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Often you can find a transcript or a partial one for the weeks call at the following website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplelookingforthetruth Howard approves or disapproves all postings to this yahoo group. Send potential posting to Howard. Note: questions to Howard are now submitted to Howard, preferably typed, to Gemini Research rather than fielded on the call live. It would be desirable to send a couple of bucks for mailing, copying and printing costs. ********************* Extra legal help is available from the firm, Ketchum, Dewey, Cheatham and Howe. ******************************************************************* **************************************** A recording of each Howard Griswold Thursday conference call is available from Dezert Owl upon request for any sized donation. Go to the following link: www.TheRealPublicRadio.Net/Archives.html . For donations to desert, send them to Free America Radio Network, 121 Seaparc Circle, Suite B, Kingsland, Georgia 31548. Phone number: 912-882-2142. Cell: 304-629-7169. For reference: Jersey City v. Hague, 115 Atlantic Reporter 2nd, page 8 (A 2nd ) ********** Project for all: Howard needs information on how to write a complaint for breach of the trust. Hit the libraries! He would appreciate any research help. ***************************************************** Start ***************************************************** {01:22:48.513} [Howard] Its amazing how what were doing and what were uncoveringand when I say we, I dont mean me or Dave and I alone but hundreds of people around this country that are actually starting to look at the laws pay more attention to what the law says and to pay more attention to what the Constitution limits government to making its laws actually says. This is whats been lacking in these arguments over the years. Its people actually bothering to look into what the law says, look up the definition of words, find out what they really mean, and properly bring the arguments. Well, it sounds like you brought up three different cases related to mortgage foreclosures tonight where people have been actually looking up what the law says and doing a good job of putting a stop to these thieving bankers. But thats a side issue, thats not the most important.

Its important that people recognize and understand the limitations of governments and they dont. Most people in America think the government has authority and if the government and any of its little idiots tell you, you have to do something, you kowtow to them and give in and go do what they tell you that you have to do. If they tell you, you cant do something you kowtow to them and dont do what they tell you, you cant do. And as a matter of fact you can grow your own vegetables {Fukishima may be telling you that now unless you want to glow in the darkgreenhouses may be necessary against the fallout.}. This healthcare bill that Dave read a couple of different things about tonight that is nothing more than a death squad for the elderly is coming before the United States Supreme Court for a decision of some kind to be made on it and I want to show you the relationship of some of the things that have been going on to this particular kind of a law and what I think the Supreme Courts going to do. I doubt seriously that these moron lawyers have brought the right argument before the court in the healthcare bill. I seriously doubt it because lawyers are the problem. Weve talked about this many times. Dave read a couple of articles tonight that implied that lawyers are the problem so this is an awakening thats going on slowly but surely that no matter how much you think your lawyers a great guy hes scum and you better learn it no matter you are or what kind of a company you have or corporation you have, the lawyer that you have is scum. It is the problem whether it be a male or female. Lawyers cause these problems. Lawyers are maintaning these problems. Lawyers are keeping knowledge from the people. Lawyers are the ones that the Bible says, woe unto ye Pharisees and scribe because you will surely suffer death. Pharisees means lawyers. Scribes mean the cops who work for the lawyers, who bring all the stupid little cases to the lawyers so that they can make money. Theyre brain dead little morons because they are of a low-level of mind energy. They are not capable of surviving death as a spiritual entitythats what that means. They will suffer spiritual as well as physical death at the same time. They deserve it because they are the lowest level of mind energy scum that exist on the face of this in all countries, not just in America. Let me bring you up on a few things that are going on. In 2011 the United States Supreme Court ruled on a case called Bond v. United States. Mrs. BondI cant blame this lady one bit. As a matter of fact I wouldnt blame my wife is she did something like this and I would fight to protect her from being prosecuted for it because of my ignorance and my stupidity that caused the problem if I did something like this to my wife. But I didnt, I wouldnt but apparently her husband did. Mrs. Bond found out that her best girl friend in life was pregnant by her husband and I am sure that something like that would be terrible devastating to the mind of a married woman. And she retaliated by putting some acid type poisonous solution on the door knob or her old girlfriends car and her old girlfriends house. And when she touched the door knobs this acid got into her hands and caused some swelling and redness and soreness. It went away in a short period of time. It was reported to the state authorities. The state authorities sort thought it was funnydidnt seem too interested in doing anything about it. So the bright wonderful fabulous great United States government stepped in and said, this violates the terrorism laws, and they took her to court and they prosecuted her on terrorism laws because this kind of an act that harms another person is an act of terrorism according to their ridiculous little bull shit laws that the United States has put together. They beat her in court, naturally, becauseI think Dave just read something about 98.5% of prosecutions are won by the lawyers mainly because

the judges are on the side of the lawyers because theyre all lawyers and theyre all in there to do the same type of thing, control the people and steal from the people and thats 100% correct. Theres a lot of good information in things that Dave was reading again tonight. As it is so many nights the information thats coming out is far beyond what Gemini Investments and their group have researched and found. Its really opening up all over the place. Were just a little tiny cog in the wheels of trying to return some stability of decency to life and government but a tiny cogwere not big at all. And what little were doing is still going to be a tiny cog in those wheels. Were nothing fantastic. Were nothing great, were not special and I want people to understand that. Im going to tell you about something that weve done tonight and youre going to think its great and Im telling you its not great, its just a little piece of the puzzle and the picture. This case in front of the Supreme Court that was heard, oh, two or three weeks agoI forget just exactly whenin oral arguments of a bunch of moron attorneys in front of the court was all about whatever it was that they put in. I havent had time to check and fine out. Im not even sure you can find it yet anywhere as to exactly what the arguments were brought before the court about the Healthcare Bill. But I can bet you that they were not on point at all, but the reason I brought up this Bond case is because in 2011 around July the October term winding down around May and extending over because they had a lot to do into July the Supreme Court ruled that the United States government did not have jurisdiction within the states to bring their laws, their rules, their regulations within the territorial limits of the states and prosecute anybody for anything. And their decision sent the court case back to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia because this was a Pennsylvania originated case to make a determination according to their direction and what they said in their certiorari to that court which stated thatnow, listen to this because one of the e-mails Dave read tonight is about the President of the United States treaty powers to make treaties with municipalities, to do the things the United States government wants through the municipalities such as state, city, county, township governments. The Supreme Court said in that case that the court of appeals was to rule in accordance with the limited authority of the Presidents treaty powers under Article 2, Section 2I believe it wasand Congress limited powers to make laws that are necessary and properboy, necessary can be stretched way out of shapebut and proper limits necessary to very small amounts of authority. And the Supreme Court said, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18, Congress power to make all laws that are proper for the Government of the United Statesfor the governmentnot for America but only for the government limiting their authority to within whatever government has. Well, governments authority is limited by Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 which Ill briefly go over and say that without reading the whole thing because they didnt say District of Columbia in those days. They said the district not exceeding ten miles square because it hadnt been chosen at the time that the Constitution was written. But basically is says to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over the District of Columbia and such to exercise such like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards and other needful buildings. And thats the limit of the authority of the United States. They have no authority to create any kind of laws and enforce them anywhere except within the United States government and its limited jurisdiction. They cant come into the states and tell the states what to do. They cant come into the state territories and tell the people what they can do such as this

ridiculous death bill called the Healthcare Bill. Well, the Supreme Court already ruled using that statement. Im sure you rememberthat we were telling you about Mr. Donovans case. We got it into the Supreme Court on the 12th of April, 2012. We got a letter from the Supreme Court saying that the pro-se litigant named David H. Donovan was docketed for a hearing by the Supreme Court. Absolutely amazing that we got that far. Theyre going to hear his case. Its all about a ridiculous little claim that the United States government under their Clean Water Act has authority to come into the states and fine people who violate stupid things that it says in the act like putting fill dirt in the waters. He put fill dirt on his land not in the waters. There is a ditchalong side of his land theres a lot of ditches in the Delaware area that drain overflow. This is a ditch that runs down along a major highway and in front of his land and then turns and runs away from the highway quite a ways to a creek that runs into a river that eventually runs into the Delaware Bay 14.2 miles away and these moron government people who really think they have all this authority can scare the hell out of most people by telling them how much authority they got and threaten them and they threatened Mr. Donovan with a quarter of a million dollars in fines and he still told them to put it where the sun doesnt shine. He refused to ask for a permit. He refused to contract in any way with the United States government. He just told them to go away. Well, that was somewhere between 1987 and 1993. Because he wouldnt cooperate in 1993 they took him to court and the court played with this thing from 1993 until 2006 knowing that they really didnt have a case. Knowing that the court didnt even have the authority to make a judgment of any kind on this case. But finally in 2006 they threw their hands up and said, were going to let him take this to appeals if he can, so they made a judgment against him for putting fill dirt on three-quarters of an acre of land where he already got a permit from the State of Delaware to put a building up on the land. The State of Delaware didnt seem to object at all. It was the US government that objected to him putting fill dirt to grade it out and level it so it would be usable. It was uneven and he needed a little dirt in the low spots to grade it out so it would be smooth. He didnt put a lot of dirt in there. It wasnt like he brought in a mountain. He brought in a couple of truckloads and dumped it and spread it out with a front end loader and graded it nice and even, made it so it was usable. Well, in 1993 they filed suit and like I said they dragged this thing out all the way up to 2006. 2006 he appealed it to the United States Court of Appeals in Philadelphia for the 3rd circuit which is proper for Delaware cases. The 3rd circuit sat on this case from 2006 to 2009 before they did anything with it because they too saw that there was no real case here but they didnt want to make a decision and go against the money-making rackets of the United States government. And thats all the Clean Water Act is, is a money-making racket along with a whole lot of other ones like the Healthcare Bill and the Social Security Bill and all kinds of other things that they do. Well, in 2009 they decided to send it back to the US District Court in Delaware. They played with it until I think it was July of 2011 and they finally sent it back to the Court of Appeals who played with it until January the 5th, I think it was, of 2012. And finally they said, ok, were just going to agree with what the District Court said and let him appeal it to the Supreme Court. And then they laughed at him, you got a right to appeal this to the Supreme Court, ha, ha, ha, if you know enough to do it and can do it or find a lawyer, ha, ha, ha. Mr. Donovan put an awful lot of effort into this with some help from some of the Gemini research people and a few other people that we didnt even know that threw in a little bit of help. And he put it together and filed it in time at the last damned minute. It had to be filed by the 3rd of

April 2012 and he got it in on the 3rd of April. And it cost him a few dollars to get it done. I mean it wasnt cheap but it didnt cost him what it would have, at all what it would have, if hed hired a lawyer. He would have been talking about thousands and thousands of dollars, probably $100,000 for a lawyer to do this and he got it done for less than $25,000. And that was paying a company to do all the printing and to reorganize it on the computer according to the new rules of high tech computer bull crap that you have to do to fit the rules for how you petition the court. Got it in April 12. Got a letter from the court and I think Ive gone through this and talked about it before but Im telling you again. Got a letter from the Supreme Court stating that they docketed the case. Well, I wasnt too sure that meant that they were going to hear it so we looked up Supreme Court procedures. Now, Supreme Court rules are one thing, Supreme Court procedures tell you how they do things, not the rules how you got to do things. And according to the procedures when they docket it that means they have accepted it for hearing. I said, ah ha, great. Well, I called Dave Monday night. This was Thursday of this weekit was Monday of this week, a couple nights ago, to tell him that thats what I had found in the procedures and that we were on. By golly, Dave, we got theretheyre going to hear it. He said, well, you know what, this is very interesting. Did you know when they sent me this letter telling me that they had docketed it they also included in that letter an order to the United States government to file their responsive brief rebutting what our certiorari said by the 30th of April, 2012. I think it was the 30th of April. Well, we got a letter this past Monday which would have been, what, the 22nd, I guess, from the Solicitor General of the United States, United States Attorneys office, waiving their right to file a responsive brief. Now, a lot of people would say, well, what does that mean? Well, let me splain to you as old Ricky Ricardo would say. Some of you dont even know who Ricky Ricardo was but he was a comedian {I see Lucy Show}. He was Spanish and he spoke pretty good English but he made, as a comedian, he made a joke of his Spanish mix of his language and he would say, let me splain to you, instead of saying explain. He was just being cute. So, Im going to splain to you that if I was to file a suit against you and claim that you owe me $100,000 because youre an idiot. And I paid the filing fee and I put it in properly to the courts the way its supposed to be done and you got a copy of it served upon you and you said, this is stupid; this is ridiculous; Im not even going to pay attention to this, and you threw it in the trash. Because you didnt rebut what I said and prove that youre not an idiot and you didnt do any idiotic thing that caused me to suffer a damage of $100,000, then you have failed to respond and I will win by default and have a declaration that youre an idiot and because you are your idiocy caused me losses and you owe me $100,000 and I win. See how simple the courts work. This is procedure; this has nothing to do with the law because making a stupid claim like that is just like the United States government making a stupid claim that he violated the Clean Water Act which doesnt even apply in the territorial limits of the statesjust as stupid. Well, because they knew they had, as the old expression goes, they didnt have a leg to stand on. They did not file a response brief. They cant respond to what Dave said in his Writ of Certiorari and what he said was the same thing that the court said in the Bond case that the United States governments jurisdictional authority does not extend beyond the limits of the United States government according to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 and Clause 18. It cannot extend into the territorial limits of the United States. We used the Bond case and we used an old 1894 case, Caha v. United States. Any of you that have a computer could get on the Supreme Court Reports and just type that in and do a

search and itll come right up for you and you can read it. Caha lost because Caha had made a contract with the United States governments patent office to acquire landI think it was in Oklahoma, if I remember, or Kansas, I dont recall exactlybut the land that was being sold by the US government under patents in order to recover the money that the United States government had spent in the Louisiana Purchase where all that land from Louisiana clear up through the Mid-west and out into the Northwest, all the way to Oregon and Washington states had been purchased. I really dont recall the history exactly of how much they paid for the Louisiana Purchase but they had to get some of that money back to they sold the land and he made a contract and then he lied on an affidavit and then he tried to say that the United States didnt have jurisdiction to prosecute him for perjury against the United States laws for perjury and he lost. But in that case the court said that normally the United States government does not have an jurisdiction within the territorial limits of a state. But in this case it does simply because he contracted with them. Does that help you to understand what Howards been teaching for years? Dont contract with the government, why we named our operation Gemini Investments. Weve been teaching for years that we think the government is a wonderful institution. I have never been anti-government in my life but I just think that as far as being an investment councilor that Im counseling you to realize that the government is a bad investment. Do not do business with them. He did and he screwed up and he got himself in trouble. But the court said that the general authority of the United States is limited to D.C. {Duplicitous Creeps?} and the other places that they have authority over under the Constitution. That was in 1894. Then they turned around and basically said the same thing in the Bond case. Now, this is exactly what Dave Donovan has put together in his petition for a Writ of Certiorari to the Supreme Court related to this particular case. It has been docketed but set for the October term so probably wont hear anything on this before January, February or March of 2013 if the government still has enough money to keep itself going by then. That I wouldnt presently guarantee you that they will. But anyway, as a matter of fact, Ill almost guarantee you that theyre going to suffer a monetary collapse before then. But anyway, because part of the rules of procedure of the Supreme Court is that the court clerk first reviews all these petitions for certiorari and he reviews them for form and if they dont fit the rules of form he throws them out. Thats his authority. It has nothing to do with your question that youre asking. It has to do with proper form and if it doesnt meet the rules of form the court clerk throws it out. If he determines that it meets the rules of form then a copy of the petition is sent to 4 of the judges, the procedure rules say. And those four judges look it over and discuss it among themselves and determine whether they will accept it for a hearing. Well, that was all done between the 3rd and the 12th of April of this year that the four judges read this over. Now, if we havent done anything else that might be any good related to this Healthcare Bill we have refreshed the memory of these judges of what they did in the Bond case, what they said. Theyre going to hear this, this Healthcare Bill case because it was docketed on the October term of 2011 which runs into supposedly this time of the year unless they run over for whatever cases were docketed for that particular term. So theyre going to hear this Healthcare thing this year. Theyre hearing it now. But at least four of the judges have just been reminded that the jurisdictional authority of the United States does not extend into the territorial limits of the states and they cannot enforce a health care bill or any other stupid law that they make outside of the District of Columbia or all forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards and other needful buildings. Thats the limit of their authority and we have

refreshed their memory with what weve done. If nothing else comes of Daves case which I seriously doubt will happen unless, of course, there is a monetary collapse before they get it done. We have created a thought in the minds of these justices of what theyve already ruled on in the past and that would apply to the Healthcare Bill. So, they will probably strike this Healthcare Bill down for the very same reason despite the fact that the idiot lawyers probably never brought this argument up. I think the only reason why Mr. Donovans case was accepted was because we were on point. We brought the issue that has never really thoroughly been brought before by lawyers. They dont want to bring this issue. They dont want the US government restricted. They want people to believe that the US government has all kinds of power and authority to tell anybody and everybody what to do. But they dont. There is one problem with this idea though and that is we foolish American people probably including these lawyers who had a law school education and were taught to cooperate with the system and have a social security number just like the rest of us stupid Americans that didnt work for government but thats a contract. That ties you in just as Mr. Caha was tied in because he had made a contract. Now, based on that problem, if they dont consider this contract to be improper because of the arguments that these lawyers put in which might be the best part of what the lawyers put in, in their arguments that this Healthcare Bill is not proper no matter whether theres a contract or not not proper. That part, they might have done good (well) for us on. Then the court could rule that the Healthcare Bill is unconstitutional because governments authority does not extend to the people in the territorial limits of the states. It does not extend beyond D.C. and, of course, one thing that was left out of here was territories that they acquire which covers Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the American Samoas, that theyve acquired. But then again, it doesnt give them that authority here in the Constitution even to acquire such things as territories. That could probably be struck down too if somebody brought the right argument of their limited authority that they can control Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the American Samoas. But thats up to those people. I dont live there. Most of you people dont live there. Anybody thats listening that does live there might think about that. But this should bring a lot of thought to the mind of these judges who probably do have social security numbers and are eligible for Medicare and some of them reaching upper years of age that they might come under this category of being determined by some death squad that they are to be deprived of any medical aid. You know what I think will end up, back in colonial times and the settlement of the West times there were doctors and they probably were a lot better doctors than we have today because they werent drug pushers {Those old doctors bled George Washington to death. Ask Martha what she thought of old doctors. }. They actually used herbs and natural things, {containing} minerals and vitamins, things that the medical profession knew in those days to be natural for the body. And they would treat a person in exchange for one or two chickens because that gave them a couple dinners. We may come back to that, some type of barter with the doctors in the hospitals because the doctors in the hospitals are not going to be able to make enough money to sustain the outrageously high expense of running medical services1 when they cant get all this money out of Medicare and insurances because the persons too old. {The old doctors would bleed (red) you but the modern doctors bleed you too (green), just a bit of a different procedure. Does this make you a pale horse??} You take 10% of the overall income of any business away from them and theres very little left if any profit. Most businesses operate on a 10% profit. Right now, the

medical profession is making less than 6% profit because of the outrageous laws, rules and regulations that they have to meet in order to follow the medical professions edicts. Theyre not doing good at all. You might think that their prices are outrageously high but you have no idea how high their expenses are. I do because Im involved in several medical functions and the expenses are unbelievable. The rules are just outrageous with everything they have to follow. {Theyre better off with chickens.} Theyre not making big profits out of these outrageous prices that theyre getting. Take a little more away from them and itll fold them up and that will turn the doctors loose to perhaps go back to some of the old ways of actually using the right things for peoples bodies and trading their service for some type of barter, a couple of chickens or whatever you can give them, a fistful of carrots if you grew carrots, a sack of potatoes, whatever you can come up with, a couple of boards that you dont need for something that they might need to build a chicken cage, whatever. We have a very good possibility of ending up back in that old bartering system concept {Check out present day Greece} of getting by in life. Anyway, getting back to Daves case, remember what I told you about if I use you for being an idiot and you didnt respond? Because the United States government has waived their right to file a rebuttal brief against his Writ of Certiorari petition they have failed to rebut and argue back which means they knew from the beginning they didnt have any leg to stand on. And because theyre not rebutting the Supreme Court will have to rule on nothing more than what Mr. Donovan has put in and they have already declared exactly what he put in, in at least the two cases that we cited and perhaps theres other onesI dont know. We may not have researched far enough. There might have been other things where they cited this but Ive not found any of them. But they may. They may dig them out themselves and put them in their decision along with the Caha case and the Bond case. I am sure that Mr. Donovans going to beat them and Im almost sure that because his petition that has been looked at by the judges has refreshed their memory that this will be much on their minds as they get into final review of this Healthcare Bill. Be interesting to see what comes. Another thing that weve noticedI was helping people with mortgage foreclosure actions using the Fair Debt Collection Practice Act laws way back from the early nineties all the way up through the nineties and we were holding them up. They didnt know how to get around us real easily but they finally used the rules of court to get around these people because most people dont understand the rules of court, cant properly put things into the court and plead them correctly and present them timely and every time somebody would make a mistake they used that mistake of the rules to beat them even though we had proven that the banks had not followed the Truth in Lending laws. They were ignoring us. We even, back then, used discovery to ask for them to produce all of the transactions that went on in the bank. Where did the money come from? What bank account did it come out? Whose money was it? How did it get transferred into the account that it was paid to the seller? And the judges refused to make the banks produce this. Here in recent years there is a big change in the attitude of the judges related to these kinds of things. They are forcing the banks to prove that their assignment was correctly done. They are forcing the banks to present the transaction reports within the bank to show where the money came from. They are forcing the banks to prove that they did follow the laws of the state and the federal government laws because the banks, most of them, are all FDICA banks. That means theyre under federal regulations. Theyre actually an agency of the United States government. So they do have the authority to regulate the banks and if

you look up their laws youll find out the banks are not following their laws and it sounds like there are three different cases here that Dave has brought up tonight that shows that the courts are leaning more toward the individual and away from the banks and actually looking at the law and paying attention to it. I see that this is going on in a lot of areas, not just in foreclosures. I thinknow, this is just my thoughtsbut I think even if the politicians havent recognized it, at least the judges are beginning to recognize that the population is getting upset with government. Theyre losing faith in the government and the judges are realizing we better straighten some of this out to prevent the loss of faith otherwise there is going to be some kind of a rebellion against government. Now, whether what theyre doing is too little, too late or going to be effective I couldnt tell you that because theres a lot of rhetoric, Ill call it, out on the internet about different things that are going on like what Dave keeps reading about this guy, Drake. I think he has very nice nightmares. But I think theyre nightmares. The likelihood that theres going to be a smooth transaction away from the present money system and over to a value-backed money system again is slim to none in my opinion. Thieves like these people that have stolen everything we got do not give back what they stole until theyre either threatened with death or prosecuted and threatened with long jail terms. Well, the system isnt going to prosecute themyouve seen that. Theyre not arresting anybody. {There are reports that banker types are being arrested in somewhat large numbers at this time.} Once in a great while theyve come up with something. They just throw somebody under the bus but they dont go after the big stuff, the big guys. There are not going to be any prosecutions threatening these people. The only other threat is going to be the American people getting so angry they take up guns and go after government and banks. That would be a serious threat of their lives and fortunately the police are waking up. The military is waking up. Both of those organizations are reluctant to take the side of government and protect government which is really the only job they have. Thats all the police are there for. The police are nothing more than Wal-Mart Security guards. Wal-Mart Security guards are there to guard Wal-Marts properties. Thats the only authority they have. That is no different whatsoever than the authority of the State Police to protect the property of the states that actually belongs to the states. The county police to protect the property of the county, thats the only authority that they have. They dont have the authority that people think they have. They cant come out here and bring claims against you other than, as Ive explained many times, government has a duty to maintain the peace, to protect each of us from one another. If there is a complaint that someone has perpetrated a crime of robbery, rape, murder or assault and battery government has a duty to prosecute any and every one of us for such a complaint because they must maintain the peace and protect the rest of us from such an individual who would do such a criminal act. Other than that the police have no authority whatsoever. The roads do not belong to the states. They cannot protect the roads. All they can do is maintain the traffic. If theres an accident theyre supposed to direct traffic around the accident. Thats all the hell theyre supposed to be there for. Theyre beginning to learn that the governments gone too far and theyre beginning to realize that theyre not now. What Im hearing is 75% of them are realizing that theyre not going to support the state on both the police and the military. That means 25% of them are still little morons thatll do what theyre told and, of course, you realize that theyre outnumbered three to one by the good guys so the bad guys wont get very far past their own people. I dont think therell be a tremendous amount of violence and Ive been

warning the police as much as I can lately that the people are getting angry with lawyers and someday theyre going to attack and kill the lawyers and if the police get in the way theyll kill the police on the way to kill the lawyers so stay the hell out of the way, you stupid fools. Ive been getting strange reactions to that. We dont give a shit about the lawyers. That means some of the police are starting to wake up. Theyve been there and seen what lawyers do in courts. They know that this thing is a mess. So, theyre starting to wake up pretty well. Theyll be some interesting times in this country if it goes much further but if the Supreme Court will just rule against this Healthcare Bill it will restore some faith in government that they cant do these things and get away with them. If some people will take some state cases to courtId love to see somebody take this federal mandate to the states that they must make laws prohibiting smokingthats a federal mandate. The states cant enforce a federal mandate anywhere except in state government buildings. They cant tell a restaurant which is a privately owned business that people cant smoke in a restaurant but theyve done it. Some smokers should take that to court. I dont care whether you think smoking is a good thing or a bad thing. I disagree with any of the medical morons in their bull crap about smoking because if you go look into tobacco and what it does for the body its an herb and it stimulates the mind energy and expands the thinking capacity which makes you smarter. A non-smoking area is a area full of stupid people that havent got enough smarts to think for themselves but thats always up to controversy depending on your personal opinion even though its not based on anything factual. Id still like to see somebody take the states to task for enforcing a federal mandate in the private areas inside the territorial limits of the states. [Dave] Especially since they do not have any substantive regulations to enforce.

[Howard] They dont have substantive regulations to enforce it anywhere except as youve explained so many times, internal regulations because thats the limited authority of government. They cant have substantive regulations to enforce any of this stuff other than robbery, rape, assault and battery. Thats the only thing they can have a substantive regulation to enforcethats allnothing else. Thats why they have internal regulations and internal directives for their internal operations within government. Like I said, I dont care if they want a bunch of brain dead idiots that cant think because they cant stimulate the brain energy with cigarette smoke. Thats fine. Government is a fine institution. Let it be there, leave it alone, dont bother it, just dont do business with it. Its a bad investment. One of the things I was going to talk about but I realized that once Dave brought up some of those e-mails and how they so specifically related to Dave Donovans case and I decided to talk mostly about that. I was going to talk about Lucas v. South Carolina which is a private property case and it is based on regulatory interference with ones private property. But thats exactly what Dave Donovans case is, its regulatory law, regulations of the federal government that are depriving him of the use of his private property. He has a fabulous case for taking of his private property for public use without just compensation through the implantation of a regulation which will immediately follow this Supreme Court decision for millions of dollars. Now, Im telling you, the governments are broke. Their money systems worldwide are collapsing. Every country in the world has got monetary problems including this one and all the states in this one have monetary problems. The counties and cities and towns have monetary problems. They cant pay their bills. But

thats nothing usual being that you and I can hardly pay our bills if we can. I, for the first time in my life am worried about keeping things going. The usual funds that I have in here to support the business activities are not coming in because the businesses are falling apart. I cant keep things going. Weve been shutting things down right and left. Big businesses were shutting down right and left. Medical offices were shutting own. We shut down three out of five of them across the country, different ones that Im involved with. Theyre not making money. They cant keep going. Im not sure how long I can keep any of this stuff going. Theres very little money coming in as far as donations to support this work and if that continues I dont have the money coming in to make up for what doesnt come in, in donations. I used to but I dont any more. So its going to curtail some of this work if I cant find some source to generate something. Im worried for the first time in my life. I have never before because I had my hands in so many different activities and so many things going on. A dollar came from here. A dollar came from there. Always had money flowing. I never had to worry because I knew it was coming from somewhere. Whatever I needed was going to be there to cover all the expenses for each of the businesses and me. Well, Im not sure now where in the hell its coming from. Things are getting terrible even for me. Very, very poor outlook right now on all business and Im not crying to you and asking you for any more donations because I know youre hurting just as bad as anybody else. Im telling you this whole thing is a mess and is going to end up in a tragic and for everybody including the governments, including us and we better be preparing. One of the e-mails that Dave mentioned tonight was about the Healthcare Bill and telling people to stay healthy. Well, there are ways to learn about staying healthy. If you dont know the phone number for our Monday night health and water call me and well give you the number. Well tell you what its all about, explain it to you. There is a lot of important information about maintaining the body and keeping the balance of energies in the body at a balanced state so that your health stays good and overcoming some of the toxic foolish stuff thats in our food supply and in our medications that you may be taking which you may not be able to have in the near future but you need to know what to do to take care of the ailment in the correct way that those medicines are supposedly helping you with and not really correcting the problems. You might tune in on this Monday night health and water call and learn something about how to take care of yourself and its very simple and its not going to cost you much and its easy to do. Its not rocket science at all actually. Believe it or not its Biblical. It comes right out of the knowledge that was conveyed in the Bible which very few people know or understand because, first of all, they dont read it, they listen to a preacher and believe what he says. And when they do read it they cant understand a lot of the words and what they mean because they never looked up the words. But anyway, were going to have to take care of ourselves and we need some of this knowledge. That would behoove you to tune in. I dont care if you dont like what I say. You still ought to tune in and learn because theres a lot of good points in here that will show that weve been misled and lied to by religion, by government and by news media and by education systems. Even you dont like hearing that its still going to help you to learn these little details about how to take care of yourself and that day is coming and you better know these things if you intend to survive. If not, then you can be among the military personnel that are committing suicide. Thats, Im afraid, going to be a big problem. I dont know where were going to find the energy and the time to bury all the bodies that will be laying around from suicidespeople who are so stupid, so brainless that they will not be

able to figure out how to get by and theyll just kill themselves as this gets worse. Somebody said something to me last night. I think it was Pastor Massad on that truthradio.com program. Along with him he said something about gasolines probably going to go up to $10 a gallon. I said, ten dollars a gallon. Maybe you dont understand what happened in Germany with the German mark back in the forties. But in the morning you could buy a loaf of bread for two marks and the mark actually inflated so much in the course of one day that later that afternoon it took a wheelbarrow load of marks to buy a loaf of bread. You wont be able to buy a gallon of gasoline with $100, maybe not even $1000. Thats how bad the inflation will get. [Dave] Not to interrupt you, Howard, but the cost of living, the gas prices have just hit $7 a gallon in Catalina Island, California. Home utility costs are up 30% and climbing and food is up 15%. This is one of the e-mails I did not get to read. Ill just interject it, its real timely. You mentioned Youre not waiting for it to get $5 a gallon, its already $7 in California. [Howard] Well, its $3.83, I think, here where I am. So scattered around the country there are different prices and some places are absolutely gouging people. I think down in Florida its up around $5 a gallon now and theres a few other places around the country where its up to $5 and theres no justification whatsoever for putting a price of $5 a gallon on it when its selling for $3.76 in one gas station here and $3.83 in another gas station. Theres not even a justification for that. Its really out of control and going to get further out of control. The stock market was up 116 points today. Those kinds of erratic changes are not a good sign. A week ago it was down 213 points, a week or so ago. Those erratic jumps up and down are a sign of complete loss of control of everything. If you go back and look at the history, 1927, 1928 and into 1929 the history shows that thats what the market did, erratic jumps like that and then in 1929 it crashed to the bottom. Well, we havent gotten to that crash to the bottom yet but dont think that it cant happen because it very likely can. Next week were going to talk about this Lucas v. South Carolina case and private property rights and how the government doesnt haveand this was state government that did not have authority to tell Mr. Lucas what he could do with his private property and rebuild his house that it was destroyed in a hurricane because he didnt ask them for a permit. Again, a perfect example of what weve been teaching. Dont make contracts with the government. Don ask the government for information for anything. Cancel all contracts where you have done such a thing. They dont have authority and thats exactly what the Supreme Court said. The US Supreme Court heard that case and decided that it was right for a decision simply because from the beginning his argument showed that he never asked them for a permit, the same as Dave Donovan never asked them for a permit. I dont know how much proof we need to get to the people to show them that what weve been teaching is right. Dont make contracts. Ignore them. Learn to be as arrogant as they are. Tell them that they are scum and you dont do business with scum. Stop being so religiously sweet and nice. You do that to your wife and your husband and your children and your neighbors and your people at church and everybody else you deal with that are decent nice people but when you come up against scum let them know that you know that theyre scum. You got to learn not to always live the same way because youre not living in an always the same

environment. There are nice people. There are wonderful in this country and we should treat them nice and get along with them well and be good to them but there are scum in this country and you should let them know that you know that theyre scum and that youre not going to do business with them. Theres an old expression that athe lawyers created this expressiona person that represents himself in court has an idiot for a lawyer. Representing yourself youre an idiot for a lawyer. Well, the fact is the person who hires a lawyer has an idiot to represent him and proves that he is nothing but a fool as a client because he hired a lawyer. The lawyers are not on your side. Theyre not there to protect you. Theyre there to protect the interest of the government and the interest of the BAR Association and the interest of the control of the ignorant masses. Well, we got to stop being the ignorant masses and start doing a little bit of reading of what the law says and learn not to be so ignorant and beat them and we can do it. Dave Donovans done it. Dave Donovan is just an average guy. Hes not a super intelligent person. Hes not a stupid person because none of us really are. Were not even one of those things. Were not super intelligent. Were not really totally stupid. We have a brain and we are capable of using it and I think the biggest problem we have is were too lazy in a lot of cases to use it. If we would give up that laziness and apply ourselves like Mr. Donovan did and stand on our principles and stick to it, it would end up in a situation like Mr. Donovan did. They will back off eventually. Well, finally all the way to the Supreme Court they backed off theyre not going to argue with him anymore. Took a long time. It was not an easy road. He is what you call a pioneer. Hes breaking new trails. Ill bet you if you show that you understand as he did that when you dont contract with them that they dont have any authority, that they will back off a lot quicker now because they wasted an awful lot of money trying to force him to cooperate with them and werent successful.

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