget.Weusedbypass
4roadto2milestoPortLoko.WeappearedatMamusa.
5Q.WhenwasitthatyouappearedatMamusa?
6A.Well,Mamusa,afterwehadleftMangeBurehandwewere
7advancingtowardsthecity,soitwasthesamedaythatwe
8proceeded.AfterwehadleftMangeBureh,becauseweareSLAs,
9withinanhourwecanwalkupto15miles,soweusedbypassroad
10skillfullyandtriedtogetwetriedtolocateenemy
11positions,theECOMOG,sowearearmyofficers,soweweused
12thebypassroadandwesurfacedaMamusa.
13Q.Youskillfullyavoidedciviliantargets.Whatdoyoumean?
14MRHARDAWAY:Objection,Idon'tthinkhesaidcivilian
15targets.Hedid,myapologies.
16MRDANIELS:Thankyou,YourHonours.
17Q.Canyouexplainwhatyoumeanby"skillfullyavoiding
18civiliantargets"?
19A.Well,whatImeantbythat,becausewithFiveStarGeneral
20hadinstilledanideologyinus,whichwemeanbyskillfully
21bypass,becausewehadnotwantedcivilianstoseeusandknow
22thatwewereusingaparticularrouteleadingtoanareawhich
23wasthathighwaythatwasbetweenGberiJunctionandMamusa.And
24thatiswhatI'mreferringtoasusingabypassskillfully,
25withoutfiringashot,nocommunicationandnobodyitwasa
26silentmovement,whichwassystematic,anditwasaveryskillful
27one,yousee.ThatiswhatImeant.
28Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Mamusa,didanything
29happenthere?
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1A.Yes.Well,wemettheECOMOGforceatMamusa.They
2mountedacheckpointattheJunction,sowetriedtoputthem
3undercontrol,yes,becausetheywerearmedmen.Weputthem
4undercontrol.Astheysawus,theyattackedusandwewere
5skillfulintryingtodislodgethem,andwecapturedtheirarms
6andammunition,andfromthere,wewenttoMamusa.Wewent
7behindMamusaandwemadeanRV.
8Q.WhatdoyoumeanbyyoumadeRV?
9A.Well,RVisasoldierexpressions;thatis,weprepared
10thatplacewherewebased.Weorganisedtheplace.Wemadea
11base.Wemountedanoperation.Ifwewerenotfittowewere
12unabletodislodgethepeopleweattacked,wewillcomebackto
13theplacewherewemadethisRV.Thatiswhatwereferredto.
14Butiftheyprepareaplaceandweattackandifyouareunable
15tooverpowertheECOMOGforce,wewillwithdrawtacticallyand
16comebacktotheplaceandwegatheratthatplaceandensure
17thatnomanwasmissinginaction.
18Q.MrWitness,yousaidyouwereabletocapturesomearmsand
19ammunitionfromtheECOMOG.Whatarmsandammunitionwereyou
20abletocapture?
21A.Well,wecapturedartilleryweaponsandrifles,becausethe
22ECOMOG,theyhadatroop,twofieldtroop,infantryand
23artillery,andsowehadrifleliketheLR,lightmachineguns,
24wehadSMGs,submachineguns,semiautomaticrifle,andHMG,
25heavymachinegun,bazooka,commandomortar,60mmmortarsandwe
26capturedcannons,Frenchsupportweapons,andwecaptured120mm
27mortar,andapartfromthat,wecapturedasinglebarrel,which
28wasanAA,andwealsocapturedotherammunition,whichwasa
29rocketbombfromthem,liketheRPGbombs,thebazookabombs,the
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1mortarbombsandtherifles.Thearmsandammunitions,we
2captureduptoeightboxesofammunitionfromthem.
3Q.YousaidthatyouwentbehindMamusa.Fromafterthe
4captureofthisartilleryandarms,didthetroopsgoanywhere?
5A.Well,atroopweregroupedandformedanRV.FiveStar
6General,hewasattheRV,attheheadquarters,andorganiseda
7teamwhichwouldbetheRDF
8THEINTERPRETER:Theinterpreterissorry,canthewitness
9comeagain.
10MRDANIELS:
11Q.YouweretalkingaboutthetaskforceaboutSAJMusa
12appointingJuniorLionastaskforcecommander.Continuefrom
13thereandspeakabitslowly.
14A.Repeat.
15Q.YouweretellingusthatSAJMusaappointedSAJMusaasthe
16taskforcecommander.Continuefromthere,afteryourrendezvous
17attheRV?
18A.Well,hehadappointedJuniorLionasfirstcommander,
19TerminatorasRDF,soheorderedthemonanoperationtogoto
20Lunsar.HeorderedthemtoattacktheECOMOGbaseinLunsar,in
21ordertocapturearmsandammunitionandcombatfromthemand
22theyshouldreturntoreport.Sotheywent.Theywentand
23overpoweredtheECOMOGinLunsar.Theycapturedarms,ammunition
24andcombatuptoacontainer.Theycamewiththem.Theymetthe
25FiveStarGeneralandmadeareport,becauseweinthemilitary,
26anyoperationyouhavetogiveasituationalreport,sotheycame
27andmadethatreport.JuniorLion,thetaskforcecommander,he
28cameandhandedovertotheFiveStarGeneralandhegavehimthe
29situationreport.
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1Q.Wherewasthesecondaccused?
2A.Well,thesecondaccused,theywerebetweenthe
3headquarters,CandBCompaniesandtheywerestillattherear.
4Q.HowlongdidthetroopsstayatRVafterJuniorLioncame
5backtoreportabouttheattackonLunsar?
6A.Itwasjustadayandahalfoperation.Theycameand
7reported.JuniorLioncameandreportedtoFiveStarGeneral
8abouttheoperation.
9Q.Andfromtheredidthetroopsmoveanywhere?
10A.Yes,sir.
11Q.Where?
12A.Well,thetroops,weadvancedtowardsMasiaka,butweused
13bypassroad,betweenMasiakaandtheBoRoad.Weusedbypass
14roadbetweenMasiakaandBoRoad.Wewentthroughbeyond
15MasiakaandMagbeniarea.Thatwastheareawewentandmadea
16base.
17Q.Whatwasthenameoftheareawhereyoumadeabase?
18A.Magbeni,Magbeni,beyondMasiaka.
19Q.ForhowlongdidthetroopsstayatMagbeniarea?
20A.Well,thetroopsonlyspentadayatMagbeniarea,about
21oneandahalfdaysthatwasthetimethatSAJMusaorganisedan
22operationforMasiaka.
23[StenographerenteredCourt]
24MRDANIELS:YourHonour,Magbeni,Ihave,MAGBENI.
25Q.Fromthere,didthetroopsmoveanywhere?
26A.Yes,sir.
27Q.Wheredidtheymoveto?
28A.MasiakaTown.
29Q.DidanythinghappenatMasiakaTown?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Whathappened?
3A.Well,wemetheavyforceofECOMOGatMasiaka.Morethan
41,000forceofECOMOGatMasiaka,so,weattackedthere.Five
5StarsentatrooptoattackMasiakaandovercomethemthere.We
6capturedalltheirammunition.Wecapturedprisonersofwar,two
7ofthem,atMasiaka.
8Q.Didyouwereyoupartofthisoperation?
9A.Well,atthattime,theoperationyes,Iwasinthe
10operation.
11Q.Andtheseprisonersofwar,whowerethey?
12A.TheywereECOMOGsoldiers.
13Q.Didanythinghappentothem?
14A.No.Wesecuredthem.Wetookcareofthembecausethey
15wereprisonersofthewars,war,andwewerefightingasSLAand
16whenyoucaptureyourenemyyoushouldputhimundercontroland
17takecareofhim.
18Q.AndforhowlongwereyouatMasiaka?
19A.Itwasaboutitwasjustaboutfour,fivehoursattack.
20Shortandsharp.Wemovedandcapturedalltheirarmsandwe
21withdrewtacticallyfromthem.
22Q.Ifyoucanremember,doyouknowtheexactdateyouwere
23abletoattackMasiaka?
24A.Well,atthattime,itwasaroundDecember,December.I
25cannotrecalltheexactdatebutitwasaroundDecember.
26Q.And,fromMasiaka,didthetroopsmoveanywhere?
27A.Well,yes.
28Q.Beforeyoutellme,wherewasthesecondaccusedwhileyou
29wereatMasiaka?
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1A.Thesecondaccusedhewasbetweenattherear.Atthe
2rear.Themanwasattherear.Itwasattherear.
3Q.AndfromMasiakadidthetroopsmoveanywhere?
4A.Yes,sir.
5Q.Wheredidtheymoveto?
6A.Well,theadvancetroopmovedtoMile38,ECOMOGbase.
7Thatwaswherethefirsttroopwent.Theylaunchedanoffensive
8attackagainsttheECOMOGforces.Theymoved,repelledthemfrom
9Mile38.
10Q.Howdidyouknowthat,thattheadvancegrouprepelledthe
11advanceforcetoMile38?
12A.Well,itwasthroughcommunication.
13Q.AnddidtheothergroupsfollowuptoMile38?
14A.Well,theothergroupsdidn'tgotoMile38anymore.They
15usedabypassroute.
16Q.Andwheredidtheygoto?
17A.Well,theywentbackofRDF,Sumbuya.SumbuyaTown.
18BeyondSumbuya.Thatwaswheretheothergroupblocked.
19Q.SUMBUYAforSumbuya.DidanythinghappenatSumbuya
20Town?
21A.Yes,sir,yes,sir.
22Q.Whathappened?
23A.Well,whathappenedatroopofECOMOGwasthere.Itwasa
24battalionforce.ECOMOGwasbasedatSumbuya,so,fromthere,we
25attackedthem.WemovedthemfromSumbuyaandcapturedtheir
26ammunition.Wecaptureduniformsfromthem,andarmsand
27ammunition.
28Q.WereyoupartoftheattackonSumbuya?
29A.Yes,ImyselfwastherebecauseIamatrainedsoldier.I
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1realisedthatall,wewerecomingtoFreetown,soIwasonthe
2offensivefromSumbuya.Welaunchedtheattack.WemovedECOMOG
3forcefromthere.Wecapturedthetown.Iamoneofthem.
4Q.FromSumbuya,wheredidthetroopswheredidyoumove
5to?
6A.Well,fromSumbuya,wemovedbackofFourMileand
7Ahmadiyyaschool,backofAhmadiyyaschool.Thatwaswherewe
8movedto.
9Q.Andfromthere?
10A.Fromtherefromthere,well,weIthewitness,Five
11StarGeneralgavemeatasktolayambushatFourMilehighway.
12Q.Didyougoandlaytheambush?
13A.Yes,sir.Ilaidtheambush,amasterpieceambush.
14Q.Andwhodidyouambush?
15A.Well,IamanSLA.ItwasECOMOGforce.Wehad
16informationthattheywereatmusterparadeatBenguemawiththe
17taskcommander,Khobe,sotheyorganisedatroopforthehighway
18whichwas
19THEINTERPRETER:YourHonour,Ididn'tgetthelastword
20ofthewitness.
21MRDANIELS:
22Q.MrWitness,yousaidyouwentonacanyoujustrepeat
23whatyousaid?
24A.IsaidIlaidanambush,amasterpieceambushforECOMOG
25forceandfourtruckofECOMOGwerecomingfromWaterlootoFour
26Mile.Sotheymetmeontheambush,soIlaunchedanoffensive
27launching.Yes,supportweapon,soIdislodgedthefourtrucks.
28Noneofthemwereabletoescapefrommyambush;alltheECOMOG
29forces.
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1Q.WhathappenedtotheECOMOGforces?
2A.Iovercomethem.Theyfellintomyambush.Theyfellinto
3myambush.Allofthemdied.Iexecutedallofthemthroughthe
4launchingsononeofthemwereabletoescape.Theyalldiedat
5thesamespot.Fromthen,theAlphaJetscameandwasmoving
6aroundbutItooktimeanddeployedtacticallyandobservedthe
7movementoftheAlphaJetbombardment.
8Q.Andafterthisambush,didyoudoanything?
9A.Well,aftertheambushIreportedtomyFiveStarGeneral,
10SAJMusa.Igavehimasituationreportabouttheambushand
11explainedwhathappenedintheambush.
12Q.Andwhatdidhesay?
13A.Hesaid,"Verygood.ThatiswhatIlikebecausethatwas
14anenemytarget."Thatiswhathehadtoldus,thatweshould
15attackECOMOGforces,amanthatwasarmedisanenemy.Anyman
16withanarm,ifyouareabletodislodgehim,dislodgehim.So,
17fromthen,heorganisedanoperationforWaterlooandBenguema.
18Q.HowdidheorganisetheoperationforWaterlooand
19Benguema?
20A.Well,theoperationbecausetheyhadrealised,sincewe
21hadcometoabuiltuparea.Then,finally,theyplacedmeat
22thefrontlineandsaidfromhereyouwillnotgototherear
23again.YouwillbeatthefrontandJuniorLion,astaskforce
24commander,wewereallinthefightingteam,weorganiseduptwo
25companies.Iandsomecommanders,inordertocaptureBenguema
26Barracks,plannedoperation.
27Q.WhichcommandersassistedyoutocaptureBenguemaBarracks,
28apartfromJuniorLion?
29A.Well,wehadoperationCommanderOFive;wehadthirdin
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1command,CaptainEddie;wehadBobson;AlimamyYapoSesay;wehad
2Ashim;andafterthatwehadPikin;MPSLMambo;wehadZenoand
3GoldTeeth.
4Q.DidyoueventuallylaunchtheoffenceonBenguema?
5A.Yes,yes.WelaunchedanoffensiveattackforBenguema
6becausethatwasourfirstbarrack,BTC,BengwemaTraining
7Centre.We,asSLA,sincetheyhaddisbandedthenationalarmy,
8welaunchedanoffensiveattackandwedislodgedthemfrom
9BenguemaBarracksandwecapturedarmsandammunitionfromthem.
10Q.Whattimeofdaydidthisoffensivetakeplace?
11A.Well,itwasonthe22ndDecember1998.The22ndDecember
121998,welaunchedanoffensiveattackonBenguemaBarracks.
13Q.DidanythinghappenwhileyouwereatBenguemaBarracks?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Pleasetellus.
16A.Well,whenwecapturedwhenIcapturedBenguema
17Barracks,togetherwithsomeofthecommandersthatIhad
18mentioned,FiveStarGeneralarrived.Hewenttothemess,spoke
19withthefirstincommand,Khobe,andtoldKhobethatnowhewas
20headingforthecityinordertoreinstatethenational
21Q.Beforeyougoon,yousaidfirstincommand,Khobe.First
22incommandofwhat?
23A.ECOMOGforce.Khobe,firstincommandoftheECOMOGforce.
24Q.Andhowdidhespeaktothefirstincommand,Khobe?
25A.Well,itwasthroughcommunicationsetthatheandKhobe
26spoke,inBenguemaofficers'mess.
27Q.WereyoupresentwhenhewastalkingtoKhobe?
28A.Yes,sir,becauseIwasthere.Iwasacommander.Iwas
29there.
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1Q.Andwhatdidhesay?
2A.Well,hetoldKhobethatnow,hesaid,"Khobe,firstin
3command,nowheisinchargeofBenguemaBarracks,BTC,Benguema
4TrainingCentre."Hesaidnow,heispreparingabrigade
5operationforthecity.Hewouldseethathesteppedintothe
6cityandthenthefirstincommandforECOMOG,Khobe,hepleaded
7withhim.Hebeggedhimnottocometothecity.Thenhesaid
8hewascomingtothecity.Sothatwasthecommunicationhehad
9withthefirstincommand,ECOMOGandFiveStarGeneral,SAJ
10Musa.
11Q.Atthistime,wherewasthesecondaccused?
12A.Hewasattherear.Hewasattherear.Hewasunder
13control.
14Q.Doyouknow,ifatall,whetherSAJMusahadacallsign?
15A.Whatdoyoumean,callsignorgunsound?Idon't
16understand.Repeatit.
17Q.I'mtalkingaboutcallsign,forcommunication?
18A.Yes,hehadacallsigntocommunicate.
19Q.Doyouknowwhathiscallsignwas,thecallsignofthe
20FiveStarGeneral?
21A.Well,hiscallsignwasEagle.
22Q.Andatthistime,wherewerethecivilians?
23A.Thecivilianswereattheheadquarters.Theywerewitha
24groupthatwasupto150armedmen.Theyweresecuringthemso
25thattheywouldnotbetouchedbyanything.Theywereatthe
26headquarters.
27Q.AndhowfarisBenguemafromthecity?
28A.Well,Benguema,IonlyknewthatBenguema,fromBenguemato
29Waterlooisaroundamileandahalf.From,apartfromthat,I
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1don'tknowthemileagebetweenWaterlooandthecity.
2Q.Andhowlongwouldittakesoldierstoarriveatthecity
3fromBenguema,marching?
4A.Well,itdependsfor,likeus,theSLAthatwereinthe
5jungle,tomovewithinthoseareasfromBenguematothecity,it
6wouldn'ttakeusfivehours,wewouldbeinthecity.Fiveto
7sixhoursIwillbeinthecitythroughwalkingbecauseIhaveto
8usesomebypassroutessothatIwillgetthereontime.
9Q.DidanythingelsehappenwhileyouwereatBenguema?
10A.Yes,sir.Yes,sir.
11Q.Whathappened?
12A.Well,whathappened,FiveStarGeneralcalledfor120mm
13mortar.Theycamewithitandhesaidtheyshoulddigtheground
14andplantit.Then,hetriedtoorganise,inordertolaunchthe
15120mmmortarintothecity.Sooneofthemenmadeamistake.
16Theyplacedfireinaroomwheretherewereammunitionandarms.
17Sowhenheputthefirethere,thefirewassetablazeand
18somethingexplodedinthere.So,fromthen
19MRDANIELS:
20YourHonours,thethirdaccusedwouldliketousethe
21bathroom.
22PRESIDINGJUDGE:Yes.MrKanucanleavetheCourt.
23MRDANIELS:
24Q.Yes,MrWitness.Yousaidsomethingexploded.Please
25continue.
26A.Yes,sir.Well,becauseIwasn'tintheammunitionroom,
27buttherewerearmsandammunitionandgasinthere,sosomebody
28setfireandwedidn'tknowwhoitwasanditexploded.From
29then,SAJMusa,oneofthethingshithisheadandhedropped.
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1Q.Doyourecallthenamesofanyseniorofficerswhowere
2aroundwhenthisexplosiontookplace?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.PleasetellthisCourt.
5A.Well,firstofall,Iwas,I,thewitness,Iwasoneofthe
6men.Iwaspresent.Andsecondly,adjutantEddie,CaptainEddie
7wasthere.
8Q.And
9A.Tito.SalifuMansaray,aliasTito.
10Q.WhenyousaySAJMusadropped,whatdoyoumean?
11A.Hedied.Hedied.
12Q.AndafterSAJMusadied,didanythinghappen?
13A.Yes,sir.Well,whenFiveStarGeneralSAJMusadied,we
14decidedtobreakadoorandplacedhimontopofthedoor.And
15movedwithhimtacticallytowardsTomboarea.
16Q.Yousaid,"we,"whoarewe?
17A.I,MrWitness.
18Q.Togetherwith
19A.WiththenamesthatIhadmentioned.Ihaven'tcalledall
20thenamesyet.JuniorLion.
21Q.Carryon.
22A.JuniorLionandAlabama,whowascookSAJ'scook,the
23FiveStarGeneral.HewasthecookforSAJMusa,FiveStar's
24Batman.
25Q.AndafterSAJMusawasputontoadoor,didanything
26happen?
27A.Yes.WecapturedanECOMOGsoldier.Heescapedfromus
28afterthedeathofSAJMusa.SoherevealedthesecretthatFive
29StarGeneralhaddied,whowastheSLA'sgeneralcommander,had
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1died.SothatcausedECOMOGtoorganiseatrooptocomeforthe
2corpse,tocomeandcollectthecorpsefromus.Sowerepelled
3theattack.Theyattackedus.Theydislodgedthegroupbutwe
4regrouped.Andwe,too,repelledtheattackandwentonan
5offensiveattackandremovedthemfromtheground,capturedtheir
6vehicle,tookthecorpseandwemovedwiththeFiveStar
7General'scorpse.
8Q.WheredidyoumovetowiththeFiveStarGeneral'scorpse?
9A.WewentalongtheLionMountain.Wetookthecorpseatthe
10backofBenguemaBarracksandatonevillage,thelastvillageto
11gototheLionMountain,Idon'trememberthenameofthe
12mountain.
13Q.Doyourememberthenameofthevillage?
14A.No,no.No,Idon'trememberthenameofthevillage,but
15Iknowit'sbytheLionMountain.
16Q.DidanythinghappentoSAJMusa'scorpse?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.Whathappened?
19A.Well,weburiedhimregimental.Wefired21gunshotsalute
20andburiedhimpeacefully.Fromthenwemovedon.
21Q.So,atthistime,didanythinghappentothecommand
22structure?
23A.Well,nothinghappenedwiththecommandstructurebecause
24theonlythingwasthatweweredisgruntledbecauseFiveStarhad
25died.Weweredisgruntled.Therewasn'tanycommand,butthe
26secondincommand,FAT,tookcontrolofthecommand.Andhe
27workedaccordingtoSAJMusa'splan.
28Q.Howdidthesecondincommandtakecontrol?
29A.Well,accordingtothecommandstructurethatSAJMusahad
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1formedfromColonelEddieTown,hewasthesecondincommandso
2whenSAJMusadiedheonlyhadtotakecommand,thesecondin
3command,hehadtotakecommandofthetroopandworkwiththe
4FiveStarGeneral'sfirstplanthathehadformed.
5Q.AndfromBenguema,didthetroopsgoanywhere?
6A.WewentuptheLionMountain.
7Q.Andwhathappened?
8A.Well,wefastedforaday,forFiveStarGeneralbecauseof
9hisdeath.EverybodyfastedforadaybecauseoftheFiveStar
10General'sdeath.Afterthefasting,wecame.Welackedfood.
11SowedecidedtoreturntoBenguemaWaterloo,tofindfood.So
12wewenttoWaterlooandsearchedforfoodandcamebacktothe
13hill.
14Q.Andafteryouhadfoundfoodwentbacktothehill,didthe
15troopgoanywhere?
16A.Well,wewereupthere.Wedidn'tgoanywhere.Wesat
17downforawhile.Untilthe25thofDecember,wewereupthe
18hill.
19Q.Didanythinghappenonthe25thofDecember?
21Q.Pleasetellus.
22A.Well,fromthere,whilewewereuptheLionMountain,it's
23byanareacalledPopoHill.Fromthere,theECOMOGforceshad
24informationthatwe,ourFiveStarGeneral,firstincommandhad
25diedandweweremissinginaction.WewereMIA.Sowewereup
26theLionMountain.Sotheyshouldorganiseabrigadeoperation
27tocaptureusaliveuptheLionMountain.Sotheyformedthe
28brigadeoperation,ECOMOG.TheycameuptheLionMountain.They
29assaultedusuptheLionMountain.Fromthen,theairraidcame,
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1theAlphaJet.Hebombarded.Fromthen,theGuinean
2THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,please,canthewitnessgo
3overthatjetissue.
4MRDANIELS:
5YouweretalkingabouttheAlphaJets.Couldyoupleasego
6overthatandspeakabitmoreslowly.
7A.Well,wewereuptheLionMountain.Wetheyformeda
8brigade.Theymadeanairraidwhichwasan
9THEINTERPRETER:Theinterpreterissorry,couldthe
10witnesscomeagain.
11MRDANIELS:
12Ithinkyouarespeakingabittoofast.BeforeIgoon,
13YourHonours,dowehaveasettimewewillbreaktoday?
14PRESIDINGJUDGE:Allright.Ithinkwewilltakeashort
15break.Wewillcomebackat11.20.
16MrWitness,youareawareyouarenotpermittedtodiscuss
17thecaseoryourevidenceduringthesebreaks.Right.Wewill
18adjournuntil11.20.
19[Breaktakenat11.03a.m.]
20[Uponresumingat11.20a.m.]
21PRESIDINGJUDGE:Goahead,MrDaniels.
22MRDANIELS:Thankyou,YourHonour.
23Q.Goodmorningagain,MrWitness.
24A.Goodmorning,sir.
25Q.Yes,MrWitness.Beforewebrokeoffyouweretellingus
26abouttheformingofabrigadearoundLionMountainswhenyou
27wereattackedbyAlphaJets.Canyoupleasegooverthat?
28PRESIDINGJUDGE:No,goonfromthere.Noneedtogoover
29thatagain.
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1MRDANIELS:Ibegyourpardon.
2Q.Goonfromthere.
3A.Okay.WewereuptheLionMountain.There,wesawan
4AlphaJet,groundtroopsandagunshipandanairtaxi.The
5AlphaJetstartedbombarding.Thegunshipwasalsobombarding.
6Thegroundtroops,theywerelaunchingoverheadwithsupport
7weaponsatthehill.Fromthere,whentheyhadensuredthat
8they`vesoftenedthearea,thegroundtroopbeganmovingandthey
9wentandmetupusthehill.Theyassaultedusinthebush.
10Fromthere,we,ourselves,repelledtheattack,yes.We,
11ourselves,wewentontheoffensive.Westartedexchangefire
12butweweremorestrongerthantheywere.Weensuredthatwe
13pursuedthemwheretheycamefrom.FromtheLionMountainwe
14pursuedthemdowntotheirownheadquarters,whichwasGrafton,
15Hastings,sowechasedthemandwentdowntoHastings.So,
16again,wecapturedtheHastingheliportwheretheyformedtheir
17brigadeoperation.WecapturedHastingheliport,andwepursued
18themtoJui,totheJuiOSDstrongbase.Wecapturedtheretoo
19and,fromthere,wemovedtoKossohTown,wherethebrigadeforce
20ofECOMOGwasbased,thatisKossohTown,soweensuredthatwe
21dividedtheKossohTownintotwo.TheECOMOGwereononepart,
22andwewereontheotherpart.
23Q.MrWitness,whowasthecommanderinchargeofthe
24counteroffensiveagainsttheECOMOGorthetroops,whenyouhad
25topursuethemdownthehillheadingtoGrafton,toHastings,to
26JuiTown,toKossoh?
27A.JuniorLion.Hewasthecommanderforthatparticular
28operation.
29Q.Doyourecallwhichdateitwasthatthiscounteroffensive
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1tookplace?
2A.Well,itwasaroundJanuary5.
3Q.Atthistime,MrWitnessJanuary5whichyear,please?
4A.1999.
5Q.Andatthistime,wherewasthesecondaccused,ifyou
6know?
7A.Well,thesecondaccused,fromthetimehewasattherear,
8Ididn'tseehimagain.Iwasatthebattlefront,fighting.So
9Ididnotknowabouthimagain.
10Q.AndfromKossohTown,didyougoanywhere?
11A.Well,fromKossohTown,yes.
12Q.Wheredidyougo?
13A.Well,fromKossohTown,JuniorLionwithdrewwithus.He
14wentbacktotheHastingsheliport.Fromtherehe,wewent
15throughtheOruguBridge.I,MrWitness,Iandtheothermen,we
16passedthroughtheOruguBridgetowardsAllenTown,withthe
17troops.
18Q.DidyoueventuallygettoAllenTownwiththetroops?
19A.Yes,sir.
20Q.Andwhenwasthis?
21A.January6th.
22Q.Andfromthere,fromAllenTown,didyougoanywhere?
23A.Well,fromAllen,yes,sir.
24Q.PleasetelltheCourt.
25A.Well,fromAllenTown,fromAllenTown,wewereatAllen
26Town,thatwasthetimewesawtheAlphaJetwithwiththe
27gunship.Theycameandbombardedwherewewere.Theybombarded
28atamosque,atachurch.Theybombardedatachurch,inAllen
29Town.
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1Q.Didanythinghappenasaresultofthebombardmentofthe
2churchatAllenTown?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.Whathappened?
5A.Well,theykilledpeoplethere.
6Q.Whichpeople?Weretheysoldiersorcivilians?
7A.Theykilledsoldiers.OneofthecommanderscalledColonel
8Choku.
9Q.Wasitonlythechurchthatwasaffectedbythe
10bombardment?
11A.No,theybombardedalloverAllenTownbecausethechurch,
12itwastheBNGtheyusedatthechurch.And,fromthere,it
13launchedaclusterbomb.Fromthereitwentandcamebackand
14usedtheantiaircraft,AA,withthegrenadelauncher,sowewere
15dislodged.Somesomeweremissinginaction.Everybodywas
16battlingforhimself.Laterweregrouped.Fromthere,wesaw
17infantrytroopscoming.
18Q.Wheredidyouregroup?
19A.WeregroupedatthesideofAllenTown.
20Q.Andwhereweretheinfantrytroopscomingfrom?
21A.Itwasfromthecity.ThatwastheECOMOGforce,the
22infantry,theKamajors,andtheGbethis.
23Q.Anddoyouknowwhetherthetroopswentanywhere,the
24advancingtroops,theKamajorsandtheGbethis,didtheygo
25anywhere?
26A.Yes.
27Q.Wheredidtheygo?
28A.Well,theKamajors,theGbethisandtheECOMOG,theymoved
29towardsthelocationwherewewereatAllenTown.Thatwaswhere
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1theywent,inordertomeetus,andtheywereontheoffensive,
2firingveryseriously.
3Q.Didanythinghappenasaresultoftheoffensiveyoujust
4described?
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.Whathappened?
7A.Wellwe,ourselves,weusedbypassroads.Wegavethem
8way,sotheyhadwantedtocometotown,sowelockedthemupand
9containedthem.Sowemovedthem.Wedislodgedthem.Weran
10afterthemintothecity.
11Q.Didanythinghappentothemafteryouranaftertheminto
12thecity?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Whathappened?
15A.Well,theywereunabletoresistus.Ourfirepowerwas
16morestrongerthantheirs.Ourfirepowerwasmorethantheirs
17andtheyretreatedrapidly.Weforcedthemtorunandtheyleft
18alltheirweaponsbehind.AtSLPMBwedividedintotwogroups.
19OneusedtheOldRoad,oneusedtheNewRoad.
20Q.MrWitnesswhatisSLPMD[sic]?
21A.Well,SLPMB,thatisanarea,thatisanareawhereyou
22findsomefactories.Youhaveanareawhereyouhavefactories.
23Youhavethatistheareawheredifferentthingsare
24manufactured.Idon'tknowtherightIdon'tknowthemeaning
25ofthepneumonicsSLPMB.
26Q.Butwhereexactlyisit?
27A.Well,afterAllenTown.Itislocatedattheeastcoastof
28theWesternArea.
29Q.MrWitness,inthismarchfromPopohilltoGrafton,to
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1Jui,toKossohTown,didthesoldierscommitanyatrocities
2againstthecivilians;against,nottheciviliansthatwerewith
3you,againstthecivilianswithinthoseareas?
4A.No.
5Q.Werethesoldiersburningdownanyofthehousesofthe
6civilians?
7A.No,sir.
8Q.WereciviliansabductedinthismarchtoFreetown?
9A.No,sir.
10Q.Werewomenrapedbythesoldiersastheyadvancedto
11Freetown?
12A.No.OurFiveStarGeneralwasagainstallthatyouare
13tellingmebecausetheideologywasagainstthat.Ifanybodydid
14thattheyweregoingtobeexecuted,so,wewerenottryingto
15attemptingtodothat.OurtargetwastheECOMOG.Noburning,
16noraping.Asyouknow,etcetera,weretargetingECOMOG
17positionsbecausewewerethisanarmedstruggle.
18Q.MrWitness,yousaidafterSLPMByouformedyourselvesinto
19twogroups.Wheredidthefirstgroupgo?
20A.ThefirstgroupwenttotheNewRoad.
21Q.Andthesecondgroup?
22A.OldRoad,OldRoad.
23Q.Andwherewereyou?
24A.I,MrWitness,wasattheOldRoadontheoffensiveattack.
25Q.WhowasleadingtheoffensiveattackontheOldRoadinto
26thecity?
27A.Well,theoffensiveattackattheOldRoad,JuniorLionwas
28thecommanderfortheOldRoadgroupandIwaswithhim.After
29thatyouhaveNPFL.TherewasAshimandTula.
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1Q.Andwhowastheleaderofthenewgroup,thecommanderof
2thenewgroupontheNewRoad,Ibegyourpardon?
3PRESIDINGJUDGE:Youmeanthefirstgroup.
4MRDANIELS:
5Q.TheOldRoad,Ibegyourpardon.Thefirstgroup,whowas
6thecommander?
7A.Well,thefirstgroup,thecommanderwasOFive.Tito,
8SalifuMansaray,MedBadjejeh.
9Q.Andthenewtheold,OldRoadgroup,wheredidyougo
10to?
11A.Well,wewentthroughBlackhallRoadbytheBenzgarage,
12aroundthecemetery.TheUpgunroundabout.Thatwaswherewe
13wentandwemetaveryseriousreinforcementoftheECOMOGand
14theyhadaveryseriousfirepower.Butstill,wewereableto
15putthemundercontrol.Wewereabletomeetthemundercontrol,
16toputthemundercontrolweusedabypass.JuniorLionpassed
17anorderthattheothermenshouldengagetheECOMOGandbothof
18us,Iandhimself,weshoulduseabypassbythiscemeterythen
19makeanambushbackofroadtransportbyKissyRoadattheback
20ofKissyRoadandthebackofECOMOGandfromtherewelaunched
21anattack.Butthefightingtookplaceaboutonehour.Thatwas
22aonehourfightbetweenourselvesandECOMOG.We,thatcame
23fromtheOldRoad,engagedinthebattlebetweenourselvesand
24ECOMOGforaboutanhour.
25Q.AndtheNewRoadgroup,wheredidtheyheadto?
26A.TheywenttoFerryJunction,sothatwouldwecanmeetat
27UpgunNewRoad,thosefromtheOldRoad.ThatisbytheFerry
28Junction.
29Q.AndaftertheOldRoadgroupovercametheECOMOGforces,
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1didyougoanywhere?
2A.Yes,sir.
3Q.Andwheredidyougoto?
4A.Well,weadvancedfromthere.We,theOldRoadgroup,we
5usedtheKissyRoad.TheNewRoadgrouptheyusedClineTown,
6WaterQuay,FourahBayRoadbyfireburn,EasternPolice,went
7throughKissyRoad.WemetatEasternPolice.Fromtherewe
8wenttotheStateHouse,theStateHouse.Weensuredthatwe
9metveryserious,alotofmanpowerattheECOMOG,aserious
10manpowerofECOMOGattheStateHouse,sowemovedthemfrom
11there.Fromtherewewenttothemaximumprisoncentral.That
12isPadembaRoadPrisons.
13Q.WhoinstructedyoutogotothePadembaRoadPrison?
14A.Well,itwasJuniorLionandOFiveandTito.Theysaidwe
15shouldmovethroughtheordersofthecommander,FATSesay.It
16washesaidthatwastheordergiventohimbyFAT,sothatwe
17couldgoandopenupthePadembaRoadPrisons.
18Q.Atthistime,wherewastheNewRoadgroup?
19A.Well,theNewRoadgrouptheyhadcomeuptoBathurst
20StreetbyPZ,so,theygotaninformationthatwehavecaptured
21theStateHouse.Sotheywentthereandtheyreinforcedusand
22wewenttogetherandopenedthemaximumprisonsatPadembaRoad.
23Q.AtwhattimeofdaydidyougettothePadembaRoadPrison
24tobreakopen?
25A.Well,itwasaround4.00to5.00a.m.inthemorning.4.00
26to5.00inthemorning.
27Q.DidyoueventuallybreakopenintoPadembaRoadPrison?
28A.Yes.
29Q.Howdidyoudoso?
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1A.Well,thePadembaRoadPrison,whenweappearedthere,we
2metveryseriousresistanceatthegate.TheECOMOGforceswere
3there.WithtanksandarmouredcarsandtheKamajors.Theywere
4tryingtoblockthegateinordertodefendthearea,butwe
5ensuredthatwecamefromtwodifferentareas,theleftand
6right.WecamethroughCampbellStreet,weenteredtheMende
7churcharea.Weusedthebypassthere.WecametoBenjamin
8Lane.Atthattimethedewwasdroppingveryseriously,we
9observedthere,weknewthatwasthePadembaRoadgate.Some
10men,whoweretellingustowaitbutwetoldthemthat,inasmuch
11aswewerethere,weshouldbeabletoopenupthegate.Sothe
12tankoftheECOMOGtroopwithdrewtacticallyandleftthe
13infantryontheground,sowewereabletodislodgethembutwe
14wereunable,buttimewastryingtobeatusdown.Wesawthe
15fireforcevehiclebyBenjaminLane,therewasaladderonit.
16Q.WhenyoubrokeopenintoPadembaRoadPrison,what
17happened?
18A.Well,weentered.38ofusenteredtheprison.Wemet
194,000soldiersinthere.Theywereunderpunishmentinthere
20withtheirdifferentfamilies.Allofthemwerethere.Sowe
21entered.Thefirstareawewenttowasthepoliticalblock.So,
22wetriedtorescuethepoliticaldetaineesthatwereplacedthere
23whohadalreadybeencondemned.Therewastheformerpresident,
24hewasalreadyconvicted.Hewasthereservingasentence.So
25he,himself,wasinadifferentblock.Theformerpresident,JS
26Momoh.Fromthere,werescueallofthemfromthePadembaRoad
27Prison.
28Q.Yousawabout4,000soldiers;whichfactiondidtheybelong
29to?
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1A.AllofthemwereSLAsoldiers.SLAsoldiers.SLA
2soldiers.AllofthemwereSLAs.
3Q.Anddoyouknowwhythe4,000soldierswerebeingpunished
4bybeingputinPadembaRoadPrison?
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.Why?
7A.Theysaidbecausetheyweresoldiers,theyweretheones
8thatoverthrewthegovernmentoftheSLPP,sotheyhadtosuffer
9fortheircolleagues.Thatwaswhytheywereplacedinthe
10prison.
11Q.Doyouknowwhoplacedthemintheprison?
12A.Well,accordingtoinformationitwasthegovernment,the
13ECOMOGforce,KhobeandthesecondincommandBuhariMusa.He
14was,hewassupportedbythecountry.
15Q.Andafteryourescuedthesoldiersandtheprisoners,did
16youtakethemanywhere?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.Whereweretheytakento?
19A.Well,well,thepoliticaldetainees,wetookthemtothe
20rearbyBlackhallRoad,PWD.Wetookthemthere.Thepolitical
21detainees,thesoldiers,theyweredisgruntledbecausesomeof
22them,theirchildren,theirmothers,theirsisters,lovedones,
23theyhadalreadykilledthem.They'dsuffered.Someofthem,
24theyweregunneddown,sotheyweredisgruntled.Whentheycame
25out,wewereunabletocontainthembecausethereweremany.
26Theirnumberwasmorethanus,sowewerejusttryingtogo
27towardsBrookfields,BrookfieldHotel,wheretheULIMOKand
28ULIMOJwere,thespecialforcefromLiberia.Sowelaunchedan
29offensiveattackagainstthem.Weremovedthemfromthe
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1BrookfieldHotel.Wetriedhardandwegotaninformationthat
2therewereothersoldiersatthenationalstadiumswimmingpool.
3Sowewentthere,wemetalotofECOMOGtheresecuringthe
4Q.MrWitness
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.thesedisgruntledsoldiersyouwerejusttalkingabout,
7didtheydoanything,thatyouknowof?
8A.Well,Iwasinthefightingteam.Theywereattherear.
9Theywerecausingproblem.Theycausedproblem.Avengingfor
10otherpeople,thattheyhadbeendisadvantaged,thosepeople
11whosechildrenandsistershadbeenkilled,theytoobegan
12Q.MrWitness,whatdoyoumeantheywereavengingforother
13people?
14A.Well,becauseoftheyweredisgruntled,they'velosttheir
15membersoftheirfamilies,mothers,aunt,theyhavenofaithleft
16inthem,so,theyshouldsurvive.Thatwaswhy,theythemselves,
17whenwefreedthem,theyhadnowheretogoagain.Sotheywere
18just,theywerejustaround.SomewentandjoinedtheECOMOG
19again.TheECOMOGkilledthemagain.Theothermen,theywere
20intown,andtheywereinthecombatantcamp
21THEINTERPRETER:Theinterpreterissorry.Canthe
22witnessgoalittlebitslow.
23MRDANIELS:
24Q.Youtalkedaboutthecombatantcamp.Canyoucontinuefrom
25there,pleaseslowly?
26A.Well,thecombatantcampwasacampwhichcomprisedof
27fightingindividuals,wereatanystagetheystopped,thatwas
28wherewecalledthecombatantcamp,whereinthefightingmen
29basedandthatarea,wereferredtoitasacombatantcamp.That
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1isanexpressioninthemilitary.Sothatwastheareawe
2stoppedandwebasedthere.Thatisthefightingteam.
3Q.Okay.MrWitness.Now,didanythinghappeninFreetownas
4aresultofthesoldiers,3,000,4,000soldiersbeingreleased?
5PRESIDINGJUDGE:Heneversaid3,000.
6MRDANIELS:Hesaid4,000,Ibegyourpardon.
7Q.Asaresultofthe4,000soldiersbeingreleased?
8A.Repeatyourstatement.
9Q.DidanythinghappeninFreetownasaresultofthe4,000
10soldiersbeingreleasedfromPadembaRoadPrison?
11A.Yes.Well,thosesoldiers,someofthem,whowere
12disgruntledanddecidedtojoinus.Somedecidedtojointhe
13ECOMOG.Andalas,theywereexecuted.Sotheonesthatcameup
14tous,theywerenotundercontroland,lateron,thosewerethe
15peoplethatwentandcausedsomeproblems.
16Q.Whatproblemsdidtheycause?
17A.Well,theywereburninghouses.Theywereshooting
18unnecessarily.Avenging.Hadgrudges.Whathadhappenedduring
19theintervention,thewaytheyweretreatedandjailed,killed
20someofthembytime,someofthemburntthem,burnttheir
21houses.Sowhentheywerereleasedtheytoorevengedinthesame
22way.
23Q.Didyouseeanyofthose34,000soldiersburningany
24houses?
25A.Well,Isawtwoofthementhatwehadreleased.Oneof
26themwascalledKontobi.Hehadsurrendered.Istoppedhimwhen
27Iheardtheinformation.Isaidnexttimethatwasnotideology
28thatFiveStarGeneralhadgiventous.
29Q.WherewerethehousesbeingburntinFreetown?
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1A.FromEastEndPolice,theeastcoastoftheWesternArea.
2Q.Anddidyouseeanyofthe4,000soldierskillinganyone?
3A.Well,these4,000soldiers,Ididn'tactuallyseewhere
4theykilledanyone.No,Ididn'tseeanywhere,butIgot
5informationthattheyweretheonesperformingbadly.
6Q.Apartfromkillingandburningofhouses,didtheydo
7anythingelse?
8A.Well,theywerecuttingpeople'shandsanddoingsomeother
9thingsthatwasn'tnecessaryinourmovement,whenFiveStar
10Generalhadcalledamusterparadeandexplainedtous,sothey
11werejustgoingaboutdoingthings.
12Q.Apartfromkilling,cuttinghandsandburninghouses,did
13theydoanythingelse?
14A.Well,Iwasatthefront.Itwasthroughradio
15communicationIusedtogetinformation.
16Q.Andthese4,000soldiers,whowastheircommander?
17A.Well,those4,000soldiersdidn'thaveanycommander.They
18didn'thaveanycommander.Theyweresurrenderedsoldiers.When
19wereleasedthem,theyweremad.Theyhadlostsomeoftheir
20senses.
21Q.MrWitness,didyoueventuallygetbacktotheStateHouse?
22A.Well,Iwentthere,yes.
23Q.AndwhowasinchargeoftheStateHouse?Whowasthe
24commanderinchargeoftheStateHouse?
25A.FATSesay.HewasthecommanderatStateHouse.FAT
26Sesay.SupportedbyOFiveoperationcommanderandother
27commanders,likeBobsonAlimamyYapoSesayandAlabama,theywere
28allaroundatStateHouse.
29Q.DidFATSesaydoanythingwhilehewasattheStateHouse?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Whatdidhedo?
3A.Well,hewentovertheinternationalmediaandspoketothe
4internationalworldandtoldthemwhatourmotivewas.Thatwas
5ourcomingtothecity.
6Q.Andhowdidhecomeorhowdidhecommunicatewiththe
7internationalmedia?
8A.Itwasthroughasatellitephone.
9Q.Wereyoupresentwhilehewascommunicatingtothe
10internationalmedia?
11A.Yes,Iwasacommander.IwasthereatStateHousewhenhe
12wascommunicating.
13Q.Doyouknowwhohewascommunicatingwith?
14A.Well,hewastalkingtotheinternationalworld,totell
15themaboutourproblemsasSLAs,whatourmotivesweretowards
16thecity,thatwehadcometoreinstatethenationalarmy.The
17internationalworldknewaboutourarrivalinthecity,thatwe
18hadcometoreinstateournationalarmy.Weweresoldiers.
19PRESIDINGJUDGE:Perhaps,MrDaniels,ifyoucouldaskthe
20witnesstoansweryourquestions,insteadofvolunteeringallof
21thisinformation.Idon'tknowwhetheryouwantitornot,butI
22doknowthatthelastquestionwas:Doyouknowwhohewas
23communicatingwith?Hestillhasn'tansweredthat.
24MRDANIELS:Iwillclarify,YourHonour,andIwilltake
25thecue.
26Q.DoyouknowwhoFATwascommunicatingwith?Pleaselisten
27tothequestionor.Ibegyourpardon,whowastheFAT
28communicatingwith?
29A.Well,FAT,hewascommunicatingIdon'tknowtheexact
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1personbuthewascommunicatingwiththeinternationalworld.
2Q.Thankyou.AndIhavetoaskthisquestionagain:Wasthe
3secondaccusedpresentattheStateHouseatthistime?
4A.Ididn'tevenseehimfromtherear,Ididn'tseehim.
5Q.AndforhowlongwereyouattheStateHouse?Howlongdid
6youstaytherefor?
7A.Well,itwasonlyfourorfivehours.Fromthenon,I
8moved.
9Q.Wheredidyoumoveto?
10A.Iwenttothefront.
11Q.AndforhowlongdidthetroopsremaininFreetown?
12A.Well,thetroop,thetroopwasinthecity.Uptotwo,
13threeweeks.Twoweeks.Around,yes,twotothreeweeks.
14Q.Anddidanythinghappenduringthosetwotothreeweeks
15whilethetroopsremainedinthecity?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.Whathappened?
18A.Well,theECOMOGforcesrepelledtheattackfromthefront
19andtherear.TheyappearedfromJuitotheeastcoastofthe
20WesternArea.Theyappearedfromthewesttocentralsowewere
21inthemiddle.Sotheywerebombardingseriously.Thejetwas
22bombardingwithinthecity.Theyshotdifferentartilleries,so
23throughthat,wewithdrewtactically.
24Q.Atthistime,MrWitness,wereyoustillwiththe
25civilians?
26A.No,thecivilianswereattherear.Attheheadquarters.
27Q.Andwheredidyouwithdrawto?
28A.Wewithdrewfromtheroutewehadusedtoenter,thatwas
29thesameroutewehadusedtowithdrawbytheeastcoastofthe
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1WesternArea,AllenTownarea.
2Q.AndwhatwasthedatethatyouwithdrewfromFreetown,if
3youremember?
4A.Ican'trecallthedatebecause
5THEINTERPRETER:YourHonour,Ididn'tgetthelastword.
6MRDANIELS:
7Q.Pleaserepeatwhatyousaid.Youcannotremember?
8A.Icannotrecallthedate.Becauseallofus,wedidn't
9moveonthesamedayandthesamehour.Wemovedinbatches.
10Q.AndfromAllenTown,wheredidyougoto?
11A.FromAllenTown,wewenttoLionMountain.Upthehill.
12Q.AndhowlongdidyouspendatLionMountain?
13A.Well,wewereuptheLionMountainfor72hours.Wewere
14findingarouteout.
15Q.Didyoufindarouteout?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.Andwhatroutewasthis?
18A.Weused,thefirstroutewaswasthebackofAllenTown,
19thatwaswhereweused.
20Q.Togowhere?
21A.TogototheLionMountaintogotowardsBenguemaWaterloo
22Barracks.
23Q.DidyougettoBenguemaWaterlooBarracks?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.Andwhowasatwhoweretheseniorcommandersat
26WaterlooBarrackswithyou,BenguemaWaterlooBarracks?
27A.ItwasFATwhowastheseniorcommanderatBenguema
28Barracks.
29Q.Andhowlongdidyouspendthere?
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1A.Well,westayedinBenguemaBarracksuptotwo,threeweeks
2oramonth.
3Q.AndfromBenguemaBarracks,didyougoanywhere?
4A.Yes,sir.
5Q.Wheredidyougoto?
6A.Well,weformedanoperationforTombo.
7Q.Whoare"we"?
8A.I,MrWitness,OFive,JuniorLion,AlimamyBobsonYapo
9SesayandAshimandAlabama.WetookupthemovementforTombo
10operation.
11Q.DidanythinghappenatTombo?Whathappened,ifanything
12did?
13A.Yes,wewerenotfittocaptureTombo.Sowelostsome
14soldiersthere,sosoweretreatedtoBenguemaBarracks.
15Q.AndfromBenguemaBarracks,didyougoanywhere?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.Wheredidyougoto?
18A.Fromthere,IwenttoLumpa,backofWaterloo.Lumpa.
19Q.DidanythinghappenatLumpa?
20A.Yes,sir.Fromthere,westartedhavingseriousattacks
21fromeveryangle.SeriousoffensiveattackfromECOMOGforces.
22Q.SohowlongdidyoustayatLumpa?
23A.Well,Lumpa,I,forinstance,I,MrWitness,Iwasatthe
24blockingforce.IwasthereforuptotwoweeksatLumpa.
25Q.AndfromLumpa,didyougoanywhere?
26A.Yes,sir.
28A.ToFourMile,FourMile,FourMile.Thatiswherewewent
29to.
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1Q.WhodidyougowithtoFourMile?
2A.IandJuniorLionandOFive.TogetherwithBobsonAlimamy
3YapoSesayandourmain.
4Q.DidanythinghappenatFourMile?
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.Whathappened?
7A.Well,wehadaseriousenemyattackatFourMile.
8Q.Whathappened?
9A.Well,wefought.WefoughtandweweredislodgedfromFour
10Mile.Wehavemoved,theECOMOGtroop.
11Q.Wheredidtheymoveyouto?
12A.Well,fromFourMile,IblockedSumbuya,Sumbuya.
13Q.Ihavetoaskthisquestion:Atthistimewasthesecond
14accused,washewithyouatFourMile?
15A.No.Ididn'tseehim.Ididn'tseehim.Hewasnotwith
16us.No.
17Q.WashewithyouatSumbuya?
18A.No,no.
19Q.AndforhowlongwereyouatSumbuya?
20A.Well,Iwasinthefightingteam,IwasinSumbuyaforup
21toamonthasablockingforce.
22Q.Doyourecalltheexactdatesorthemonththatyouwereat
23Sumbuya?
24A.Well,Icanonlyrememberthatitwasin1999,butIcannot
25recallthemonthbecauseitwasoperationtime.
26Q.FromSumbuya,didyougoanywhere?
27A.Yes.
28Q.Andatthistime,apartfromthecommandersyoujust
29mentioned,wereyouwithanyothersoldiers?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Abouthowmanywereyou?
3A.I,MrWitness,forinstance,Iwaswith264manpoweras
4fightingteam.MyowncompanyGcompany.Andtheother
5commanderswerewiththeirmen.
6Q.Doyouknowhowmanymenwerewiththeothercommanders?
7A.Well,Ionlyknewaboutmyownmen.Ididn'tknowabout
8theothermenbecausecasualtyusedtotakeplacesoyouwouldn't
9beabletoknowthenextman'sstrength.
10Q.Andatthistimewherewerethecivilians?
11A.Well,thecivilians,theytookthecivilians,someofthem
12toLunsarandMakeni.Someofthecivilians,again,whowere
13willingtojoinus,theywerewithus.Attherear.
14Q.Whowasinchargeofthecivilians?
15A.ItwastheG5commander,SixFinger.AyoCole.
16Q.FromSumbuya,didyougoanywhere?
17A.Yes,sir.
19A.Fromthere,wewenttoMagbeni.
20Q.WhereisMagbeni?
21A.BackofMasiaka.
22Q.AndhowdidyougettoMagbeni?
23A.Onfoot.Roadwalk.
24Q.AndforhowlongwereyouatMagbeni?
25A.Well,wewereatMagbeniforthreeorfourhoursbecausewe
26werehavingpressurefromECOMOGairraidandtheinfantrywas
27ratracingus.
28Q.FromMagbeni,didyougoanywhere?
29A.Yes,sir.
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1Q.Wheredidyougo?
2A.WecrossedRokelRiver,toRogberi.Rogberi.
3Q.HowdidyoucrosstheRokelRiver?
4A.Well,theRokelRiverwecrossed,weflankedsidebyside.
5Wewentuptohalfamile.Wetriedtolocateanareathat
6wasn'tdeep,anareathatwasn'tdeep,soweheldeachother's
7clothesandcrossedtheriverandwenttoRogberiitself.
8RogberiTown.
9Q.WhereisRogberiTown,inwhatdistrictisit?
10A.Well,it'sinPortLokoDistrict.
11Q.DoesRogberihaveanothername?
13Q.Whatisthatname?
14A.WestSide.WestSide.
15Q.WholedthecrossingovertoRogberi?
16A.Well,Iwasthecommander.Icrossed.Icrossedand
17capturedtherefromtheenemies'hand.IandJuniorLion
18commander,butitwasIwhocrossedwithmyowntroop.We
19capturedthebase,RogberiTown,whichiscalledWestSide.
20Q.Didthecivilianscrosswithyou?
21A.Well,yes,theycrossedwithus.
22Q.AndwhenyougottoRogberi,doyourecallthedateyougot
23there?
24A.Icannotrecallthedate.ButIcanrecalltheyear.
25Q.AndwhileyouwereatRogberi,didanythinghappen?
26A.Yes,sir.
28A.Well,Rogberi,wemetforceofarmedmen,ECOMOGandthe
29GbethisandKamajors,theywereatRogberi,so,Imovedthemfrom
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1Rogberi.Fromthere,JuniorLion,hewasthecommander.Sohe
2saidweshouldblockRogberi.HecalledthetownWestSide.
3Q.Howdidyoumovetheenemyforce?
4A.Throughfiringpower.Throughfiringpower.
5Q.Andafter,didyoueventuallysettleattheWestSide?
6A.Yes,sir.
7Q.SoatthetimeyouwereattheWestSide,whowasthe
8overallcommander?
9A.ItwasFATSesay.
10Q.Andwhowashissecondincommand?
11A.JuniorLion.JuniorJohnson,aliasJuniorLion.
12Q.AndafteryousettledattheWestSide,didanything
13happen?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Whathappened?
16A.Well,JuniorLionorganisedanoperationtowardsPortLoko
17becausehehadgotinformationthattheECOMOGtroopofPortLoko
18whichwereMaliansandGuineansandNigerians,supportedby
19GbethisandKamajors,werepreparingoperationtodislodgeusat
20WestSidebase.
21Q.DoyouknowhowJuniorLiongotthisinformation,thatthe
22Kamajors,GbethisandECOMOGswereabouttolaunchanoperation
23attheWestSide?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.Howdidhegetthisinformation?
26A.Hegottheinformationthroughthepatrolteamthathehad
27sentonfoodfinding,sotheycapturedthecivilianwhorevealed
28theinformation,whowasaGbethi.Hegavetheinformationto
29JuniorLionthattheywereonabrigadeoperationtodislodgethe
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1WestSidebase,tocaptureallofusaliveandbringustothe
2city.
3Q.AnddidJuniorLiondoanythingasaresultofthis
4information?
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.Whatdidhedo?
7A.Well,inmyownbattalion,I,MrWitness,myownbattalion,
8JuniorLioncalledforamusterparadeandwhenhecalledfora
9musterparadeheselectedthecommanderswhoweresupposedtogo
10ontheoffensiveattacktoPortLoko.
11Q.Whowerethecommandersthatweresupposedtogoonthe
12offensiveattacktoPortLoko?
13A.One,firstofall,hewasoneofthecommanders.Hewas
14theoperationcommanderandI,MrWitness,andBobbySherrif,
15alias,Cambodia.
16Q.DidyougoontheoffensiveattackatPortLoko,ortoPort
17Loko?
18A.Yes,sir,yes,sir.IwentontheoffensiveattackinPort
19Loko.
20Q.Doyourecallwhatthedate,whattimethistookplace,the
21datethiseventtookplace?
22A.Well,itwasaroundthe27thofApril,1999.
23Q.Andpleasedescribetheoffensiveattack.Whathappened?
24A.Well,whathappened,whathappenedduringtheattack,when
25weweregoingontheoffensive,wedeployedinoneparticular
26areaandobservedandsawatroopofenemiesbackedbyKamajors
27andECOMOG,wellarmedandfortified.
28Q.Wheredidyouobservetheenemies?
29A.AroundMaforkiChiefdom,aplacecalledManarrma.
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1Manarrma.Manarrma.Manarrma.ThatisaplaceinMaforki
2Chiefdom.Manarrma.Kontoba.
3JUDGESEBUTINDE:Iamsorrytointerrupttheevidence.Is
4thisperiodrelevanttotheindictment,April'99?
5MRDANIELS:YourHonours,Ibelievetheevidenceisthat
6theaccusedwereresponsibleforanattackinManarrmaandI
7believethatAprilisthecutoffdateforPortLoko,asperthe
8indictment.
9JUDGESEBUTINDE:Canyoucheckthatfact,becauseinmy
10indictmentit'sFebruary1999.
11MRDANIELS:IjustwiththeCourt'sindulgenceforone
12moment.
13MRHARDAWAY:Actually,YourHonour,asitrelatestoPort
14Loko,Count50itsaysbetweenFebruary'99andApril'99.
15JUDGESEBUTINDE:Thatsettlesit,MrDaniels.Proceed.
16MRDANIELS:Thankyou,verymuch,YourHonour.
17Q.MrWitness,soyoutoldthisCourtthatyousawI'm
18sorryaboutthat,yousaidyoulaunchedanoffensiveinthe
19MaforkiChiefdomatthetownofManarrma;isthatcorrect?
21Q.Whoinstructedyoutogoonthisoffensive?
22A.JuniorJohnson,alias,JuniorLion.
23Q.Andwhathappened?
24A.Well,wemetarmedmeninthevillage,theGbethis,the
25Kamajors,whoweresupportedbytheECOMOG,whowereattherear.
26Sowemetawoman,whowentwitharmsandammunition,withabag
27ofmoney.
28THEINTERPRETER:Theinterpreterissorry,thisareais
29notclearwiththerolethere.It'snotcleartothe
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1interpreter.
2MRDANIELS:
3Q.MrWitness,yousaidyoumetawomanwithabagofmoney.
4Pleasecarryonfromthere.
5A.Fromthere,wemetthiswomandistributingarmsand
6ammunitiontotheGbethisandKamajorsatManarrma,sothere
7JuniorLionsaid,"Now,lookatourenemies,nowweshouldlaunch
8anoffensiveattackbecausetheyaredistributingammunitionsand
9armsamongstthemselves."Sowelaunchedtheoffensiveattack.
10Weoverpoweredthem,sothewoman,shewascutoff.Whenshewas
11inthatsituation,JuniorLioncapturedher.Thatwasthetime
12sheproducedtheonebagofmoneyandgaveittoJuniorLion.
13ThenshetoldJuniorLion,"Commander,pleasedon'tkillme."
14JuniorLionthensaid,"Madam,look,we,arefightinganywherewe
15seearmsandammunitioninthehandsofpeople,thatpersonwill
16declarehimasanenemy.Now,youcamewitharmsandammunition,
17givethemtotheGbethisandKamajorsandwithmoney.Nowwe
18havecapturedyou,finally,youaregoingtoloseyourlife."
19JuniorLionsaidso.Fromthere,hepassedanordertome,
20MrWitness,toexecutethewomanandIgunnedherdown.From
21there,heorderedoneofhissecuritycalledAdaqua,hesaid
22Adaqua,shouldcapturetheotherwomanwhowaspregnant.Junior
23LionsaidAdaquashouldkillthewoman.Adaqua,tookastickand
24beatthewomanonherstomachuntilthewomandied.Fromthere,
25JuniorLionsaidwehad,weweresuccessfulandthatweshould
26advancetoPortLokoataplacecalledSchlenker.Fromthere,we
27movedfortheSchlenkersecondaryschoolinPortLoko.
28Q.MrWitness,howsoonaftertheexecutionofthewomanthat
29youjustdescribeddidyoumovetoSchlenkersecondaryschool?
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1A.Well,aftertheoperation,itwasjustaboutanhour,you
2know,andJuniorLionorderedthatweshouldmove.
3Q.AndwhereisSchlenkersecondaryschool?
4A.InPortLokotown.ThatiswheretheSchlenkersecondary
5schoolis.
6Q.AnddidyougettoSchlenkersecondaryschool?
7A.Yes,sir.
8Q.AnddidanythinghappenatSchlenkersecondaryschool?
9A.Yes,sir.Yes,sir.
10Q.Pleasetellus.
11A.Well,whathappenedatthisSchlenkersecondaryschool,we
12metatroop.Malians.Theywerebasedthere,atthesecondary
13school.Thatwastheirbrigadeheadquarters,soweusedabypass
14roadtacticallyandtheyhadheardaninformationandtheymade
15anambushandwebypassedtheambush,sowewentontheassault
16attheSchlenkersecondaryschoolandwecapturedtwoMaliansand
17wecapturedalltheammunitionsandweburntdownthetanksand
18thearmouredcars.Andwedislodgedthemfromthatarea.Andwe
19wentbackwherewecamefrom,tactically,withallthearmsand
20ammunitionsthatwecapturedfromtheMaliansandwecapturedtwo
21prisonerswhowereMalians.Sowebroughtthemtoourbasewhich
22wastheWestSide.TheWestSidebase.
23Q.Andafteryouarrived,havingcapturedthetwoMalian
24prisonersofwarattheWestSidebase,didanythinghappen?
25A.Well,itwasn'tintheitwasn'tattheWestSidebase
26thatwecapturedthem,itwasattheSchlenkersecondaryschool
27andwhenwecapturedthemfromthere,wewentwiththemtoour
28ownbase.
29Q.AndwhenyouwentbacktotheWestSide,wasthesecond
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1accusedpresent?
2A.No,sir,no,sir.No,sir.Ididn'tseehim.
3Q.Didyouevergettohearthatthesecondaccusedwas
4presentattheWestSide?
5A.No,sir.
6MRDANIELS:YourHonour,Ihavenofurtherquestionsfor
7thiswitness.
8PRESIDINGJUDGE:Yes.Thankyou,MrDaniels.Other
9Defencecounsel,doyouwishtocrossexamine?
10CROSSEXAMINEDBYMRMANLYSPAIN
11MRMANLYSPAIN:
12Q.MrWitness,goodafternoon.
13A.Goodafternoon,sir.Goodafternoon,sir.
14Q.MrWitness,yesterday,inthebeginningofyouratthe
15beginningofyourevidenceyousaidtotheCourtthatyouwere
16heretodefendthesecondaccused;amIright?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.Doesthatmeanthatyouareheretolieonhisbehalf?
19A.No,I'mheretosaythetruth.Whathadhappened.
20Q.Anddoesthatmeanthatyouhavecometotalkasawitness
21offactsthatyouknowabout?
22A.Yes,sir.I'mheretotalkaboutthefactsIknewwhileI
23wasinthefield,whatIsawasasoldierandwhatIdidmyself
24andIwasundercommand.
25Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.
26A.ThecommandofJuniorLion.
27Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwantyoutorecall
28yourevidenceyesterdayabouttheyear1997?
29A.Repeatsir.
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1Q.Iwantyoutorememberyourevidenceyesterdayaboutthe
2monthMay1997,atthetimeofthecoup?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.Onthedayofthecoup,didyougotoCockerill
5headquarters?
6A.Well,no,sir.
7Q.Thankyou,MrWitness?
8A.Thankyou,sir.MayGodblessyou.
9Q.Onthedayofthecoup,MrWitness,didyouseethethird
10accusedSantigieKanu?
11A.No,sir.
12Q.Ibelieveyousaidyouhadknownhimbefore;amIright?
13Thedayofthecoup?
14A.Well,Ididn'ttalkaboutaboutIdidn'ttalkabout
15thethirdaccusedyesterday.Ionlytalkedaboutthesecond
16accused,thatIknewhiminthearmy.
17Q.Soletmeaskyounow
18A.Ithankyou,sir.
19Q.beforethedayofthecoupdidyouknowthethird
20accused,SantigieKanu?
21A.No,sir.
22Q.Afterthecoup,didyouhearthathewasgivenany
23appointmentbytheAFRCgovernment?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.Whatappointmentwasthat?
26A.Asanhonourable.
27Q.Thankyouverymuch.MrWitness,atthetimeoftheECOMOG
28intervention,wherewereyou?
29A.Iwasatthewesternarea;theeastendcoastofthe
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1westernarea.
2Q.DoyourecallwhatpartofFreetownECOMOGintervenedfrom?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.Whatpartwasit?
5A.ThefirstareawheretheystartedwastheHillStationby
6Regent.Theyinfiltratedontotheschool.Fromthere,we
7pushedthemagaintoRegent.Fromthere,theyusedtheNewRoad,
8theWaterlooHighway,toCalabaTown,toFreetown.
9Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyousaidyou
10pushedthem,whomdidyoumean?
11A.TheECOMOGforces.Thoseweretheoneswepushed.We,the
12SLAs,wepushedthembytheHillStationtowardsRegent.That
13wasthefirstflanktheyused,beforetheyusedthenumbertwo
14flankbytheNewRoad,Waterloo,CalabaTowntowardsthecity.
16PRESIDINGJUDGE:MrManlySpain,canyouconfinethis
17witnesstoansweringyourquestions?Wedon'twantarepetition
18ofanyofthisevidence.
19MRMANLYSPAIN:Iwilltry,sir.
20Q.MrWitness,atthattimedidtheSLAhaveachiefof
21defencestaff?
22A.Yes,sir.
23Q.Anddoyouknowwhothatpersonwas?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.Whowashe?
26A.SOWilliams.ColonelSOWilliams.
27Q.DoyouknowwhethertheSLAhadachiefofarmystaffat
28thattime?
29A.Yes.Icametounderstandaboutthat.
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1Q.Canyourememberwhothispersonwas?
2A.Icannotrecall.Ihaveforgottenbecauseithastakena
3longtime.
4Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,onwhosedidyou
5fightagainsttheinterventionforceonanybody'sorder?
6A.Yes,sir.Yes,sir.
7Q.Onwhoseorderdidyoufight?
8A.ChairmanJohnnyPaulKoroma.
9Q.AtthattimewherewasChairmanJohnnyPaulKoroma?
10A.HewasatSpurRoad,neartheBritishHighCommission.The
11BritishHighCommission,bySpurRoad,ontherighthandside.
12Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,canyourecallhowlong
13duringthisperiodyouresistedECOMOG,duringthisperiodof
14intervention?
15A.Yes.Weresistedalittlebitbutlateron
16Q.No,no,please
17A.Okay.
18Q.Ijustwantthenumber,daysorhours?
19A.Yes,yes.
20Q.Doyouknowhowlong?
21A.Itwasaboutitwaswithinamonth.Twotothreeweeks.
22Q.Thankyou.MrWitness,atthetimeyouwereresisting
23ECOMOGdidyouhaveanyseniorofficersoftheSLAfightingwith
24you?
25A.Yes,sir.
26Q.Canyourecallwhotheywere?
27A.Yes,sir.
28Q.PleasetellthisCourt.
29A.Well,wehadSLAofficerslikeLieutenantEddie,Lieutenant
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1Akim,andwehadLieutenantT.
2Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwantyoutorecall
3theperiodthattheAFRCwasnowinpower;whentheywerein
4powerbeforetheintervention?
5A.Itwasin1997,whentheAFRCtookoverthegovernmentof
6theSLPP.
7Q.Thankyou.Duringthisperiod,doyourecallanyattacks
8onthecityofFreetown?
9A.Yes.
10Q.DoyouknowwhowereattackingFreetown?
11A.Well,itwastheECOMOGthatattackedFreetown.
12Q.Anddoyourecallanyparticularattack?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Doyourecallthedateofthatattack?
15A.Well,Icannotrecallthedate,sir.
16Q.DoyourecallthedateJune2,1997?The2ndofJune1997?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.DoyourecallwhetheranythinghappenedinFreetown,
19whethertherewasanyattackbyECOMOG?
20A.Yes,sir.
21Q.Doyourememberwherethisattacktookplace?
22A.Aberdeen.
23Q.Asaresultofthatattack,doyourecallwhetheranything
24happened?
27A.Well,throughtheattack,whichoccurredbetweentheSLA
28andECOMOGsoldiers,weovercametheSLtheECOMOGsoldiers
29andwecapturedupto350ECOMOGsoldiersasprisonersofwar.
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1Wemovedthemtothemilitaryheadquarters,atCockerill.
2Q.Thankyou,sir.Apartfromthecapture,doyourecallhow
3ECOMOGattackedatAberdeen?
4A.Yes,sir.
5Q.CanyoutelltheCourthow?
6A.Yes,sir.
8A.Well,theECOMOGtroops,theyweredeployedatAberdeen.
9Theydeployedattwoflanks;therightandtheleftflank.They
10foundarrowheadinformation,twoflanks.
11Q.Yes.
12A.So,whentheydeployed,thearrowheadinformationtwo
13flanked,theyopenedsuppressive
14PRESIDINGJUDGE:Justfortherecord,Ithinkthe
15interpretermeansarrowheadformation,notarrowhead
16information.
17MRMANLYSPAIN:Formation,yes.Thatisso.Itwas
18formation,notinformation.
19THEWITNESS:Twoflankformation.Twoflankformation.
20Itisamilitarylanguage;arrowheadformation.Twoflanks.
21Thisway.Twoflankedformation,formation.
22PRESIDINGJUDGE:MrWitness
23MRMANLYSPAIN:Letmeaskthequestion.
24PRESIDINGJUDGE:MrWitness,Iunderstoodyouperfectly.
25Iknowwhatanarrowheadformationis.
26THEWITNESS:Okay.
27PRESIDINGJUDGE:Iwascorrectingtheinterpreterwhenhe
28saidinformationinsteadofformation.Goahead,MrManlySpain.
29THEWITNESS:Okay.
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1MRMANLYSPAIN:Okay.
2Q.Myquestionisdirectedtoyou,whichIamdirected,ifI
3shouldguideyou,isthatafterthisattackdidanythinghappen
4tothetownofFreetown?
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.Whatwasit?
7A.Well,therewasseriousfiringinthecity.Serious
8firing.AndtheSLPPgovernmentwasoverthrown.Sotherewas
9seriousfiringandtheECOMOGsoldiersinthecitywerecaptured.
10Sothatwaswhathappened.
11Q.YousaidthattherewereattacksonFreetownbyECOMOG.Do
12youknowwhereECOMOGwasattackingfrom?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Wherewasthat?
15A.TheycamefromKossohTownandattackedatthehighway,
16CalabaTown,toWellington.Thatwas,thoseweretheareasthey
17attackedfrequently.
18Q.Doyouknowwithwhattheywereattacking?
19A.Theyattackedwithairraid,gunship,tanksandarmoured
20cars,includingfourbarrels,andanAAonebarrel,andrifles.
21Q.Doyouknowwhatwastheresultoftheseattacks?
22A.Yes.
23Q.Whatwastheresult?
24A.Theresultwascasualties.Casualtieswastheresult.
25Casualties.
26Q.Whosufferedthecasualties?
27A.Well,wesuffered,andthecivilianssufferedthemost.
28Thecivilianssufferedthemost.Morethanus,thesoldiers.
29Q.CanyourememberanyareainFreetownwherecivilians
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1sufferedthesecasualties?
2A.Yes,sir.
3Q.Wherewasthat?
4A.ThefirstareaisMabela.Mabela.
5Q.Icanspellthat.It'sMABELA.WhereisMabela,in
6Freetown?
7A.MabelaislocatedatthecentralpartofFreetown;the
8centralpartofFreetown.
9Q.Yes.Doyourememberhowmanypeoplediedthereasa
10resultofthisECOMOGattack?
11A.Well,yes,Iamunabletorecallthenumberofpeoplebut
12therewerecasualties;civiliansdiedalotthere.Alotof
13civiliansdiedbecausethebombthatwasdroppedtherewas120mm
14bomb.Soitexplodedandkilledalotofcivilians.
15Q.Thankyou.
16A.Andeverybodyinthiscountryknewaboutit.
17Q.Doyouknowwherethisgunwasfiredfrom,orbombwassent
18from?Didyousaygun,120mmgun?
20Q.Anddoyouknowwhereitwasfiredfrom?
21A.ItwasfromLungi,Lungi.FromLungi.Itwasfromthere
22theyfiredthemintothecity.Theywerenottheynevercared
23whetherwhosoevertheykilledsoforus,thesoldiers,wewere
24tactfultoconcealourselves.
25Q.Didyouknowatthetimewhethertherewasanyfighting
26forceatLungi?
27A.Yes.Therewasafightingforcein
28THEINTERPRETER:Theinterpreterissorry.The
29interpreterisgettingproblemfromtheattorney,whenthereis
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1anoverlapofthemicsso
2MRMANLYSPAIN:Sorry,YourHonour.
3PRESIDINGJUDGE:Well,Ithinkwewilltakealunchbreak
4anyway.Isthatgoingtodisruptthisparticular
5MRMANLYSPAIN:No,no.Iwillproceedfromthere.
6PRESIDINGJUDGE:Well,MrWitness,Iwillgiveyouthe
7usualwarning.Wearegoingtotakealunchbreaknow.Please
8don'tdiscussyourevidenceorthecasewithanybody.Wewill
9adjourntheCourtuntil2.15.
10[Luncheonrecesstakenat12.50p.m.]
11[AFRC06OCT06CMD]
12[Uponresumingat2.15p.m.]
13PRESIDINGJUDGE:Yes.Continue,MrManlySpain.
14MRMANLYSPAIN:Thankyou,YourHonour.
15Q.MrWitness,goodafternoon.MrWitness
16A.Yes,goodafternoon,sir.
17Q.MrWitness,youhavetoldusabouttheattackbyECOMOGon
18Mabela;didyoupersonallyseethecivilianswhodied?
19A.Yes,sir.
20Q.Andwheredidyouseethem?
21A.IsawtheminMabela,wherethebombexploded.
22Q.AnddoyouknowwhetheranypersonbelongingtotheSierra
23LeoneArmydiedinthatattack?
24A.No,sir.
25Q.Didanyofthemdiethere?
26A.No,sir.Itwasonlyciviliansthatdied.
27Q.MrWitness,canyourecallhowoftenECOMOGattacked
28Freetownduringthisperiod,fromLungi?
29A.Gooveritagain,sir.
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1Q.Doyouknow,ordoyourememberhowoftenECOMOGattacked
2FreetownfromLungi,duringthisperiodoftheAFRC?
3A.Yes.
4Q.Howoftenwasit?
5A.Well,itwaseverydayandnight.Theywerebombarding
6fromLungitothecity.AirraidandAlphaJets,theywerealso
7bombarding.Airraidandgroundtroopsandartilleriesalso.
8Q.Letuslookattheairraidsnow.Doyouknowhowoften
9theseairattackstookplace?
10A.Everydayduringthedayittookplace;rapidly.Theair
11raidpressuredthecity,throughbombardingthecity.
12Q.Doyourecallanythinghappeningasaresultofthesedaily
13airraids?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.PleasetelltheCourtwhatyouremember.
16A.Okay.Theairraidlaunchedbombs,inbetweenNewandOld
17RoadSaroula.Itkilledinnocentcivilians.
18Q.Didyouseeityourself?
19A.Yes,yes.Because,asforme,Iliketoprovecertain
20thingswithmynakedeyes.IwentoutthereandIsawitwithmy
21owneyes.
22Q.Anddoyouknowhowmanypeoplediedthere,thecivilians
23youtalkabout?
24A.Well,thecivilians,Iwillnotbeabletotellyouthe
25number,becauseitwasbothchildren,pregnantwomen,men.I
26wouldnotbeabletotellyouthenumberofthepeoplethathad
27casualties,orthatthejetbombarded.
28Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,doyourecallanyother
29particularairraid?Doyourecallanyotherparticularair
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1raid?
2A.Yes,sir.
3Q.Whichonedoyourecall?
4A.WaterQuay.WaterQuay.DownbytheSavageSquarearea,
5WaterQuay.
6Q.Yes.WhereisthatinFreetown?
7A.IntheeastpartofFreetown.
8MRMANLYSPAIN:Idon'tknow,YourHonours,WaterQuay,
9WATER.QUAY.
10Q.Doyouknowthatplacebyanyothername?
11A.DeepWaterQuay.DeepWaterQuay.
12Q.Doyouknowwhatworkisbeingdonethere?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Whatworkisbeingdonethere?
15A.AtWaterQuay,theshipsdockthere.Theynormallycome
16withcontainersforthecountry.
17Q.Sowhatdoyourememberhappeningthere?
18A.Well,whatIcanremember,aparticularday,becausemy
19houseisdownbythatside,IwasatSavageSquaredownbythe
20WaterQuaygate,IsawtheAlphaJet.AUkraineshipwasthere,
21thatcamewithfood,whichwasricefor,forthesufferingpeople
22togetherwithbulgar,sothejetsgottheinformationthatthe
23shiphaddocked.
24Q.[Overlappingspeakers]
25A.Theclusterbomb.
26PRESIDINGJUDGE:[Overlappingspeakers]gotinformation
27thattheshiphaddocked
28MRMANLYSPAIN:Thatiswhywestopped.
29PRESIDINGJUDGE:[Overlappingspeakers]justnoneofhis
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1embellishments.
2MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes,Itakethepoint.
3Q.Please,MrWitness,justgostraighttotheanswer.Ifyou
4canjustsay"yes,"okayor"no,"okay.Whenyouhaveto
5explain,justexplainthefactsanddon'ttellusabout
6informationandthingslikethat.SoyousaidyousawthisAlpha
7Jetdropwhat?
8A.Clusterbomb.
9Q.Onwhatdidtheydroptheclusterbomb?
10A.TheyweredroppedonthebuildingswhereattheWater
11Quay,wheretheyusedtokeepgoods.
12Q.Anddidyougothereyourselfatanytimeafterthat?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Whatdidyounotice?
15A.Isawthedestructionthatthejetsdid.
16Q.Destructionofwhat?
17A.Itbombardedthebuilding.Thebuildingcamedown.
18Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,doyourecallOctober
191997?
20A.Well,I'munabletorememberthatdate.
21Q.Thankyou.DoyourecallanyAlphaJetattackonthe
22militaryheadquartersatCockerillFreetown?
23A.Yes,sir.
24Q.DidyougotoCockerillonthatday?
25A.No,sir.
26Q.Doyouknowwhathappenedthere?
27A.Yes,sir.
28Q.PleasetelltheCourtwhatyouknow.
29A.Well,thenextday,Iwenttherebutthedaythatthething
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1happenedIwasafraidofthebombardment,Ididn'tgodownthere.
2Thenextday,Isawthejet,theAlphaJet,bytheadmin.The
3jetbombedtheadminandbroughtthebuildingdown.
4Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwanttomoveonnow
5totheperiodaftertheintervention.MrWitness,yousaidthat
6youwithdrewatMasiaka.Youmetmilitaryofficialsand
7civilians.
8A.Yes,sir.
9Q.Doyouknowwhotheseciviliansare,thecivilianswere?
10A.Yes,sir.
11Q.Whowerethey?
12A.Well,theywerethecivilianswhowerewillingtofollow
13us.
14Q.Didyouknowanyofthem?
15A.Yes,sir.
16Q.Didyouhaveanyrelationshipwithanyofthem?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.Whatrelationshipdidyouhave?
19A.Becausewewereallfirstclasscitizensofthecountryand
20weknowourselves,faciallyandnormallywedotalktoeachother
21onceinawhile.That'stherelationshipthatwehad.
22Q.Apartfromthatletmeputitdirecttoyou:Didyouhave
23anyfamilywithyouwhenyoupulledoutofFreetown?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.Withoutcallingnames,whomdidyouhavewithyou?Whowas
26yourfamily?
27A.Well,mybrother,withmysister,theywerewithme.
28Q.Thankyou.Doyouknowwhetheranyofthetroopsthatwere
29atMasiakahavebrothersandsisters,mothers,withthem,for
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1example?
2A.Gooveritagain,sir.
3Q.I'maskingyouwhetheranyotherofthetroopsyouwere
4withatMasiakahadtheirbrothers,theirmothers,theirsisters,
5etcetera,withthem?
6A.Yes,sir.
7Q.Aretheytheciviliansyouweretalkingabout?
8A.Yes,sir.
9Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,yousaidthatafter
10MasiakayoudecidedtogotoMakeniandyoumadeyourwayto
11Makeni;isthatso?
12A.Yes,sir.
13Q.AndyoualsosaidthatafterMakeniyouwentyoudecided
14togotoKabala?
15A.Yes,sir.
16Q.WhatmadeyoudecidetogotoKabala?
17A.BecauseofthepressureoftheECOMOGandtheairraid,
18theystartedadvancingtowardsMakeni.ThatwaswhyIwithdrew
19andIwenttoKabala.
20Q.Okay.AtMasiaka,youtoldthisCourtaboutabroadcast
21madebyJohnnyPaulKoromaontheinternationalradio;amI
22right?
23A.Yes,sir.Youarecorrect,sir.
24Q.Inthatbroadcast,didyouhearJohnnyPaulKoromadeclare
25anoperationcalledOperationPayYourself?
26A.No,sir.TheoperationthatIheardwasOperationPave
27YourWaytotheRear.NotOperationPayYourself,butOperation
28PaveYourWay.Pave.Pave.PaveYourWay.OperationPave
29YourselfWay,notOperationPayYourselfbutOperationPaveYour
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1Way.
2Q.Totherear?
3A.Totherear.
4Q.[Overlappingspeakers]MrWitness
5A.Yes,sir.
6Q.youdecidedtogotoMasiaka,Kabala.Iwanttoaskyou
7sinceyouleftFreetown,untilyougettoMasiaka,wereyouand
8yourforcesfightingwithanybody?
9A.No,no,wewererunningaway.
10Q.Andyousaidyoumetwithpressure.Pressurefromwhom?
11A.PressurefromtheECOMOGforceandtheairraid.
12Q.Sir,Iwantyoutotellmenow,bitbybit,whenyouwere
13crossingfromTombotoFogbodidyoufightwithECOMOG?
14A.No.Wewereontherun.Weavoidedenemyattack.We
15retreatedtacticallywithoutnofiring.Skilfully.
16Q.Uptowherewereyouinthismoderetreatingtacticallyand
17notfightinganybody?Wheredidyougettointhatsequel?
18A.Excuseme,repeatitagain,sir.
19Q.Yousaidyouwererunningaway.Youwereescaping
20tactically.Uptowheredidyougetwhenyouwereescaping
21tactically?
22A.Well,weretreatedtacticallytotheNorthernProvince,
23KoinaduguDistrict.
24Q.And,MrWitness,atthetimeyouwererecruiting[sic],
25whatwasthepositionwithregardtothesoldiers'armsand
26ammunition?
27A.Well,wedidn'thavearmsandammunition.Wehadlackof
28armsandammunition.Wehadonlyonearmedriflesortwoarms
29rifle.
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1Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyouwere
2retreatingyousaidyoudidnotfightwithECOMOG.Wereyou
3attackingcivilianpopulation?
4A.No,no,sir.
5Q.Wereyoukidnappingorabductingcivilianstogowithyou
6atthatstage?
7A.No,sir.No,sir.
8Q.WhenyouweremovingfromMakenitoKoinadugu,amIright
9thatyouwentfromMakenitoKoinadugu,Kabala,Koinadugu?
10A.Yes,sir,youarecorrect.
11Q.Howlongdidittakeyou?
12A.Well,fromKabalatoKoinadugu,wespentamonthbetween
13KabalaandKoinadugu.WewastedtimeatKabalaandafterthatwe
14wenttoKoinadugu,sowespentamonth.
15Q.Atthattime,whenyouarrivedatKoinadugu,beforeyou
16wenttoKabala,didthetroopsyouwerewith,didtheyhavea
17commander?
18A.Well,wecamefirstfromKabalabeforewewentto
19Koinadugu.KoinaduguisbeyondKabala.
20Q.Thankyou,YourHonour.I'maskingyouwhether,whenyou
21weremovingtoKoinadugu,firstofall,thetroopsyouwerewith,
22didyouhaveacommander?
23A.Yes,sir,Ihadacommander.
24Q.Whowasthatperson?
25A.FiveStarGeneralSAJMusa.
26Q.Doyouknow,MrWitness,whethertherewasany,orwhether
27therewereanyothergroupsmovingtowardsKabalawhichwerenot
28partofyouwiththeFiveStarGeneral?
29A.Yes,sir.
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1Q.Whichgroupswereyouawareof?
2A.IwasawareoftheRUFgroupandtheSTF.
3Q.Thankyou.MrWitness,whenyouweregoingnowtoKabala,
4didyoudoanyattackonanytownsonyourway,orvillageson
5yourway?
6A.No,sir.No,sir.
7Q.YouhavementionedtheSTF;whatdoesitstandfor,STF?
8A.SpecialTaskForce.SpecialTaskForce.
9Q.WeretheySLAsoldiers?
10A.No,sir.
11Q.Whowerethey?
12A.Well,theywereaspecialgroupfromLiberiawhocameand
13stayedatBrookfieldsHotel.
14Q.DoyouknowwhattheyweredoinginSierraLeone?
15A.Yes,sir.
16Q.Whatweretheydoing?
17A.Theyweresayingthattheyweresoldiers.
18Q.Yes;whatweretheydoing?
19A.Theyhadarms.
20Q.WhendidyoufirstcomeacrossSTFinSierraLeone,these
21Liberians?
22A.Well,thefirsttimethatImetthemwasthroughNPRCtime,
23whentheycamefromLiberia.WhentheycamewithColonelKoroma,
24whowastheSTFcommander,withGeneralBropleh.Thatwaswhere
25Icametoknowthattheywerethepeoplethatwerereferredtoas
26STF.
27Q.Thankyou.IthinkBroplehisBUPLEH[sic].Was
28GeneralBroplehaLiberian?
29A.Yes,sir.
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1Q.Anddoyouknowwhetherhewaswiththisgroupatthetime
2youwereretreatingtoKabala?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.YousaidthattheycameatthetimeoftheNPRC.Doyou
5knowwhethertheywerefightingalongsidetheSierraLeoneArmy
6againsttheRUF?
7A.Yes,sir.TheywereassistingtheSierraLeoneArmyto
8fightagainsttheRUF.
9Q.Andthey,Iputittoyou,wereadifferentgroupfromthe
10RUF?
11A.Yes,sir.
12Q.MrWitness,youmentioned
13JUDGESEBUTINDE:MrManlySpain,it'snotcleartome.Is
14theevidencethattheSTFwerefightingalongsidetheSLAduring
15theSLPPgovernmentoratthetimethewitnesscrossedtoKabala?
16MRMANLYSPAIN:No,hesaid
17JUDGESEBUTINDE:Whatperiod?
18MRMANLYSPAIN:theywerefightingsincethetimeof
19theAFRC,theNPRCandtheNPRCprecededtheSLPP.Well,Iwill
20putittohimtoclarify.
21Q.DoyouknowwhethertheSTFwerefightingletmeclear
22it.YouhavesaidtheywerefightingsincetheNPRCperiod,the
23STF;isthatso?
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.DoyouknowwhethertheycontinuedwiththeSierraLeone
26ArmyduringtheperiodoftheSLPPgovernment?
28Q.AndamIrighttosaythattheystayedwiththeSierra
29LeoneArmyaftertheoverthrowoftheSLPP?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Thankyou.Ihopeitclarifiesitnow,YourHonour.
3MrWitness,yousaidthatyouleftFreetownwithoneLieutenant
4AkimandoneLieutenantSavage.Atthetimeyouweregoingto
5KabalawheredoyouknowwhereLieutenantAkimwas?
6A.Yes,sir.
7Q.Wherewashe?
8A.Well,heleftusatKabalaandhewentwithJohnnyPaul
9Koroma,thechairmanofAFRC,toKonoandKailahun.
10Q.Thankyou.Afterthat,duringyourmovementtoFreetown,
11didyouseethisLieutenantAkimatanytime?
12A.No,sir.No,sir.
13Q.Okay.LetmeaskyounowaboutthisMrSavagewhoyou
14referredtoasMrDie?DidheretreatwithyoufromMakenito
15Kabala?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.Anddidhestaytherewithyou?
18A.No,sir.
19Q.Doyouknowwherehewentto?
20A.Yes,sir.
21Q.Wheredidhegoto?
22A.Hewasoneofthepeoplethatescortedthechairmanofthe
23AFRC,JohnnyPaulKoroma,toKono.
24Q.Afterthat,onyourmovementtoFreetown,didyousee
25Savage?
26A.No,sir.
27Q.MrWitness,youalsomentionedoneBobsonYapoSesay,who
28yousaidyouretreatedwithfromFreetown.DidyouseeBobson
29YapoSesaywhenyouwereretreatingfromMakenitoKabala?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.AndwhilstyouwereatKabala,didyouseehimthere?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.CanyoutellthisCourtwhereelseyousawhimduringthe
5periodofyouhavegivenevidenceabout?Theotherplaces
6thatyousawhim?
7A.Well,theotherplacesthatIsawhim,IsawhimatColonel
8EddieTown.Hewasworkingunderme.Hewasmy2IC.Iwashis
9commander.Hewaswithmeuntilthetimethatwecameto
10Freetownuntilreturn,sohewaswithme.Hewasmy2IC.Hehad
11beenworkingunderme.
12Q.I'mputtingittoyouthatisnottrue?
13A.Itistrue.
14Q.WehaveevidencebeforethisCourtthatthispersonwas
15workingundersomebodyelse,andnotyou?
16A.Well,thewholeSLAtroopknewthathewasunderme,and
17askanyothersoldier,thattheywouldtellyouthathewasunder
18me,BobsonYapoSesay.Hewasmy2IC.Askanyotherpersonor
19bringhimbeforeme.
20Q.DoyouknowanyonecalledPapa?
21A.Yes,sir.
22Q.Washewithyouatanytimeduringthismovement?
23A.Hewas,buthewasattherear.Hewasunderarrest.He
24wasnotwithme.Hewasattherear.
25Q.AreyoutellingthisCourtthatitisnottruethatBobson
26wasworkingunderthisPapa?
27A.AtthetimethathehadbeenworkingunderPapaitwas
28duringtheAFRCtime.Butwhenthecommandstructurecameto
29FiveStarGeneralhewasunderme.
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1Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwanttojumpabit
2becausethisjustcameupwithrespecttoBobson.Didyougoto
3anyplaceonyourwaytoFreetowncalledKarina?
4A.No,sir.No,sir.Ididnotgothere,sir.
5Q.DoyouknowwhetherthisBobsonwenttoKarinaonan
6attack?
7A.Well,Iwasnotwiththefirstbatch,Iwaswiththesecond
8batch.Theywerewiththefirstbatch.SoIdidnotknow
9whethertheypassedthroughthere.See,Iwaswiththesecond
10batchwhenFiveStarsentus.
11Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,also,doyouknowa
12placedoyouknowwhetheraplacecalledIwillcometoit
13later,theplacehasescapedmeGbinti.Doyouknowwhethera
14placecalledGbintiwasattackedbyyourtroops,onyourwayto
15Freetown?
16A.No.
17Q.No.Whatdoyoumeanby"no",youdidnotpassoryoudid
18notattack?
19A.Wedidnotattack.
20Q.WhatwouldyousayifsomebodyelsetoldthisCourtthat
21thethirdaccusedwasorderedandthethirdaccusedattackled
22someofyourtroopstoattackGbinti;isthattrue?Thatis,
23SantigieKanu?
24A.Nottomyknowledge.Ididnotknowaboutthat.
25Q.ButyouarecertainthatGbintiwasnotattacked?
26PRESIDINGJUDGE:No,byhim.Didn'thesayhistroopsdid
27notattack?Hedidn'tsayhewascertainGbintiwasnot
28attacked.
29MRMANLYSPAIN:Isaid"byyourtroopsonyourwayto
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1Freetown."Thatwasthequestion,sir.
2Q.Letmeputitagain.Doyouknowwhetherthetroopsyou
3werewith,theentiretroops,whetherGbintiwasattackedonyour
4waytoFreetown?
5A.Wedidnotevenpassthroughthere.Wedidnotattackthe
6place.
7Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whilstyouwereat
8EddieTown,doyourecallwhetheranyotherofficers,apartfrom
9thoseyouhavenamed,wenttoEddieTown?
10A.Repeatthat,sir.
11Q.AtthetimeyouwereatEddieTown,apartfromtheofficers
12youhavenamed
13THEINTERPRETER:YourHonour,wouldlearnedattorneywait
14forinterpretationbeforeheposeshisquestionstothewitness.
15MRMANLYSPAIN:Thankyou.Yes.CanIgoonnow?
16THEINTERPRETER:Yes.
17MRMANLYSPAIN:
18Q.WhilstyouwereatEddieTown,doyourecallwhetherany
19otherseniorofficers,apartfromthoseyou'venamed,wentto
20EddieTown?
21A.Yes.ExcepttheoverallFiveStarGeneral,hewastheone
22thatwenttoColonelEddieTown.Nootherofficerwentthere
23again.
24Q.Thankyou.Ibelieve,MrWitness,thatyoumentioned
25yesterdayaboutaColonelMani;amIright?
26A.Well,BrigadierMani,hedidnotcometo
27ColonelEddieTown.
28Q.Yes.Wheredidyouseehimatallwhilstyouwerein
29thenorth?
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1A.Well,IsawhimatKurubonla.ThereIlefthimwhenI
2movedwiththesecondbatch.
3Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyoulefthim,did
4hehavetroopswithhim?
5A.Well,IwaswithIwasunderthecommanderOFivewho
6wastheoperationcommander,soIwaswithhim.Ifoughtwith
7himunderOFive.
8Q.Ibelieveyoumisunderstoodmyquestion.Letmeputit
9again.Atthetimeyouwereleaving,BrigadierMani,didhehave
10troopswithhim?
11A.Yes,sir.
12Q.AnddoyouknowwhethertherewereanySierraLeoneArmy
13officersthatremainedwithhim?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Doyourecallanyoftheirnames?
16A.Yes,sir.
17Q.PleasetellthisCourtwhattheirnamesare?
18A.SOWilliamswaswithhim;LieutenantBallahwaswithhim;
19CaptainSerrywaswithhim;LieutenantTumaniwaswithhim.
20Q.Goslowly.IthinkTumaniisTUMANI.Yes,goon.
21A.LieutenantSaiduwaswithhim.Theyweretheofficerswho
22Iknew.
23Q.Thankyou.
24A.Whowerewithhim.
25Q.WhatIwanttoaskyounow:Doyouknowaboutbushranks,
26wordininvertedcommas,whatpeoplehavebeenreferringtoas
27bushranks,aspeoplewhohavebeengivenranksinthejungle
28duringthiswar;areyouawareofthat?
29A.Yes,sir.
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1Q.Theseofficersthatyouhavenamed,weretheytheranksyou
2gavetothem,youmentionedthattheyweretheybushranks?
3A.No,sir.Theyhadoriginalranksfromtheministry.
4Military.
5Q.Thatiswhatyoucallit;commissionedrank,fromthe
6military?
7JUDGESEBUTINDE:MrManlySpain,don'toverlapthe
8witness,please.Wedidn'thearwhatyouasked.
9MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes,YourHonour.I'msorry,Iapologise.
10Q.TheywerefullycommissionedofficersfromtheSierraLeone
11Army,werethey?
12A.Yes,sir.
13Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwanttoaskyouthe
14samequestionsabouttheofficersthatwerewithyouat
15Kurubonla,atColonelEddieTown.YoumentionedOFive.What
16washewasheacommissionedofficer?
17A.No,sir.Itwasbushrank,sir.
18Q.Whatwashisrankinthebush?
19A.Well,hewasalieutenantcolonel.
20Q.WhataboutEddie?
21A.Eddiewashewasamilitaryofficer.Thatwashis
22original
23THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,wouldthewitnessgoover
24thelastbitofhistestimony.
25MRMANLYSPAIN:
26Q.Pleasegooveritagain.
27A.CaptainEddie,hehadamilitaryrankfromthearmy,itwas
28notabushrank.Itwasasoldierrank,amilitaryrank.
29Q.Thankyou.AndwhataboutKing,whatwashisrank?
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1A.Kingwasacadetofficerinthearmy.Hewasalieutenant.
2Q.Thankyou.
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.Iwantyouto,ifyoucannow,tellmeiftherewereany
5officerswithyouatEddieTownwhohadbushranks?
6A.Yes,sir.
7Q.PleasetellthisCourt?
8A.JuniorLion,bushrank.
9Q.Yes.Whereyouarecallinghim,pleasetellustherank
10sidebyside;okay?
11A.Yes,sir.JuniorLionwasacolonel.
12Q.Yes,goonplease.
13A.OFive,alieutenantcolonel.Baskiwasamajor.Tito,
14SalifuMansaray,wasamajor.Arthurwasamajor.
15Q.WhataboutFodayBahMarah?
16A.FodayBahMarahwasamajor.
17Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,doyouknowhowthey
18gottheserankings?
19A.Yes,sir.
20Q.Howdidtheygettherankings?
21A.Well,therank,FiveStarGeneralgaveittothem,SAJ
22Musa.
23Q.Whataboutyouyourself,MrWitness?
24A.Well,IgotmyrankthroughFiveStarGeneralSAJMusa.
25Q.Andwhatwasyourrank?
26A.Iamamajor.
27Q.Thankyou,MrWitness
28JUDGESEBUTINDE:MrWitness,arewetoassumethatisa
29bushrank?It'salsoabushrank?
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1MRMANLYSPAIN:Iwillasktoclarify.
2Q.Wasyourrankabushrank?
3A.Yes,sir.It'sabushrank.
4Q.YousayyougotitthroughSAJMusa?
5A.Yes,sir.Yes,sir.
6Q.DuringyourmovementtoFreetown,doyouknowwhetherany
7otherpersongavepeoplerankinthebush?
8A.No,nobodydid.Nobodydid.UnlessFiveStarGeneral,he
9wastheonlypersonthatgaveoutranks.
10Q.Isitaliethatthethirdaccused,thefirstaccusedTamba
11Brima,gaverankstopeople?
12A.No,sir.
13Q.Isitalieorisittrue?
14A.It'salie,sir.It'salie.It'salie.
15Q.Doyourecallwhetherthethirdaccused,SantigieBorbor
16Kanu,wasreferredtoasabrigadier?
17A.ThroughFiveStarGeneral,atthattimethesemenwere
18underdetention,soFiveStarpromotedhimtobrigadier,but,
19whentheyhadthisproblem,theywerenot.Theycametoa
20standstill.
21Q.Thankyou.Now,sincethemovementtofromEddieTown,
22doyouknowwhetherthethirdaccusedtookpartinanyfighting?
23A.Thethirdaccused,hewasunderarrest.Hedidn'thaveany
24armswithhim.Hewaswithsecuritythatguidedhim.Hewasa
25coward.
26Q.Thankyou.Ibelieveyou`vesaidthat.Whatdoyoumean
27thathewasacoward?
28A.Thatman,evenifyougivehimachickentokill,hewill
29shout.Hehasneverbeentothefront.He'salwaysattherear.
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1Hedoesn`tliketoseeblood.Ifheseesbloodit'saproblem.
2That'swhyIsaidhewasacoward.Hewasacoward.
3Q.Overwhatperioddidyouassesshimtocometothat
4conclusion?Wasitduringyourtimeinthebushorevenbefore
5theAFRC?
6A.Well,throughouttheAFRChewasacowardman,untilwe
7wentintothebush.Hewasacowardman.
8Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,youmentionedthatSAJ
9MusacametoEddieTowninNovember1998?
10A.Yes,sir.Yes,sir.HecametoEddieTown.
11Q.IwanttoaskyouhowlongyouhadbeenatEddieTown
12beforeSAJMusaarrived?
13A.Well,IwasthereuptotwoorthreeweeksbeforeSAJMusa
14arrived.
15Q.Duringthosetwoweeksthatyouweretherebeforethe
16arrivalofSAJMusa,wasFATKoroma,FATSesay,inEddieTown?
17A.Yes,sir.Hewasacommander.Hewasthere.
18Q.Thankyou.IbelieveIforgottoaskyouwhetherhis
19rankingwasabushrankorwhetherhewasafullycommissioned
20officer?
21A.Hewasafullycommissionedofficerinthemilitaryforce.
22Hewasnotabushranking.
23Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,oftheseofficialsthat
24yougivenletmefirstaskyou:Wereanyoftheseofficials
25combatantofficers?
26A.Yes,sir.
27Q.BythatImanyofficerswhoactuallygotofight;amI
28right?
29A.No,no,no,no,sir.
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1Q.Whatdoyoumeanbycombatantofficers?
2A.Well,tomyunderstanding,Ithinkacombatantofficeris
3thepersonthatwearsacombatasanofficer.That'swhatImean
4byacombatantofficer,frommyownperspective,but,inanother
5way,acombatantisamanthatisinthefront,thatisa
6fighter,thatgoestothefront,butthesemen,theywereinthe
7rear.
8Q.YoumeantheofficersI'maskingfor.I'maskingyou,I
9wantyoutoclarifyforme.Inthearmy,intheSierraLeone
10Armyinparticular,youhaveofficerswhoarepurely
11administrativemenandyouhaveofficerswhodogotothewar;am
12Iright?Whogotothewarfront?
13A.Yes,sir.
14Q.Well,whatdoyoucall,ifyouknow,theofficerswhogoto
15thewarfront?WhenIsay"officers,"Imean,commissioned
16people?
17A.Well,thesemen,beforeSAJcame,theywereinthe
18administrationarea.TheywereintheHQheadquartersin
19ColonelEddieTown.Theywereintheadministrationarea.
20Q.Thankyou.
21A.Yes,sir.Thankyou,sir.
22Q.OnyourwaytoFreetown,howmanyoftheseofficers,these
23commissionedofficers,actuallytookpartinfighting?
24A.Well,thecommissionedofficerstheonlyonethatwasin
25front,likethemilitarypolice,whowasCaptainKing,diedin
26theend.
27Q.SowhatIwanttoaskyounow,MrWitness,whenyousaid
28afterSAJMusadiedatBenguema,FATKoroma,FATSesaybecamethe
29commander,whatdoyoumean?
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1A.WhatImean,wasthathewastheoverallcommander.He
2tookSAJMusa'splanbecausehewasthesecondincommand.When
3thefirstincommanddied,thesecondincommandjusthadtotake
4thefirstincommand,hisposition.
5Q.Isittellmewhatdidhedowhenhetookover?What
6didhedo?
7A.Well,hetoldusthatnowhewasthecommanderforthe
8movementandhewasworkingwithSAJMusa'splan,whathehad
9toldthemtodoearlier.Soweshouldtrytopursueandcometo
10thecity.
11Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.Whenthisoccurred,whenit
12occurredthathetookover,didtherestofthetroopstake
13commandfromhim?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.AndamIrighttosaythatwasthe
16caseuntilyouretreatedfromFreetownuntilwhatyoucall
17WestSide?
18A.Yes,sir.
19Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,duringthisperiod,
20fromyourretreatfromFreetown,toKoinadugutoFreetownand
21thenbacktoWestSide,didyouatanytimeseethethirdaccused
22commandingsoldiersunderhim?
23A.No,no,no,no.
24Q.Anddidanybodytellyouaboutthat?
25A.Nottomyownunderstanding,no.
26Q.DidanyonedoyouknowwhetherSAJMusaatColonel
27EddieTownappointedthethirdaccusedasfourthincommand?
28A.Yes,sir.
29Q.[Overlappingspeakers]asfourthincommandatEddieTown?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Whatwastheappointment?
3A.Thefourthincommand,whowasJuniorLion,wasgiventask
4forcecommander.Hewasmadeataskforcecommander.
5Q.Letmeaskyouagain.I'maskingyouaboutthethird
6accused,SantigieKanu?
7A.Okay.
8Q.AtEddieTown,washeappointedfourthincommand?
9A.No,sir.Hewasundersuppression.Hewasundertorture.
10Hedidn'thaveanyappointment.
11Q.WehaveevidenceinthisCourt,MrWitness,thatSAJMusa
12appointedthefirstaccused,TambaBrima,ashissecondin
13command,thesecondaccusedas,thatisIbrahimKamara,assecond
14incommandasthirdincommandandthefourth[sic]accused,
15SantigieKanu,asfourthincommand;isthattrue?
16A.No,it'snotthetruth.
17Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyoucameto
18Freetown,beforeyoupersonallywenttotheStateHouse,didyou
19goanywhereelseinFreetown?
20A.Yes.Iwasgoingrightaroundthecity,fromeasttowest.
21Fromeasttowest.Iwaspatrolling.
22Q.Didyou,MrWitness,atthattime,thatisthemorningand
23dayofJanuary6th,didyouseeanyofthetroopswithwhomyou
24cametoFreetownburninghouses?
25A.No,sir.Itwasnotinouragenda.Ourplanwastoattack
26ECOMOGpositions.
27Q.LetmetakeyoutotheareaaroundKissy,KabalaTown,
28Wellington.Didyouseeanyonedistributingmatchestothe
29civiliansthatwerewithyouandinstructingthemtogoandburn
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1houses?
2A.No,no.
3Q.Iwantyoutogiveusalittlebitofthemoodyouwerein
4whenyouwerecomingtoFreetown.Okay,MrWitness,atthetime
5whenyousaidyoudividedintotwogroups,wherewerethe
6civilianswhowerewiththeheadquarters?
7A.Gobyitagain,sir.
8Q.Atthattime,thetimewhenyousaidyoudividedyourselves
9intotwogroups,onewentbytheOldRoadandonewentbytheNew
10Road,whereweretheciviliansthatwerewiththeheadquarters
11group?
12A.Well,whenwewerecomingintothecity,weleftthe
13civiliansupontheLionMountain.Weweretryingtosecurethem
14becauseweknewthatwewereadvancingintoanarea,thecity
15area,thatwasbuiltup.Wedidn'twantanycivilianstodie
16throughthesearms,becauseassoldiers,wehavesignedfor
17lives,forcivilianlivesandpropertiesandourintention,that
18wewerecomingwith,wastoreinstatethenationalarmy.Sowe
19leftthecivilians,theonesthatwerewithus,behindinthe
20LionMountainandwecameintothecityandwelaunchedan
21offensiveattack.
22Q.Allright.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,isittrue
23thataftertheareathatyourefertoasSLPMB,youputthe
24civiliansinfrontofyoutomarchintoFreetown.
25A.No,sir,itwasn'tlikethat,sir.Thecivilianswereat
26theback.Thefightingforceswereinfront.
27Q.Doyouknowwhatisreferredtoashumanshield?
28A.Well,Ihavealittleunderstandingoverit.Idonothave
29averydeepunderstandinginthat.
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1Q.Whatdoyouunderstand?TelltheCourt.Letmenotputit
2toyou.
3A.Well,whatIunderstandisthatthatwewereusingthe
4civiliansinthefrontandwewerebehindandwepushedthemto
5theenemies.That'stheideathatIhaveandthatdoesn'tmean
6thatwedidthat.
7Q.Thankyou.Yousayyoudidnotdothat?
8PRESIDINGJUDGE:Ididn'thearyourquestion,whatwas
9yourquestion?
10MRMANLYSPAIN:
11Q.Myquestionnow:Areyousayingthatyoudidnotdothat?
12PRESIDINGJUDGE:Hisanswerwas,"notatall."
13THEWITNESS:No.
14MRMANLYSPAIN:
15Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyouwerecomingto
16Freetownonthe6thofJanuary,didyouseeanysoldiersaround
17Kissy,Wellingtonarea,puttingfiretohouses?
18A.No,Ineversawanysoldierburninghouses.
19Q.MrWitness,justashortwhileago,Ispokeaboutthemood
20youwereinwhenyouwerecomingtoFreetown.Atthetimeyou
21weredividedintotwogroupsandyouwerecomingtoFreetown,how
22didyoumarchintoFreetown?
23A.Itwasaroadwalkandwecamebyfoot.Usingthe
24footpath.WetookOldRoadandtheothertroopstookNewRoad.
25Q.Didyouhavetimetostopandgointothehousesofpeople?
26A.No.Uponsuchfiring,enemyfiring,ECOMOGfiringandwe
27alsoweredoingexchangeoffiring,wedidnothavethattime.
28WhenwewerefightingECOMOG,itisthemainroadthatweuse
29fromcornertocorner.Wenothavetimetogointothecivilian
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1houses.Wedidn'tthat'snotinourplanassoldiers.
3MRMANLYSPAIN:YourHonour,mayIaskforthesecond
4accusedtobeexcused?
5PRESIDINGJUDGE:Yes,MrKamaracanleavetheCourt.
6MRMANLYSPAIN:Thankyou.
7Q.MrWitness,IwanttoaskyouafewquestionsaboutUpgun.
8YouknowtheareacalledUpguninFreetown?
9A.Yes,sir.
10Q.IsthatareabythecemeteryknownasKissyRoadcemetery?
12Q.Atthetimeyouwerecoming,yousaidyouwerethere,
13JuniorLionwasthere.WhataboutBobby,washethere?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Andyousaidthatyoudividedintotwo.Onegroupwent
16aroundthecemetery,bypassedaroundthecemetery,andappeared
17ontheothersideofECOMOG;amIright?
18A.Yes,sir.Youareright,sir.
19Q.WhenyouappearedontheothersideofECOMOG,what
20happened?
21A.Wegavethemkeyoffensiveattackandwemovedthemfrom
22theground.
23Q.DoyouknowwhethertheECOMOGsoldierswentanywhere,
24thosewhowereatUpgun?
25A.Yes,sir.
26Q.Wheredidtheygoto?
27A.TheyranallthewaydowntoWaterQuay.
28Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,youtoldthisCourt
29thattheidea,orthereasonthatSAJMusacame,foryourcoming
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1toFreetown,wasforyoutoreinstatetheSLA?
2A.Yes,sir.ThatwasFiveStarGeneralSAJMusa'splan,to
3reinstatethenationalarmyagain.Thatwashismotive.
4Q.Thankyou.Doyouknowwhether,beforeyoucameto
5FreetownonyourwaytoFreetownI'mnottalkingabout
6Benguema,beforeBenguema,whetherSAJMusahadtoldthe
7authoritiesaboutthis,yourmovementtoreinstatetheSLA?
8A.Yes.SAJMusacalledthecommandersand2ICsandgave
9themtheideologyandbriefedthemaboutthereinstatementofthe
10nationalarmyinthecity.
11Q.Thankyou.ButIwanttomakeitclear.Apartfromyour
12ownpeople,whomhetold,doyouknowwhetherhespokewith
13othersaboutthat?
14A.Well,hewasageneral.Hetalkedall,hetalkedtoall
15theSLAs.Hegavethemthebriefingaboutreinstatingnational
16army.
17PRESIDINGJUDGE:Thatisnotwhatyouareasking,canyou
18pleaseinterrupthimandgethimtoansweryourquestion,please.
19MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes,letmeputit.Heprobablydoesn't
20understand,letmeputit.
21Q.DoyouknowthenameBishopBiguzzi?
22A.Yes.IheardthenamefromFiveStarGeneral,SAJMusa.
23Q.DoyouknowwhetherSAJMusa,duringyourmovementto
24Freetown,wasincommunicationwithBishopBiguzzi?
25A.Well,oneofthefather'smen,FatherMario,hewastheone
26thatmadeacontactbetweenSAJMusaandtheFather.
27Q.Anddoyouknowwherethiscontacttookplace?
28JUDGESEBUTINDE:Whatfatherarewetalkingabout?
29MRMANLYSPAIN:HesaidoneofBishopBiguzzi`smen,
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1FatherMario.MarioisMARIO.
2JUDGESEBUTINDE:I'mnotaskingaboutFatherMario,I'm
3saying,FatherMariocontactedSAJwiththeFather.WhatFather?
4MRMANLYSPAIN:It`sprobablyhisinterpretation.Hesaid
5oneofFatherBiguzzi'smen,FatherMario,madecontactwithSAJ
6Musa.
7Q.Ijustwanttoclarify;letmeclarifyforYourHonour.
8WhomadecontactwithSAJMusa?
9A.ItwasFatherMario.
10Q.AndwhowasFatherMariorepresenting?
11A.Well,FatherMario,hewascapturedfromKamalo.Hewas
12withECOMOGtroop.
13THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,YourHonours,wouldthe
14witnessgooverhistestimony.
15MRMANLYSPAIN:
16Q.Itoodidn'thearit
17PRESIDINGJUDGE:Theinterpreterdidn'tgetthequestion
18either.Ibegyourpardon,didnotgettheanswer.
19MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes.
20PRESIDINGJUDGE:HedidnotgettheanswerbutwhatI
21heardoftheansweritwasn'tananswertothequestionyou
22asked.
23MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes.
24Q.Isaid,whowasFatherMariorepresenting?
25A.Well,FatherMario,hewasnotonthemoveandhehadbeen
26tryingtogetFatherBiguzzibuttherewasnoway.
27Q.Allright.I'llmoveon.Yes.Ijustwantyouto
28wheredidyoumeetwithFatherMario?
29A.ItwasatKamalo.Kamalo.Kamalo,thereFiveStarmet
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1withhim,FiveStarGeneral.
2Q.KAMALO,isKamalo.Doyouknowwhathappenedto
3FatherMario?
4A.Yes,sir.
5Q.PleasetelltheCourt?
6A.Well,FatherMario,SAJMusa,hesentatroopstoputhim
7undercontrolatKamalo,forasatellitephone,becauseSAJMusa
8sentatroop,theywenttoKamalo,andtheysawFatherMario
9talkingtoECOMOGsoldierssoastosoastorecruit
10civilians.
11Q.AfterFatherMariowastakenbyyou,SAJMusa'stroops,
12whathappenedtohim?
13A.Well,SAJMusamovedwithhimtoColonelEddieTown.
14Q.WhendidyoulastseeFatherMario?
15A.IsawhimthedayofJanuary6th.Weallofuscame
16together.
17Q.Yes.DidhecomewithyourtroopsintoFreetown?
18A.AllofuscametoFreetown.
19Q.Washeacombatant?
20A.No.Hewasnotafighterbutwewegavehimarankin
21thebush,wegavehimcombat,soastocamouflagehisskinbuthe
22wasn'tafighter.
23Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,pleaseletusgoto
24Benguema;okay?
25A.Yes,sir.
26Q.AtBenguema,atthetimeSAJMusaactuallydied,werethere
27civiliansinBenguema?Letmeclarify.Sorry,YourHonour.I
28meanthecivilianswhohadbeencomingwithyoutoFreetown.
29A.Well,thecivilianswhowereinFreetown,becausewewere
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1withthefightingteam,theywereintheheadquartersat
2Waterloo.
3Q.Yes.I'maskingnowwhen
4A.Theywerenotwithus.Theywerenotwithus.
5Q.whenSAJMusadied,didcivilians,thesecivilians,did
6theygotoBenguemaBarracks?
7A.Yes,sir.
8Q.Thankyou.MrWitness,whenSAJMusadiedatBenguema,did
9youannounceittoallofthetroops?
10A.No,sir.
11Q.Why?
12A.Why?BecauseFiveStarGeneral,wedidnotwanteverybody
13toknowabouthisdeath,see,becauseduringtheoperationit
14wouldhaveflopped,ifwehaddoneso,sowekeptitto
15ourselves,we,thecommanders.
16Q.Thankyou.Didyouatanytimetellthepeopleinthe
17headquarters,orthepeoplewhowerenotaroundwhenhedied,did
18youatanytimetellthemabouthisdeath?
19A.Repeat,sir.
20Q.Yousaidyoudidnotinformpeoplebecausethatwould
21destabiliseyourthing,toputitinshort.Isaid,didyouat
22anytimetellotherswhowerenotthere?
23A.Well,itwasinFreetownhere,itwasinFreetownhere,60
24percentofthepeoplecametoknowthatSAJhaddied.
25Q.Whenyousaythepeople,youmeanthepeoplewhowerewith
26you?
27A.Yes.Thepeoplethatwerewithyouus.
28Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,yousaidoneyou
29saidthemotivethatSAJgaveyoutocometoFreetownwasto
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1reinstatethearmy.DoyouknowwhetherSAJMusa,atthattime,
2wasmarried?
3A.No,sir.
4Q.Youdon'tknowwhetherhewasmarried?
5A.No,sir.
6Q.Didyouknowwhetherhehadchildren?
7A.Yes.Iknew.Hetoldus.Hesaidthathischildren
8Q.Yes,goon.Hischildren?
9A.Hetoldusthathehadinformationthattheyhadarrested
10hischildwithhischild'smotherinGuinea,andthattheyhad
11beenbroughtatthemaximumprisonatPadembaRoad.GinaMusa
12andSAJMusa.GinaandSAJ.
13Q.Werethosethenamesofhischildren?
14A.Yes,sir.
15Q.Yousayandthechildren'smother.Doyouknowwhether
16didyouevercometofindoutwhethertheywereactuallyatthe
17maximumprisoninFreetown?
18A.Yes,sir.
19Q.Whendidyoucometoknowthat?
20A.I,thewitness,Iwasoneofthe
21THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,wouldthewitnessgoa
22littlebitslow.
23MRMANLYSPAIN:
24Q.Goslowly,goslowly,please.
25A.I,MrWitness,Iwasoneofthementhatenteredthe
26maximumprison,PadembaRoad.WhenIwenttothefemalesection,
27whereIwentandgotGinaMusaandSAJMusa,withtheirmother.
28JUDGESEBUTINDE:IsthisJuniorMusaorGinaMusa?
29MRMANLYSPAIN:Gina.GINA.
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1JUDGESEBUTINDE:Well,theinterpreterwasn'tsayingGina.
2MRMANLYSPAIN:It`sGina.
3THEINTERPRETER:Iamsorry,YourHonour,ifIdidn'tsay
4Gina.
5THEWITNESS:Gina.GinaMusa.
6MRMANLYSPAIN:
7Q.Didyouknowthenameofthechildren'smother?
8A.Yes,sir.
9Q.Whatwashername?
10A.TinaMusa.
11Q.Thankyouverymuch,MrWitness.MrWitness,whenyougot
12themfromyousaidthefemalesectionoftheprison?
14Q.Didyoutakethemanywhere?
15A.Yes,sir.
16Q.Wheredidyoutakethemto?
17A.ItookthemtotheG4.G4,attherear.PWD.OldRoad.
18Q.Afterthat,doyouknowwhathappenedtothem?
19A.Well,Ino,Ileftthemthere,andIwenttothefront.
20Ididnotknowwhathappenedwiththem.
21Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,youreferredtoone
22Terminator,apersoncalledTerminator?
23A.Yes,sir.
24Q.DoyouknowhisItakeitthatisanickname;amI
25right?
26A.Yes,sir.
27Q.Doyouknowhisactualname?
28A.Yes,sir.
29Q.Pleasetellus,telltheCourtwhatishisname?
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1A.LaminSidiki.LaminSidiki,aliasTerminator.
2Q.Thankyou.MrWitness,washeSLA?
3A.Yes,sir.
4Q.Andwasheanofficer,commissionedofficer?
5A.Well,hewasnotacommissionedofficer.Hewasajungle
6cadet.
7Q.No,yousaidit'sajunglerankhehas.AmIright?
8Junglerankthathehas?
9A.Yes.
10Q.Whatwashisrank?
11A.Colonel.Colonel.ColonelTerminator.Hehadtwo
12buttons.Hewasafullcolonel.
13Q.MrWitness,pleasenowletusconcentrateonyourretreat
14fromFreetown;okay?
16Q.Atthetimeyouwereretreating,doyourecallhowmany
17soldierswerewithyou,thatis,whenyouwereleavingFreetown,
18notwhenyouwereatFourMileetcetera?
19A.Well,atthattime,Ididnotknowthestrengthofthemen,
20thenumberofthemen,becausewewereontheway,retreating.
21Sowedidnotcallamusterparadetoknowthestrength,the
22manpower.
23JUDGEDOHERTY:MrManlySpain,wearetalkingabout1999
24now,arewe?
25MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes,YourHonour.
26Q.Howwereyouretreating?YourememberearlierIaskedyou
27whetheryouwerefightingwhenyouwereretreatingfromFreetown
28in1998,andyousaidno.Atthistime,howwereyouretreating?
29A.'98,'99,whenwewereretreatingweretreatedinbatches.
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1See,wewerethelastbatchthatleftthecity.Batchafter
2batch.Groupaftergroup.
3Q.Wereyoufightingwithanyonewhenyouweredoingthis
4retreat?
5A.Well,whenwewereretreating,ontheway,wewouldnot
6fightwithpeopleagainbecausethecombatantcampwere
7THEINTERPRETER:YourHonours,wouldthewitnessgoslow.
8MRMANLYSPAIN:
9Q.Slowly,slowly.Inbits,smallbatchandwewilltake
10slowly.
11JUDGEDOHERTY:And,MrWitness,youappeartobe
12presentinguswithatheorywhatyouwoulddo,butwewantto
13knowwhatyoudiddo.
14MRMANLYSPAIN:Okay,YourHonours.
15Q.Telluswhatyoudid?Howdidyougo?Yousaidthatyou
16wentinbatchesandyourgroupwasthelastbatch;amIright?
17A.Yes,sir.
18PRESIDINGJUDGE:Ithinkyouwentabitmoreparticular
19thanthat.Youaskedhimwashefightingontheretreat.
20MRMANLYSPAIN:Thatiswhy
21PRESIDINGJUDGE:Wedon'twanttoknoweverythinghedid.
22MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes.
23PRESIDINGJUDGE:Ifyouarejustaskinghimwashe
24fighting.
25MRMANLYSPAIN:Yes.
26Q.WhenyouwereretreatingwereyoufightingwithECOMOG?
27LikeECOMOGwasattackingandyouwererepellingthemandatthe
28sametimeyouweregoingback?Wasthatthesituation?
29A.Well,whenwewereretreating,weretreatedtacticallyto
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1CalabaTown.Thereweheardanarmouredcar,atourrear,when
2wewereretreating.Therewasanarmouredcarandatankfullof
3ECOMOGandKamajors.Afterthatwesawanothertroopfromthe
4hills,theLionMountains,see,whereweweretouse,sothey
5surroundedus,sotherewasnowayforustoescape,sowe
6concentratedononeside,sowebulldozedthearea.Serious
7enemyfiring.See,therewasbombardment.Theybombardedus.
8JUDGESEBUTINDE:You'vesaidsomanythingsbutyou
9haven'tansweredthequestion.Didyourtroopsfireatthe
10ECOMOG?
11MRMANLYSPAIN:No,didtheyfight.
12JUDGESEBUTINDE:FightwiththeECOMOG.Yourtroops.You
13aretellingushowtheECOMOGfiredatyou.
14THEWITNESS:Yes,yes.
15MRMANLYSPAIN:Hesaidthattheyhadnoalternativebut
16tofightandbulldozetheirwaythrough.I'msorry.Okay,thank
17you,MrWitness.
18Q.MrWitness,whenyouareexplaining,doitbitbybit,
19short,short;okay?ThentheCourtwillunderstandyoubutif
20yougoonlong
21A.Yes.
22Q.wecannotunderstandwhatyouaresaying,soshort
23short.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness
24A.Yes,sir.
25Q.youwenttoBenguemaatonetime;okay?Onyour
26retreat?
27A.Yes,sir.
28Q.Doyouknowwhetherthedidyouseethethirdaccused
29there?
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1A.No,sir.No,sir.
2Q.Thankyou.DidyoustopatWaterlooonyourretreatfor
3anyjustonehour,fourhours,twodays,anyperiodoftime,
4didyou?
5A.Well,westoppedatBenguemaandWaterloo.
6Q.WhilstyouwereatWaterloo,didyouseethethirdaccused?
7A.No,sir,no,sir.
8Q.MrWitness,youhavetoldusinyourevidenceinchief
9aboutweapons.Younamedallsortsofweapons;rifles;
10artillery;BMG;SAR;LMG;HMG;bazooka;mortars;canons;bombs;
11everything.MrWitness,haveyouevercomeacrosswithacane
12thatfiresbombs,inyourexperienceasasoldier?Orawalking
13stickthatfiresbombs;haveyoucomeacrossthat?
14A.No,no.No,sir.
15Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,afterLumpa,onyour
16wayback,yousaidyouhadablockingforceatSumbuya;amI
17right?
18A.Yes,sir.Youarecorrect,sir.
19Q.Whowereyoublocking?
20A.WehadbeenblockingECOMOG,theECOMOGforce.
21Q.Wereyouactuallyfightingwiththem?
22A.Seriously,yes,sir.Seriously.
23Q.DoyouknowthenameofanyvillagethatisnearSumbuya?
24A.Icannotrecall.
25Q.Doyouhaveyouevercomeacrossanyvillageinthat
26areacalledMonorma,MONORMA?
27A.No,sir,no,sir.
28Q.DoyouknowhowmanysoldierswerewithyouatSumbuyawhen
29youwereblockingtheECOMOG?
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1A.Yes,sir.
2Q.Howmanywerewithyou?
3A.Iwaswithupto264manpower,atSumbuya,asablocking
4force.
5Q.DoyouknowwhetherthethirdaccusedSantigieKanuwasone
6ofthem?
7A.No.No,sir.
8Q.MrWitness,IwantyoutodescribeSumbuyafortheCourt.
9Whatisthatplacelike?
10A.Well,Sumbuya,SumbuyaTown,youhadECOMOGbrigadeat
11Sumbuya.Sumbuya,theECOMOGwerebasedthispart.Hereis
12SumbuyaTownandyouhadtheRDF,RapidDeploymentForce.There
13theyhadtheirdeployment,ECOMOG.TheywrotethereRDF.
14Q.Slowly,slowly.Justbeputtingthequestion.Doyouhave
15abarracksthereorasemibarrackswheretheSierraLeoneArmy
16RDFforceusedtobestationed?
17A.Yes,sir.
18Q.Isitatthatplacethatyouhavethevillageknownas
19Sumbuya,thesameplacewherethebarracksis?
21Q.YousaidthevillageisontherightandtheSTF,RUF
22barracksisontheleft;isthatright?
23A.Yes,sir.Youarecorrect.
24Q.OnyourwaygoingfromFreetown?
25A.Yes,whenyouaregoing,ontherighthandyouhadthe
26village.Ontheleft,youhadthesemibarracks.
27Q.Thankyouverymuch.MrWitness,whilstyouwerethere
28doingthisblocking,wasthethirdaccusedthere?
29A.No,sir.No,sir.Ididnotseehimwithmynakedeyes.
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1Q.Whilstyouwerethere,didyoustayinhouses,yourtroops?
2A.No.Iwasinthesemibarracks.
3Q.Doyouknowwhetheryourtroopswenttoliveinhousesin
4thevillage?Oranyofthem?
5A.No.
6Q.Didtheyallliveinthebarracks?
7A.No.60personswereinthebarracks.40personswerein
8thejungle.Theydeployedrightaroundthejungle.
9Q.Thankyou.Wehaveevidencethatthethirdaccusedrapeda
10ladyinthehouseinSumbuya;isthattrue?
11A.It'sait`sabiglie.It'sabiglie.
12Q.MrWitness,onyourwayafterSumbuya,whenyougotto
13Mamamah,doyouknowMamamah?
14A.Yes,IknowMamamah.
15Q.DidyoumeetMamamah,beforeyougotoMile38andMasiaka,
16whenyouareleavingFreetown?
17A.Yes.AfterMamamahyouhaveMile38.Afterthatyouhave
18Masiaka.ButwebypassedMamamahbecauseECOMOGforceswere
19deployedtherewiththeGbethis.
20Q.Inthis,yourbypass,MrWitness,didyouencountera
21battlewithKamajors?
22A.Well,no.
23Q.Didyouhear,everhearthatsomeofyourtroopsfought
24withKamajorsinthatarea,andafterthebattleoneofthe
25Kamajorswascooked?
26A.No,thatdidnottakeplace.
27Q.DidyoueverhearthatthisKamajorthathadbeencooked
28wasgiventocivilianstoeat?
29A.It`sabiglie.It'sabiglie.It'sanallegation.
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1Q.Doyouknowwhetherokay,yousaidyoubypassedMamamah.
2Thankyou.MrWitness,IwantyoutotellthisCourtwhenyou
3wereonthisyourmarch,toFreetown,didyoueatatall?
4A.Repeat.Whatdidweeat?
5Q.Food.Food.Didyoueattosustainyourself?
6A.Yes.
7Q.Didyouatanytimeeatpeople,humanbeings?
8A.No,no,no,no.No,no,no,no.No,no,no,no.
9Q.Letmeaskyouforthat.Didyou,MrWitness,cookyour
10foodwhenyouwantedtoeat?
11A.Well,itdependedonthetypeofattack.Whentherewasno
12attackwewouldsendourboystogoinfoodfinding,onfood
13finding.Theywouldcomeandtheywouldpreparethefoodandwe
14ate.Iwouldinthejunglewelivedonbushfoodandforthe
15jet,ifitsawsmoke,itwouldbombard.Ifitsawanymovement
16itwouldbombard,soweusednottocook,sowelivedbythe
17junglefood.
18Q.Whenyoucook,atthetimesyoucook,didyouputthefood
19anywherebeforeyoueatthem,thefood?
20A.Well,yes,wewouldputitonatray.Wewouldputitona
21trayandweate.
22Q.Bythatyoumeanyouateingroups,four,five,tenpeople
23ononetray?
24A.Yes.Likeme,asacommander,Iatewithmy2IC,Bobson
25YapoSesay.Iatewithhim.Theotherswouldeatingroups.
26Q.Howaboutthecivilians;howdidtheyeat?
27A.Well,theyateinfours.Theyateinfours,four,five,in
28groups.
29Q.Didyougivefoodtociviliansindividually,oneman,one
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1plate,oneman,onebowl,thingslikethat?
2A.No.Itusedtobeingroupsoffour,five.Theywouldsit
3downandeat.Becauseifyouhadsomebodythatwasgoodwho
4wouldgiveyoufood,thenyouwouldcookonyourown.
5Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,Iwanttoaskyou
6somethingpersonally.Doyouhaveanyrelationshipwiththewife
7ofthesecondaccused?Thewiththesisterofthesecond
8accused?
9A.No.
10MRMANLYSPAIN:I'msorry,YourHonour,I'mjust
11conferring.
12[Counselconferred]
13Q.Doyouknowthatthesecondaccusedhassisters?
14A.Yes,Iknowthathehassisters.
15Q.Doyouhaveanyrelationshipwithoneofthem?
16A.No.No.
17Q.Thankyou.MrWitness,Iwanttogonowtoyourgoingback
18togoingtoWestSide.AtthetimeyouweregoingtoWest
19Side,tofindWestSide,yousaythatyouledyouwerethe
20firstpersontogoovertheriver.Okay?AmIright?
21A.Yes,sir.Youareright,sir.
22Q.WherewasFATSesay?
23A.FATSesay,allofusweretogether.
24Q.Thankyou.AndwherewasOFive?
25A.OFivewenttoMakeni.
26Q.WhataboutEddie?
27A.Eddie,hediedbyECOMOG,throughexchangeoffiring.
28Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.Apartfromthesetwo,threepeople
29thatI'maskingabout,whataboutAlabama?
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1A.Well,Alabama,hewenttoMakeni.
2Q.Thankyou,MrWitness.MrWitness,aftertheentire
3episodeaftertheceasefire,whentheceasefirecame,didyou
4gothroughDDR?
5A.Well,I,asasoldier,IdidnotgothroughDDR.
6Q.Didyougobacktothearmy?
7A.Yes,sir.
8MRMANLYSPAIN:Thankyou,MrWitness.YourHonour,I
9haveabout15,20minutesmoretogo.
10PRESIDINGJUDGE:Wewilladjournfortheday.MrWitness,
11wearegoingtoadjournuntilMonday.Youwillhavetocomeback
12Mondaymorning.Iwillremindyouoncemore,youareforbidden
13totalkaboutyourevidence,orthiscaseinthemeantime,with
14anybody;isthatclear?
15THEWITNESS:Yes,sir.It'scleartome,sir.Thankyou,
16sir.
17PRESIDINGJUDGE:Thankyou.
18THEWITNESS:Thankyou.
19PRESIDINGJUDGE:WewilladjournuntilMondaymorningat
209.15.
21[Whereuponthehearingadjournedat4.00p.m.,
22tobereconvenedonMonday,the9thdayof
23October2006,at9.15a.m.]
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