He’s got the goods to expose the truth about the Massacre at Waco, bitt the FBI is not about to let Gordon Nowe tring down their empire. “When all this evidence is put in front of people like Newt Gingrich, and he just refutes it and shoves it under the table, you have to wonder what is going on. Are they behind the agenda for a “new world order’, ic. world government? ‘You can bet on it!” ( ZI0/TooR DW: In the last interview, you mentioned ‘that Colby made-a peculiar statement about the Waoo massacre: The reason that tho Clinton administration allowed the Branch Davidiens to be taken out was to prove to the Bosnians that the Clinton administration ‘would reson to any measure to stop anyone ‘opposing their wil. Gorton: That's correct. DW: You also stated that you've never been an employee of the CIA. Gordon: That's correct; I've never worked for the CIA. I've worked with some of their directors and deputy directors on other projects when they were away from the agency. {have grest admiration forthe leadership of that agency, particularly the old hands. | don't know many of the new guys, but | know that many of the old hands feel that there has been an attempt [at infitration}, since the days of Willam Webster coming ‘over, Gan you imagine putting a judge in charge of the CIA? Webster brought a lot of fis people along with him from FBI, people whose loyalties were first and foremost to “The Bureau’, meaning that he put seles from the Bureau into the CIA. Webster has advocated the integration of | the responsibltes ofthe ATF and utimately the CIA, into the FBI; the purpose being to set Lup a world police state. ‘The FBI under Freeh has Opened up offices all over the world, which have been Usurping the turf historically belonging tothe CIA from its inception —partioulaty things like foreign arms trade, terrorism, counter teerorism, and economies. They're using thelr authority in law enforcement to: co-opt the cooperation of former: inteligence agencies that have now taken up law enforcement, as a result of the reduzed threat of the Soviet Union. There is a tremendous amount of criminality coming out of the Soviet Union, particularly from an organization called “Star, which is in effect the Soviet Mafia. Is been around for a long time, and has boon historically populated by Gommurists to operate the black markets within the Soviet Union. The black markets. have always been essential to the survival of the ‘Soviet Union, even at the peak of totalitarian dictatorship. ‘There has been a lot of encroachment upon CIA turt, The latest, rather visible example was the Dhahran Bombing, where seventy agents were immedistely dispatched to Saudi Arabia to investigate the bombing. The FBI has nether the juristiction nor the authorty —and hey certainly don't have better equipment of forensic capabilities than the Defense Inteligonce Agency or the CUA, the agencies normally concerned with that type of incident. Ya 0z?z0 SIOZ LOA pba They ate tod that th ization which ex-CiA_ Director lam Colby reterred to as “The Ordor ‘of One"? Gordon: Al | know is that it's an extremely» professional, compartmentalized group. evolved Into an association in fact, as Ramsey Clark has often mentioned to | me, and which we have fled into the | | terrorist is in jall in Paris. So who | funding these organizations? do anything they want | Who are the tororist organizations | today? The Abu Nidal organization is | effectively datanct and out of business | bseause t has fo sponsors; the same | gees for others out there. Carls the | Who is ‘oppiesad to the United States today? Nobody. did @ show for PBS’ back in 11998, where a number of very prominent FBI agents, some GIA people, myselt, Vice President Mondale, and a number of ‘old rotired Mafia figures all accused Hoover of being in bed with the Malia. ‘The question ts, why was Hoover |n bed with the mafia? What would he gain fromm It other than having @ few horse races fixed? As | understand from talking te “Colby believed that the FEBE had become the elitist’s arm of the government, that they had the Senate and the House scared to death ...” | Waco case. it is the optmum } Intetigence network. The militias were created to be | destroyed. For the listeners our there | ‘who are mits members, you shout pay | attention to what im golng to say. | Most, of them don't even know the | otters who aren the [Order of One}, and they're not ever certain exactly who the leader is. ‘All they know is that people | higher than. them have: chosen them, basedhupon theit fascist beliefs, to come ‘up in. thelr careers within the ‘goverament, going te high levels very ‘quickly, if they. will cooperate in these ‘various plans within this old boy rietwork. ‘They're generally given just a lite piece cf an operation, so compartmentalized that they don't even know what they/re participating in or why. The “wet work” is ‘mostly handled by Navy Seals, Marines and other folks who get ther jlles from ‘ating people ‘We are secing a lot of bombings going ‘on, which they are calling “terrorism” wile pretending 10 be “counterterroists’. However, they are | actually the terrorists, and they are advocating terrorism as a policy to | effectively control the poloy of the State | Department and other government | agencies by usurping the roam of | Ccounter-terrorism from the CIA. CIA! looked at terrorism rather rationally; Le. ‘Abu Nidalis a roal terrorist. You have to ask yours in today’s | world, who funds these terroriste? Let's | ‘assume that an Iranian group wants to | ‘put abomb aboard a TWALfight. The big uestion is, why would they do that joday? The truth is’ that the United States government today has such ‘complete hegemony over the United [Nations that they could cut off their oll or z10/2008 | terorism, and how auleky are we losing | business, and the funds from these: are | terrorist to put a bomb together. What it | Seam Towa eae people ve | some of the propaganda about America | organizations before, in World War 1. ‘So then who is paying for all this ‘ur fresdoms to i? Historically, ‘countiles lose thelr freedoms. when ‘governments oldim that they need to Pass laws in-ordor to protect the people Against so-called iS. ‘In my opitioh, if you really want to | know who the terorsts are, then you ony have to look inwaid, because ts not ‘external to the government today, not to ay great degree that 'm aware of. They | keep hyping the Muslim thing, but | they’ sisting rhopt ofthat. ve always | ‘wortdered vty the government cit tell Us who funded the New York bombing. Follow the iionay tall and you'l find who put up the money. DW: Who did Bil Coby believe was patting up the money forthe Order of One? Gordon: He’believed it was coming out ‘of black funds that were being siphoned ‘out of the proprietaris that were created back in the ‘60s and ‘60s, particulary during the Vietnam Wear. These private compaities were created by the government to go into the import/export sivaliable, It doesa’t take a lot of money for a does take Is good ‘logistics and good ‘organization, if you're not going to get apparently set up to get caught. You can find crazies who don't like the United States because they've bought off on being “the Great Satan”. | don't believe ‘the money is coming “anywhere other ‘than the United States. And stil the , who Is funding i? had these types of | uy Ike Colby, who was part ‘of*he O.S.8, (Office of Strategic Services; ‘he forerunner to the CiA) in World Wer Il Hoover is belleved to have given the ‘Mata contracts on certain people. DW: On these tapes, Bill Colby said that | the liton administration chose to take ‘gut Waco to put fear into the hearts of the Bosnians. As a result of the Waco massacre, there came a cise in miias ‘ross the ‘county and a hatred towerds ‘the government. The government then ‘orchestrated the Oklahoma - City ‘bombing ahd this thing wth MeVeigh in ‘rder-to bring hatrod upon the mites. Gslby. also commented about Ruby FRidga, saying that the BATF and the FBI went ater the Weavers in order to serd a message to right-wing groups and religious groups. Gordon: "ve sent preliminary tapes and excerpts to David Hall at KPOC Television in Ponca City, Oklahoma, 2s proof of what I'm saying, in case anyone ‘wants to verity that I'm not kidding atout this stuff. David has been given an inside eek at what we have. I would ike to remein alive thro.gh this. Tam in somewhat of a kamikaze frame of mind with regard to the Bureay's destruction of my family over the last ‘twenty years, and they are well aware of it. In fact, 1 wrote Director Willam Sessions a letter in 1999, stating tha: he “Either return my family to me or Ii try to Gismantle the Bureau. Aiter studying the problem, I've realy become somewhat of an aboitionist toward the FB! and the ATR. think the Secret Service is a great organization as, well as U.S, Customs; they do a real Service. Our state and city law | enforcement agencies have more than enough capability to deal with the problems that the FBI (and probably the Ya [z:Z0 9102/31/20cn evarnteRAY "WS pokey for Colby believed that the FBI had become the eiltis's arm of the ‘government, that they had the Senate land the House stared to death, and'that itwas getting even worse tharin the time of Hoover with the blackrrating Colby and thers "within the government and the Mala have told me over the years that Hoover had a relationship with the Ma, and that’s why the Malia didn’t exist urti Hoover ied. Hoaver wouldn't allow the Maa to Jt wilog we? Pad nmeone 02 yu! ‘7 pogane a ypu nd ore PRESENT Sa IAN name zI0/coom “row directing DSRS WE MINE Of tHe-publlc. hac | | been created by the bootlegders back in | the 19208, as @ way to dlstibute the | | alco that doe Konnedy was bringing | from treland, aid Scotland into America | during the ptohibtion era. The mafia | | wes efeated primary ftom European | | Siotian and talan families. | oat pte, Seabee ae ctu, te | Washington Post and New York Times, you won't see anybody arrested for ‘eplonage during World War Il With th | exceptions of Julius Rosenberg, we don't have any great spy vids. There were. milions of people fighting out there, and you know that the Gorman and talians had families ving There in Armerica, Hoviever, we locked up | the Japs in prisoner of war camps; the Japanese Americans were treated | honbly. You have to ask yourself, where ‘word all the other spies? They had to be | there. The borders worer't totaly closed | down, and you could still get into || America by landing anywhere along the | vast coastal shores. ‘Wel, the information | recelved over the years. was that the Mafia was proteeted by the FBIfor years, on a big LOU, The 1.O.U. consisted of | Knowledge about the assassinations of all the spies; they didn’t get any trials. | ‘Their names wero simply delivered to the ‘Mob, the Mob went out and found them, ‘and.took them for a “ride” —they never ‘came back. That's why there weren't any ‘spy trials n or after WW Il. You have to ‘wonder about an organization that would | dothat. What I've learned about the FBI, particulary as related to my farily, is that ‘they wil do anything. don’t believe they have any compunctions about | commiting murder. They certainly think ‘they're the CIA, and they think they have the right to commit domestic murder. ‘And they can get away win nm —tne | and Ethel | Corigress:and: Senate “are-scared to death of them! Colby told me (and others have confirmed i) that the reason Orrin Hatch has been such a weak fish against this a8 chairmen of the Senate Judiciary Committee is because there's a pending for sealed indictment of him for his Involvement in the’ BCC! scandal and @ nuising home In Utah. Many of the members in the House and Senate are absolutely aware that there is a tremendous body of evidence being concealed, with the exception of thi information we've already fled inthe Wace Federal Court in our: little bipartisan effort at exposure. Hyou want the ovidence of hows. the Branch Davidians were murdered at Waco, all you have to do is go to Waco. 'WAC.O.”, within the government, stands for “War Against Church Organizations’ I's no accident thet Waco ‘was ‘chosen. The Branch Davidians were a pecfect “Jim Jones"-type of orgarization ‘that they could acouse of having suicidal tendencies and so forth. The Branch Davidians were doomed from the boginning; they didn't know what hit them. David Koresh supposedly had visions that they were going to be attacked by the government, Wel, the government fulited his prophecy. ‘We have never seen a fully automatic ‘weapon {which was the basis forthe raid on the Branch Davidians) produced from Waco that the FBI didn’t have a chance to altec There is a number of firearms sealed in plastic bags, that are being held by the Texas Rangers in Austin. The, NRA. made an offer to X-ray those ‘weapons, but nothing ever came of f ‘We believe that offer was madeto ensure that nobody got to X-ray those weapons. Very high-level officials within the NRA have Told us that the FBI end the “WWd g200 BIO ST ee